Steve Harris writes:
An article came out on the AIP Physics Today website about a push from some scientists to formally designate today’s human geological epoch as the “Anthropocene”. Editors of the journal Nature argue that the name “provides a powerful framework for considering global change and how to manage it.” Here is a link:
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.8107
Here is an excerpt, quoted from an article in Nature:
“Some supporters of the Anthropocene idea have even been likened to zealots. “There’s a similarity to certain religious groups who are extremely keen on their religion—to the extent that they think everybody who doesn’t practise their religion is some kind of barbarian,” says one geologist who asked not to be named.”
Another excerpt:
“Official recognition of the concept would invite cross-disciplinary science. And it would encourage a mindset that will be important not only to fully understand the transformation now occurring but to take action to control it.”
There are some interesting comments in the online discussion. One of them from a poster known as Guest is copied below. I thought it well written and worth sharing.
“When a popular foolishness arises in society one may weep for Reason, or laugh at absurdity. Few take notice of the former, and the proponents of the absurdity are greatly offended by the latter. It is clearly embarrassing to be exposed on the wrong side of Reality, and to have your favourite phantom hazard deflated. Consider crop circles. Even after the perpetrators confessed and demonstrated how they created them, true believers refused the explanation and vilified both the sceptics and the self-exposed pranksters.
Phantom hazards are popular with the fundamentally pusillanimous for the ‘threat’ can be confronted with the (perhaps sub-conscious) realization that there is no physical harm for the believer, but provides a cause of great moral superiority – and not infrequently, a generous income. Politically, phantom hazards are ideal tool for manipulating a trusting population. The threat is what the proponents construe it to be, it will never physically materialize, and victory can be declared at any time it loses its persuasive ability and attendant revenue. The true danger lies in real damage done to society through misapplication of effort and funds, and the theft of personal freedom – in this case ‘to fight climate change’ – previously ‘global warming’.
The arrogance of the political manipulators to pretend that they can organize society to prevent ‘climate change’ speaks poorly of those who would be thought of as ‘leaders’, and brings into question not only their intelligence but also their ethics. We must ask who benefits from this particular phantom hazard – and it certainly is not the general population.
One must admit that, from the perspective of manipulating society, global warming (or ‘climate change’) is a clever tool. This phantom hazard is global. It impacts everyone in the world. And they are not only its victims but also its cause. Brilliant! But dishonest. Such perfidy warrants much more than mere scoff.”
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This entire Global Warming thing has been a religion for these people for years now. I refuse to discuss Global Warming with anyone except my closest friends as it seems to be like discussing politics and real religion. No point to discussing lies pitched as truth.
I said this the other day; I think the people who are against industrially produced CO2 are lumping that in with general pollution. Those people are well intentioned, wanting to save the planet from unwarrented pollution of soil, water and that. Industrially produced CO2 ( as a threat to Global survival of species) is targeted as a ruse against the evolved industrial stuff that works because it is an easily digestible scare story. some other thing would probably serve just as well.
It’s good news in a way. As the number of adherents to the religion dwindle as the grown-ups point out that in 40 years, and a half-doubling of the (purported) effects of (purported) anthropogenic CO2 there has been no measurable effect on any climate parameter.
I think it’s a case of “Boss, I think we’re not winning on the science. Why don’t we try the ‘Ooooh look over there a squirrel’ approach and give it a big, long sciency sounding name?”
We should relabel it the Hubrisocene.
A very LUCRATIVE religion.
Follow the money- it leads to corruption.
I stopped talking about sensitive subjects with my progressive friends about a year ago. Also, about 5 years ago a relative voluntarily estranged themselves from me because of my views.
Well, let us agree the Anthropocene began in 1492.
The Windowsocene – another geological era, began in November 1985.
Rather short, a new era was declared in September 1997 – the Googolocene.
Not to be outdone, consider the Neocene, per Zalasiewicz, from2010.
Or does this diminish the Cretaceous – at >60 million years .. . . . . .
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Apologies – umm /SARC.
Sorry – I assume some managed.
Mods – sorry.
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Capitalism is the only hope humanity has of adapting to climate change (which has never been proven to be caused by human activity — never).
In the end, the socialism weakens an economy to the point that people d1e from cold or heat, from starvation, and or from disease. We have much data from horrendously thorough experiments, often called “Plans.”
(Sir Winston Churchill quoted from memory — Note: the rulers in a socialist economy do not share in that misery equally. Some, after all, are “more equal than others.” George Orwell in Animal Farm)
“Animal Farm” was one of my favorite books as a child. I think I need to reread it, in light of the strong resemblance of the pig characters in story to the modern era’s eco/climate-progressives.
It’s no wonder that all left wing ideologies are doomed to collapse sooner or later. The community is drained by the capitalistic political elite respectively …
Dear Sasja, but in a free market, ALL may be capitalists. Some will accumulate more of that capital, but ALL will have more than they will ever have under a socialist, planned, economy where ONLY the ruling elite accumulate wealth in the end.
Unequal blessings are better than shared misery.
Just my point … 😉
The farther to the left politics are, the worse it gets. As it is in Sweden right now, there are indications that the politics is slowly moving towards left. The problem is that too few voters understand the consequences …
How can a community be drained when it is fed by the very system you appear to so despise? Draining of communities can only be achieved by excessive government sucking out the will to work and the need to work by hand feeding everyone in order to gain their obedience. Venezuela??
Simplified, the fall of the Soviet empire was mainly due to capitalism and corruption. Most of the money ended up in the pockets of greedy politicians and the military. Why do you think the Communists in the Russian military of today are so eager to gain power in politics?
Sasja, I think we are talking past each other… . The U.S.S.R. still is, de facto,, it is just called “Russia,” now. Socialism still rules there, confiscating (oh, sure, they didn’t pay their “taxes” lol) the wealth of entrepreneurs like the imprisoned head of Ukos oil, etc… . In a FREE market, capitalist society, citizens keep their profits to with as they please. Socialism (not free market capitalism) taxes away the profits into the pockets of the “elite.”
Holocene has hardly started.
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The Holocene should be a stage within the Pleistocene Epoch.
I wondered about that, too. Any other geologists here?
+1
This table is from USGS.gov, and I assume they should know
http://pubs.usgs.gov/ha/ha730/ch_g/jpeg/G016.jpeg
http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/archive/socal/geology/geologic_history/images/timescale.jpg
The term Holocene seems to be a stretch in the great scheme of things. We are in the upper Pleistocene. In a couple of million years we will have a big pile of dirt laid on top of a layer known as “strata with Homo Sapiens cultural remains”, found within the newly remained middle Pleistocene. Anthropocene is just a propaganda word.
The Holocene AND the Pleistocene are part of the Quaternary; the Quaternary, Pliocene and Miocene are together part of the Neogene; Oligocene, Eocene, and Paleocene are lumped together in the Paleogene. The Pleistocene is now recognized to start at MIS stage 104 at 2.58 my, Holocene at 11.5 k yrs ago. The Tertiary should be removed (primarily kept for old farts like myself who can’t seem to drop old nomenclature), no sense of keeping though anymore (it’s not like we decided to keep Primary and Secondary)….
The charts supplied are a bit dated. The current dates/times/names (and, yes, they are still in some stage of flux) is found at:
https://engineering.purdue.edu/Stratigraphy/gssp/index.php?parentid=all
Note that the names are chronostratigraphic, not geochronologic (radiometric dates are approximate, and for reference only). Equivalencies are:
Stage = Age
Series = Epoch (e.g., Pleistocene Epoch)
System = Period (e.g., Ediacaran Period)
Erathem = Era (e.g. Mesozoic Era)
Eonothem = Eon (e.g., Phanerozoic Eon)
The Pleistocene is now being taken as having started at 2.588 ma (as shown), and the “Holocene” is an Age within the Pleistocene (just being the most recent interglacial).
Hope that helps,
Mark H.
Hi Mr. Hladik
My knowledge of the details of the stages of various epochs/…/eons etc. is extremely limited. I have saved your table link for the future references.
I noticed the first item refers to the NGRIP
About 4 years ago I looked at the NGRIP data and made some observations which cast certain degree of doubt on validity on some aspects of the 10Be data as shown here .
Since then the ‘nap’ data have been further researched, reinforcing the correlation.
Thanks for the link.
The Holocene epoch was proposed in 1885 to cover the past 11,500 years. At the time it was not widely accepted or understood that the present interglacial period differs little from previous interglacials. The Holocene may by definition follow the Pliestocene, but there is no reasonable doubt today, we really do live in the Pliestocene.
One other small clarification:
The name “Holo — cene” means ‘completely recent’, i.e., in reference to the state of [fossils]/[creatures]/[living things] found in the stratigraphic record.
As we learned in my Hysterical Geology class (our “affectionate” name for Historical Geology), the “CENO”-zoic Era means ‘recent life’, and then the progression was as follows:
PALEO – cene “ancient recent” life
EO – cene “dawn recent” life
OLIGO – cene “few recent” life
MIO – cene “less recent” life
PLIO – cene “more recent” life
PLEISTO – cene “most recent” life
As has been commented below, the term “Tertiary” (meaning ‘third’) is falling into disuse, although most of us still call the Chixculub impact the “K/T boundary event” (“K” being the geological map symbol for Cretaceous).
Anthony and mods are free to supply my e-mail to any interested party. I enjoy discussing geochronology, and the evolving terminology.
Regards to all,
Mark H.
Yup.
Exactly, Geologic Epochs and Ages are measured in millions of years. The Holocene by comparison is already perversely short at about 10,000 years. To suggest another geologic division measuring in the 100s of years is simply an act of arrogance, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the concept of time. Nothing that is occurring today is unrepresented in Earth’s history.
As the Hulk would say: “Puny Humans”
The hollowscene never existed. The concept arose when 19th century geologists were gob smacked by evidence of the last glacial maximum. They assumed, not unreasonably from the evidence they had, that there was a giant block of ice for a couple million years that finally relented 10,000 years ago. Hence, the hollowscene.
The Misanthropocene is the desperate scratching of Homo contriticus, having lost its rightful place at the center of the universe to Copernicus, to salvage some sense of significance by way of an important sounding name.
From the above comments about Holocene, I have learned that the geologists’ science is far from settled. Thank you.
Centuries after Copernicus and Galileo removed humans from center of the universe, climate alarmists are maneuvering to have humans “re-claim” the center of all things.
Excellent and it sums up their perverted arrogance
Wait a minute, humans aren’t the center of the universe? Well can’t we be just a little off to the side?
Oh well, maybe we’ll get back to the center after taking control of Earths climate and while we’re at it terraforming Mars. On second thought, probably need to conquer death as well to get to that coveted center position…
well, it might be humans are the center stage of the things on earth in a way that consciousness does not belong to human but is an attribute shared amongst all living things then in human given more freedom of expression by opposing thumb and wotnot. Perhaps when an animal looks at a human it sees itself liberated to travel beyond the stars to go where no thing from life on earth has gone before.
It is not certain that humans are not the centre of the universe.
But the desire to elevate man to that lofty position is a long-standing temptation for the way that human minds work. We look after ourselves or die… and so are tempted to be Narcissistic.
You have correctly identified the “Anthropocene” as being in the same family as a common error.
my cat firmly believes that he is the center of the universe as he knows it
Yes, I have always thought that the Islamo-Christiano-Judeo thing of raising humans to the status of demi God – a separate creation for the purpose of being God’s representative on earth – was being absorbed into the new “secular” science as a new form of religion which again elevates man to the position of custodians of the Earth. Now that we can control the climate, preserve ecosystems, save species at our will. Maybe we can even stop genetic evolution, continental drift …. So much work left to do
I stopped genetic evolution many yrs ago…I had the snip !!
I think the more appropriate renaming of this current epoch would be the “Stultucene,” in honour of the climate scientists.
Or perhaps the Epicene.
Crimescene comes to mind.
+1, Eamon
+100 I reckon!
Still chuckling several minutes after reading this one. Had to come back and +100 it too!
Lots of good alternatives there! It’s hard to choose the best one… 🙂
Well, Annie, I reckon will choose YOURS (at 7:28pm), for affirmation is the best reply of all!
#(:))
I propose Hubriocene.
Absurdopocene?
Alarmistocene?
Nihilicene. Or is that the epoch that follows after we all commit suicide in order to end the Great Warming.
Anthroporcene, (alternative spelling anthroporcine—humans lining up at the trough).
Bulshitocene?
No, Horshitocene. Perhaps to be spelled “Whorshitocene”:. It is a difficult choice, and will take a panel of UN “scientists” a decade or so to arrive at a definitive decision about a defunctional definition..
Asinineopocine
Algoreopocene?
Better
Narcissistocene.
Climeobscene
Preposterousocene?
Mommymommylookatmeocene.
Narcissene?
Oops.. beaten to it 🙂
Stratigraphy has the concept of the golden spike. The problem with the antropocene is that humans entered Africa 100,000 years ago but New Zealand only 1000 years ago. The anthropocene is therefore a diachronous concept by definition.
All geological eras are or were diachronic. The problem in geology is in determining how short the transition is. The Cretaceous-Paleocene (first part of the Paleogene) transition may have required as much as 300,000 years. The transition between the Late Glacial Maximum and the Holocene required about 4,000 to 6,000 years depending on your flavor. That said, “Anthropocene” is still very dubious concept, especially as it is advanced as a political tool for dealing with change caused by humans.
Indeed now 300k years is peanuts on an absolute value of 65 million, but a lot on an absolute value of 10,000, Every golden spike therefore has an uncertainty associated with it; the base of the holocene has an absolute uncertainty of 99 years.
The Cretaceous ended when the Chicxulub bolide impacted. That is hard to make diachronic.
The sheer brilliance of the anthropogenic global warming movement is that people who crave the good opinion of others were guaranteed from the start to embrace it, seeing the chance for virtue on the cheap and and salvation by means of hectoring others to change their behavior–something easily fathomed by a truly cynical divinity-school washout.
Can’t these people just go back to evangelizing the end of earth by the wrathful hand of God with salvation the only remedy instead of evangelizing the end of earth by the wrathful hand of people who drive cars and use air-conditioners with renewables the only remedy?
People have forgotten…. just how very big the system called Earth is…. .
Control this….
(“Circle of Life” from “Lion King” — youtube)
Right.
Unbelievable hubris, indeed, Jim Steele.
Click on the exploded square icon in lower right — great on full screen.
This will be my response to the clips of the doomsdayers showing pollution and industrial stacks belching out plumes of backlit water vapor etc etc.
We live on a very varied and dynamic planet. I’m no fan of pollution, but tossing Co2 into that category is absurd and ignorant.
Thanks Janice.
Eamon.
You’re welcome, O Valiant Eamon, Speaker of Truth about Nuclear Power (and CO2, too)! Good — for — you! Thanks for piping up. 🙂
Beautiful video. Like George Carlin said, the Earth is fine.
Funny thing that this represents, to some, the “Anthropocene” epoch,
I did not see the hand of man anywhere in the video.
Thanks for this, Janice. Beautiful and inspiring.
You are so VERY welcome, schitzree and Chris (in Hervey Bay). My pleasure.
Control this ??
Exactly.
I just flew home, again, from Philadelphia, PA to Hervey Bay, Australia. 35 Hours and Only covered one half of the circumference, and only saw the little I could see from the port of a Boeing 777 at 38,000 feet.
Does any of the clowns that believe CAGW, really know how big this rock is, or more to the point, how small we humans are ?
I saw miles and miles of clouds, all shapes and sizes, and patterns, lined up in rows and sometimes scattered in random chaotic clumps that stretched for a 100 miles. Some were miles below and others towered way above.
When they can model clouds, I’ll believe they can model the climate.
There are some bloody arrogant humans out there believing they are better than God.
Oh, and thanks Janice, truly inspiring.
Beautiful! TY for posting it.
You are so welcome, Mark (hope the cats liked it, too). It brings tears of gratitude to my eyes. Thanks for telling me that you liked it.
I really should credit its author here: Video above by Scoot aloo (youtube) — link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq1lwG_wN0 M (I put a space between the 0 and M so it wouldn’t create a control window here.
Can’t believe it’s had under 5,000 views — it is really a treasure.
Nice! Thanks, Janice.
So glad you enjoyed that, H.R.. Thanks for saying so.
Hi Janice,
really beautiful,video and great sound track to accompany it. Brought tears to my eyes, just the sheer beauty of the earth. Many thanks to you for showing it and, of course, its creator.,
You’re welcome — and, thanks, Rob Roy.
And Harrowsceptic. Hi. Yes, indeed, the creation silently-but-loudly praises its Creator. My tears of gratitude welled up out of the joy in my heart at this thought: “I am loved by the One powerful and intelligent enough to make all of this.” Amazing love. Love makes me cry — go figure.
As a geologist I strongly object to the idea of naming the present time the “Anthropocene Epoch”. It flies in the face of all past definitions of geological ages, eras and epochs which were/are defined by a representative set of fossil assemblage. Can someone please tell me what the representative fossil assemblage is for this purported epoch? Bear in mind that a fossil is a once living organic organism that has been transformed into or buried in rock.
Bureaucrats?
LOL
….. ergo “the Bureaucrocene?”
It will require special stamp duty and an extra million years for them to be converted into fossils.
Redefining part of the Holocene as the Anthropocene will take climate change/global warming dogma to a whole new level. No longer will sceptics be merely ‘climate deniers’ they will, by default, become geology deniers/Earth history deniers. Climate change believers will be afforded another level of refuge from the awkward scientific questioning posed by sceptics: they will just be able to shrug their shoulders and say, “Look, it’s the Anthropocene – that’s what happens.” Clearly, it would be patently absurd to expect natural processes to dominate in a geological era pervaded by human influence. Hence this statement quoted from above.
“Official recognition of the concept would invite cross-disciplinary science. And it would encourage a mindset that will be important not only to fully understand the transformation now occurring but to take action to control it.”
I think it’s essential that this arrogant and perfidious attempt to create a new geological era in man’s image is thwarted. It will do even more damage to earth science and climate science. It is, after all, being mainly heavily promoted by a politically-motivated band of Holocene deniers.
Ah yes, the Anthropocene, let’s talk about that for a moment. If you Google “anthropocene” and “definition” the first definition that pops up is:
“relating to or denoting the current geological age, viewed as the period during which human activity has been been the dominant influence on climate and the environment.”
Let’s run with that.
What many may not know is that Gaia’s climate is dominated by two states, the warm interglacial state (about 10% of the time since the Mid Pleistocene Transition) and the cold glacial state (the other 90%). We flip between these states astonishingly quickly. For instance half of the warming that brought us out of the last ice age occurred in less than a decade, and the fastest published estimate for glacial inception I have found is about 70 years.
So where are we?
Well, if this is the Anthropocene, then the Holocene is over and this is the Anthropocene extension of it. Meaning, of course, the interglacial state.
So who wants to end the Anthropocene given that the only climate state left is the cold glacial state?
Yeah, reality is a be-ach ain’t it?
Google is also now going to be the arbiter of ‘truth’… Only the ‘true’ results will end up on the first page of a Google search.
I strongly recommend using duckduckgo instead.
I NEVER use Google, it mucks up my computer and fills it with advertisments not to mention remembering everything. . I always use DuckDuckGo.
I looked up “Google” in a NewSpeak dictionary and it said “see Pravda.”
It’s my take that the planet is in just the most recent interglacial of the Pleistocene glacial cycles; thus still in the Pleistocene. Even the Holocene is a wrong-headed name.
Nicely said William.
I invite you to visit my post on the Anthrop-obscene at: http://insuspectterrane.com/2015/03/24/anthop-obscene/
Tom
Thanks for the link. Excellent article, ‘anthropocene’ has absolutely zero geologic significance. I think pretty much all geologists would agree we’re still in the Pleistocene and lucky enough to live during one minimum of the 10% part. I think eventually, the Holocene will be downgraded to what it actually is: just another short interglacial. Enjoy it while it lasts.
To be completely fair, there will be lots of plastic clasts in the sediments of our time. Lots are already embedded. Microbes might easily find them and metamorphose them into peculiar distorted voids, or even oil shale. If we should somehow screw up or suffer bad cosmic luck and fail to pass on our legacy, whatever imponderable creatures of the future that reach our level of understanding may ponder our layer, as we ponder so many layers that preceded us, in disbelief and wonder.
Interesting and informative! I quote from it here to give others an idea of what they will find.
In the end, the Anthropocene concept is only additional proof that hubris and arrogance is pathological to the study of climate.
“To be completely fair, there will be lots of plastic clasts in the sediments of our time. Lots are already embedded. Microbes might easily find them and metamorphose them into peculiar distorted voids, or even oil shale. If we should somehow screw up or suffer bad cosmic luck and fail to pass on our legacy, whatever imponderable creatures of the future that reach our level of understanding may ponder our layer, as we ponder so many layers that preceded us, in disbelief and wonder.”
So then…Shall it be The Plasticene?
You can always think if the Holocene interstadial, which is my take on it. That would not follow standard naming conventions, but the guys that slapped the name on it are long gone. Maybe somebody will suggest the “Anthropian.”
A brilliant piece of prose that describes precisely the current climate change argument. Our current Leaders are leaders only in the sense of being first to the bottom of the cliff.
What’s the original source of the map please?
Also does WUWT have any existing comment on the California drought? I’ve hunted around and looked in the ‘Tips and Notes’ but can’t find anything.
Thanks
Hi, Jeff,
Re: “comment on California drought”
1. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/29/claim-cause-of-california-drought-linked-to-climate-change-not-one-mention-of-enso-or-el-nino/
2. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/03/california-drought-a-novel-statistical-analysis-of-unrealistic-climate-models-and-of-a-reanalysis-that-should-not-be-equated-with-reality/
Try typing “drought” into the Search Box (labelledSearch WUWT) near the top of the righthand column of this page.
Hope you find this helpful.
Janice
Jeff? What map? I was going to look into that for you, but (shrug). Hope someone can help you.
Janice – Thanks for the info on the California drought. I just missed spotting the search box … mildly embarrassing. 🙂
The map I was referring to is the one at the top of this article, ‘Anthropocene – The New Pop Religion’, showing the Earth’s continents and the areas inhabited by humans, illustrated (heh!) by the location of human population lighting on those continents.It just looks neat and I don’t recollect seeing it or similar previously.
Jeff
Jeff, that is one of many similar Nasa images. Go to Google images, put in earth night light or some such. You will get a host of those, each traceable back to original NASA sources. Used a similar one in my first ebook. You can also get zooms, like the difference between north and south korea, or how and where the amazon basin is developing.
You’re welcome, Jeff. There is LOT of stuff to distract one from finding it! Don’t be embarrassed… embarrassing is posting a horribly obscene Danish Christmas song before you knew what the lyrics meant (blush). Thank — you — mod for coming to my rescue. And here’s one that happens all the time around here…. posting a reply on (cringe) the wrong thread — pretty fun for the rest of us, though. “What in the world??….. Oh! lolololololo”
And if you look really closely at the map, Jeff, you’ll South Korea looking like a glowing island up against the west coast of Japan. The dark space behind South Korea is, of course, North Korea.
North Korea, the exemplar society of how the Anthropocenists would have us all live in eco-lovely sustain-o-land.
Janice – A Danish Christmas Song that turned out to be obscene. Who could possibly anticipate that. 🙂
Read the drought links. About what I thought. I’d actually skim read them back around their publication date so I knew they were here; just frustrating not to be able to find them again due to my inability to see the obvious and ever helpful search box.
Rud – Thanks for the pointer to Google Images and NASA. I’ll check them out. I’d just never seen a whole Earth map projection with the lights of civilization so comprehensively and compactly displayed.
Pat – Yep, NORK I’d seen before. Rumsfeld’s favorite satellite photo. mebbe at today 1734 has this proposed new era renamed as the Misanthropocene, my favorite and I think that pretty much describes the attitude of the ecologically misguided.
From the article:
“The Anthropocene is defined not just by climate change or extinctions, but by a linked set of effects on Earth and its biosphere, from perturbations in the nitrogen cycle to the dispersal of species around the globe. Official recognition of the concept would invite cross-disciplinary science. And it would encourage a mindset that will be important not only to fully understand the transformation now occurring but to take action to control it”
Take actions to control it? What for?
The earth is greening up from increasing CO2. There is more food for plants and most animals. Life on this planet almost always does much better with modest warming vs cooling.
If humans are responsible for the increase in CO2 from 280ppm to 400ppm,. then we have rescued life on earth from dangerously low levels of this beneficial gas.
Good comment! Your last two paragraphs are exacty what every person who manage to pass mandatory school should have realized and fully understand! No excuses acceptable!
“Whenever I hear of framework… I release the safety catch of my Browning!”
Citori over and under 12 gauge type Browning?
John
I dunno. I think geologists 500,000 years from now will did back and find a layer of plastic bottles, clear plastic salad boxes, and polyester clothes. They’ll call it the “plasticene” era.
Probably find all of the stuff I misplaced too. In which case could also be called the “wherethehelldidiputitcene” era.
I thought about that, too. Then I realized that probably long before then some bacteria will evolve to consume all that nutritious carbohydrate and if anything at all is left, it will be a microscopic layer of fossilized bacteria.
Already exist.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plastic+bacteria
Will they find porters with looking glass ties? And what if they think we had marmalade skies?
Oh, I can hear it now, it will be the 3030’s Enviroprofiteers’ answer to the science realists of that era…
Science Realists: The sky was orange at sunset in the 1900’s.
AMS (Anthropogenic Marmalade Sky): The sky was orange at sunset in Phoenix, last night. It is getting oranger and oranger all over the planet by the minute. We have exactly 2 months to fix this problem.
SR: You have NO evidence for your wholly unsupported speculation.
AMS: Marmalade consumption increased steadily for 100 years and then — ORANGE in the sky.
SR: Marmalade is perfectly safe and a BENEFIT to humanity and you have NO proof. Correlation is not causation and you, btw, don’t even have an EFFECT. Marmalade eating UP. Orange sky increase zero.
AMS: We have EXCELLENT scientific evide — er…. authority!
SR: (eye roll) here it comes — AGAIN
AMS: Arrhenius Elton John knew his stuff.
Here, let me play you his world famous lecture:
BAN MARMALADE NOW!
(and buy our nifty tofu spread instead; tastes just like marmalade oh…. and, keep those soybean subsidies coming, Big G!.. (mutter, mutter…. only way we can break even…))
SR: (by now, out the door, into the car, and miles down the road) Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Don’t eat either marmalade or vegemite, they both suck.
As with most extreme and radical religions, you seem to recognise the same names cropping up – often in the background – as the proponents stir up their followers and confirm each others bias.
This corruption of the scientific method is embarrassing for other scientists who feel powerless to criticise the offenders as name calling and false accusations of conflict of interest will inevitably follow.
These religious zealots have got away with ridiculous ‘science’ often supported by ‘green’ activists and the media – who can forget “50 million climate refugees”, the “melting of the Himalayan Glaciers”, increase in extreme weather events including extreme droughts, extreme flooding, extreme warmth, extreme cold, no snow, more snow – all blamed on ‘climate change’?
The one outstanding feature of ‘climate religion’ is that it is not members of their ‘brotherhood’ who pay for their own religious order, it is the rest of us, the taxpayer and often the poorest in society with their increased energy bills.
“Phantom hazards are popular with the fundamentally pusillanimous for the ‘threat’ can be confronted with the (perhaps sub-conscious) realization that there is no physical harm for the believer, but provides a cause of great moral superiority……”
And therein lies a significant motivation for climate alarmists: the emotional need to feel morally superior against those who do not embrace the Holy Faith of CAGW and its purpose in life. Without it, the holy fight against the Great Twin Satans of fossil fuels and the free market is emotionally incomplete and less fulfilling. With the powerful weapon of the CAGW phantom hazard in hand, one is better armed to fight the “good fight” against the Great Satans and those who are perceived to be its “evil” defenders. One feels more emotionally fulfilled.
When the billions of $$$ in financial rewards provided government are added in, it is no wonder that any and all contrary scientific evidence to refute CAGW is treated as nothing short of religious heresy. The heresy must be silenced and defeated at all costs. The heretics, in the minds of some, deserve to have their human rights to free speech and thought stripped from them (according to a recent speech by Al Gore). Others demand their death. The heresy and threat to the moral superiority of the holy climate warriors is that serious.
With the abandonment of science in the study of climate, one cannot help but be concerned about the future of other fields of science as well.
P.S. Kudos to whoever wrote the comment from which I quoted above. Extremely well said!
The nature editorial scientific board has been replaced by cult fanatics.
Cult science is different than normal science. In normal science when observations do not support a theory, the theory changes. In normal science the objective is to solve scientific puzzles. In cult science, when observations do not support the group’s theory, the group reaction is to block scientific papers that discussion the observations that disprove ones cult beliefs and to call those who point out the offending analysis and observations, deniers.
Any comment concerning the sudden and unexplained increase in Antarctic sea ice all months of the year, sudden recovery of Arctic sea extent and Arctic multiyear ice, and sudden increase in Greenland snowfall? Gremlins? Magic wand? Anyone notice the sudden change to the sun? Is there anyone from the cult of CAWG that will debate/discuss ‘science’/observations?
http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/440/1/012001/pdf/1742-6596_440_1_012001.pdf
The peculiar solar cycle 24 – where do we stand?
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/davis-and-taylor-wuwt-submission.pdf
Does the current global warming signal reflect a natural cycle?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
The serial climate changer is the sun. There are cycles of warming and cooling (sometimes abrupt cooling) in the paleo record which correlate with changes in solar activity. We are going to have a front row seat to watch how solar changes cause significant and rapid cooling.
We already have an “anthropocene”… it’s known as the Holocene.
You mean to say …. The Age of Mann.
Mannthropocene? 🙂
Sounds like a barbiturate.
I suppose we could further define more time frames as other “ocenes”. Perhaps beginning in 1957 as the “sputnikocene”. Or maybe define the time since 1942 as the “manhattanocene”. Or maybe the time since 1926 as the “goddardocene”.
Surely these things have just as much impact on modern human lives as anything else.
Hey geologists, What are these significant changes in the rock layers that geologists will utilize in the future to demarcate the end of the Holocene and the beginning of the Anthropocene?
Geological periods are generally marked by changes in biological communities. The larger scale the change is, the more significant the new period is considered. So the three great periods of the Phanerozoic are the Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic. The transitions are marked by immense extinctions. The Permian extinction at the end of the Paleocene erased roughly 90% of all genera, and was worse in the seas than on land. The KT boundary event was severe, but less so than the Permian. On a far less massive scale the Pleistocene stadial-interstadial transitions are all accompanied by extinctions, though not nearly so extensive as those punctuating more significant geological transitions. So, were geologists to be so foolish as to adopt the Anthropocene, the markers would be extensive occurrence of major engineering works (mines, dams, etc.), a clear trash and wreck layer in marine deposits and occasional entombed cities, the appearance of new materials (plastic, rubber, aluminum cans, glass, ceramics, concrete) etc.. The problem is not whether it could be done, but if it should be done.