
Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony
Worshipping the Temple of Doom
My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.
Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change. I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion. I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.
Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes). They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter. So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.
My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions. It is easy to speak of a planet in peril. It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.
Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual. Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy. They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements. Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.
Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom. It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren. Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach? Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol. It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals. Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions. Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.
Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped? The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer. Not a single Congressperson has read it. They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests. By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.
The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”. If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do. People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon. It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!
It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels. Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade. Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.
The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control. The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground. A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.
A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet. Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects. Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.
What is it that does not compute here? Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society? I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one. It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington. Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing. You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.
I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.
Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era. There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting. Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.
But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price. Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver. The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.
648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee. It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time. It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry. Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).
As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).
A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis. With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax. So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel? Nobody wants to pay more taxes. They prefer to have the money for other things. As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.
Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people? Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”? Naw. Roosevelt and Churchill are dead. So is Kennedy.
Jim
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–noun 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.
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1. Hansen
“My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions.”
Let me translate what these Governmental Words mean.
” We don’t actually believe this stuff, but it’s a good way to get more money to spend on getting ourselves re-elected, thus keeping our incomes high, when we’re such a bunch of useless no-hopers, that we’d starve outside of politics”
Hansen’s beginning to sound like the shepherd’s assistance who kept crying “Wolf!” No body’s listening. Soon Hansen’s going to fade into history as just another nut case.
Mike Bryant: Just great! “once your money has crossed that horizon, it is doomed to move inexorably closer and closer to the ’singularity’ at the center of the black hole where moneyspacetime is distorted so much that the coordinates describing your money, space and time becoming hopelessly intermingled and irretrievable.
So, there won’t be any “dividend” back whatsoever.
Oh, BTW, just for once, I agree with Hansen…. jettison the Cap and Trade bill!
Hansen better be careful. The Obama administration is counting on cap & trade to get all the money from those tax cuts back into the treasury where they belong. If people that work for the government start talking bad about cap & trade they could find themselves among the swelling ranks of the unemployed. If he can fire the head honcho of GM, he can certainly let Hansen go.
Thanks for making my point about fanatics there Jimbo!
I also disagree with his assertion of what he knows for sure, it is false because I have seen a Revenue Neutral Carbon Tax not Work as Intended here in BC. So his basic premise is false, just like his AGW premise is false as well. The reason is that these single issue proponents have no concept of the broader economic and demographic changes that affect their position. For someone who seems to think he can understand the entire climate system he has no grasp on the reality in which he actually lives economically and socially.
More taxes in any form aren’t needed. I hope all of you will follow the link posted above (http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/05/miklos-zagoni-explains-miskolczis.html – for those who didn’t see it. You’ll understand why.
Very inspirational that 1988 dire warning prediction session in Congress.
So just 10years later; having failed to correctly predict the outcome of those ten years of dire predictions; we can state based on the observational evidence that not only does Dr Hansen not know anything about economics, but he also doesn’t know anything about climate either. Well to be pedantic, I should say he didn’t in 1988; for that was when he issued the failed predictions.
Well Climate and economics are about on the same level as “scientific” diciplines, so not too surprising he could be wrong on both.
We can now add to those ignorances that clearly Dr Hansen also knows nothing aboutbehavioral Psychology.
In his letter he now proceeds to lecture us on what “the people” will do in response to his punitive carbon taxation.
That is akin to an articulated hook and ladder fire truck with a driver at each end, and another four drivers each taking care of the driving of one wheel. Well given the articulation you probably need at least eight wheel drivers; and of course none of these drivers is in communication with any of the others.
Give it up Dr Hansen; even you can’t predict what “the people” will do in response to whatever President Obama proclaimed in this morning’s major Press Conference. It is a new day, so I presume he has already had at least one news conference this morning. So how can you predict what they will do in response to legislation that absolutely nobody in the entire elected US Government has ever read.
The “Law of UNintended Consequences” was proclaimed in response to the quaint behavior of “the people” reacting to government regulations and legislation.
A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis.
Key word there… IF. The problem is it can’t. In order to bring in the revenue and distribute it back, there will be costs, lots and lots of costs. The cost to collect, the cost to distribute, the cost to enforce, the cost to administer, etc., etc.
The money is not collected and redistributed by the energy tax fairy.
This guy is down-right vindictive! He’s the Joe McCarthy of climate change.
Obviously he hates everyone on the planet who works for a living…And he has a special hatred for anyone who has been more financially successful than he has.
He must take home a pretty good salary from NASA…And all of those Soros and Heinz Foundation grants…
I used to think Hansen was just incompetent…Now I’m becoming convinced that he’s actually evil.
I think his motives have strayed from mitigating climate change and morphed into a vendetta against private industry.
Wow! – Is Secretary Clinton aware of Doctor Hansen’s foreign policy initiative/actions?
“Human population growth is a root cause of the stress that humanity is placing upon the global environment and upon the other species sharing our planet’s resources. A deliberate policy of population growth is inconsistent with preservation of climate and nature.” Hansen, May 4, 2009, Letter.
Doctor Hansen seems to be trying to “connect dots” for some very scary policy.
Obama delivered on a campaign promise. He promised in last summers acceptance speech the this was the time that the ice would stop melting. He’s been President for only 4 months. Based on the Sea Ice Extent chart in the sidebar, the ice has stopped melting. What a guy!
Bill Illis (06:50:33) :
On the other hand, a strong belief that cannot be proven is sometimes a dangerous thing. …. We need more evidence and less words
But where will this evidence come from.
You do not believe models
You do not believe temperature reconstructions
You do not believe recorded temperature
Proxies are poxy.
Glaciers – unbelievable
CO2 does no harm
Can you suggest a way of conclusively proving AGW/GW or no problem. Waiting 25 years is not an option, is it?
This is the end result of having to prove “malice” in order to sue a government employee. It does not matter how wrong, or incompetent they are, as long as they “meant well”. It does not matter who is injured or dies. Hansen does not have to verify anything, he does not have to show due diligence, and he can violate every scientific principle. He can hide government sponsored methods and data. He is immune from any resulting damages.
“What is it that does not compute here? Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society?”
My response: It is your models that do not compute, sir, The public increasingly recognizes this and rejects your schemes as those of a charlatan.
By the way, I read the final paragraph, in which Hansen calls for a ‘great communicator,’ as more of a slap at Gore than at Obama. Gore is set to make hundreds of millions from cap and trade. (So is Pickens, of course.)
Hyperbolic language aside, this letter reads like the writing of a man who sees the goal, once so close to victory, is now slipping away.
Ira,
How can something revenue neurtral (not to the govt but to people) stimulate the economy? $1 per gallon tax means we pay more for gasoline and everything else (electricity, food, etc.). The company pays the tax, yes, but are they going to eat the shortage? No – they’re going to passs the costs onto us. After we pay more for it, we get a ‘distribution’ after all of the government’s administrative costs are met. No thanks.
Mike Bryant (08:22:39)
Mike, I think that you are absolutely correct, but here are some details about where the money actually goes:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47977
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_should_the_government
Cap and trade is an absolute disaster of an idea that will be almost as tough to get rid of as our busted social insecurity system. He is right on that. Reading the rest it appears it may be the broken clock righ twice a day tyoe of thing for him.
I don’t think I am going to be able to take any of the dire consequence ideas seriously until the anti climate change folks become rabidly pro nuclear power. Until then it is obvious they aren’t serious.
Ira (08:52:47) :
No need to quote what you’ve said, but your comment is incorrect in one subtle way. By your own admission, the tax is nothing more than a wealth redistribution. Since the dividend would be taken from one portion of the economy and given to another, it cannot benefit the aggregate economy in any meaningful way (as such, neither can any of these government bailouts we are currently witnessing).
Mark
Warmer Is Better.
So is freedom from overweening government command and control. We should try slashing our current taxes-on-everything and force a much diminished government to live on a balanced budget.
Let’s solve the problem we know exists — out-of-control government excess — and cease and desist trying to “solve” imaginary hoax problems.
Warmer Is Better. And if Hansen’s models are right (ha ha), then Warmer Is Free!!!!!
Now if we could only find a way to make government free, most of the world’s problems would disappear like sunspots in our New Millennium Minimum.
For those enamored with taxation and revenues, the soundest basis, that should be agreeable to everyone, is Ross McKitrick’s Tropical Tropospheric Temperature Tax or “T3 Tax”
Ross McKitrick March 2009 Presentation “Calling the Cap & Trade Bluff” Heartland Institute 2nd International Conference on Climate Change, New York City March 2009
On his web site McKitrick states:
* McKitrick, Ross R. (2008) “A Simple State-Contingent Pricing Rule for Complex Intertemporal Externalities.” SSRN No. 1154157
See Tropical Troposphere by Steve McIntyre on April 26th, 2008
McKitrick at 118 notes
Bill Illis @ur momisugly 6:50:”…if his belief is so strong after all this time, then perhaps he is right.”
No, Bill, that’s the worst sort of post-modernism claptrap. Belief is in no way indicative of being correct. Remember Mark Twain’s adage that the problem is not that people are ignorant;it’s that their heads are filled with stuff that just ain’t so.
I calculate we are paying $1000/ton CO2 in the UK for our fuel. So how does cap and trade work here. The price of fuel is already very high.
However our government of national incompetence led by the one eyed scottish idiot have already bankrupted our economy, so these points are largely acedemic.
bill (10:00:19) :
Can you suggest a way of conclusively proving AGW/GW or no problem. Waiting 25 years is not an option, is it?
Dr. Hansen has repeated the mantra that we don’t have time to wait ever since 1981. But it’s been 27+ years and his predictions have failed with amazingly consistency. Rather than beggar the public, how about we wait for incontestable satellite proof? At least historical satellite data doesn’t keep changing.