Holy Cow! Charles Osgood, a skeptic?
A QUIET SUN DOESN’T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
excerpts:
I know you’ve already got a lot to worry about as it is, but something rather odd is going on — on the Sun.
The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity — and last year, it was supposed to have heated up — and, at its peak, would have a tumultuous boiling atmosphere, spitting out flares and huge chunks of super-hot gas.
Instead, it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity. Right now, the sun is the dimmest it’s been in nearly a century.
Did you know that? It’s true. Astronomers are baffled by it, but has the press covered the story? Hardly at all. Is the government doing anything about it? No, it’s not even in the Obama budget or any Congressional earmarks.
Right now, global warming is a given to so many, it raises the question: Could another minimum activity period on the Sun counteract, in any way, the effects of global warming?
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Robert Bateman (18:01:37) :
The cat is out of the bag.
Yes Robert, prepare for a flood of biased articles stating that the the Solar Minimum won’t stop Climate Change.
‘….is the government doing anything about it?’
I think Charles Osgood is either being a little sarcastic, since the Gov’t is now even more tending to see itself as the solution for everything, or else he’s highlighting the lack of Gov’t interest in acting in respect to the possibiliy of “climate change” meaning cooling, when this looks like a rather strong near term possibility, and it really should concern the Gov’t in terms of adaptation measures.
Leif should really do a guest post “Okay, here is what is really happening with the Sun and this is where is it likely to go.”
Leif is still batting 10 for 11 in my mind (it is really 10 for 10 but I’m still not convinced that there is bare minimum for all solar cycles including the Maunder Minimum so I’m scoring a stike-out for that one although it could still turn out to be just a sac-fly and the 10 for 10 would be preserved).
John Egan:
I’ve highlighted your post for Anthony, and left it embargoed in the mean time. It is not being ignored.
You folks are not giving Charles Osgood the respect he deserves. You might want to get up Sunday morning and watch “Sunday Morning” sometime.
“Charles Osgood, often referred to as CBS News’ poet-in-residence, has been anchor of CBS News Sunday Morning since 1994. He also anchors and writes “The Osgood File,” his daily news commentary broadcast on the CBS Radio Network.
Osgood’s commentaries draw one of the largest audiences of any network radio feature. He was called “one of the last great broadcast writers” by his Sunday Morning predecessor, Charles Kuralt.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/07/09/sunday/bios/main13584.shtml
p.s. regarding Osgood the poet-in-residence
He is a very good “wordsmith” and a gentleman.
Never a “due to” or “due too” or “do to” when he means “because”
Never “it’s” when he wants “its” and so on.
If you want to point out any errors in his text, do it gently and in rhyme and you will get noticed.
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie – did you get this off the BBC?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm
Or perhaps you both got it off one of the wire services and each of you fluffed it up with your own particular take on the story. I just finished reading the BBC story before coming over to WUWT; it so sounded like an instant replay.
How’s that line go again?
It’s the sun, stupid!
Au contraire,
The government is doing something about a possible Maunder minimum and a resulting little ice age.
The government is bankrupting the country so that we will not be able to do anything about it. Should there be the predicted drop in food production and the increase in destructive storms, the US will not have the credit to deal with the problems.
Regards,
Steamboat Jack
Cheers to Charles Osgood for disseminating this information. Applause.
Once homo sapiens wake up and realize how they have been duped by the current world religion…they will make the right decisions…..hopefully.
4.5 billion year old sun and earth as opposed to 450 year old modern human history.
Go figure.
Steady Relentless presentation of the data and opinions.
Let the fanatics marginalize themselves through shrill rebuttals, but as the news over the last few weeks shows you, be mindful that
“Dissent is only the Right of the Left” in this New Order.
Robert Bateman (18:01:37) :
The cat is out of the bag.
And it’s climbing the proverbial curtain…
(and if the curtain gets a swing to it, it will slide along the runners and reveal the wizard with his levers…)
kim (18:25:04) :
The flip side of all this rejoicing, though, is the opportunity in this for the alarmists to blame any cooling on the sun, and not on the fact that CO2 doesn’t raise global temperature to any great extent. I thought they were going to confuse the issue with a whole lot of palaver about albedo, but I can smell a strategy in this quiet sun. Why, oh why, must money, power, and politics interfere with science?
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They have also been saying that,
[1] The sun is more or less irrelevant.
[2] CO2 is the primary driver for climate (global warming) change.
If they turn around and start claiming that the Sun is now swamping CO2 as a climate driver. It weakens both points above.
Hoist on their own petard.
Ted Clayton (19:27:12) :
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Posts here on WUWT have mentioned a changing ‘media consensus’ on the topic of climate change. They and others have noted that media in general have been happy to cheerlead for fellow liberals who happen to be promoting AGW … but that as indications emerge suggesting that the science of it has been hijacked by old-fashioned activism-politics, the media could prove unusually sensitive to having ‘been had’.
Media tend to like a liberal cause … but they don’t like feeling ‘played’, no matter how politically-correct the topic.
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The Osgood File is an early indicator of how the ‘the media war’ is going.
Ted: – two points.
[1] Everyone hates being treated like a patsy, especially if real deception has been performed. Hence good potential for a media backlash.
[2] Scandal stories also sell advertising space, the media can profit by swapping from “Scare” to “Scandal” – this could be a factor in especially trying economic times.
Ted: Good post.
vg (19:50:52) :
Leif: How about “I hate to admit it when David Archibald is even right(er) but that seems to be the case here” or Landscheit maybe? LOL
The LOL might be appropriate as none of these critters have any idea of how the Sun [and the climate] works and are just shooting blind. But, hey, some people believe weird things. I can recommend a book by Shermer ISBN 0-8050-7089-3.
Paul Vaughan (19:11:49) :
Would this article now be considered ‘out-of-date’?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986SoPh..104..425S
Possibly, but it is not certain that the 28.5 day feature comes from below the convection zone, so there is a chance that they are right. The important thing is perhaps that from several viewpoints the 28.5 day feature may not be so mysterious.
You know Osgood is on my local radio-and if one is riding along,and say your warmist
client is in the car,and he freaks out-that friends, is a:”Cronkite moment’.As it goes further we will see more and more warmist rats down the hauser.-As the SS Gore slowy
goes down by the stern from striking an iceberg….
“Graeme Rodaughan (20:57:08) :
They have also been saying that,
[1] The sun is more or less irrelevant.
[2] CO2 is the primary driver for climate (global warming) change.
If they turn around and start claiming that the Sun is now swamping CO2 as a climate driver. It weakens both points above.
Hoist on their own petard.”
Graeme, Graeme, Graeme!
You have so much to learn Grasshopper!
Your point 1 in the AGWA mantra is.
1) The Sun is more or less irrelevant wrt WARMING
Unfortunately, point 2 is this…
2) The Sun is overwhelmingly responsible for COOLING
3) Any warming trend is dictated by CO2
DaveE
F Rasmin (19:16:09) :
‘….is the government doing anything about it?’ Is this fellow a journalist? Does he mean what is the government doing about the sun?
J. Peden (20:11:44) :
I think Charles Osgood is either being a little sarcastic…
…or a LOT sarcastic!
Fairly transparent, I believe. If the blame it on Bush line wasn’t a giveaway, then this Paragraph certainly is:
“Hush, child! You’re not even supposed to suggest that. The only thing that can change global warming is if we human beings — we Americans, especially — completely change our ways and our way of life.”
Tongue firmly in cheek.
The Osgood file is carried on KNX radio, the big CBS station for Southern California. The typical political commentary on this station is very liberal. The typical Osgood listener will be surprised by his comments, and may have been unfamiliar with the idea of the sun’s influence swamping the effect of CO2 on our climate.
I listened to the audio….
I AM SHOCKED!
I did not know Charles Osgood would criticize Pr. Obama and pshaw global warming. OMG!
Albedo. The Alfredo Sauce that makes the Sun very important in climate.
If the Sun is NOT active to generate enough Solar Wind, the GCR’s start htting home runs off the weakened pitcher, who is stuck on the mound without the proper stuff.
The bull pen is empty.
There is more to the Sun’s role than simple heating of Earth.
The Solar Wind override to GCR’s looms larger in it’s abscence.
Think of those variable Sunglasses.
Only invert them.
Now for the shrunken outer atmosphere.
Think of an R value. Like trapped air in winter clothing.
Makes for insulation.
Shrink that and more heat is emitted as opposed to the higher insulating factor of the normally expanded outer atmosphere.
All of this from a simple change in Solar Output, but not really Total Output.
It’s the Sun, stupid.
The biggest energy source in the ballpark cannot be irrelevant, any more than we should expect a body that is 333 times the mass of the Earth to be orbiting it.
Now, that really would be stupid.
Ok, we’ve been there, done that, but at the time, we had no clue as to the true scale of the comparison.
We should have a clue about the true importance of the biggest energy source in our backyard.
I love you people. Every last damn one of you. just sayin’
Thanks Mr. Osgood.
Steven Hill(17:50:36): “Look at this madness. WASHINGTON – The flow of water in the world’s largest rivers has declined over the past half-century, with significant changes found in about a third of the big rivers. An analysis of 925 major rivers from 1948 to 2004 showed an overall decline in total discharge.”
When we talk about global warming we always mentioned global CO2 levels and global temperature. I never see figures about global (decrease/increase) of the rainfall, the main source of river water. What did IPCC predict?
Kenneth H. Schatten (2009). Modeling a Shallow Solar Dynamo. Solar Physics 255, 3-38.
Excerpt:
“As Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar (Act I, Scene II) said, “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.” Namely, we have fallen victim to the dazzling power of computation, without sufficiently understanding how convection and magnetic field interact together in MHD on large scales, when enormous energy transport is occurring concomitantly.”
Paul Vaughan (22:24:23) :
Kenneth H. Schatten (2009). Modeling a Shallow Solar Dynamo. Solar Physics 255, 3-38.
I happen to agree with my good friend Ken that the dynamo is either shallow geometrically [close to the surface] or shallow dynamically [that it only takes a short time for the surface flux to diffuse into the region at depth where it is amplified]. My Grow-n-Crash model does almost as well as the elaborate Dikpati computation: http://www.leif.org/research/Grow-N-Crash%20Prediction%20Model.pdf