The Guardian's Suzanne Goldenberg jumps the shark again – gets called out by NYT

The wailing today is that the collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet has already begun.

Guardian_antarctic_collapse

It’s pretty bad when other environmental reporters start calling you out on it, such as NYT’s Andrew Revkin did today. 

Yes, a slow affair indeed. Truly an abuse of the headline. Buried below the headline in the article, there is agreement with Revkin:

But the researchers said that even though such a rise could not be stopped, it is still several centuries off, and potentially up to 1,000 years away.

A lot can happen in several centuries, why even in the last couple of years Antarctic has seen  record levels on Antarctic sea ice.

And the temperature isn’t cooperating either:

RSS Southern Polar Temperature Lower Troposphere (TLT) – 1979 to Present for the area where sea ice forms (60 to 70S)

Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) – Microwave Sounding Units (MSU) – Click the pic to view at source

[previous graph removed – wrong latitude span and no replacement, my mistake -Anthony]

 

UPDATE: Revkin gives more reasoning on “collapse” here:

Consider Clashing Scientific and Societal Meanings of ‘Collapse’ When Reading Antarctic Ice News

 

Here is the paper the claim is based on:

Widespread, rapid grounding line retreat of Pine Island, Thwaites, Smith and Kohler glaciers, West Antarctica from 1992 to 2011.

Abstract

We measure the grounding line retreat of glaciers draining the Amundsen Sea Embayment of West Antarctica using Earth Remote Sensing (ERS-1/2) satellite radar interferometry from 1992 to 2011. Pine Island Glacier retreated 31 km at its center, with most retreat in 2005–2009 when the glacier un-grounded from its ice plain. Thwaites Glacier retreated 14 km along its fast-flow core and 1 to 9 km along the sides. Haynes Glacier retreated 10 km along its flanks. Smith/Kohler glaciers retreated the most, 35 km along its ice plain, and its ice shelf pinning points are vanishing. These rapid retreats proceed along regions of retrograde bed elevation mapped at a high spatial resolution using a mass conservation technique (MC) that removes residual ambiguities from prior mappings. Upstream of the 2011 grounding line positions, we find no major bed obstacle that would prevent the glaciers from further retreat and draw down the entire basin.

And here is the press release from AGU:

New study indicates loss of West Antarctic glaciers appears unstoppable

12 May 2014

Joint Release

WASHINGTON, D.C. — A new study finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.

The study presents multiple lines of evidence, incorporating 40 years of observations that indicate the glaciers in the Amundsen Sea sector of West Antarctica “have passed the point of no return,” according to glaciologist and lead author Eric Rignot, of the University of California Irvine and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California. The new study has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.

These glaciers already contribute significantly to sea level rise, releasing almost as much ice into the ocean annually as the entire Greenland Ice Sheet. They contain enough ice to raise global sea level by 4 feet (1.2 meters) and are melting faster than most scientists had expected. Rignot said these findings will require an upward revision to current predictions of sea level rise.

“This sector will be a major contributor to sea level rise in the decades and centuries to come,” Rignot said. “A conservative estimate is it could take several centuries for all of the ice to flow into the sea.”

A photo of Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica taken by NASA Operation IceBridge. A new study finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea. Credit: NASA

Three major lines of evidence point to the glaciers’ eventual demise: the changes in their flow speeds, how much of each glacier floats on seawater, and the slope of the terrain they are flowing over and its depth below sea level. In a paper published in Geophysical Research Letters in April, Rignot’s research group discussed the steadily increasing flow speeds of these glaciers over the past 40 years. This new study examines the other two lines of evidence.

The glaciers flow out from land to the ocean, with their leading edges afloat on the seawater. The point on a glacier where it first loses contact with land is called the grounding line. Nearly all glacier melt occurs on the underside of the glacier beyond the grounding line, on the section floating on seawater.

Just as a grounded boat can float again on shallow water if it is made lighter, a glacier can float over an area where it used to be grounded if it becomes lighter, which it does by melting or by the thinning effects of the glacier stretching out. The Antarctic glaciers studied by Rignot’s group have thinned so much they are now floating above places where they used to sit solidly on land, which means their grounding lines are retreating inland.

“The grounding line is buried under a thousand or more meters of ice, so it is incredibly challenging for a human observer on the ice sheet surface to figure out exactly where the transition is,” Rignot said. “This analysis is best done using satellite techniques.”

The team used radar observations captured between 1992 and 2011 by the European Earth Remote Sensing (ERS-1 and -2) satellites to map the grounding lines’ retreat inland. The satellites use a technique called radar interferometry, which enables scientists to measure very precisely — within less than a quarter of an inch — how much Earth’s surface is moving. Glaciers move horizontally as they flow downstream, but their floating portions also rise and fall vertically with changes in the tides. Rignot and his team, which includes researchers from UC Irvine and JPL, mapped how far inland these vertical motions extend to locate the grounding lines.

The Amundsen Sea glacier beds are below sea level, so that as the grounding lines retreat, the water below the floating ice shelves gets deeper rather than shallower. This image shows the beds of Thwaites and Haynes glaciers, with colors indicating depth. The large blue area under Thwaites Glacier is almost three-quarters of a mile (1,200 meters) below sea level. The broken lines at the front of the glacier show how the grounding line has retreated over 19 years; red is the 1992 grounding line, and black is the line's position in 2011. Credit: NASA

The accelerating flow speeds and retreating grounding lines reinforce each other. As glaciers flow faster, they stretch out and thin, which reduces their weight and lifts them farther off the bedrock. As the grounding line retreats and more of the glacier becomes waterborne, there’s less resistance underneath, so the flow accelerates.

Slowing or stopping these changes requires pinning points — bumps or hills rising from the glacier bed that snag the ice from underneath. To locate these points, researchers produced a more accurate map of bed elevation that combines ice velocity data from ERS-1 and -2 and ice thickness data from NASA’s Operation IceBridge mission and other airborne campaigns. The results confirm no pinning points are present upstream of the present grounding lines in five of the six glaciers. Only Haynes Glacier has major bedrock obstructions upstream, but it drains a small sector and is retreating as rapidly as the other glaciers.

The bedrock topography is another key to the fate of the ice in this basin. All the glacier beds slope deeper below sea level as they extend farther inland. As the glaciers retreat, they cannot escape the reach of the ocean, and the warm water will keep melting them even more rapidly.

The accelerating flow rates, lack of pinning points and sloping bedrock all point to one conclusion, Rignot said.

“The collapse of this sector of West Antarctica appears to be unstoppable,” he said. “The fact that the retreat is happening simultaneously over a large sector suggests it was triggered by a common cause, such as an increase in the amount of ocean heat beneath the floating sections of the glaciers. At this point, the end of this sector appears to be inevitable.”

Because of the importance of this part of West Antarctica, NASA’s Operation IceBridge will continue to monitor its evolution closely during this year’s Antarctica deployment, which begins in October. IceBridge uses a specialized fleet of research aircraft and the most sophisticated suite of science instruments ever assembled to characterize changes in thickness of glaciers, ice sheets and sea ice.

For additional images and video related to this new finding, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/1m6YZSf

For additional information on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and its potential contribution to sea level rise, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/1oIfSlO

For more information on Operation IceBridge, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/icebridge

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John Boles
May 12, 2014 2:41 pm

It might be worse than we thought, well maybe in the distant future, our models suggest that it could happen perhaps in 1000 years.

Justthinkin
May 12, 2014 2:49 pm

So what’s the problem? She writes a piece full of BS,gets paid,and doesn’t give a hoot about what others say. Until you take away her paycheck,same old,same old. And scientific or un-scientific facts will not stop that. And just what the heck is “several centuries” or a thousand years? To me,several could be 20,000years from now.

Martin C
May 12, 2014 2:51 pm

I think it’s great to see these extremely ‘alarmist’ headlines, followed by a bit less alarmist in the text. People will continue to see the ‘alarmism’ for what it is. And likely continued to get turned off by it. Especially when the same ‘journalists’ keep printing this crap.

Peter Miller
May 12, 2014 2:53 pm

The Guardian is the ecoloons’ bible, so it can say old BS -and it does – and instantly it will become true. However, there are a few climate scientists who are genuinely embarrassed by its obsession with repeatedly trumpeting fantasy as fact.

pablo an ex pat
May 12, 2014 2:53 pm

So in two alarmist stories reported during the space of on one day on WUWT the Antarctic is getting colder and warmer all at the same time. It’s both gaining ice and it’s losing ice. And both these occurrences are issues that needs us to do something right now. What exactly ?

Ed P
May 12, 2014 2:53 pm

Yellowstone could explode or meteors might wipe out most of humanity before the sea rises that much. All that is certain is that governments will steal your savings long before you need a boat.

Latitude
May 12, 2014 2:55 pm

I say encourage them to do more……….
but of course, this is just the opinion of a racist, homophobe……………/SNARK!

heysuess
May 12, 2014 2:56 pm
May 12, 2014 2:57 pm

You mean I just set my hair on fire for NOTHING!?!?!
Stupid alarmism.. gets me every time.
😀

Paul Matthews
May 12, 2014 2:58 pm

Well done Revkin. I wonder if any climate scientists will show the same integrity.

Paul Coppin
May 12, 2014 3:04 pm

This story is right off the Associated Press feed apparently. CBC in Canader, eh, did a big online expose… http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/huge-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapsing-1.2639989

May 12, 2014 3:04 pm

This is unbelievable there are three current ‘west Antarctic Ice sheet collapse ‘ stories running on yahoo . and on the day that the Antarctic sea ice reached record levels.
Conspiracy of the media ….nah just damn lies.
Funny if you ask me

May 12, 2014 3:08 pm

Maybe she was talking about the collapse of CAGW credibility???

May 12, 2014 3:09 pm

The great climate wolf is at the door.
It will huff and puff until you pay the tax.
Little boy Mann howls along with the wolf.
Into selected pockes will your lifes work flow.
The tax man comes, the tax man goes.
Into whose pockets we all need to know.

Mike H
May 12, 2014 3:11 pm

But they used computer simulations!!! They’re always right!!!!

Latitude
May 12, 2014 3:11 pm

Curbing emissions from fossil fuels to slow climate change will probably not halt the melting but it – could – slow the speed of the problem, Rignot said.
…you would think that first they would have to make a connection that fossil fuels had anything to do with it at all

Dumb Observation
May 12, 2014 3:15 pm

I wonder if someone will call out Alan Boyle of NBC News, his headline is twice as alarming, like an earthquake has happened and there is a tsunami warning in effect:
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-antarctic-ice-sheets-collapse-triggers-sea-level-warning-n103221

pokerguy
May 12, 2014 3:17 pm

When the President of the U.S. can with impunity, stand in front of the American people and tell easily exposed lies. such as the earth has warmed faster in the last decade than even the most dire predictions…(or words to that effect)…something pretty terrible is going on. This A,P. reporter can jump sharks every day of the week and twice on sundays, and it won’t matter.
I don’t know what the cure is….hell, I don’t even know what the disease is exactly.

May 12, 2014 3:17 pm

There was a “CLIMATE CHANGE” discussion on FOX News today where some Democrat woman rolled out the “97% Consensus” and labeled it GOSPEL…. I can’t afford to replace my TV so I didn’t throw anything at it.

Scute
May 12, 2014 3:19 pm

She’s got her facts totally wrong anyway. This from my NASA news release on the paper:
“A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.”
This rapidly melting SECTION of the ice sheet is “in the Armundsen Sea Sector of West Antarctica”. It constitutes a tiny part of the WA ice sheet and concerns four glaciers in that small region. More detail on the relevant NASA page here (including maps and diagrams):
http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/earth/antarctica-telecon20140512/#.U3FF3pK9K0c
It is true that this small area is said to be set to disgorge a lot of ice by the time these glaciers have outflowed in the manner suggested by the paper and that belies the small area they cover. However the sea level increase they will give rise to is 1.2 metres, not “nearly 4 metres”. This is explained clearly in the news release:
“These glaciers already contribute significantly to sea level rise, releasing almost as much ice into the ocean annually as the entire Greenland Ice Sheet. They contain enough ice to raise global sea level by 4 feet (1.2 meters) and are melting faster than most scientists had expected. Rignot said these findings will require an upward revision to current predictions of sea level rise.”
Presumably it’s stated just as clearly in the paper itself. So it seems that not only is the Guardian signalling imminent collapse but collapse of the entire West Antarctic ice sheet when the paper says nothing of the sort. Does The Guardian have no shame at all?

Michael D
May 12, 2014 3:20 pm

So the Pollard and Rignot quotes in the NYT article say: Over all, the loss of the West Antarctic ice from warming is appearing “more likely a definite thing to worry about on a thousand-year time scale but not a hundred years,” Dr. Pollard said…. [Rignot] said. “It happened many times before when the Earth was as warm as it is about to be.
Note the words “more likely a definite thing” and “as warm as it is about to be.” So this is all speculation.

May 12, 2014 3:22 pm

Isn’t this about a floating ice sheet? How is a floating ice sheet melting going to raise sea levels? Am I missing something?

Steve from Rockwood
May 12, 2014 3:22 pm

They should send a ship of climate scientists to the Antarctic to verify the story. What could go wrong?

May 12, 2014 3:22 pm

pokerguy
Not a disease, it is a liars cult.
You must lie your way in.
Yet like the Hotel Califorina.
You can once in, only lie more,
and never leave the shelter of the cult.

SIGINT EX
May 12, 2014 3:24 pm

Dueling propaganda machines from UW, NASA, UCI and JPL feeding MSM.
The biggest “impact” of the papers will be to get a Union Session at the next AGU Fall Meeting with more Press/Propaganda grinding out 1950s-stype movie sci fi headlines with a secondary impact on the FY15 funding cycle at NSF polar programs.
Ha

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