
Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony
Worshipping the Temple of Doom
My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.
Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change. I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion. I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.
Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes). They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter. So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.
My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions. It is easy to speak of a planet in peril. It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.
Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual. Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy. They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements. Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.
Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom. It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren. Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach? Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol. It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals. Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions. Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.
Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped? The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer. Not a single Congressperson has read it. They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests. By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.
The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”. If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do. People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon. It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!
It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels. Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade. Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.
The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control. The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground. A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.
A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet. Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects. Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.
What is it that does not compute here? Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society? I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one. It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington. Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing. You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.
I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.
Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era. There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting. Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.
But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price. Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver. The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.
648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee. It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time. It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry. Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).
As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).
A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis. With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax. So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel? Nobody wants to pay more taxes. They prefer to have the money for other things. As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.
Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people? Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”? Naw. Roosevelt and Churchill are dead. So is Kennedy.
Jim
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Hansen writes like an adolescent.
Ron de Haan:
Don’t worry…the last great minimum, the Maunder, when at its end, caused the French Revolution, this one (Landscheidt or Jose’s), on its beginning, back in 1989, the fall of the Berlin’s Wall, so what is next?. It seems that this issue of “barycentric irregular motions” affect some not so poised people, as this JH…so let’s wait and see :)LOL
For all the American subscribers and contributors – could you tell me what the price is of a gallon of unleaded fuel in the UK (in US$) – given that we have a different tax regime here over the pond already?
bill (11:25:29) : “The problem here is that there can be no proof EITHER way for the reasons in my earlier post.
Proof would be great if it were possible.”
AGW has been disproved several times over by tropical troposphere temperatures, surface temperatures, ocean temperatures, water vapour and cloud behaviour, etc, etc.
E.M.Smith (11:53:51)
Great post.
Jeff L (13:05:35) : “Clearly you have no geologic knowledge of this play [the Bakken Oil Shale]. As a geologist who has extensive knowledge of this play, I will tell that this statement (“with the Bakken Oil Shale the US has at least 41 years of oil”) couldn’t be further from the truth – at any oil price”
http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/SPE%20Gulf%20Coast.pdf
“– On April 8, 2008 USGS estimated that Bakken technically recoverable oil is 3.0 –4.0 billion barrels, with a mean of 3.65 billion.
– The Bakken Shale is a thin bed of oil in extremely tight rocks quite deep in the earth.
– Great Bakken wells produce between 300 –500 B/D.
– 40 –50% of well’s oil is produced in first year.
– To create one million barrels per day of Bakken oil would mean 2,900 wells would need to be drilled each year.”
1m bpd is I believe about 5% of current US oil consumption.
Just as every phenomenon discussed in climate science seems to be a cyclical thing, human folly seems also to follow the gyres of planetary and solar behaviour. Forty years ago, environmental hysterics – some of whom now carry the AGW flag and some of whom are clones of the earlier cycles, battled to a successful conclusion the banning of nuclear energy. I lay at their feet the smog, acid rain, lead, mercury, etc. and AGW if it were to actually prove to have any validity, as their legacy. They were grossly wrong and many have sheepishly admitted they are now pro atom. 20 times more people die each year in a Chinese coal mine than ever did because of nuclear energy…etc. etc. I guess we will have to wait another 40 years to look back on the horrible unintended consequences of the AGW fallout. But then, there will be another hysterical crowd… and we seem to be getting weaker… Hansen is right that there are no Churchill’s Roosevelts or Kennedies running the show anywhere. They wouldn’t have put up with this craziness. At least we understand perfectly the 40 year cycle of human folly – that is the working life of those who can cause all this pain.
I wasn’t sure by the way it was written, but now I see that Hansen wants to tax all CO2 emission at the rate of $115/ton CO2. He put it as the equivelent of $1/gal of gas but of course it doesn’t just include gasoline, otherwise it would only raise about $150B annually instead of $670B.
Of course he also refers to it as a “fee” and not a “tax”. I wonder if he plans to charge a fee for breathing?
Jeff L (13:05:35) :
“Clearly you have no geologic knowledge of this play. As a geologist who has extensive knowledge of this play, I will tell that this statement couldn’t be further from the truth – at any oil price”
Hopefully you’re working for XTO and helping them avoid a catastrophic business decision.
By the way, I am in the patch, although not a geologist, just a physicist.
Bill Illis (11:57:58) :
… my speciality – presenting the actual evidence on these things. I don’t care what it shows. I just want the facts instead of rhetoric and exageration.
Bill I did the same plots a few days ago (you may have seen them):
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3140/tempvsco2logfit.jpg
This shows a CO2 doubling temp increas of about 2degC
The same data plotted against time showing CO2 and T vs time
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/81/hadcrut3vsco2timeseries.jpg
Why do you put such faith in Geocarb 3 modelling – is this more reliable than climate modelling?
I am reasonably convinced of AGW, but all I require is some well researched proof that it is not happening and I will be swayed. But all any anti AGWs say is for me to prove my point of view – not at all helpful.
Ron de Haan (13:25:33) : Quotes my Ira (08:52:47) posting and asks: “Ira,
You are joking, right?”
What makes you think I am joking Ron? If you follow the links you will see I am totally serious. You, of course, are free to disagree with a fact-based argument. However, the esssence of courtesy is to assume others are sincere unless there is clear evidence otherwise. I assume you are sincere in thinking I am joking, which is why I ask, on what basis did you come to that conclusion?
The Wall Street Journal and opinion leaders across the political spectrum are not joking when they support a Carbon Tax. We all may be wrong, but not because we are joking.
Mark T (10:37:52) : Cites my Ira 08:52:47 and writes: “No need to quote what you’ve said, but your comment is incorrect in one subtle way. By your own admission, the tax is nothing more than a wealth redistribution. …”
Yes, the Carbon Tax *is* a wealth redistribution, as are nearly all taxes. Most taxes are paid by those of us who produce more than we consume and the great majority of recipients receive more in government services than they produce. Is there something controversial about that?
Regardless of what percentage of global warming is due to human activities (as I said I think it is perhaps 10% and could be swamped out by what we hope will be an “inconvenient” solar minimum) the “zeitgeist”, backed by the current majority party in the White House, Senate and Congress, are hell bent to pass carbon legislation. We can protest and watch that happen, or we can propose an alternative, the revenue-neutral Carbon Tax, applicable to all fossil fuels and charged at the mine, wellhead, or port of entry, making it hard to avoid. Rather than use those revenues for general government projects (i.e., further waste) we could distribute it equally to legal residents of the US with social security cards, which is easy to do. Or, we could set up a complex system of paying it back to those who are most affected by the rise in price of fossil fuels, which is politically loaded and will require an even more bloated government.
The revenue-neutral Carbon Tax will reduce the use of fossil fuels (or at least slow the increase) which may do some good for the environment. Cap & Trade will bloat government and do no good at all for anyone but the bureaucrats and politically-connected fat cats.
Adolfo Giurfa (14:47:15) :
“Ron de Haan:
Don’t worry…the last great minimum, the Maunder, when at its end, caused the French Revolution, this one (Landscheidt or Jose’s), on its beginning, back in 1989, the fall of the Berlin’s Wall, so what is next?. It seems that this issue of “barycentric irregular motions” affect some not so poised people, as this JH…so let’s wait and see :)LOL”
Adolfo, seriously this is not funny any more.
I was just watching how a pro NAZI demonstration was blocked by the authorities.
So I don’t understand how they can allow a congress that questions the very basics of democracy.
I say it’s not the “Skin Head” we have to fear but our deluded scientists and politicians.
People never learn.
PaulHClark (15:05:58) :
For all the American subscribers and contributors – could you tell me what the price is of a gallon of unleaded fuel in the UK (in US$) – given that we have a different tax regime here over the pond already?
1 litre = 0.219969157 Imperial gallons
1 litre = 0.26 US gallons
£1=$1.50344 USD
Petrol is priced at 94p/litre == £3.62/usgallon
£3.62 == $5.44 per US gallon
Die Global Warming, die:
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/05/die-global-warming-die.html
Tax carbon—what a great way to make a lot of money!
If they really want to roll in the cash they could tax electrons next.
While they’re at it, why wait until there is better evidence that strings exist? If the theory is right there are more strings than both carbon and electrons put together—just start the tax now!
“I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.”
I know something too, Dr Hansen: There are no viable energy alternatives in place or even sufficiently developed to make the radical changes you desire. And you certainly don’t put the federal government in the drivers seat as to determine which system at current levels of techonolgical maturity is chosen. The consumer does.
Solar and wind power can’t meet the expected rise in demand much less provide for the base loads. They are also hideously expensive minus their preferential tax credits.
I do however agree, that cap and trade is “the temple of doom”.
To me this letter indicates the level of confusion that Hansen has between the Scientific Theory of Global Warming and the social issue of Global Warming. He seems to be complaining that governments are treating it as a Social Issue rather than Scientific, while he’s probably the scientist most responsible for making it a Social Issue and not a Science Issue.
I also think he’s astonishingly naive in thinking that any taxation or billing system can approach 100% efficiency.
Gary Pearse (15:16:25) :
Hansen is right that there are no Churchill’s Roosevelts or Kennedies running the show anywhere. They wouldn’t have put up with this craziness
Nah, they’d have made their own craziness, like the Great Depression. Hansen’s heroes were no better than the ones we have today. Maybe if he had said Jefferson, Washington, Smith…
Mark
AndrewG (16:00:48) :
I also think he’s astonishingly naive in thinking that any taxation or billing system can approach 100% efficiency.
It’s also extremely naive to think that any taxation can create jobs.
Mark
Hansen’s email : my rating – somewhere between a tantrum and a screed.
Right about cap ‘n’ trade though.
At what point does Hyperbole become Ridicule?
I think this mann has crossed the tipping point; jumped the shark, death trains ‘n all.
The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.
“”” rickM (15:55:32) :
“I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.”
I know something too, Dr Hansen: There are no viable energy alternatives in place or even sufficiently developed to make the radical changes you desire. And you certainly don’t put the federal government in the drivers seat as to determine which system at current levels of techonolgical maturity is chosen. The consumer does. “””
Too true rickM; as climate “expert” even Dr Hansen ought to know that “renewable green energy” arrives on earth at aboput 1000 Watts per square metre; well I suppose officially according to NOAA it is only 168 W/m^2; in fact according to NOAA you would be better off turning your renewable green energy collector upside down and collecting the earth’s infrared emission energy from which you can get a whole 350 W/m^2, and if you are really clever you can make a two sided renewable green energy collector and grab 350 W/m^2 from the earth surface, plus another 324 W/m^2 “back radiation” coming down from the atmosphere. Then if it also is sensitive to the solar spectrum you would have a grand total of 842 W/m^2 from solar plus long wave infrared.
I’ll leave it as an exercise for energy guru Dr James Hansen to figure out how much of that free energy he can collect.
The sun spent 4.5 billion years or so storing up fossil fuels for us on earth,a nd we have about used them all up; except for the dregs; but Dr Hansen believes we can get by with Gaia’s pitiful rate of supply of new free energy from the sun and the planet itself. And don’t forget, that Nuclear is a no-no; despite those silly Frenchmen and their reactors.
“I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics.”
Really? And what exactly makes you think you know anything about climate either?
Dr. Stadler … I mean Hansen, is really deep in his fantasy.
The cap-and-trade crowd at least attempt to maintain a veneer of a belief in property rights and freedom. He wants to dispense with the whole silly notion and dictate an immediate end to the use of fossil fuels by making them too expensive to use and a switch to clean, renewable, energy sources.
Where will these clean energy sources come from? Somewhere.
Who will develop these clean energy sources? Somebody.
How will we make the change work? Somehow.
Just make everything so expensive that somebody somewhere will figure out something that works to make this fantasy real. And if nobody does so willingly, then what? Put them into camps and order them to think? Come up with solutions to problems of his own making on command?
At the rate this man is going, he’s going to turn Atlas Shrugged into a work of nonfiction.
Bill
“Petrol is priced at 94p/litre == £3.62/usgallon
£3.62 == $5.44 per US gallon”
Before the pound plummeted against the dollar the price was roughly
$7.00 per US gallon.
Seems there is a “new” angle in the debate…..Wonder what is the current state of this particular locale ??
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2139