Cartoonist Rick McKee of the Augusta Chronicle sends this global warming related cartoon our way today. It is set for tomorrow’s edition of the paper, dated 2/21 but we get a sneak peek. Thanks Rick!
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Just finished shoveling up to 4′ of global warming off my roof!
Great cartoon, but you need more snow to be real….
You shovel your roof. You must live where there is a lot of lake effect. One of my cousins does that, but she lives in Houghton Michigan.
Its not snow… its global warming particles!!!
Too many particles for me. Can we get Al Gore to start talking, that would melt all this sh*t.
I wish we could get some of that global warming here in California.
Now that’s funny!
We got 7″ of global warming on Monday and scheduled to get another 3″ tomorrow. In between we tied an all time low for February.
I am going to have a $450 electric bill and I would really like some global warming around here.
I see you get your bill weekly like me.
LoL !!!!
Aw, y’all must live someplace cold. Down here in the sunny, warm South where our children aren’t supposed to see snow already we have set a string of low temperature records — both low lows and low highs — over the last week. The last one I remember was 7 F Thursday evening (froze one of my pipes, which is still thawing as it hasn’t been over freezing since) compared to 13 F as the previous record back in 1979.
But then, this isn’t surprising. North Carolina has its own temperature records for the last century plus. Back to the late 19th century, NC’s mean temperature is absolutely flat. No warming, no cooling, although there are both warming and cooling spells visible in the record. Not even this cold stretch across February is “unprecedented”, it’s just comparatively rare.
Now consider — we are supposed to be very close to the peak global temperature “ever” experienced by the Earth. So as it is record-setting cold here and in parts of Europe right now, it must be even warmer elsewhere to compensate. But back in 1850, the only places we had really good thermometric records of temperatures were — Europe and the midwest-to-east Americas, precisely the place where we have lots of cold now.
Back then these places are used as proxies for extrapolation of their temperatures to the entire globe, because we had no reliable thermometers in the places that are much warmer now to compensate. But now, we have thermometers in those places.
IMO, this is a major source of error in all of the primary estimates of global temperature. This isn’t an “urban heat island” effect (which they already don’t correct for, or correct for so that it magically further warms the present relative to the past instead of the other way around). This is a “global sampling error” that puts more and more of the weight of past temperature estimates on a smaller and smaller sampled area of the global surface, relying on some sort of interpolating scheme to tell us what the temperature was across the entire Pacific ocean back when there was almost no mid-ocean traffic except for whalers or merchants following carefully defined sea lanes providing almost totally useless measurements of SST where measurements exist at all.
Suppose that global temperatures in the 1850’s were a mere 0.4 C warmer than e.g. HadCRUT4 asserts that they were (which is right at the bounds of its stated confidence interval, which IMO badly understates the actual probable error given that they don’t correct for either UHI or AFAICT the sparsity of samples for most of the globe back then). Then the total warming from 1850 to the present decreases from around 0.8 C to around 0.4 C, with present day probable errors of around 0.2 C. The entire case for “unprecedented” warming collapses, and the margin for CO_2 driven warming vs natural warming (which are completely mixed and coupled and hence non-separable in any view of the data in any event) shrinks substantially.
The NC data suggests that this is far from impossible. How, exactly, can it be the case that half of the high temperature records for an entire continent were set in a single decade (the 1930’s) but it is the 2010’s underway that are the warmest years ever? Why aren’t we setting new high temperature records all of the time? How is it that we are still setting low temperature records?
Two possibilities, of course. One very important one is that the range of supposed global warming — order of 0.5 to 1.0 C from 1850 to the present — is small compared to the year-to-year, day to day fluctuations in surface temperature measured anywhere on the planet. The temperature in NC today will vary from around 10 F (low temperature last night, a record low replacing 12 F set in 1959 but they haven’t gotten around to announcing it yet) to a high predicted to be 53 F tomorrow — a 20 C variation over two days. The range of high vs low temperatures for any given day is enormous. The low temperature record we just set is roughly 1 C colder than the coldest ever recorded here — and is just a bit larger than the ~1 C of supposed global warming from the early 1800s to the present (not observed in this state). The noise in normal weather/climate fluctuations still clearly exceeds the climactic global warming signal — whatever that signal might be. The second is that that signal, obscured in the noise that is at least 2-3 times larger if not more, might be small, and not large, as small or smaller than and possibly swamped by other secular warming or cooling trends that proceed more or less independent of CO_2 forcing. Our true ignorance of the past climate is profound, and very few locations on the globe have a thermometric record of warming from 1850 to the present, because very few locations around the globe had reliable thermometers, reliably sited, reliably measured, isolated from the effects of UHI back in 1850 through to the present, and those that there are cannot resolve a secular local climate shift unforced by CO_2 (caused, perhaps, by cutting down all of the trees and turning vast tracts of forest into farmland, caused by irrigation and the damming of rivers, caused by subtle shifts in the jet stream or variations in the patterns of things like ENSO) from “CO2 forced” local warming.
One cannot even get good agreement between proxy-derived estimates of global temperature from more than a century ago. Or rather, one can get good agreement — by selecting the proxies you wish to include in the estimate and rejecting the rest. If you simply take the proxy at face value, the signal descends into the noise. Somehow this never is properly reflected in the error estimate from the “selected” proxies.
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It looks like the House of Representatives will be holding hearings on the temperature adjustments NASA has been making – http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/20/republicans-to-investigate-climate-data-tampering-by-nasa/. Any chance you can talk your local congressperson into letting you share some of your insights as testimony before the Science, Space and Technology Committee when they hold the hearings? It would be brilliant if your comments were a part of the congressional record, available for all to see for posterity…
rgb…”How, exactly, can it be the case that half of the high temperature records for an entire continent were set in a single decade (the 1930’s)”
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be telling people the LIA ended in 1850
So I take it you are not a big fan of the whole idea of a global average temperature anomaly to begin with? That’s where I’m stuck; I think it’s a chimera and the attempt to fabricate one out of completely inadequate data leads to all kinds of absurdities.
I’ll have to finish this lengthy post later…my eyeballs are icing up.
But we all know climate change is “real” and that the CO2 causes all that cold and snow, just ask Obama. Do I really need the Sarc tag?
Smells like BO in the snow!
Good one, Rick — thanks for sharing!
And here is the back story … 😉
Panel 1: Al Gore dressed in his red parka with faux fur trim waddles out his front door and heads for the train station (to make a statement…. about …. about…… about how holy he is).
Panel 2: 2 hours later, still searching for the train station, Gore (having not taken a train since he was a little boy in Chattanooga when his Grandpa took him on the Cannonball Express Nostalgia Run) sees smoke. “The train!” Heads that direction.
Panel 3: 10 feet from above house, realizes his error and the above panel is Gore covering over his incompetence with an inherently ridiculous statement which he sees as very clever (and righteous, to boot).
…and, given that 18 people have died by freezing to death this week in Tennessee, if Gore is smart he’ll knock on the door and beg to come in and be warmed by the fire.
But the really funny thing is that all of the 24 or so people that have died from this single cold snap are, I am completely certain, going to be added to the epidemiological total number of people who have died from “Climate Change” by WHO, and that Climate Change will then miraculously be transmogrified into “Global Warming” by the media and the IPCC, so that in a couple of years they will form part of the argument that global warming is deadly and we must do some very expensive things about it.
Hard to capture this one in a cartoon, though. It really isn’t very funny.
rgb
Actually, a naturally warming world may indeed result in a deep dipping arctic loop in the jet stream. With a warmed East Pacific setting up a semi-permanent high just off the West Coast, the jet stream could become a resistant-to-change deep loop across the US, bringing arctic air into lower latitudes day after day, month after month, freezing rivers and lakes to the extent that ice jams build up and year round glaciers creep towards the land of the living. A naturally warming world does seem to precede an impending ice age. Does this mean it is necessary in order to trigger an ice age encroaching into the deeper reaches of the continental Americas?
hmmmmmm.
PG Actually, your reasoning forces one to wonder if you are inadvertently close to what happens. There are two things that come to mind. First, these ice ages seem to be rather localized, including North America, down to subtropical latitudes, Greenland, and extreme northwest Europe, including small areas of high elevation, such as the Alps. Second, your theory sounds something like the concern of the late 1950s and early 1960s that, once the Arctic Ocean completely melts, it would be a source of winter moisture, think Buffalo NY in the winter, eventually resulting in glacier buildup over what is now the Maritimes and areas across what is now the northern Hudson Bay basin. Hmmmmmm.
“First, these ice ages seem to be rather localized, including North America, down to subtropical latitudes, Greenland, and extreme northwest Europe, including small areas of high elevation, such as the Alps. Second”
Sorry, but no, ice ages are global. It gets colder and drier everywhere.
Though the ice does not go everywhere or even where one might expect it to be. During the last one much of Alaska was ice free. What I wonder is what the extent of the Arctic ice during the Wisconsin Glaciation looked like since even a good deal of the coast of Alaska was not under the ice sheet. Yes, I understand that the Arctic is sea ice and so such evidence must come from proxies such as drifted sediments and such. Just something that I have wondered about.
“During the last one much of Alaska was ice free.”
Most of Alaska and northeastern Siberia is too dry for glaciers to form, but the mountains of Southern Alaska and the Brooks Range were glaciated.
“What I wonder is what the extent of the Arctic ice during the Wisconsin Glaciation looked like since even a good deal of the coast of Alaska was not under the ice sheet.”
The Barents Sea and part of the Kara Sea were covered by a large icecap, the Laptev Sea (which is very shallow) was mostly steppe-tundra. Most of the Parry Archipelago and the shallow areas around Greenland were also covered by ice-caps. The deeper parts of the Arctic Ocean was covered by sea-ice, however at least the Norwegian Sea area was partially ice-free in summer.
The above applies to the LGM (maximum Wisconsin glaciation c. 20,000 years ago).
The majority of all atmospheric H2O vapor flows north/northeast from the equator and as the air temperature decreases it begins to fall as rain and then as snow.
Thus in glacial times, that moisture will only flow as far northward as the air temperature permits it to remain in suspension.
Like a Pacific storm blowing across the Rocky Mountains. The moisture therein will not make it very far past the Eastern slopes of the mountains.
And thus the reason the NE US is being subjected to blizzard conditions. The moisture flowing out of the Gulf is running into the subzero Arctic temperatures and “bingo”.
And that’s the very reason the LWG produced 1 mile thick ice atop of what is now NYC, Long Island and New England areas.
The Late Wisconsin Glacier (LWG) covered much of Long Island with ice up to 3,300 feet thick at 18,000 years BP when it stopped advancing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Sound
… or, even, maybe, advertently. Jeeze, the woman is pretty darned smart, and when one states a theory to explain what happens (which she did) it is usually the result of volitional behavior and not an accident.
And ice ages are not exactly “highly localized” in the sense that I think that you mean. Yes, the poles get much, much colder all the way down into what is currently the temperate zone, and the temperature zone is pushed south to what is now a subtropical zone, but the tropics themselves, while cooler, still remain pretty warm. Which is a good thing, as a true “snowball earth” event where the oceans freeze to the equator would be very, very difficult to reverse.
However, the Pliestocene record shows the low temperatures of the dominant glacial eras deepening pretty systematically and the span of glaciation vs interglacial lengthening to the current 100,000 year cycle and 10-12 C variation peak interglacial to trough of glaciation. That’s serious stuff, and not “local” by any stretch of the imagination. The overall oceans cooled enough in the Wisconsin that atmospheric CO_2 dropped to around 180 ppm, which is right at the mass extinction point where many plant species can no longer respire at this partial pressure. We do not know enough about the full CO_2 cycle to be able to explain this, or to understand the positive and negative feedbacks associated with it. What we do know is that atmospheric CO_2 is (or was) at or close to geological lows compared to almost the entire time that life has existed on Earth in the last interglacial, and that life is much, much happier at or above 400 ppm than it is at 200 ppm. Who knows, maybe we WILL moderate the next glacial episode. If so, it’s a good thing as a real glaciation would kill literally billions of people in almost no time, and trigger major global wars as the world’s breadbaskets no longer sustained the growing of e.g. wheat.
rgb
tty: no it gets colder AND is mixed with precipitable water vapor. Cold alone will not create an ice age. And you need the opposite of dry. You have to have a source of wet evaporated water vapor to create the building blocks of glaciers. The likely source of that water vapor is from a large warm body of water and an atmospheric circulation that brings that water vapor into contact with a cold Arctic loop.
Can I just point out that a warming world will always precede an Ice Age.
For any given period, say 100 years, the temperature will either be warming or cooling. If it’s cooling then it’s already descending into the Ice Age, so the only possible temperature trend before an Ice Age sets in is a warming trend. 😉
The longer term trend in a decent interglacial will be down before the final catastrophic cooling. (Just as it is now.)
@ur momisugly rgbatduke February 21, 2015 at 8:51 am
Maybe Pamela, but we 7 decaders have seen this all before. The news talks about “records” being set, but then they say “coldest in 30 years”. That’s hardly a record for many of us.
Course that “coldest in Washington in 125 years” looked cool. But still, coldest in 125 years – which infers it may have been colder in the late 1800’s when my great grand parents were roaming this continent in parkas. Well actually, exploration records of the time indicate it was much colder in general but there appears to be a lot of cold records in the 30’s when summers were hot. Mother Earth seems to make allowances.
Quel surprise.
This is now out of date but interesting.
https://suite.io/aurae-beidler/jmf2gg
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_temperature_extremes
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_cold_wave
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/coldest.php
I agree about the “maybe” part. However, to set up the pattern of glacial advance seen in the link below, you must admit that a semi-permanent deep jet stream loop must be at play. And the only way that would happen is if the Eastern Pacific is warm.
http://academics.smcvt.edu/vtgeographic/textbook/glaciers/Vermont_glaciers.htm
Hi, Pamela,
Long time no “connect.” You KNOW what I am wondering about. Any “news?”
Hope you are at peace about the situation, if not JOYFUL (as I long for for you).
Take care,
Janice
Wayne said:
“But still, coldest in 125 years – which infers it may have been colder in the late 1800’s …”
The “Late 1800s” is a time in which we were still in the Little Ice Age, a period which started roughly ~1200ad and lasted until about 1870, when this rather short period of recent warming actually began. We pretty much know for a fact most temps prelate 1800s were lower. The 1200-1900 period is marked by a couple of attempts at rising temperatures only to see a fall back down, sometimes farther than others.
That LIA period is something we may want to take another look into though, as it is a period of great drought in the Californiia area. Also, temps ~1400 seem to have rose to levels not that unlike more recent marks, then the LIA continued as if the spike was merely a tease.
The sun was unbelievably active the last ~100 years, and we saw steady cycling ocean activity. During the LIA though, the sun was quiet and there was an almost uninterrupted run of NegativeCycle/LaNina. Ice core temps show a 1000 year temp spike at ~2000, ~1000, ~0000, and even prior. Its possible these spikes are the result of a repeating sun activity event, activity which affects the ocean cycles, but outside of this repeating spike…
…we could still be in the Little Ice Age at this time.
And giant snows in eastern US because the northwestern Atlantic is warm.
The warm water in the northeast Atlantic cannot make snow alone. It needs to bump into the record setting cold.
Well, if you look at geological temperature records, you’d be right on that score. Accelerating ‘global warming’ triggers the next ice age fairly regularly each 100,000 years or so…..
Indeed hmmmm…. my understanding is a warming or cooling world becomes evident at the poles. If the world is cooling the increase in temperature CHANGE between equator and poles will result in increased wind speeds creating more unsettled weather. If the world is warming there is a reduction in temperature change between equator and poles reducing wind speeds and creating a more settled and equitable climate. I want global warming. Please. I’m too old for this cold.
How much CO2 is over the Pacific Ocean, and how much over and New York?
What is the relationship between CO2 and the stratospheric polar vortex?
It depends on which way the wind is blowing 😛
That’s easy. When its polar vortex cold you can see your exhaled CO2 ladened breath. But that’s about it as far as any kind of connection. The tiny amount of added human-sourced CO2 in the atmosphere cannot move a jet stream this way or that.
Did see an article once that showed the arctic ice free in summer during ice ages. Your idea may be close to the truth. The global warmanista’s keep preaching about the arctic warming, if it is true it is the beginning of the end for north america. Recent analysis of ice cores have shown abrupt drops in temperature in only a few years of 15C. Global warming is not and shall never be a problem.
Pamela
I think it was Lamb that noted that some years ago and it is reasonably easy to see in the old temp records
Hi Pamela,
Hope you are enjoying the GW outside — it’s up to 28 F here. My hot water line finally just unfroze for the first time in three days, so I can run the dishwasher, hooray! And I think it will be a bit of a race to see if its starts to precipitate today before or after it warms up to freezing, that is, whether or not the precip will start falling as solid onto hard frozen ground or liquid to melt the residual ice. I keep looking for snowflakes outside of my window.
I think part of the answer to your question comes from two things. One is the effect of fully freezing the great lakes — this actually reduces the local humidity in the NW to SE stream, and water vapor is the dominant GHG by a large factor, so nighttime cold temperatures plunge even without air movement in the uber-dry air, which maintains the snow and ice and provides the transition to snow when warmer wetter air comes up from the south as now is occurring and mixes in. This in turn provides a high albedo and large latent heat barrier and further stretches out the cold as we saw this week in NC.
But the more interesting question is what this is doing to SSTs in the Gulf Stream. As the jet stream carries these super-low temperatures out over the ocean, one expects the sea surface temperatures to drop. At the moment, the usual warm “plume” of the GS is all but absent in the SST color charts for the North Atlantic on WU, although SSTs still rise into the mid-60s a hundred miles off of the NC coast. There is a big open question as to just how stable the GS is and what sorts of alterations of surface temperature would suffice to cause the thermohaline forcings to “switch” it discretely to e.g. a mode where it curves around (say) 500 miles further south than it usually is when it hits Europe. That would put Greenland, Iceland, England, and all of Northern Europe into a stagnant model where equatorial heat is no longer transported up by the GS. This could in turn put the whole region even more into the deep freeze in winter for an extended period of time. One then would have the opportunity to find out just how strong the feedbacks are in the system — more heat would be confined to the tropics, but warming the tropics a small amount would have little effect on the local climate even as it increased the efficiency of global heat loss from the tropics. The heat not being transported north, however, would leave the north getting successively colder, and the possibility of a feedback loop emerges, where the colder the north gets, the colder and weaker the GS gets (and the further south it hits) and the warmer the equatorial waters get to compensate. More tropical moisture mixing with bitterly cold arctic air and one could get a positive feedback glacial refrigerator going.
There is some evidence that this is very close to what has happened several times in the comparatively recent past, inferred from the Greenland ice cores, which show very sudden transitions from warm/stable to rapid glaciation cold, transitions that are difficult to explain EXCEPT by discrete variations in heat transport, as atmospheric chemistry etc simply doesn’t vary that rapidly even with human help. This is one of several possible explanations for e.g. the Younger Dryas and/or the LIA. Thermohaline transport of oceanic heat is clearly one of the primary determinants of global climate and is one of the least predictable or understood. THT circulates all the way around the globe, a great immersed river of ocean water of varying salinity and temperature, rising here and plunging there, in a thousand year journey that eventually feeds the climate from decades and centuries ago into the changing climate state of today.
rgb
“But the more interesting question is what this is doing to SSTs in the Gulf Stream.” Since the heat content of the ocean greatly exceeds that of the atmosphere, I would suggest the colder air mass is exerting a very very small affect on the Gulf Stream.
Forgive me Robert Frost
Some say the world will end in fire
Some say in ice
But neither group will prove a liar
It ends in ice that follows fire
And so the world will perish twice
A strange dichotomy of fate
For in destruction fire and ice
Apart are great
And would suffice
Eugene WR Gallun
Is dipping jet stream strong negative feedback mechanism? There is lots of land in northern hemisphere. If jet stream dips more of this land is covered in snow for longer periods of time hence we have more albedo.
OOPS …… lost that “>” on the above blockquote.
That is the “above blockquote” @ur momisugly http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/20/friday-funny-east-coast-frozen-blizzard-edition/#comment-1865935
Possible 18 inches of global warming coming to Boulder Colorado tomorrow
Yikes!
Is that Boston’s ‘big dig results’ in the distance?
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Funny!
I recall that there was (is?) a law in Missoula, Montana against fireplace use. I don’t recollect the details, but apparently they had squads of students, activists, and other busybodies prowling the streets to detect miscreants. I know they have a smog problem there, but really… (Anyone have the skinny on this?)
inMAGICn, Missoula sits inside a narrow, deep valley enclosed on all sides by high mountains. Each winter, Arctic air incursions frequently fill the valley with cold air, causing inversions which persists for several weeks, several times each winter. These conditions trap fine particulates. The city has restricted wood burning whenever the particulate count exceeds certain preset limits for at least 30 years. When I lived there during the 80’s, during periods when particulate counts were high, wood burning was allowed only using high efficiency wood stoves. (Old fashioned, dirty wood stoves were not restricted during periods of low particulate counts.) Enforcement was accomplished simply by observance of visible smoke issuing from chimneys resulting in a ticket.
Nowadays, only EPA certified wood stoves are granted installation permits.
The concern was/is only emission of particulates, not of CO2.
SR
Thanks Steve. In the 80’s I was going between Spokane and Anaconda and got the info from local news,. I knew it was particulates, but I still had that frisson thinking of smoke patrols and chimney police. I did HAZMAT at the time and knew the basic reasons, but still…
Global Warming is not Global Warming. {A is not A}
Thus we have the new theory of logic for the observationally challenged scientists looking for extending their grant flow.
That depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.
Tom in Florida,
: )
‘is’ = not ‘is’
To ‘is’ or not to ‘is’ that is the question.
John
A.E. Van Vogt: “The World of Null-A.”
‘A’ focused R us.
John
I’m just glad that the thermal insulating blanket in the ceiling / walls of my residence managed to “trap” some heat back in December…. Turned the furnace on once on Christmas day and filled the house with enough “trapped” heat to last the whole winter…. And boy oh boy did I save a bundle on heating costs…
“Trapping Heat” try it, it’s not just for climate scientists anymore…..
I’m just afraid that I won’t be able to “shoo” all that of that trapped heat out of the house come June, maybe a bunch of solar powered fans will do the trick ???
/sarc off
Cheers, KevinK
I keep about 0.06% of the air in my house c02. It is great at trapping heat, cuts my electricy cost in half.
I may be overly political but here is a verse as if sung by Obama: (to the tune of “please release, let me go”)
Climate change our biggest threat,
If worse, I will break out a sweat.
Global Governance, you bet!
My war on King Coal not over yet.
And here is the whole song: http://lenbilen.com/2015/02/18/verse-25-of-the-impeachment-song-climate-change-and-the-end-of-capitalism/
Nice lyrics, lenbilan. Here’s my effort (to the tune of Greg Lake’s ‘I believed in Father Christmas’:
They said that the world was warming / They said we were gonna fry / Take heed of your carbon footprint / Repent for the end is nigh
And I believed in Global Warming / I fell for a big fat lie / But listen up folks / It’s only a hoax / A joke and a pig in a poke.
BO could decree a shutting of fire places? “Big” Co2 emitter.
Attn: Mr. R. McKee
You can expect to hear from Mr. Bill Nye, the science guy, correcting you in your use of the term “Global Warming” … with weather this cold, he’ll tell you that the term to use is “climate change” … can’t have us peasants getting the wrong idea ….
That just convinces me, yet again, that we skeptics should agree to standardise on the use of the term “global warming”. Doesn’t that just emphasise the stupidity, every time we hear it?
Peasant? It’s peon, Leon.
Fire and Ice
In Gov’t Speak
is Doom and Doom
John
Yes! in a nutshell. (+1k) and perhaps a movie title:
Doom And Doomer
🙂
And the documentary by Hansen and starring Brian Williams as narrator will be:
‘Doomed @ur momisugly Climate Armageddon by Some Fossilized Stuff’
John
Some people just don’t get it. Oh well, nothing new.
Nice.
I am trying to imagine next winter.
Average planetary temperature drops 0.2C, there is media discussion concerning the drop in temperature. Same winter pattern in the US as this winter, record cold temperatures and record snowfall.
Congressional investigation finds evidence of widespread temperature and sea level data tampering. Sea level has been dropping. There are whistleblowers. Unlike the IRS investigation the I decline to answer the question as the answer might be incriminating will not fly.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/republicans-investigate-climate-data-tampering-162137766.html
Republicans To Investigate Climate Data Tampering By NASA
(Come on man. If there has been tampering of the climate data and sea level data the Democrats will/should be interested also.)
According to the NOAA state-by-state sortable graph page, most US States have been seeing steadily declining temps since between 1998-2002 – and some of these drops have been rather large
Has that stopped anyone from implying temps have been rising in the US over that entire time? Has a single one of them even pointed this trend out?
In other words, I wouldn’t hold my breath on a honesty awakening
USCRN has bought the warming tampering of USHCN under control.
USCRN is cooling at about -0.4F/decade,
And almost miraculously, USHCN matches it almost precisely. 😉 (ie major fiddling now, but to match USCRN)
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperature-index/time-series?datasets%5B%5D=uscrn&datasets%5B%5D=cmbushcn¶meter=anom-tmin&time_scale=p12&begyear=2005&endyear=2015&month=12
Of course I care if my fireplace is contributing to global warming. I’m hoping it does.
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/national/siberian-express-in-eastern-us-continues-into-next-week/article_c8426e71-4a63-57d6-8e07-896b14b4c405.html
Ha ha!
Love is in the air
Everywhere I look[s] around
Love is in the air
Every sight[s] and every sound[s]
And I don’t know if I’m being foolish
Don’t know if I’m being wise
But it’s something that I must believe in [AGW, or Tomás de Torquemada at UN IPCC Will Have a Shit Fit]
And it’s there when I look[s] in[to] your eyes [and I realize….]
Love is in the air
In the whisper of the trees
Love is in the air
In the thunder of the sea[s]
And I don’t know if I’m just dreaming
Don’t know if I feel sane
But it’s something that I must believe in
And it’s there when you call out my name [1-800-…]
(Chorus)
Love is in the air [What is the foul Smells?]
Oh oh oh
Love is in the air [Does Hes must keep on saying that foul verses?]
Oh oh oh
[trimmed]
Ha ha
We have met a person who works for an air regulator in our state who has spent the last several years working hard to outlaw fireplaces for “air quality”. Now the interesting thing is their focus is ONLY fireplaces, in the winter time. When asked about possibly regulating fire pits in the summer time (which impact the air quality far worse, at least in our local area, they say their only concern are fireplaces and wood stoves. Seems a bit odd that only that which allows a form of energy independence and back up in cases of thermal emergency draws this person’s ire and attention, while that which creates the actual problem of air quality does not.
I’m not saying anything here, but then again maybe I am.
We have the same do-gooders here. They think a few fireplace fires are a bigger threat than millions of cars on local freeways.
Before civilization, there were constant fires that never went out. There are still coal seam fires that burn 24/7/365/century. But homeowners who would like to have a cheerful fire on a cold night are demonized.
It’s the same mind-set that wants to ban plastic bags at grocery stores. IMHO they should be put in straitjackets and locked up for their own good.
the bag bans are a laugh
so we just go BUY bin liners insead of recycling the others. stops/saves exactly?? ZERO
and those woven nylon ones? far more plastic weight and while they disintegrate I doubt the residues very gaia friendly..it turns to dust that goes everywhere.
Unless he’s burning coal in that fireplace… that red suit cartoon guy must be from GreenPeace where they don’t understand the carbon cycle.