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Aphan
January 6, 2014 1:05 pm
Did those penguins give you permission to use their likeness on your blog? If not, you’d better expect a strongly worded (and completely clueless) email from the Australiasiantarctican International Association of Animals who live in really cold places any moment now….:)
Damian,
The evidence of continental ice decreasing is dubious at best.
empiricist
January 6, 2014 2:00 pm
In 2000, The Independent reported that
“Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past”
I wonder if that was part of the “scientific consensus?” http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Britain’s winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.
Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain’s culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.
DiggerUK
January 6, 2014 2:00 pm
Is the Costa Concordia ready for Arctic duties yet?
I hear the quarters are amongst the best available for scientists.
…_
Vieras
January 6, 2014 2:05 pm
I visited a glacier some years ago. It was melting and with the current speed it would be gone pretty soon. My friends thought that it was becuase of co2. I can’t blame them for thinking that. It’s really hard to step back and look at the big picture. That same glacier had been melting and shrinking for more than 200 years, so it is absolutely normal that it still was. It had nothing to do with co2.
Turney makes a comment on Nature. He calls the Russian ship an “icebreaker”.
“Sitting in the ship’s lounge of the Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis, safe with friends and colleagues and heading back to civilization, I can say it has been a remarkable journey.
For the past six weeks on board the Russian icebreaker MV Akademik Shokalskiy, my colleague Chris Fogwill and I have led a team of scientists, science communicators and volunteers on a voyage from the New Zealand subantarctic islands to the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. The aim was to study various aspects of this vast, remote region to better understand its role in the Earth system, and communicate these results directly to the public. Yet most people only became aware of our work when we got stuck and had to be rescued.” http://www.nature.com/news/this-was-no-antarctic-pleasure-cruise-1.14466
I ‘m sure he’s in deep doodoo and it playing a game of CYA.
James of the West
January 6, 2014 2:26 pm
The glaciers and land ice have been melting because we are in an interglacial period. The rate of melt is not changing much – we know this because of the rate of change of sea levels is relatively linear (since argo at least).
When sea level trend is flat or reducing for a few decades we are probably having a mini ice age and if that continues for a few hundred decades then it is an ice age and the interglacial is ended.
Until the interglacial is finished the ice is going to continue to melt. Don’t Panic.
Pedantic old Fart
January 6, 2014 2:26 pm
History, facts and logic do not impact on true believers of any religion.
I love the helicopter producing the CO2 CO2 CO2 CO2. LOL. Brilliant!
DCA
January 6, 2014 2:33 pm
Turney says:
“Since news of our plight raced around the world, I have been surprised by the level of criticism our scientific expedition has received. This was no pleasure cruise.”
What about his family? The non-climate science PHD students?
Scarface
January 6, 2014 2:34 pm
Damian says: January 6, 2014 at 1:29 pm
“Frank, Sea ice yes, but land ice has been decreasing.”
Ok, so when and where would that have been melting then? Where was all that heat coming from?
Would you please give coordinates for a 10,000 km^2 area where any significant decrease occured? And when was that?
Tom J
January 6, 2014 2:40 pm
My understanding is that we’re not allowed to drill in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge because the delicate caribou will be fatally disrupted by the presence of an oil well on about 1/10% of the land. Now, the caribou can deal with mosquitoes that extract one pint of blood a day out of them (whew, that’s gotta be itchy), and summertime temperatures that can occasionally climb in excess of 80 degrees (thus the mosquitoes), but they’re obviously more delicate than those sturdy penguins that have to deal with boatloads of trapped, ignorant ecotourists, and moronic climate scientists, along with multiple ice breakers to rescue them. Could it be that those caribou haven’t developed the same sense of derision to our ecowarriors that the penguins in the above photo have?
heard a proAGW talking head on the bbc radio5 today ” …………ah but you see what happened was ….this sheet of ice which the ship got stuck in was “old ice”…….it was v close to the land u see,so the unusually strong winds blew back off the ridge & doubled the ice over to twice its usual thickness…..it was a “weather” event see, nothing to do with lack of warming,,,,” (ie wrong kind of ice) ps the dog ate my homework………
Did those penguins give you permission to use their likeness on your blog? If not, you’d better expect a strongly worded (and completely clueless) email from the Australiasiantarctican International Association of Animals who live in really cold places any moment now….:)
HEH! “I’m Professor Turney!”
Meanwhile…the Antarctic sea ice extent continues to run WELL above 2 std dev above the 1981 – 2000 average…
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
Meanwhile in the real world we still don’t know if it is a boy or a girl.
http://www.martingrund.de/pinguine/pinguincam2.htm#1
Penguin suits remind of other classic bygone comedians
“that’s another fine mess you got us into Turney”
I can’t help myself any longer … I know the gents name but it keeps coming through my head as Professor Turkey.
Frank,
Sea ice yes, but land ice has been decreasing.
Emperor penguins bow to noone. They respond with haughty derision to those that deny their ice world.
Boy or a girl? In the Liberal-Greentard world, they are completely interchangeable!
The amounts of ice on land or sea are not static. They fluctuate naturally, like our climate, and our weather.
Is that uncovered moss on the side of the ship?
Damian,
The evidence of continental ice decreasing is dubious at best.
In 2000, The Independent reported that
“Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past”
I wonder if that was part of the “scientific consensus?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Britain’s winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.
Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain’s culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.
Is the Costa Concordia ready for Arctic duties yet?
I hear the quarters are amongst the best available for scientists.
…_
I visited a glacier some years ago. It was melting and with the current speed it would be gone pretty soon. My friends thought that it was becuase of co2. I can’t blame them for thinking that. It’s really hard to step back and look at the big picture. That same glacier had been melting and shrinking for more than 200 years, so it is absolutely normal that it still was. It had nothing to do with co2.
Anthony, you might also enjoy this short clip. Will the real Professor Turney please stand up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPDeC7hyzRY
Turney makes a comment on Nature. He calls the Russian ship an “icebreaker”.
“Sitting in the ship’s lounge of the Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis, safe with friends and colleagues and heading back to civilization, I can say it has been a remarkable journey.
For the past six weeks on board the Russian icebreaker MV Akademik Shokalskiy, my colleague Chris Fogwill and I have led a team of scientists, science communicators and volunteers on a voyage from the New Zealand subantarctic islands to the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. The aim was to study various aspects of this vast, remote region to better understand its role in the Earth system, and communicate these results directly to the public. Yet most people only became aware of our work when we got stuck and had to be rescued.”
http://www.nature.com/news/this-was-no-antarctic-pleasure-cruise-1.14466
I ‘m sure he’s in deep doodoo and it playing a game of CYA.
The glaciers and land ice have been melting because we are in an interglacial period. The rate of melt is not changing much – we know this because of the rate of change of sea levels is relatively linear (since argo at least).
When sea level trend is flat or reducing for a few decades we are probably having a mini ice age and if that continues for a few hundred decades then it is an ice age and the interglacial is ended.
Until the interglacial is finished the ice is going to continue to melt. Don’t Panic.
History, facts and logic do not impact on true believers of any religion.
is playing
I love the helicopter producing the CO2 CO2 CO2 CO2. LOL. Brilliant!
Turney says:
“Since news of our plight raced around the world, I have been surprised by the level of criticism our scientific expedition has received. This was no pleasure cruise.”
What about his family? The non-climate science PHD students?
Damian says: January 6, 2014 at 1:29 pm
“Frank, Sea ice yes, but land ice has been decreasing.”
Ok, so when and where would that have been melting then? Where was all that heat coming from?
Would you please give coordinates for a 10,000 km^2 area where any significant decrease occured? And when was that?
My understanding is that we’re not allowed to drill in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge because the delicate caribou will be fatally disrupted by the presence of an oil well on about 1/10% of the land. Now, the caribou can deal with mosquitoes that extract one pint of blood a day out of them (whew, that’s gotta be itchy), and summertime temperatures that can occasionally climb in excess of 80 degrees (thus the mosquitoes), but they’re obviously more delicate than those sturdy penguins that have to deal with boatloads of trapped, ignorant ecotourists, and moronic climate scientists, along with multiple ice breakers to rescue them. Could it be that those caribou haven’t developed the same sense of derision to our ecowarriors that the penguins in the above photo have?
Add a rock’em sock’em robot to pummel a penguin!
heard a proAGW talking head on the bbc radio5 today ” …………ah but you see what happened was ….this sheet of ice which the ship got stuck in was “old ice”…….it was v close to the land u see,so the unusually strong winds blew back off the ridge & doubled the ice over to twice its usual thickness…..it was a “weather” event see, nothing to do with lack of warming,,,,” (ie wrong kind of ice) ps the dog ate my homework………