Claim: 'Emitting greenhouse-gases could start uncontrollable ice-melt'

From the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), home of Schnellenhuber.

Uncorking East Antarctica yields unstoppable sea-level rise

The melting of a rather small ice volume on East Antarctica’s shore could trigger a persistent ice discharge into the ocean, resulting in unstoppable sea-level rise for thousands of years to come. This is shown in a study now published in Nature Climate Change by scientists from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK). The findings are based on computer simulations of the Antarctic ice flow using improved data of the ground profile underneath the ice sheet.

“East Antarctica’s Wilkes Basin is like a bottle on a slant,” says lead-author Matthias Mengel, “once uncorked, it empties out.” The basin is the largest region of marine ice on rocky ground in East Antarctica. Currently a rim of ice at the coast holds the ice behind in place: like a cork holding back the content of a bottle. While the air over Antarctica remains cold, warming oceans can cause ice loss on the coast. Ice melting could make this relatively small cork disappear – once lost, this would trigger a long term sea-level rise of 300-400 centimeters. “The full sea-level rise would ultimately be up to 80 times bigger than the initial melting of the ice cork,” says co-author Anders Levermann.

“Until recently, only West Antarctica was considered unstable, but now we know that its ten times bigger counterpart in the East might also be at risk,” says Levermann, who is head of PIK’s research area Global Adaptation Strategies and a lead-author of the sea-level change chapter of the most recent scientific assessment report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, IPCC. This report, published in late September, projects Antarctica’s total sea level contribution to be up to 16 centimeters within this century. “If half of that ice loss occurred in the ice-cork region, then the discharge would begin. We have probably overestimated the stability of East Antarctica so far,” says Levermann.

Emitting greenhouse-gases could start uncontrollable ice-melt

Melting would make the grounding line retreat – this is where the ice on the continent meets the sea and starts to float. The rocky ground beneath the ice forms a huge inland sloping valley below sea-level. When the grounding line retreats from its current position on a ridge into the valley, the rim of the ice facing the ocean becomes higher than before. More ice is then pushed into the sea, eventually breaking off and melting. And the warmer it gets, the faster this happens.

Complete ice discharge from the affected region in East Antarctica takes five thousand to ten thousand years in the simulations. However, once started, the discharge would slowly but relentlessly continue until the whole basin is empty, even if climate warming stopped. “This is the underlying issue here”, says Matthias Mengel. “By emitting more and more greenhouse gases we might trigger responses now that we may not be able to stop in the future.” Such extensive sea level rise would change the face of planet Earth – coastal cities such as Mumbai, Tokyo or New York are likely to be at risk.

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Article: Mengel, M., Levermann, A. (2014): Ice plug prevents irreversible discharge from East Antarctica. Nature Climate Change (online) [DOI: 10.1038/NCLIMATE2226]

Weblink to the article: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2226.html

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Meanwhile…back in reality

Antarctic Sea Ice Blows Away Records In April

By Paul Homewood

Antarctic sea ice continues to set new records, with extent in April at the highest since measurements began in 1979.

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http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html

Ice extent has also been above last year’s already high levels for most of this year.

 

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http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html

Meanwhile, both GISS surface and UAH satellite datasets show the Antarctic has been much colder than usual recently.

 

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http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean_gen=03&year1=2014&year2=2014&base1=1981&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob

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May 5, 2014 9:03 am

Good juxtaposition. –AGF

Frank K.
May 5, 2014 9:05 am

This line has my vote for the most stupid statement made by a climate scientist in 2014…

Complete ice discharge from the affected region in East Antarctica takes five thousand to ten thousand years in the simulations. However, once started, the discharge would slowly but relentlessly continue until the whole basin is empty, even if climate warming stopped. “This is the underlying issue here”, says Matthias Mengel. “By emitting more and more greenhouse gases we might trigger responses now that we may not be able to stop in the future.” Such extensive sea level rise would change the face of planet Earth – coastal cities such as Mumbai, Tokyo or New York are likely to be at risk.

I marvel at the COMPLETE disconnect these people have with reality. [sigh]

Latitude
May 5, 2014 9:06 am

…now we’re back to CO2 is going to continue to heat the planet until it catches on fire

Peter Dunford
May 5, 2014 9:09 am

Three to four metres of sea level rise over 5000 years. Thats a disaster!

John Peter
May 5, 2014 9:09 am

Who would publish this in face of reality other than Nature?

May 5, 2014 9:13 am

And if an asteroid the size of Texas were to strike, we would have global ice melt as well! Before we froze over again.

May 5, 2014 9:14 am

So many conditional statements, all weak links in a paper chain like you made in grade school. It would get a failing grade in logic 101.
Very sad people are making money dreaming up such carp….

Steve Oregon
May 5, 2014 9:25 am

Meanwhile…back in reality
So the real danger is the piling up of ice causing Antarctica to tip over?
For the sake of humanity (and various critters) someone please alert the President!

May 5, 2014 9:26 am

I have read BAD science fiction that had better logic chains than this sleep aid.

Kaboom
May 5, 2014 9:31 am

Not really necessary to read after it’s clear he’s working at Schellnhuber’s PIK. They make Dana & Co. look like scientists.

dipchip
May 5, 2014 9:33 am

‘Houston, we have another dumbass problem’

SineWave
May 5, 2014 9:36 am

“By emitting more and more greenhouse gases we might trigger responses now that we may not be able to stop in the future”. I wish I had a nickel for every weasel word written in alarmist studies, I’d be rich….

May 5, 2014 9:38 am

Steve Oregon says:
May 5, 2014 at 9:25 am
For the sake of humanity (and various critters) someone please alert the President!

…and that would be so he could have it hauled into a conference room where he could talk it to death?

Tom J
May 5, 2014 9:39 am

“East Antarctica’s Wilkes Basin is like a bottle on a slant,” says lead-author Matthias Mengel, “once uncorked, it empties out.”
Excuse me, Matthias, may I inform you that there are lots and lots of bottles that don’t require corks. May I surmise that this research could be interpreted as the result of either having to much familiarity, or only having familiarity, with bottles that do require corks.

pat
May 5, 2014 9:40 am

Wonder what Tokyo will be like 5,000 years from now? Or ten.
Or it may be silly speculation based on a model of facts not in evidence, as the area in question has actually been getting colder for 55 years.

Cold in Wisconsin
May 5, 2014 9:40 am

Will the melting ice keep the ocean from boiling for a few years at least?

SineWave
May 5, 2014 9:41 am

Ok, this may not be entirely appropriate, but every time I read one of these alarmist studies I can’t help but think that climate scientists are turning into cheesy salesman, like this guy in this clip from the movie “Napoleon Dynamite” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJZPaQtzOAI

dipchip
May 5, 2014 9:48 am

Your update on Antarctica ice extent plus much more.
http://www.climatenerd.com/antarctic-sea-ice-stats.php

May 5, 2014 9:53 am

The fact that it is -60C in Antarctica seems to have been left out of this press release, someone forgot to mention it, clearly…

urederra
May 5, 2014 9:54 am

Published on the Journal of Hollywood Physics, where everything is computer simulated.

Marlo Lewis
May 5, 2014 9:54 am

Touché, Anthony!
Three to four meters of sea-level rise over 5,000-10,000 years. So in the worst case, they’re predicting an extra 4 meters in 5,000 years — i.e. 3.1 inches per century. At the low end (3 meters in 10,000 years), they’re predicting an extra 1.2 inches per century. Clearly, these “impacts” will overwhelm the adaptive capabilities of civilizations far more advanced than we can imagine.

Anoneumouse
May 5, 2014 9:55 am

ve haf vays of being a dumbass, ‘dummkopf’

SIGINT EX
May 5, 2014 10:01 am

No need to bother with this paper (The Creature From The Potsdam Institute).
Thanks for the warning (and reality snapshots).
Ha ha
😉

dp
May 5, 2014 10:01 am

Makes you wonder how such a delicate little flower could have formed in the first place. Not only that, but how it can have done it multiple times. And then you have to wonder why the feedbacks are not taking advantage of our CO2 largesse and causing the very melt this paper says “could” happen.
Unless they publish their data and level of certainty they need to be defunded and removed from consideration of future funding. That goes for any “they” that can’t explain why something that “could” happen isn’t.

richard
May 5, 2014 10:04 am

when i emit a green house gas it leads to uncontrollable laughing.

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