
Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony
Worshipping the Temple of Doom
My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.
Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change. I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion. I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.
Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes). They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter. So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.
My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions. It is easy to speak of a planet in peril. It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.
Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual. Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy. They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements. Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.
Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom. It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren. Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach? Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol. It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals. Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions. Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.
Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped? The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer. Not a single Congressperson has read it. They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests. By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.
The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”. If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do. People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon. It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!
It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels. Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade. Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.
The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control. The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground. A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.
A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet. Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects. Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.
What is it that does not compute here? Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society? I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one. It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington. Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing. You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.
I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics. I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions. And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.
Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era. There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting. Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.
But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price. Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver. The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.
648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee. It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time. It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry. Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).
As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).
A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis. With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax. So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel? Nobody wants to pay more taxes. They prefer to have the money for other things. As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.
Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people? Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”? Naw. Roosevelt and Churchill are dead. So is Kennedy.
Jim
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Politicians prefer cap-and-trade over a carbon tax because it is a hidden government levy. Could it be a good thing that a true believer like Hansen is against cap-and-trade? There is no proposition to to implement a carbon tax. The alternative to cap-and-trade is do-nothing.
Hansen’s position is one more good reason for the politicians to delay cap-and-trade legislation while they contitue to study the urgent AGW problem.
Meanwhile, world temperature are trending down and polar ice extent is trending up. A general wake-up call has to happen at some point.
I wonder just where he thinks that money would go? Obviously he doesn’t mind spending more of his tax paid salary to get to work. He probably brings in 6 figures a year by now.
But what about those who are barely surviving, the fast food workers and grocery store clerks who can barely afford to pay for food now. Not to mention all the laid off auto workers and off shored IT people. Just which choice will these people make, pay rent, or get to work?
Just what does he propose to get things rolling again? Oh that’s right, he lives in a bubble where real people don’t need to eat food and you can just magically replace your means to get to work by some uninvented highly expensive eco-friendly fuel.
James Hansen is an educated idiot.
Food requires tractors, diesel, to plant, columbines, diesel or gas, to harvest, trucks, diesel, to ship to your door. Just how does this guy expect all these freshly out of work people to pay for food, if he wants to jack up the price of oil?
With his ideas, I bet food would experience at least a doubling of cost.
OT, AVO is expecting Redoubt to blow it’s dome.
http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2009/05/waiting_for_redoubts_big_boom.php
“I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics.”
I am left with the feeling that it would have been better for our children and grandchildren if Jim had stuck to astronomy and not drifted into climatology. In reality what he is saying is sensible, (except the bit about the extremely small contribution humans make to GHGs being the reason for the coming armageddon), we should be moving away from fossil fuels, and indeed we are, but it will take decades, or even centuries, to get to a position where they are available in industrial strength, and he’d persuaded himself we only have twenty minutes.
I take no sides in this particular argument, but can see that as carbon is free, giving everyone on earth the same amount at birth will lead to a redistribution of wealth of a sort. The problem I see is that once the poorer people have received money for their carbon they will themselves start to use more carbon, or their enhanced wealth will be of no use to them. Positive feedback in action.
Jim asks:
“What is it that does not compute here?”
Well his models don’t compute future climate with any certainty, and his grip on computing the speed at which current energy sources can be replaced with clean tech is tenuous to say the least.
Now he’s telling Obama he’s not in the Kennedy, Roosevelt, Churchill league.
The only thin ice around is that which Jim finds himself standing on.
Only in academic environments can one have such an advanced case of cranial-rectal syndrome, and not have someone slap you back to reality. It is cooling. It has colled for long enough to statistically invalidate the models, as Lucia has shown, but does this give Hansen pause? Not for a moment.
JH: Gavin! How’s the climate?
GS: Just like we thought in 19 of 20 cases!
JH: 19 of 20! I knew it! We’re doomed!
GS: The ice has mostly all melted, the glaciers are gone, and the waves are lapping at my front door!
JH: Whats this realisation with almost no warming, and lots of ice?
GS: Oh, that’s just the observed reality.
JH: Reality!? We don’t deal in reality, we’re in a university!
People…. don’t worry, be happy, Obama will spend us out of trouble, after all he is deaf, blind and not dumb but a little bit ah, ignorant?
“Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach?”
He said it…
Both approaches are an abomination, on an economy that is already in the ditch. There are energy costs is all products, and if the costs of those products go up, which they will, people will buy less of them. That will put people out of work, which will further depress the economy.
Energy is the life-blood of our way of life, and Jim Hansen is a crack-pot doctor, who thinks a good bleeding, is the cure for what ails us.
The letter is full of hyperbole such as:
Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects.
It would eliminate mercury emissions? It certainly would not eliminate them. At least he recognizes that mercury emissions are bad, I wonder how he feels about CFLs?
It would reverse a trend toward birth defects? On what basis does he make this statement? What is causing the birth defects? Is it mercury or air pollution, or perhaps Jim believes acid rain, ozone, or CO2 causes birth defects?
Heck, we may need more CO2 to grow more food for more people with ever increasing fossil fuel based living standards.
Such as yourself, John Boy? Have you lowered your own fossil fuel CO2 imprint to pre-Industrial Revolution levels?
Why not “Be the first on your block to create your very own personal Concentration Camp”, John Boy?
He seriously needs to go on extended stress leave!
This man is [snip] .”when our forests burn!” they do every summer.What you do about it is up to to the USFS/BLM/BIA…
Would Hansen finally agree then with McKitrick’s T3 tax, one wonders…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_McKitrick#T3_Tax_proposal
Hansen is exactly right here.
We should applaud him.
Cap and trade in any form (and especially the form being considered in Congress) will have an insignificant impact on CO2 emissions.
Any policy that has a significant impact on emissions MUST have a significant impact on the economic situation of average Americans.
What Hansen doesn’t understand, but folks on capital hill do, is that the American public is unwilling to make the significant sacrifices required to implement his vision of a low emission world.
My dear friends, as as foreigner i can tell you: You are doomed indeedif somebody there takes this man seriously.
This man is really sick.
If that tale about the “alligator shoes” people would be true, why is it so that they are not after him?
And “but the train has left the station”…once again those trains!!
He is clearly projecting his internal problems.
OK, It is funny, but at the same time very sad.
Can someone help me here with regard to the carbon tax (if enacted in whichever form)? Not all fossil fuel (coal, oil, natural gas) is burned. The chemical industry uses benzene (from oil or coal), natural gas, and ethane derivatives to make rigid polyurethane foam used as insulation in buildings, appliances, etc. Primary driver for demand is higher energy efficiency. But why would a rigid polyurethane producer need to pay a carbon tax on raw materials (listed above) that aren’t converted to CO2? As far as I can tell, I’ve seen no answer to this. The same logic applies to polyethylene produced from ethane derivatives. This stuff eventually gets landfilled, not burned.
I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics.
And
As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007). That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).
Someone should tell him he knows nothing about the climate or economics. Small wonder NASA are too scared to sack him, he’s a freaking nut case.
I love the missive’s signature, Jim. Wonder if the Pope goes with Ben?
Remember the Revolution. There are a great many parallels here regarding cap and trade, and taxes related to resource use as a source of government income and the parliament acts that significantly figured into the American Revolution. The trouble is that currently, it isn’t some foreign entity that is pushing this into our homes. It is our own government and on both sides of the color divide. Read the following entries from Wiki but replace the name of the acts imposed by Britain with CO2 terminology compliments of Hansen and the like, and parliament with federal or state government. And me a lefty. Whoulda thought such comments could come from the mouth of a lefty. Kinda destroys the blanket statements from some that this is all the fault of lefty’s.
The Stamp Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765
The Townshend Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townshend_Acts
Regarding food, they would stay the same but farmers would go out of business. We can’t change the price of food that goes to the middle man just because our costs have gone up. And if prices do go up because someone down the chain raised theirs, the farmer sees none of that income.
Much to my surprise, I have found two things on which I can agree with Dr. Hansen, namely that cap and trade is bad policy and – again to my surprise – his position on nuclear power; not because I believe in CO2 induced global warming, but because we must sooner or later find economically and technologically viable alternatives to fossil fuels for the simple reason they likely will be essentially exhausted within a century or so. I have often wondered at the irrationality of those who are so rabid about saving us from the “crisis” of AGW but remain antinuclear power. This prompted me today to google “Hansen nuclear”. Turns out that Hansen strongly favors 4th generation nuclear research and development which was terminated by the Clinton administration in repayment for support from the antinuclear environmental lobby. See here: http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/11/28/hansen-to-obama-pt-iii-fast-nuclear-reactors-are-integral/. Thorium molten salt reactors and other 4th generation technology promise all of the benefits of conventional nuclear while eliminating most if not all of its problems including the need for pressurized vessels and the waste issue. This appears very doable. See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor.
The President, DOE Secretary Steven Chu, and the Congress need to drop cap and trade and get onto something actually useful, development of advanced nuclear technology. Wind and solar are unlikely to ever be sufficient to meet energy demand, and the ultimate solution, fusion (hot or cold), may never be practically achievable – though fusion research obviously should continue as well.
Can we all agree that Hansen is as crazy as Lovelock?
Not taking into consideration any global warming or whatsoever, a tax fuel, as many countries in the world have, helps when there is a cronic budget deficit and provided the money is well used it makes the economy to depend less on foreing loans; the logical alternative, as in any family home, (economy=oikos=home) is to spend much less. As simple as that.