
Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony
Worshipping the Temple of Doom
My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.
Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change. I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion. I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.
Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes). They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter. So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.
My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions. It is easy to speak of a planet in peril. It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.
Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual. Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy. They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements. Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.
Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom. It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren. Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach? Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol. It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals. Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions. Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.
Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped? The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer. Not a single Congressperson has read it. They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests. By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.
The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”. If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do. People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon. It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!
It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels. Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade. Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.
The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control. The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground. A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.
A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet. Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects. Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.
What is it that does not compute here? Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society? I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one. It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington. Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing. You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.
I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.
Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era. There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting. Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.
But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price. Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver. The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.
648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee. It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time. It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry. Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).
As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).
A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis. With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax. So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel? Nobody wants to pay more taxes. They prefer to have the money for other things. As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.
Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people? Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”? Naw. Roosevelt and Churchill are dead. So is Kennedy.
Jim
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Hanson is right and wrong.
He is right about cap & Trade which would cost the average US family $ 6.400 a year according to this report: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/625/Report-Carbon-trading-estimated-to-cost-each-US-Family-6400-per-year
He is wrong because his alternative concept would turn the US into a Fascist State.
He is double wrong because all his scaremongering serves a non existing hoax:
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/05/ocean-heat-agw-climate-models-v-reality.html
and we can pump as much Anthropogenic CO2 into the atmosphere without any warming penalty: http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/05/miklos-zagoni-explains-miskolczis.html
Plus all the other arguments presented at WUWT.
AGW = DEAD
“Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.”
I think he meant “simply Gored their goals.”
As to Hansen and credibility. If James Hansen wore a clown suit, spoke througha kazoo, and danced on a table, he would have no less credibility. But he would be more entertaining.
For Hansen to lose credibility, he would first have to have some.
Hansen is a cynical liar, who seeks to deprive people of their civil liberties, who has abused his office, over stayed his time on the public stage, has manipulated his peers, misled the public, and is responsible for a multi-billion fraud called AGW.
None of his arrogant, chatty, deceptive letters can change this.
Poor guy, he still believes that big government can be trusted with our money. Any monies collected by any government passes an event horizon from which nothing escapes. In fact, once your money has crossed that horizon, it is doomed to move inexorably closer and closer to the ‘singularity’ at the center of the black hole where moneyspacetime is distorted so much that the coordinates describing your money, space and time becoming hopelessly intermingled and irretrievable.
Here in the UK we have been living with high levels of fuel tax for decades; currently equivalent to about $5.30 of tax per gallon. Has this made any difference to the level of demand ? No, and this simply illustrates that fuel price is inelastic so that a dollar here or there will make no impact on demand. The energy density of oil is so far beyond that of any reasonable alternative that economic stimuli directed at pushing demand from one commodity to another would require truly dracononian levels of taxation. And what would happen to all this revenue? ; the UK has little to show for the huge sums raised other than record breaking budget deficits.
Found a recent article on the subject matter (re: carbon taxes and the chemical industry):
aqes.cee.uiuc.edu/cee546/CEE546/Handouts/article2.pdf
The short answer is that there is no simple answer on the matter. At least I’m not the only one who has thought through the implications.
Someday this man may find a biographer who can show the tragic arc of his life. Scary.
It’s funny when the true greenies get the picture that politicians are just using them. What did Hansen expect? Is he that Naive?
But…. It’s for the children and the grandchildren, Whaaaaaa!!!!
John Boy
He’s been studying climate for 30 years. He must have been deluded by all the science, err wait, let me put that in a way it will be understood here, ’science.’
Nah, he’s been playing with Models for at least 30 years, not doing or understanding Science, instead trying to achieve personal:
– money
– love
– and power
– and probably some sense of personal significance for his otherwise self-viewed and “sickness unto death”-feared ultimate insignificance within the Universe.
In other words, Hansen’s got a bad case of Possession Obsession, not just a “taste” of Possession Obsession. – Hall and Oates, Possession Obsession
I don’t see why we should all have to sacrifice our fossil fuel based wellbeing, and, yes, even the wellbeing and lives of other people and those not yet born merely to subserve Hansen’s personal derangements, given that Hansen’s alleged cure to his alleged disease is worse than the disease and will most certainly produce effects rivalling those which Hansen disasterizes as a result of his neurotically derived “disease”.
Imo, Hansen is a Deathworshipper. Others must suffer and die in order to validate Hansen’s “values” – the obsessive cleansing of the atmosphere of fossil fuel CO2.
Sound familiar?
Maurizio Morabito (07:52:41) :
McKitrick’s idea is good on the surface but it would incent world governments seeking ever more power to distort temperature records.
I found his letter a very interesting read.
He comes across to me as a committed environmentalist who wants the US to stop using fossil fuels and…. that is it.
Russ R. (07:45:14) :
There are energy costs is all products, and if the costs of those products go up, which they will, people will buy less of them.
None of the alarmists has the slightest clue about basic economics. The “income” every adult gets from this scheme is taken from the economy in the first place, so it is a zero sum trade at best. His idea is nothing more than income redistribution in disguise (and not a very good disguise at that).
Mark
Hansen is a crackpot who should not be allowed in a serious public forum. His diatribe reads more like a Daily Kos blog entry and less like a credible scientist. Can we just ignore this guy once and for all and get on with a rational energy policy of which the main component is nuclear? The solution is obvious for those with common sense.
“It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren. Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach?”
He’s talking about AGW and the hysterical political response to the great political ponzi scheme, scientific fraud and sellout by scientists seeking fame and fortune.
Right ?
Have I not understood what Jimmy is saying here ?
They other problem for Jimmy is that Obama doesn’t give a crap about him and hos Warmongering hysterics. All Obama sees is a crisis that someone else went to great effort to create and he plans to take advantage of by taxing carbon to pay for his social engineering schemes.
No income tax reduction to balance the Carbon tax there Jimmy-boy . . . just an Obama bait & switch coming.
“As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).”
We finally see the real political aims of the man, he is a redistributionist, looking to set up a ‘social dividend’ system, handing out cash to people while being so ignorant of economics he doesnt realise that money is coming out of those same peoples pockets.
Hansen is the #1 alarmist at NASA so I, as a loyal WUWT reader, hate to agree with him. BUT, he IS right about opposing the Cap & Trade scam. He is also right about the Carbon Tax with 100% dividend (also known as revenue-neutral Carbon Tax and supported by more of us on the right than those on the left.)
Rising atmospheric CO2 levels may be responsible for, oh ten percent, of the warming we have seen over the past 100 years. That is insignificant compared to the efects of natural cycles of the sun. With the “Inconvenient” solar minimum, we are likely to see temperatures stabilize and perhaps decline a bit in the coming decades. Hansen has been wrong about any kind of “tipping point” anytime soon.
So, why do I favor the revenue-neutral Carbon Tax? And why now? Well, a tax of about $1/gallon (and proportional tax for natural gas and coal) would raise the price to about $3/gallon, which is less than the $4/gallon we paid last year. The Carbon Tax would apply at the wellhead or mine, which would make it relatively easy to collect and hard to avoid. The 100% dividend, paid as an equal share to every legal US resident with a social security card, would offset the higher prices of fuel and petroleum products. It would stimulate the economy. Rather than have the government (i.e., lobbyists) set our energy agenda, the marketplace would automatically reward industries and consumers who used less fossil fuel.
Would a Carbon Tax reduce atmospheric carbon-gas growth levels? Probably. Certainly more so than the politically loaded Cap & Trade or Kyoto Agreement.
Should we be concerned about rising carbon-gas levels? Perhaps not. Higher atmospheric CO2, IMHO, is beneficial to most agriculture and it is responsible for only a fraction of global warming. On the other hand, as a conservative, I am wary of any major changes that may have unknown long-term effects. So, like chicken soup, the Carbon Tax may help reduce rising CO2 levels and it couldn’t hurt. Best of all, the revenue-neutral Carbon Tax is the least destructive way to head off the evil Cap & Trade scam.
It would appear the condition of Dr. Hansen’s mental state trends inversely proportional to global temperature. Roy Spencer posted the April numbers last night; we are now sitting at 0.09 deg. C. above where we were in 1979 and trending downward. It probably hasn’t helped the good doctor’s outlook to realize just how much money and glory The Goracle has accumulated off Hansen’s ideas while Hansen was being instructed to “wait out in the truck”.
Correction; Make that “directly proportional to global temperature”.
Talking of a certain movie character, check out James Hansen’s familiar-looking hat in this photo from that Washington protest earlier. Looks like the guy is on a Last Crusade to save a planet in peril from evil coal-industry cap ‘n’ tRaiders. Will our lone hero be in time to stop the baddies (all of Western civilisation, plus the Indians, Chinese and much of the developing world)? Can he escape the Temple of Doom, evade the deadly alligator (shoes) and derail the death train single-handedly, armed with nothing but his bull(whip)? Tune in, folks, this December to find out.
Time to get on his carbon cycle and pedal off into the sunset.
Barry–food will not double in cost, it will quadruple in cost or more because not only will the fuel to plant and harvest be more expensive, so will the fertilizers–because their manufacture emits !!!!!greenhouse gasses!!!
Add to that the fact that much of the crops grown will be mandated for biofuel use. Food will become unavailable to a huge segment of the planet’s population.
But that’s okay–we have to get rid of a billion or so carbon exhaling humans to reach the entirely arbitrary and ecologically meaningless “Goals” these fools say we must.
My blog is not called Soylent Green for nothing.
Reminds me of a broken clock: Right twice a day for all the wrong reasons…
Chris (08:00:18) :
“The chemical industry uses benzene ..,etc
All they will have to do is just buying some “carbon credits”, that’s all, of course
if you follow the logic you’ll find that you are about to know what a “tax in cascade” is, fossil fuel will be taxed, as benzene. Ok, now you get the benzene but you can’t use it if you don’t buy many “carbon shares”, so the price of your plastic , say, bottle will quadruple, that in turn…etc,etc.
HURRAY, WELCOME TO A THIRD WORLD ECONOMY !!
I agree with Hansen’s tax approach as stated above — if one assumes AGW is a problem to be solved today by proactive means (and I don’t assume that — I would “adapt” if AGW ever becomes a problem). To me, it shows that he is committed to the public good — a “patriot” in his own mind.
His recommendations are certainly better than what is being proposed by our political “leaders”.
Thing is, the politicians pushing cap & trade are not as patriotic as Hansen. So, I agree with Hansen, the result of the cap & trade bill we actually get will be a financial disaster — and it will have no impact on AGW (if AGW exists).