Several British scientists have apparently decided that geo-engineering is better than nothing.
(Posted by John Goetz)
Extreme and risky action the only way to tackle global warming, say scientists
From The Guardian
Monday September 1 2008
David Adam, environment correspondent

Political inaction on global warming has become so dire that nations must now consider extreme technical solutions – such as blocking out the sun – to address catastrophic temperature rises, scientists from around the world warn today.
The experts say a reluctance “at virtually all levels” to address soaring greenhouse gas emissions means carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are on track to pass 650 parts-per-million (ppm), which could bring an average global temperature rise of 4C. They call for more research on geo-engineering options to cool the Earth, such as dumping massive quantities of iron into oceans to boost plankton growth, and seeding artificial clouds over oceans to reflect sunlight back into space.
Writing the introduction to a special collection of scientific papers on the subject, published today by the Royal Society, Brian Launder of the University of Manchester and Michael Thompson of the University of Cambridge say: “While such geoscale interventions may be risky, the time may well come when they are accepted as less risky than doing nothing.”
They add: “There is increasingly the sense that governments are failing to come to grips with the urgency of setting in place measures that will assuredly lead to our planet reaching a safe equilibrium.”
Well, we certainly know just how risky geo-engineering was for the terraformers on LV-426.
Professor Launder, a mechanical engineer, told the Guardian: “The carbon numbers just don’t add up and we need to be looking at other options, namely geo-engineering, to give us time to let the world come to its senses.” He said it was important to research and develop the technologies so that they could be deployed if necessary. “At the moment it’s almost like talking about how we could stop world war two with an atomic bomb, but we haven’t done the research to develop nuclear fission.”
Such geo-engineering options have been talked about for years as a possible last-ditch attempt to control global temperatures, if efforts to constrain emissions fail. Critics argue they are a dangerous distraction from attempts to limit carbon pollution, and that they could have disastrous side-effects. They would also do nothing to prevent ecological damage caused by the growing acidification of the oceans, caused when carbon dioxide dissolves in seawater. Last year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change dismissed geo-engineering as “largely speculative and unproven and with the risk of unknown side-effects”.
Dr Alice Bows of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of Manchester said: “I’m not a huge fan of messing with the atmosphere in an geo-engineering sense because there could be unpredictable consequences. But there are also a lot of unpredictable consequences of temperature increase. It does appear that we’re failing to act [on emissions]. And if we are failing to act, then we have to consider some of the other options.”
In a strongly worded paper with colleague Kevin Anderson in today’s special edition of the society’s Philosophical Transactions journal, Bows says politicians have significantly underestimated the scale of the climate challenge. They say this year’s G8 pledge to cut global emissions 50% by 2050, in an effort to limit global warming to 2C, has no scientific basis and could lead to “dangerously misguided” policies.
The scientists say global carbon emissions are rising so fast that they would need to peak by 2015 and then decrease by up to 6.5% each year for atmospheric CO2 levels to stabilise at 450ppm, which might limit temperature rise to 2C. Even a goal of 650ppm – way above most government projections – would need world emissions to peak in 2020 and then reduce 3% each year.
Globally, a 4C temperature rise would have a catastrophic impact. According to the government’s Stern review on the economics of climate change in 2006, between 7 million and 300 million more people would be affected by coastal flooding each year, there would be a 30-50% reduction in water availability in southern Africa and the Mediterranean, agricultural yields would decline 15-35% in Africa and 20-50% of animal and plant species would face extinction.
Martin Rees, president of the Royal Society, said: “It’s not clear which of these geo-engineering technologies might work, still less what environmental and social impacts they might have, or whether it could ever be prudent or politically acceptable to adopt any of them. But it is worth devoting effort to clarifying both the feasibility and any potential downsides of the various options. None of these technologies will provide a ‘get out of jail free card’ and they must not divert attention away from efforts to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases.”
Mike Childs of Friends of the Earth said: “We can’t afford to wait for magical geo-engineering solutions to get us out of the hole we have dug ourselves into. The solutions that exist now, such as a large-scale energy efficiency programme and investment in wind, wave and solar power, can do the job if we deploy them at the scale and urgency that is needed.”
It is refreshing to see someone at an environmentalist organization with a cool-enough head to point out what we actually should be doing.
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To say nothing of the thousands upon thousands of publically funded jobs such projects would create. It’s almost as if one of the rolls of the Royal Society was to promote engineering . . . Things that make you go hmmmm.
The common house sparrow, kudzu, eucalyptus, and so on were such resounding successes at fixing nature without any bad side affects, let’s try it on a larger scale!!
Actually, if we killed all humans off that would solve the problem too! Brilliant!!
Collective Insanity (and scientific ignorance) will bring the human race down. There are surely better ways to make science history than destroying the earth!!!
Well, we missed our chance to cover the arctic with soot in the 1970’s to prevent an ice age, is there still time to pump some sulfur into the upper atmosphere before the AGW scare passes? What better way to set mankind on a path to the stars (and planets like LV-426) than to make our own planet equally unlivable with boneheaded climate-engineering schemes?
Makes me proud to be British!
In other words, “We can’t see a catastrophe actually happening, so let’s create one.”
You sure they haven’t already implemented some of these “solutions?” Maybe that’s why temperatures haven’t risen in the past decade. These people are seriously dangerous.
The fact that the Royal Society awarded Six Degrees by Mark Lynas with their Prize for Science Books this year tells you everything you need to know about their current leanings.
If Henrik Svensmark’s “chilling stars” hypothesis is valid, we shall soon find that seeding artificial clouds would be exactly the wrong thing to attempt, as higher levels of cosmic radiation start to create more low-level cloud cover…
Re LV-426, wasn’t the colony called “Hadley’s Hope”? No relation to a certain meteorological office in Exeter, SW England, I presume…
This kind of tinkering that has no reasonable foundation for being is going to bring nothing but pain. The social engineering that will be done in the name of saving the planet, will destroy this country and it’s constitution and endanger everyone. Great!
RE: Rick (09:21:04) :
Pampus Grass, Algerian Ivy, Feral “Escargot” Snails, etc, etc, etc …
RE: KeithH (09:30:35) :
Experiments on a small scale have indeed been done.
Also, iron seeding is approved as a method of investing carbon credits. It’s happening today, in international waters.
I can’t set up a picnic table without an environmental impact statement, yet these folks want to clobber the environment on a massive scale immediately.
May be risky?
So who do we blame if we implement some of these trillion dollar harebrained schemes and screw the planet up royally? Methinks the royal society has consumed far too much Crown Royal.
LOL…. what do these knuckleheads think is happening now? We’re geo-engineering the climate by adding CO2. Warm is nice but if they muck around trying to cool the climate it can get out of hand and we’ll be heading towards an ice age. Cold is definitely not nice.
AGW’s final soloution….
Global Thermonuclear War and a nice cool down via nuclear winter.
This will do wonders for overpopulation and consumption of fossile fuels.
Nuclear power IS the answer!
And once again, I find it necessary to apologise for my fellow countrymen.
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The real problem is that there are too many witches in Britain. They need to set up a large scale and find out which ones weigh the same as a duck.
“Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?”
Bevedere, spoken to King Arthur
The climatologists have now successfully managed to create more world wide poverty. They have succeeded in creating more malnutrition and starvation in the third world. They have done this by successfully lobbying for limitation of access to cheap energy and for promoting of bio-fuel, thus reducing world wide food supplies.
Now they have set a new goal with the help of the mentally retarded academic of The British Royal Society. The next goal is to create irreversible havoc of the climate. The world has already starting to cool and we are likely to enter a new solar grand minima.
So, why not create more cooling so that we enter into the next ice age prematurely already in the coming decades, The Ultimate Tipping Point.
I have to wonder if they’re serious about these proposals, or if they’re just trying to scare us into curbing carbon dioxide emissions by proposing worse alternatives.
Bill Nye is on this bandwagon, too. A new show premiering soon on the “Science” Channel is promoting these kinds of terraforming technologies.
We are cursed to live in interesting times.
Makes you wonder if any of these people have windows they can open to see what’s happening outside. Have they asked any fishermen whether sea levels are rising, I wonder? Are they aware that increased C02 has ALWAYS followed temperature rises and NEVER preceded one?
Have they ever heard of the urban heat island effect? Did they hear that last winter was unfriendly in the Northern Hemisphere and that the winter just ending in the Southern Hemisphere has been no kinder?
I would feel sorry for them, if they weren’t so ridiculously and disproportionately powerful.
I bet that for less than 12 pounds sterling we could set these folks with all of these radical schemes up with a push broom and a bucket, and allow them to go through the streets of London sweeping them clean. That way they will be doing their life’s work, cleaning the environment, and doing it in a far more safe and cost effective fashion than any of their harebrained schemes would ever provide.
Seriously, these people are dangerous. I strongly believe that these environmental scientists are the greatest danger to the world today. I hate to be hoping for the disaster of Global Cooling to shut them up, but I partially doubt that a little age would reap the same destruction that these people are proposing.
The AGW pseudoscientists are a threat to humanity, and should be jailed.
As a Englander, I’m ashamed to say that the Royal Society went ‘tits up’ a little while back. Martin Rees is an otherwise brilliant man, and it’s such a shame to see him taken in by the warming-sickness. When you think of England, try to remember the good things we’ve done, like all the inventions, the great commanders, bravery of our soldiers in WW2, our innovation and spirit – and not colonialism, inventors of concentration camps, and a place for the Royal Society. Sorry.
We have a word for it old chap don’t choo noe.
Bonkers.
The Royal Society has collective hysterical psychosis.
The Tyndall Institute news page mention of said article:
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/media/news/latest_news.shtml
the article contains a link to a survey that asks (some inane) questions – anyone can participate.
With their loony science they will continue to make aerosols of themselves.