People send me stuff…
Readers may recall back on May 13th of this year I posted about a change in policy related to hate mail and hateful comments that get sent our way in:
Hump day hilarity: WUWT’s new policy on hate mail – your hate mail will be published
Since then, it seems the hate mail has dialed back a bit, probably because the sort of people that hurl this dreck are cowards who don’t put their name behind their words, sort of like “Sou” at “hotwhopper”, (aka Miriam O’Brien) who prefers daily denigration from the comfort of her imagined anonymity. This person is no different, but at least he/she says it’s a fake name.
Name: Shol Vadi
Email: shol.vadi@gmail.com
Message: Do you know what astounds me the most about this world?? The fact that there is a dedicated and extremely sophisticated group of people which is out there just to obfuscate science. They are full time into it! And they are even successful in misleading people. How do you sleep at night knowing that you are abetting in such a farce crime?
Anyways, I don’t have much about denier mentality. Do you get sleep at night?
But who cares. Deniers are loosing heavily. For decades you have succeeded, but the downfall was inevitable.
Leave the science to the scientist, will you?
Faux Name
Time: August 18, 2015 at 11:20 am
IP Address: 50.65.104.139
It seems this “faux” person is from Edmonton, Alberta Canada. It seems English isn’t their primary language, or they are simply poorly educated. It is hard to tell from the broken writing.
You know what astounds me in this world? That there are people with so little moral character that they have to hurl insults about scientific integrity from behind faux names.
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This just echos the political meme that when you can’t support your case with objective truth, you resort to denigrating your opponent. More evidence that as it relates to climate science, the scientific method was long ago replaced by conformance to a political narrative. Consider the insults a badge of honor. It means that the opponents have run out of truth.
Don’t know for sure, of course, but I’m more inclined to think the above, “hate” e-mail is more along the lines of another one of those sad tragedies, that we see far too often now-a-days, where some socially-incompetent, trophy-magnet, bratty “dumb-kid”, gets into the matriarchal brandy-flask on the sly and then tries a little too hard to do his unsteady-at-the-keyboard best to make his smothering, overly-protective, perpetually-disappointed hive-mummy proud.
So, in other words, a climate scientist.
I surely hope I can sneak this comment in, before this post drops off the “front page”. But Hotwhopper has a post on her blog about this thread and–CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!–her disapproving little, school-marm-booger, finger-wagging screed didn’t even make mention of my comment, above.
I mean, like, that really burns my Hibernian, Kelly-green butt and makes me doubt the widely reported, but dubious, “fact” that “Hotwhopper” sports an Irish surname, in real life–unless, of course, she’s hiding behind a “maiden” name, or even worse, her favorite color is–the HORROR!!!–sell-out “ORANGE!!!”
Climate Scientist?
The IPCC is what ran out of truth, virtually from its inception, and has been aggressively promoting its false reality because without CAGW, it has no reason to exist. It’s unfortunate that this conflict of interest was permitted to drive climate science into the most ill conceived science of the scientific age and will be very difficult to unravel.
Lysenkoism fell quite quickly, if I’m not mistaken, once the right man (khrushchev) became aware of the political masqueradeing of nature/reality-falsified science under his jurisdiction. I think most people will see the failure of the predictions eventually (solar cycles 25 and 26) but will it be soon enough to stop a “global governing body” from forming?
“Climate scientist” My thoughts exactly as the complaint sounds like it does apply to that group:
“The fact that there is a dedicated and extremely sophisticated group of people which is out there just to obfuscate science. They are full time into it! And they are even successful in misleading people. How do you sleep at night knowing that you are abetting in such a farce crime?”
Farce crimes are something that WW2 Germany accused the three stooges of…
looks very similar to the posting style ,complete with similar spelling errors to a poster on a well known arctic sea ice blog. i could well be wrong though.
I think memes are the biggest meme of all.
Meme me up, Scotty.
(aka pokerguy)
Nice!
If you replace the words “denier” and “deniers” (I think those are the only two) with “warmists” the guy isn’t far from the truth.
Asybot,
Who’s denying anything, except for those who consistently deny the laws of physics? It’s important not to conflate denying the conclusions of the IPCC with scientific disagreement arising from applying the physical laws they deby The net result may be the same, but the motivation is quite different. The process of pruning away invalid hypotheses is called the scientific method, but the power of this is also consistently denied by the IPCC and its self serving consensus.
In case you are unaware, the laws being denied by the ‘consensus’ are Conservation of Energy (feedback can’t create energy), the Stefan-Boltzmann Law (the Earth actually does behave like an ideal gray body) and the Second Law of Thermodynamics (the heat engine driving weather can’t further warm the surface).
Applying the Stefan-Boltzmann LAW alone (note the emphasis on LAW) is sufficient to falsify the entire range of climate sensitivity claimed by the IPCC.
http://www.palisad.com/co2/docs/latestproof.pdf
This describes the other violations of physical laws and explains how consensus climate science got to be as wrong as it is and why the many errors are so persistent.
http://www.palisad.com/co2/docs/top5.pdf
This is the same old Marxist-Leninist tactic with a twist. Their maxim is “Never admit anything, deny everything, and counterattack with false and personal accusations.” The twist is we know this came from Marx and Lenin. But when a person uses a false screen name instead of their real name, are they trying to improve on Marx and Lenin? Or are they just afraid to use their own name because they intend slander and personal attacks?
Well, Lenin used a false name. Ulyanov was his real name IIRC.
“If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table.”
Sounds like the new NDP Premiere.
OOOPs. an extra e. Guess I’m unedumucated too :-/
Dolt. 🙂
I think it’s spelled: unedukaited.
inedjumakated. There. Fixed it fer ya.
If not Ms Notley, then at least one of her supporters. There has been a bit of a shake-up in Canada’s bluest conservative province — or reddest for my American friends. As usual the “babes in the woods” think they won as a result of increased support, when in fact they simply rode a wave of Tory disgust with close to half of all PC (Progressive Conservative) party voters staying home on election day in protest. The “Orange Crush” has already gone flat and the NDP will soon find itself so low in the polls that they will not be able to do anything besides call an early election. I give them 4 to 6 months ’til the folks with pitchforks show up.
What is truly funny is how leftists all across Canada think the Alberta win means they are poised to assume power in Ottawa! Silly kids. I expect your Canadian hate-mail will drop off precipitously in exactly 2 months time. The federal election happens on October 19th and it looks like another majority for Mr Harper.
Despite claims to the contrary, I find most leftists and eco-extremists to be a poorly educated lot. This letter simply endorses the results of my “unscientific” poll.
They do depend on low information voters to keep their electees in office.
97% of the readers of this blog would probably agree with you 😉
If they were a well educated lot, they wouldn’t be a leftist or eco-extremist.
Yes, it should be “. . .wouldn’t be leftists or eco-extremists.”
Oops
No, a lot are very educated, educated to the point they actually think they know better, if not know best, but their education is not of the ‘work it out from first principles’ variety: It is the collection and assimilation of other people’s received wisdom.
The are the ‘Useful idiots’ of Marxism.
Actually there are 3 levels of the Marxist left. The elite intellectuals who were like the priests in the fuedal system who garnered favor from power by providing credence to the divine rights of the monarchy. Then you have the king’s court the nobles, etc who got to share in the plunder who today are the government bureacrats and other leaches in the government. Neither of these groups actually believe their rhectoric that they use to brainwash the ignorant masses that support them by a promise of a share of the spoils in a future utopia that never comes.
To be fair that wasn’t very insulting and had a sort of tragedy to it. Religous fanatics of all stripes write like this, the losing heavily bit is pure desperation, hope and perhaps even belief/faith that it’s true.
The fact that governments are rolling back subsidies all over the world apart from obarmy, look at our new cameron government. I just managed to scrape the 5k free money towards my C350e hybrid which thankfully still gets amazing company car tax rates meanig I save a fortune, but the money almost didn’t come because they’re seeing sense and wasting less money on green nonsense.
Keep up the good work Antony and let’s hope it continues to help the world to salvation from Big Green!
I think you will find that it’s not just religious fanatics. Ask anybody who runs a religious blog about all the hate stuff they get from atheists.
I’m an atheist but you wouldn’t see me dead on a religious blog site. I have no axe to grind there.
Presumably those that have axes to grind are not just atheists, but an axe grinding subset.
Yeah, we’re just a bunch of loosers.
That spelling error hurt like a dart to the eye.
But it may be that this fanmail came from a non-English speaker. It’s not to be judged. Just take the pain.
And why worry about someone who can see that the past has been a string of victories for the Sceptic side (“For decades you have succeeded,”)?
They may hope that tomorrow will go their way. They may think they only need to be lucky once.
But in the end the victories do take the ground. In the end we will have won.
And we’ll be surprised when we realise it.
You seem to be quoting the following:
Ouch!
commieBob, as it seems you’re spelling things out it also seems I was actually too subtle.
The line “They may hope that tomorrow will go their way” was paraphrasing a song from Cabaret.
I have trouble with loose and looze too.
How about boose vs booze?
Loosers in the sense of loosening the folks from the corral of disinformation out there!
I think it’s spelled: luzer.
Yes, and female form is lucy
I know her! Isn’t her last name Goosey???
Well, we could hit a bar and get tight, if that would be better. 😉
Did we release a Kraken? Cool!
What precisely is a farce crime? Is it something that a comedian does when a joke falls flat?
A lot of Brian Rix’s Whitehall stuff? (sorry, showing my age here)
He’s says that you are dedicated and extremely sophisticated.
Rejoice in the compliment.
My take on the letter too. But only us “extremely’ ones got the compliment.
Wow, this gives a whole new meaning to Lenin’s term “useful idots”
He’s useful?
Ah. The infamous opposite to udots.
The wedots would disagree, Pamela.
What I liked in your post is the word “dreck”.
It summarizes these characters beautifully.
You know what astounds me in this world? That there are people with so little moral character that they have to hurl insults about scientific integrity from behind faux names.
Astounded you may be, but you still permit it every single day on your blog. Clearly low moral characters are welcome at WUWT.
Ow, that’s hurts Kit. Take you half a day to think of that one or does such inane writing come naturally to you?
Well, I posted within half a day of this post going up, so I guess it just comes naturally 🙂
Kit….you are welcome here…(8>)))
I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there!!
I do not use my full name because there are crazies out there who would cause difficulty for a Sceptic.
I need contracts to earn a living.
The problem isn’t the anonymity. It’s the insults about scientific integrity.
Slurs about funding are not the same as complaining about Tiljander.
One is a fallacy and unfounded.
The other is a knowing deceit.
Well said!
If tyranny and oppression are not the response than he must agree with it? Let’s hope you never wield to much power, Kim.
*Kit, my apologies.
too?
Apologising to Fat Boy Kim?
Auto
So you read this blog every day?
She luuurve it looong time.
Ten dollah….
You wouldn’t be referring to the likes of nick stokes or david appell, would you?
And despite all that, we still love you.
I post under a false name.
I work in government in reasonably senior technical capacity. I try not to post too much ‘inside’ information but even so I’m not sure I last long if my views became known. Probably to the end of my current contract.
Sad but true.
Correction. Most of the posts here written by faux names are hurling insults about the LACK of scientific integrity these days. It is perfectly moral to point out lies, deliberate manipulation, and repeated outright stupidity in the quest for truth and fact no matter what name you use to do it.
For all we know, your own name here is just a movie character.
Indeed, if you’re not sceptical enough to spend 30 seconds verifying my identify with a web search then my true identity shall regain a mystery!
When a member of the great unwashed and educationally challeged sends you hate mail, you know that you are upsetting the black hatted fraternity.
I cannot express to you, Mr. Watts, the depth and extent of my gratitude for this website.
You are performing an immensely important and desperately necessary public service.
+100
I have been out of work for just under a year, started a contract 5 weeks ago and will be paid (Apparently) tomorrow. I stated several years ago that I would donate to Mr. Watts, his blog and work. Only a small donation of 50 Australian pesos unfortunately.
Hear hear! Come on everyone. Let’s all hit the tip jar.
Poorly educated? My other interest is photography and Canon actually published a review of their 5Ds wherein the reviewer said that the Canon 5Ds was “probberly” the best camera he had ever used.
My opinion is that those who believe Co2 is the anti Christ and wind and solar the solution are “probberly” barking mad.
I think probberly should be spelled: propperly.
Depends on whether you are saying it with a Cockney accent.
Hell, in NE orgun its prolly.
All the best science is performed Popperly.
The sender says: “But who cares. Deniers are loosing heavily.”
No, Science will prevail.
This is not a debate club or boxing match, real science is about finding the truth and we all win when we find it.
AMEN!!! Science will prevail, if you define science as a focus on Truth. In the end Truth is the goal of both the artist and the scientist, but perhaps known best by the engineer.
The engineer knows he had better darn well not ignore the Truth, or else what he builds will fall down.
This is actually an ancient idea, and in the Bible one sees people warned against “building on sand,” (which proves that the prophets were actually engineers).
A lot of people deem themselves “social engineers”, but are so out-of-touch with the Truth that what they build is a shambles even before it is completed. (Among these arrogant social-engineering do-gooders I include a certain president who’s ego I will not inflate by using his name.)
The people I feel most sorry for are the school teachers of the more stupid sort. They get handed a textbook and teach what they are paid to teach, naive about the fact they teach balderdash. Then, when their students turn out bad, guess who gets the blame? Guess who gets the ax? The writers of the textbooks? Or the naive teachers?
Judging from the history of China, when a stupid bit of social engineering like The Great Leap Forward goes down in flames, the politicians don’t confess they are to blame, but rather blame the teachers and make them an endangered species with a Cultural Revolution. (Cambodia saw the worst, so far.)
I think the person who wrote the above email was just such a naive teacher.
It rakes a special outreach to get Truth across to such people, because they begin with the premise they know and you are the stupid one. I confess I’m not good at such outreach. All I seem to do is make schoolmarms mad. I did it at age six and I still do it past age sixty.
real science is about finding the truth and we all win when we find it.
Er, no, its not.
Its about taking as read the truth (of the data measured in phenomena) and concocting a formula that accurately predicts future data (from future phenomena).
Whether you consider force, mass and acceleration to be mystical qualities of paranormal entities, or god given natural rights of substance, is irrelevant: So long as F=ma, Newton’s proposition holds sway.
The frightening thing is that the truth content of science is in fact zero, or in-decidable., depending on how you understand those terms.
Gravity could indeed be god’s little angels trying to stick the big bang back together. We can’t say. All we have is a formula showing how effective they are..;-)
Science expresses a relationship between the present and the past and the future: In a (material) world of change Natural laws and their concomitant attributes of Causality are presupposed to be ‘Veritas aeternas’ – Eternal unchanging truths, that govern the evolution of the nature of the world as it appears to us, in Time.
Science however does not discover them: It invents them. And the only indicator of their validity, let alone truth content, is that they work. Or have worked, so far. Tomorrow is always another day.
Truth can be shown to be only possible within an already established context.
IF the world is like science says it is THEN certain truths can be deduced, but the way science says the world is – essentially a modified Materialism, – is simply a priori of science itself. And science is in fact not deductible from the tenets of materialism itself, either.
Materialism sets the nature of what constitutes an observable fact – Materialism defines what phenomena consist of. Materialism presupposes causality and natural law to explain the orderliness of experience. Within that general context Science itself presupposes causal mathematical links between subsets of phenomena, and the suppositions are called hypotheses, and if they work well they are called theories.
The only thing that separates science from arbitrary fanciful notions is its ability to predict the future, more or less accurately.
When it fails to do that, it ain’t science. Cf the Pause…
Perhaps they are just bad at computers. Clearly, this message was intended for the IPCC.
Yup. The worst insult hurlers here, also hide behind faux names.
I say stick to facts and solid tested principles and use your real name. If you can’t say what you want with your real name, then what you say isn’t worth reading.
We couldn’t agree more!
I use my pseudonym because its easier to find with google search. Of course, I use the same pseudonym everywhere, its relatively easy to find out who I am with ‘whois palisad.com’ (my domain hosts much of the data I refer to), my pseudonym at my domain works to contact me and most importantly, I don’t insult and criticise someone just for misunderstanding the science and instead, try to guide them to the flaws in their arguments.
You apparently are unfamiliar with The Federalist Papers. I would submit that your argument has no merit.
Nom de plume’s are cool.
Noms de guerre are better.
Crispin: Surely, oh surely, that’s “noms de plume”?
Pamela Gray: “Don’t call me ‘Shirley’.”
Proof I suck at foreign tongues.
I take it you have never been cyber stalked.
Hello Mark W.
I suppose if somebody wanted to cyber stalk me…stalk me online with machines I guess, then I would have to deal with that electronic presence. Should that elevate to physical threats then the FBI or police would be summoned. Machine-based threats leave tracks back to a person. This is the only blog to which I contribute. I don’t do FB, Twitter, GMail, etc or any social medial, so this would be the only venue for “stalking”. Anthony would never put up with that and would turn over to the cops anyone who stalked or threatened another person on his web site. I generally don’t worry about the cyber world since I live and breathe in the real world spending a miniscule amount of time on the web. The real world is far more interesting and bountiful. Real people are interesting. My life in the real world is abundantly fertile and rewarding. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me.
Now to the meat of the matter, I assume that your name is Mark and that your last name is started with W.
Mark I take it you are real? If you attend one of the heartland climate conferences, how shall I address you? You can find me. I am Paul Westhaver.
…crickets… not a real person.
“Do you know what astounds me the most about this world?? The fact that there is a dedicated and extremely sophisticated group of people which is out there just to obfuscate science. They are full time into it! And they are even successful in misleading people.”
The Royal Society?
Not the Royal Society, but the IPCC.
Not “just” the Royal Society, but “also” the IPCC.
On the other hand, there is nothing professional about the IPCC.
Question.
“Message: Do you know what astounds me the most about this world??”
Answer.
Words cannot express how little I care about what astounds shol.vadi the most about this world.
P
Your apathy knows no bounds? Mine too.
I both could, and couldn’t, care less.
Apparently it doesn’t take much to astound some people. That they can be astounded by something that isn’t there is itself astounding.
“out there just to obfuscate science.”
Haha! Like all the reference pages here that provide links to every conceivable set of relevant observational data. If our host was actually trying to obfuscate science, it would be a good idea to leave those off the reference pages!
I suspect this person hasn’t spent more than 30 seconds at this site. Or can’t think straight.
The trouble with simple people these days is that Schools no longer help them understand that they are simple. Everyone is taught that they are a winner, a genius, whatever. The Real World bewilders them and because they also have not been taught self evaluation, they arrive at the ridiculous conclusion that despite all the evidence to the contrary (which they are incapable of analysing), they are right and everyone else is wrong.
I am from Edmonton and I am ashamed of our schools for turning out this kind of an idiot!
@Faux Name:
If 97% 0f the scientists support the theory that the majority of the Global warming is caused by CO2, then why have they had such a hard time convincing the other 3% for the past 50 Years? Think about that for a moment. 50 years ago a respectable astrophysicist would have been laughed out of the conference hall if he suggested that Black holes exist or that there was a black hole at the center of every galaxy. Now the person that refutes that opinion is laughed out. So, like the little old lady asked “Where is the beef?”
Why do people invest so much of their inner core into something that is so uncertain ?
I am continuously fascinated by this. Where does their certainty come from ?
Why are they motivated to say such horrible things when they clearly have no concrete facts, just fears.
It’s easy for me, for us, to say with 100% certainty and conviction ‘show me’
But how can they be so sure ? it’s a puzzle
Faith leaves no room for uncertainty. You are dealing with the convinced, the True Believers. And they are the most dangerous people on Earth.
/Mr Lynn
Hah! Who does this Shol Vadi think he is? His mother was a hamster and his father smelled of elderberries. I fart in his general direction.
Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
No. Now go away before I taunt you a second time!!
If you did that twice, would it be a farce crime? Probberly.
Or a fart crime?
+ 100
I am with you Graphite, I am “Loosing” a fart now in his general direction as well…NNE.
Shol Vadi is a vampire name.
Vadi is a not uncommon Indian name.
Not sure about Schol.
Sure it’s not “Sredni Vashtar?” He was a polecat.
Personally, I am irritated by the “holier than thou” attitudes and faux intellectual superiority that is exhibited by both the warmist and warming skeptic camps. I fall into the latter category despite the fact that my political leanings are decidedly liberal.
The ONLY time I am holier than thou is two seconds after confession and communion. After that all bets are off.
WOW Pamela! I am only holier for 1 second! You must be doing something right! (for 2 seconds anyway 🙂 ).
Since I’m presuming it takes longer than that for you to exit the church itself, now I’m wondering about the types of farce crimes you must be capable of before exiting! Stealing wine? Candles? Dumping the donations basket into your purse? You scamp you!
🙂
At the age of 8, I was already passed my first communion but not quite self-aware enough to figure out the purpose of confession. I figured the priest wanted to hear what I had done wrong, so not knowing what I had done wrong, I made it up. I once confessed that I had killed my brother. And I had to say three Hail Mary’s and one Our Father for that crime.