Long time WUWT readers may remember that a defender of “the cause”, Professor Scott Mandia, donned a Halloween costume and professed his love of defending Michael Mann and others who have had to suffer the terrible, terrible, tragedy of people asking Climategate related questions about validity of science, peer review gatekeeping, and funding.
Mike likes the idea:
CSLDF was started when Scott Mandia posted a “Dear Colleagues” letter on his blog in September 2011. He wrote, “Climate researchers are in need of immediate legal assistance to prevent their private correspondence from being exposed” via misuse of open records laws. The outpouring of support was overwhelming, and helped pay for climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann’s legal defense against a massive and invasive records request. But scientists’ legal bills continued to mount, and Scott Mandia paired with Joshua Wolfe to create CSLDF. Source: http://climatesciencedefensefund.org/about-us/
Today, I got into an unexpected exchange over the word “denialist” with Professor Mandia, and I asked him a question. He responded almost immediately. Here is the exchange:
The reason I thought to ask this was because the recent Shukla debacle was highlighted by Representative Lamar Smith in his preservation letter as:
“IGES appears to be almost fully funded by taxpayer money while simultaneously participating in partisan political activity by requesting a RICO investigation of companies and organizations that disagree with the Obama administration on climate change.
I recalled a comment made at Scott Mandia’s blog by the professor himself that stuck with me all these years. Given the RICO20 and Shukla mess, I thought it worth mentioning again. Here it is (highlight mine):
It seems to me that second “settled fact” might very well become unsettled as the Shukla Congressional investigation saga unravels. And with all that NSF largess in Shukla’s hands, and with the RICO20 letter he spearheaded looking to investigate climate skeptics, I naturally wondered if Shukla had given Mandia’s Climate Science Legal Defense Fund some money. It seemed like a valid question to ask.
Later in the Twitter thread, after Mandia threw out the Lewandowsky style “conspiracy” grenade, I asked again:
The last two questions were over a space of about 40 minutes, so it seems like he doesn’t wish to answer whether the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund has been the recipient of any money from Shukla and/or his IGES/COLA enterprise.
Now in fairness, he may just be pissed off that I asked such a question, and there may be nothing there at all. But I have to wonder why he wouldn’t at least address the question, because to not do so only invites more questions IMHO. It’s a curiosity.
If professor Mandia does respond here, I’ll elevate his comments to the body of the post to clear up any and all questions. I just checked Twitter feed again (now 4 hours later) and still no response.
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Dang! I bring up tights and a cape here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/01/bizarre-idea-turning-us-into-dwarves-with-night-vision-will-save-us-from-climate-change/#comment-2040247
and look what pops up as the newest post when I return to the main page.
Spooky…
Hip waders. How appropriate.
and a conspicuous lack of a codpiece.
No apparent need (Looks like Wuss in Boots)
OOPS forgot the “Hash Tag”
#WUSSINBOOTS
No cod-piece, no cod, no cojones.
Like most of these academic climate “warriors”.
Well Supermandia put his foot in it right away, in stating that the USA is primarily responsible for the CO2 that is in the air.
Sorry Scott, you couldn’t be more wrong.
The USA is a net carbon SINK, not a SOURCE, and what’s more it is the ONLY land based NET CARBON SINK on the planet; of any size.
There are others of course like New Zealand, which is also a heavily agricultural and tree farming country, but it is very small compared to the USA.
So we in America, are more of the solution (to a non-problem) than the principal source of that non problem.
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@ur momisugly George E , what about Canada?
George: The US dropped to the second largest producer of CO2 years ago, and if India hasn’t passed us yet, it will soon. If you add up all the countries of the world I doubt the US produces much more than of all the CO2 being added to the air each year.
So this belief that we are primarily responsible could only be the work of sick mind. Or one that is impervious to rational thought.
(Though your comments about sinks is very good, I just wanted to discuss emissions alone.)
Yes, he should have taken those off after emerging from the cesspool of Mann’s arrogant nonsense.
Hip waders! It must be getting deep!
PLEASE don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer. To be fair, he may not even know. To be pejorative, you may not get an accurate answer either!
Hehe. Perhaps the answer WILL require you to hold your breath!
Once you ask a question like that… it’s pretty obvious, really. Do you actually need him to answer?
[snip – fake commenter -mod]
I think we all know why!
So in my misguided academic youth, I learned about an experiment of some sort by Calendar and Barnes.
Don’t recall hat that experiment was, but it evidently was one of significance. But I never ever heard of either Calendar, or Barnes on their own.
So what did they do, ad why is Barnes name now expunged ??
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More censorship from WUWT.
[you’ve violated blog policy by using multiple identities aka sockpuppets, we aren’t obligated to carry your comments -mod]
What is your real name?
I am not using multiple identities as you say. I am using one.
I am not using multiple identities. I am using one account.
Mods alerted me to this, all I can say from this example is that data talks, bullshit walks:
So, whoever you are, don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Brighton Le Sands are Australia. hmm
While I acknowledge there are a few good reasons to hide behind a fake name, I recognize none that involve others’ identity, even multiple dead people. I’ve used my real name since ARPAnet days in the 1970s without significant trouble.
If you want me to take you seriously, either use your real name, or use a screen name and explain why you can’t use your real name. Or continue to be an anonymous coward that none of us take seriously.
$ host 121.217.73.100
100.73.217.121.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer CPE-121-217-73-100.lnse1.cht.bigpond.net.au.
Ah yes harry twinotter the sou groupy.
If my original account no longer works on this forum, the only solution is for me to use another account.
Unless you have a better solution?
Anyway I have raised the issue with WordPress, and I have included you displaying my email account information on a public forum.
The email accounts have been partially obscured, though there’s really [no] risk to you, since you set these emails up specifically to troll WUWT.
The better solution? Don’t comment here anymore, and don’t create fake accounts and new email addresses to get around the fact that we put sockpuppets in the bit bucket. We aren’t obligated to post your comments.
[Added, that should have read “The email accounts have now been partially obscured…” By using images, there’s no risk for spam harvesting, but they should have been pixelated while making the point- Anthony]
See also our policy page: http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/policy/
Internet phantoms who have cryptic handles, no name, and no real email address get no respect here. If you think your opinion or idea is important, elevate your status by being open and honest. People that use their real name get more respect than phantoms with handles. I encourage open discussion by people that stand behind their words.
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A real working email address that you own (as a commenter) is required, so that I may contact you if needed. False or misleading email addresses may earn banishment. Changing handles and/or changing email addresses to get around this will also earn the same fate.
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Comments coming from proxy servers (to create fake identities) will be deleted.
Anonymity is not guaranteed on this blog. Posters that use a government or publicly funded IP address that assume false identities for the purpose of hiding their source of opinion while on the taxpayers dime get preferential treatment for full disclosure, ditto for people that make threats.
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Like any establishment, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone
Did you put sockpuppets…
[…says the sockpuppet. The identity thief strikes again. -mod]
I am happy to go back to using the HT account if it works on this blog – that is the reason I started using a second account in the first place. I prefer to use HT as I want to use only one account across various blogs.
(That doesn’t make much sense, but using one screen name does. Please stay with the original, or use your real name. -mod)
Say what !!
Seems that the principal censorship going on here is the expungeation of the real identity of Svante Callendar.
I guess that’s what means the pot calling the kettle black.
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His other identity is probably Lubos Motl. Lol
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sméagol was essentially a well meaning guy that liked to eat fish, while Gollum was a nasty killer that was pushed past his emotional point of no return by a shiny piece of gold jewelry.
Maybe there is a nice fish eater (lets call him Mr. Grey) that is residing in the grey matter right next to Harry and Svante; the poor guy is being repressed and all he needs is the opportunity to sneak out and express himself so he can become empowered to take control away from Svante.
Frodo gave Sméagol a chance to change, and it only cost him a finger….
RicWerme: I have been cyber stalked and fired from a job because of my global warming opinions. So it does happen.
Are there any other IPs this guy has used? May be possible to trace which company/organisation the posts are coming from. Its the sort of analysis that Poptech would find easy 🙂
Got this far …
http://www.iplocationtools.com/121.217.73.100.html
Not worth the effort.
Using his DNS CPE-121-217-23-100.lnse1.cht.bigpond.net.au Bigpond can find the exact address, even to his apartment number, to find him. He’s not very bright or he’d be using a VPN.
121 will be a dynamic IP address, probably for wireless broadband. I use wireless broadband with telstra and my IP will change daily, IP lookup will put me in melbourne one day, then brisbane the next (where i reside), so not much can be gained from IP location unless it is static. the email address however is a different story.
heh, at the moment that IPlocationtool places me at cannonvale, nth QLD, about 1000Km north of my actual position with an IP starting with 101.
You can’t really hide….in Rockdale?… near intersection of Bestic & William? Nice House!
Guys, this is going way too far. Anthony and the mods have all the right to feel angry with this person, but I fear this witch hunt against this wi… er, guy, is starting to look pretty illegal. There are a number of comments already giving away personal information of a third party knowingly unwilling to share it, that should better get snipped just in case.
Exposing data that is legally available to anyone who has the knowledge to look for it is borderline illegal?
Based on the moderator comments above, I am giving my HT account another try.
[when you add the word “moderator” the comment is automatically flagged for attention -mod]
Nylo.
Well said. It is something we can all do without.
I assume it would be illegal for him to ” donate ” money anywhere !!! Is that correct ????
Well I think the following is a appropriate response. More popcorn please!
michael
Thanks for memories Mike !!!! LOL…
pols
Have had Mr. Cooper at our golf club for a few visits over the last few years. loves golf, love fast 60’s American muscle cars..also music…amazed by continued following by young people not born at his height off popularity
I want to know if Trenberth has any regrets about signing the letter, or whether he was just careless. Hopefully he’s not doing a Shuckla himself!
When the letter to Obama was first revealed I said Trenberth would regret signing his name there. I never thought things would move so fast! I was thinking years and decades down the line.
Trenberth attended some symposium earlier this year that IGES appears to have hosted. I’m not sure how closely he’s tied to them. I was rather surprised to see him on the list. I’m sure he regrets it now. I’m tempted to Email him and express my disappointment in his rejection of scientific give-and-take. OTOH, I assume he’s received more invective than most scientists, none of which should be sent.
It is amazing how quickly this has reached the mail-from-congress stage. I’d love to be able to drop in at GMU’s PR department and ask if they have any press releases ready.
We need to spread this in news media and social media. The latter needs some silly photo for piquing people’s interest. I wonder if Supermandia would mind if we used his photo. 🙂
Maybe I can cobble something together using a large PrisonGate and some choice photos of some of these
folks.
Ric, Trenberth is quite close. Used to sit on the IGES Science Advisory Board according to McIntyre. In my world that’s a remunerated position. Plus Advisory Boards like to meet in ‘difficult’ locations. Mine particularly liked Fort Lauderdale in February, at a conference hotel directly on the beach… They also preferred for some strange reason to like meeting on Fridays, although they always booked tickets home on Sunday evenings…
That is a brutal schedule to keep up with. I am tired and sunburned just thinking about it.
Or Mike Wallace
Well, he’s (and NCAR/UCAR) still claiming to have shared the Nobel Prize, so he probably has no regrets. The man lacks a moral compass.
Trenberth and Shukla
Well, I’d look into his funding 8:00 am Monday morning. Seems to me anyone who would go through all the trouble to set up and manage a legal defense fund may, in the back of his mind, someday be the beneficiary of it. …and…is he paid by his defense fund too? Worth asking.
Like Nixon erasing 18 minutes of tape or Hillary erasing 30,000 email, taking actions in defense of yourself is, in U.S. law, admissible evidence of the knowledge of guilt.
So Scott Mandia. Let us see your books. All of them.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Who are the officers and senior admin staff of this fund?
How much are they paid?
What are their relationships to Mandia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
CSLDF is a 501c3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c%29_organization#501.28c.29.283.29
Tansparency and accountability of a 501c3
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/governance_practices.pdf
“To judge by the length of his boots, he’s in it up to his A$$. “
They are tricking the public at the same time the public is treating them.
Minor difference. Nixon broke no law by erasing those tapes.
Hillary on the other hand did. She was legally required to maintain and turn over all those e-mails to the DOS.
Clearly the warmists are highly organized, yet their proposition is false, otherwise they would have been able to shut this debate down long ago. It was not for lack of trying,” the science is settled” etc. As if science is some sort of turkey dressed and roasted for Thanksgiving.
That in itself identifies the weakness of their proposition. Refusing to debate and release documents are dead giveaways that they are up to something poor.
I hope the truthful mouse routs the CAGW elephant and soon.
Yes. Brainwashed, perhaps? When I see a professor that holds a BS and MS in meteorology dressed in tights and cape, wielding a hockey stick, a recent article in Consumer Reports immediately comes to mind. The Nov. 2015 print version of CR has a heartbreaking cover story, Lies, Secrets and Scams, about the elderly being scammed out of billions of dollars each year. (Kind of like how taxpayers are scammed out of billions of dollars each year, in part by the likes of the Shukla family and IGES.) An FBI agent, Debbie Deem, who is a victim specialist, provides some information for the article.
“To get through to the victims and encourage them to stop, Deem tries to reveal the scams’ contradictions. But even when the hustlers are unmasked, some lonely victims appear not to care that they are being duped.”
Paraphrasing Agent Deem, to the scammed, the scammers are their friends.
That guy has some serious “issues”.
Did any Kryptonite change hands?
Rogerknights — Kraptonite? — Eugene WR Gallun
Hard cult to escape from once your deep enough in the lies.
Deep in love with fat stacks of cash is even harder.
Did they leap? They survived though.
Hey! Another nice link, Jimbo. You are a wizard.
Mark “Arctic-Death-Spiral” Serreze contributes significantly to the report. I found Chapter 3 quite interesting. A couple of graphs in the report show the descent from past warm times into the Earth’s current Ice Age (scales are millions of years). You look at those graphs and wonder how anyone can pronounce this year or any year in the past 3-15 million years as the “warmest evah!” That’s pure rhetoric vs. generally agreed upon paleo-reconstructions.
Along with the could-maybe-possibly-based-on-models-and-assuming-Dorothy-and-Toto-make-it-back-from-Oz crap there were some good, solid observational studies included in the report. Subtracting the speculation from the observations, my personal takeaway is that researchers aren’t being paid to point out the implications of the bad news – the Earth is in an Ice Age.
I was wondering about the northwest passage during the Medieval Warm Period after this WUWT post on the 29 September.
Arctic sea ice still too thick for regular shipping route through Northwest Passage
In fact comments are still open soooo I think I’ll chuck it in there too.
Has any warm-monger commented on the Shukla Affair yet? Anywhere?
Not that I have seen, and I have been watching this like a hawk.
To his credit, Phil dot did on another thread.
It is possible that Prof. Mandia is suffering serious cognitive dissonance. He may sincerely believe that scientists should not get rich off research grants. That would put him in the position of having to defend the indefensible.
The Climategate emails could be explained away with a bit of creative rationalizing. Michael Mann’s hockey stick is still being defended by its author. Scott Mandia can maintain his psychological defenses intact.
Shukla is a different kettle of fish. Mandia may be feeling quite uncomfortable.
Bob,
Rich vs well off, these professors are paid anywhere between 120 and 250 thousand tenure? Last financial year, I just scrapped over 100 with bonuses and I was pretty happy with that👍.
These people have been hanging around Al Gore too long, it’s all about the money and to the hell with the science.
I taught in various colleges from 1964 to 2007, including serving as a dean and a department chairman, and my pay never exceeded $41,000. Granted, I taught in some less-prominent schools, but I did not feel ill-used at $41K. The salaries cited–to more than $300,000–are obscene. I bet these people teach maybe 20 grad students a couple of times a week, do minimal committee work, and have grad assistants to grade any papers they get. College profs–at least some of them–are the most coddled professionals on the planet. Mostly Democrats, too . . .
At the schools in my vicinity the screws have been tightening in a variety of ways lately. Being a prof. isn’t as comfortable as it used to be.
Lost honor is very, very hard to re-locate.
honour that was never there in the first place is impossible to relocate.
OK, let’s do this one more time.
I am asking this question to all the thousands of folks who post/read this blog:
“Will those of you who are denying that the climate changes please raise your hand?”
*Notes for the record that no one has his or her hand raised*
When the climate STOPS changing , THEN I’ll start worrying !!!
Some notable Greeks in ancient times discussed climate change. So did a certain Thomas Jefferson.
I’m sorry Jimbo, but if there are ancient Greeks and Thomas Jefferson’s name on the list of folks who did not raise their hands, the Warmists will claim our vote was tainted.
/grin
Well Who, just fly from the middle Sahara on some August mid afternoon to Vostok base, and lemme know if the climate changes any.
Well it’s not supposed to because the Temperature anomalies are within a degree or so of each other, so they should have the same climate according to Dr. Jim Hansen.
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97% of leading climate scientists are Dr. Mann’s friends or students.
What are the disclosure requirements for 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations like The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CLSDF)?
Does CLSDF advocate a fair trial before they hang them ??
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It can work both ways:
Ooooh !!! Stinky and the police !!!! There goes my lunch !!!
I do what I can.
It’s still early, better stuff to come.
“sting” has his own reeky brand of hipocrisy.
It is the NSA theme song.
I don’t do twitter. So, please direct him to the link that includes the letter from the Congressman which compels him as well not to delete any information he may have it he did receive a donation.
https://science.house.gov/sites/republicans.science.house.gov/files/documents/10-1-15%20CLS%20to%20Shukla.pdf
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/01/uh-oh-jagdish-shukla-and-the-rico20-has-captured-the-attention-of-congress-and-foia-documents-are-coming-out/
Guidestar says it is: a not for profit.
Basic Organization Information
Climate Science Legal Defense Fund
Physical Address: Brooklyn, NY 11201
EIN: 47-1941171
However, the IRS has no filings of 990 on file. And since it was launched in Sept 2011 one
would think that these science minded people would follow some rules, say what the IRS says
is their fiduciary duty.
Hmm…. 5 years no filings on file with the IRS (via their exempt organization searchable database.)
The lack of 990s probably voids the tax status. Maybe the thing is defunct after Mann/Steyn sucked it dry.
CSLDF is a branch of peer.org. seek and ye shall find.
Wrong organization. Click on “Donate”.
I have filed our 501(c)(3)’s 990’s since we began in 2010, and Guidestart still shows that we have no 990 filings. I would be hesitant to draw conclusions from anything on Guidestar.
I spent a good bit of time trying to locate Shukla’s home address…no joy. While I would never publish his home address, I would gladly post pics of his house, as he no doubt lives large on our dime.
Anyone with access to pay walled “white page” sites who wants to help, should start by looking in Rockville MD. It would be interesting to know if Shukla uses his non-profit to get over on property taxes.
If you manage to come up with an address, just use google earth or Zillow to obtain pics of the dwelling. Do not post his home address.
You really didn’t try very hard.
It’s a nice house, in a very nice neighborhood, but it’s not a touch on some up in, say, Smoke Rise, NJ.
Super Mandia’s organization is no longer listed with the IRS as tax exempt, but that doesn’t mean that status has been rescinded. Can’t seem to locate their form 990, either.
I am a non practicing lawyer, but not a tax lawyer. But still deal with this stuff in both US and Canada, gothnin business and since I am a member of a tax free association that owns a condoed Canadian vacation property. The general rule in both countries is, if you don’t file the requisite forms annually, you lose the tax status. I had to deal with remediation, engaging expert tax lawyers. As a rule of thumb, you get one years forgivness. Mistakes happen, and tax authorities recognize that. Especially for small tax exempts that may not be adequately staffed or supported. Two years, you are in deep trouble. Three years, and you are OUT! Some sort of a strike three baseball anology rule, I suppose. Just is.
Were you able to determine if he also owns a house in Denver?
If you look at the “may know these people” section in the white pages, it would appear the answer is “no”.
Climate Science Legal Defense Fund claims to be a 501 (C)(3) organization. Where are its 990s and does it disclose a list of donors and individuals/organizations it grants money to?
From the SLDF website:
“CLSDF was originally hosted as a part of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), but has since become an independent 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.”