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why liberals don’t like polls: self-selected popularity contests are not a judge of anything’s quality.
why climate change denialists are stupid: same reason all denialists are stupid. prove your negative away, since that’s impossible. attack the popular nomenclature “global warming” by saying how nice and cool it is outside today. proudly exclaim that manhattan could use a few palm trees, even though manhattan would be under water if the climate was warm enough to allow tropical foliage to survive in such a northern latitude. make fun of the far left to characterize moderates as wackaloons. all denialists view logical fallacies as a guide on how to argue, rather than as a guide on how your thinking could be misled. that’s why you are stupid.
in case you were wondering.
oh and god forbid we bring middle eastern policy into this, since then we would have to admit that oil consumption is bad for this country and not just for this planet. ignore the big picture while looking at GLOBAL issues, smart smart.
now i’m done.
REPLY: There are other blogs for those political topics. We don’t discuss politics here for the same reason you don’t in a college chemistry class. – Anthony
just voted-
3.30PM GMT
strange blog with even stranger agenda – 10,000[30.6%](no kidding, must have hit it just right)
polite blog with openminded members/staff – 12,113[37.0%]
Nichole,
Thanks for the tutorial.
Mike Bryant
Smokey (05:58:01) :
I’ve had no problem accessing this site, so I’m not sure it’s a DOS problem. But I have a Mac, so it’s a perfect computer world. [/s]
DOS = Denial Of Service
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack
I am still having some issues accessing, but hopefully the problem is over here.
I just voted for you. My last time. Good luck!
WUWT is holding onto its percentage vote total {so far} of 37.3% thanks to all those votes coming in from around the world, while total votes pouring in for Pharyngula from Minnesota have lifted it in 36 hours from just below 25% to its new percentage total of 30%.
Umm….percentage terms will vary as the two top blogs gain more points and the lesser blogs’ points become a smaller proportion of the total. It’s not a good measure to use – particularly because the winner is counted on total number. So why not provide that?
Last I saw, WUWT (which used to be about 2.5k votes ahead) had dropped back to 2k ahead. The same ‘race for the finish’ happened last year – probably happens with all the categories. Still important to get people out – friends, acquaintances, anybody with a computer!
Hi Nicole,
This is a non-political blog, which is why do not discuss things like the Middle East and other non-science related issues.
Thank you for your insight into how we are all stupid, judging by your use of grammer, capitalization and punctuation you should be a great judge of what is smart and what is stupid. Can you please explain to us dummies how Global Warming can be falsified, or proven to be false.
“all denialists view logical fallacies as a guide on how to argue, rather than as a guide on how your thinking could be misled.”
nichole
Pardon me, Nichole, but isn’t this an example of dicto simpliciter (ad dictum secundum quid)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(fallacy) refers.
I suggest that you are condemned out of your own mouth, and that you pay more attention to logical fallacies before posting again…
WILLIAM JAMES ON THE POWER OF PASSION (1882)
I think this passage from William James’ _Principle of Psychology, the Briefer Course_ (Harper, 1961, 318-319) gives a good description of the passion driving Pharyngula’s fulminations. A nice added touch is James’ use of “icy” metaphors.
Cheers, Cliosmith
Ellendale ND
“When any strong emotional state whatever is upon us the tendency is for no images but such as are congruous with it to come up. If others by chance offer themselves, they are instantly smothered and crowded out. If we be joyous, we cannot keep thinking of those uncertainties and risks of failure which abound upon our path; if lugubrious, we cannot think of new triumphs, travels, loves, and joys ; nor if vengeful, of our oppressor’s; community of nature with ourselves. The cooling advice which we get from others when the fever-fit is on us is the most jarring and exasperating thing in life. Reply we cannot, so we get angry; for by a sort of self-preserving instinct which our passion has, it feels that these chill objects, if they once but gain a lodgment, will work and work until they have frozen the very vital spark from out of all our mood and brought our airy castles in ruin to the ground. Such is the inevitable effect of reasonable ideas over others —if they can once get a quiet hearing; and passion’s cue accordingly is always and everywhere to prevent their still small voice from being heard at all. ” Let me not think of that! Don’t speak to me of that!” This is the sudden cry of all those who in a passion perceive some sobering considerations about to check them in mid-career. ”
There is something so icy in this cold-water bath, something which seems so hostile to the movement of our life, so purely negative, in Reason, when she lays her corpse-like finger on our heart and says,” Halt! give up! leave off! go back ! sit down!” that it is no wonder that to most men the steadying influence seems, for the time being, a very minister of death.”
I used to think that way years ago. What has changed is that I’ve travelled and seen more of the world, I’ve talked to more people from different walks of life, and I’ve read a broad range of books and topics. And that has changed my thinking. The sort of view you have nichole, is valid to a large degree, but it leaves out a great deal more which has to do with getting from a loosely holistic perspective, and instead moving onto a much broader and deeper holistic perspective that really can look at global issues. Oil consumption is just one aspect, and the world is way more complex than that. So if you want to think globally and holistically, start to open up your thinking. There is a reason “denialists” exist–they merely represent much of the other truths out there that are necessary for a more holistic view of the world. If you want to think holistically, you need to understand oil beyond simple “good/bad” dichotomy.
The slowness in voting might also be within your browser. As mentioned in their forum, the voting tool can use a lot of your browser’s processing time so it’s not a good idea to leave their site visible for long nor to embed the voting tool in a site.
Jeff Alberts (19:03:15) :
Ron de Haan (15:59:40) :
I just voted as well without any problems.
I only found out WUWT is loosing ground and now leads only by approx. 2.500 votes.
wattsupwiththat?
I’m assuming you mean 2500 votes. Still, “only”?”
Yes, and now it’s only approx. 2000 votes.
wattsupwiththat? I want Anthony to win!
Wait… so Nichole is ANTI-liberal AND *FOR* global warming? That’s a new mix.
I thought the anti-liberals were typically the deniers. (on pretty much ANY issue — “Nothing to see here folks, everything is just like it always is… move along”)
you’re all most welcome.
global climate change is irrelevant when the cost, both human and $ of the oil wars in the middle east are taken into account.
you don’t call political science “science?” well alrighty then. ~snip~
to prove that the theory of global climate change is false, one must time travel to the future 1000 years and check the weather. until then, you ought to allow the scientific consensus to determine policy matters. science works by consensus. ~snip~
i punctuate. my grammar is most fine. as is my spelling. i feel no need to reach for the shift key, but you can rest assured that i am aware of it’s existence and purpose.
~toodles~
yeah, i know. “its.”
figures i would do that there.
nichole.
I doubt you will be back to see this but I couldn’t let it rest.
Yep – popularity contests are fun. Just that. Sounds like something you haven’t experienced for a while.
Policy that harms me, my children and their future children based on a hypothesis whose adherents refuse, or are unable, to produce evidence that said hypothesis is anything to worry about let alone cripple nations and economies in advance for and attempt to cut me out of debating it, will draw my attention, my ire and my protestations.
The US policy of draining foreign oil reserves first, whilst purchasing and transporting them is cheap, and leaving closer-to-home reserves untouched – for whatever reasons – has NOTHING to do with the aforementioned scam, sorry, agenda, sorry, hypothesis, however much the little green monsters would like to teleconnect the two.
If anyone believes this to be a rant, you obviously haven’t seen me angry 😉
I am not done.
Hey Anthony,
Maybe we do not talk about the climate of the Middle East enough. I have been reading up theories concerning an ice age “Wet Sahara” and middle east. It would be great to get some inside from a meterologist on how climate change can effect the Hedley and Ferrell cells causing wet Westerlies to shift South into regions that are now dry.
Religion aside, the Bible is the only book that I know of that describes the climate at the end of the Ice Age.
REPLY: Nice try, not going there. – Anthony
oh, and my name most certainly has an “h” in it? spell it right if you feel the need to criticize me?
“I never thought I’d see a post like today on Pharyngula.”
Anthony, this is just proves that you are not well acquainted with Mr. Myers. His infantile diatribes are well known in biology circles. Unfortunate that he brings this level of “debate” to the climate issue as well.
I am not 100% certain that anything funny is going on with the voting, but we do know that Mr. Myers and his fawning admirers are willing to stoop in order to get the “right” result. Therefore, I am skeptical about the source of the gains they are making.
Casting a vote for WUWT now . . .
I’d caution everyone on this thread that just because taunts and insults are being levied, it does not automatically grant free license to descend to that level here. – Anthony
Oh, and Myers apparently suspects voters for WUWT of fraud:
I suspect that a lot of the votes for that ghastly Watt site and its mob of denialist fanatics are machine-generated, but I doubt that they’ll be disclosed.
So – if WUWT wins, it would be considered a win by deceit.
Wow!
I am so glad that this is not a Pharyngula type blog. I ventured over to further educate myself and was blown off my chair when I read the lead blog entry. I share my co-workers feelings when he commented “Anarchy poser”.
I guess I would rather be stupid than intellectually ignorant.
To all who frequent here, I thank you all very very much for maintaining civil discussion and investigation into the various topics explored here. Abusive and condescending remarks hold no intellectual merit and distract from the topic at hand! Sites and blogs like Pharyngula, always seem to be very long on adjective and short on pertinent substance, opting for crafty compilations of rhetoric rather than thoughtful insight into unambiguous discussion.
Just gives me the chuckles…
Go WUWT !!!
nichole: why liberals don’t like polls: self-selected popularity contests are not a judge of anything’s quality. FYI, many here, myself included, are thinking liberals (as opposed to knee-jerk ones). Meaning, we examine BOTH sides of an issue, even if it takes some effort, and digging for information, which is the case with the AGW issue, and then decide. You might want togive that a try.
“to prove that the theory of global climate change is false, one must time travel to the future 1000 years and check the weather. until then, you ought to allow the scientific consensus to determine policy matters. science works by consensus. denialism works by stupid.”
Cute. Naive. Just plain wrong.