‘Greedy Lying Bastards’ film uses a fake cover photo, recycled PR from 2005, cites opinion of a ‘truther’, is directed by a former ELF spokeman, and uses a big dose of hate to make its point

When they lie right on the cover, it speaks volumes about the content of the film.

Greedy-Lying-Bastards-Movie-Review[1]

What’s the lie in the cover you ask? I contacted the West Coast press agent to confirm my suspicion. 

At first glance, I said to myself “they really wouldn’t be that stupid to make an oil slick for a photo op, would they“? After all, as any boater knows, the US Coast Guard has severe penalties for getting any oil on the water, be it intentionally or accidentally:

The Federal Water Pollution Control Act prohibits the discharge of oil or oily waste into or upon the navigable waters of the United States or the waters of the contiguous zone if such discharge causes a film or sheen upon, or discoloration of, the surface of the water, or causes a sludge or emulsion beneath the surface of the water. Violators are subject to a penalty of $5,000.

I asked the West coast press agent, and got this reply:

I spoke with Craig and This picture was created digitally http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/greedy-lying-bastards-review.jpg

Thanks and please let me know if you have any other questions

Alexandra Drapac
MPRM Communications
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Los Angeles, CA 90036
Tel: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Fax: xxxxxxxxxxxx

I replied:

OK so that picture is fake, which speaks volumes about the content I suppose.

And got this reply in return:

Yes definitely fake-

Thanks!

Alex

Well and good to know. It reminds me of the famous Ursus Bogus scandal with Science, where fake digital photography was also used to make a point.

To illustrate its item about scientific facts, Science chose this image of a doomed poley bear:

image
One small problem.

As James Delingpole reveals, that poley bear image is fake. It’s been photoshopped. Science subsequently admitted:

The image associated with this article was selected by the editors. We did not realize that it was not an original photograph but a collage, and it was a mistake to have used it.

As Science says: “There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions.”

So just like that episode, Greedy Lying Bastards lies to the viewer right on the cover of the DVD. What a great start. It gets even more interesting, so lazy are the producers and contributors, they use erratum recycled language from 2005:

WUWT reader Russell Cook writes in an email:

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Our AGW friends are so lazy as to drop in material from 2005.

From this other page, notice how just a couple of words of substitution turns this farce into a spectacular example of sheer projection:  http://www.exposethebastards.com/jim_hoggan_clearing_the_pr_pollution_that_clouds_climate_science

Few PR offences have been so obvious, so successful and so despicable as this attack on the science of climate change. It has been a triumph of disinformation – one of the boldest and most extensive PR campaigns in history, primarily financed by the ̶e̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶d̶u̶s̶t̶r̶y̶  enviro-activists’ benefactors and executed by some of the best PR talent in the world.

And right after that, Hoggan says…

…. Ross Gelbspan, in his books, The Heat is On and Boiling Point sets out the whole case, pointing fingers and naming names. PR Watch founder John Stauber has done similarly exemplary work, tracking the bogus campaigns and linking various pseudo scientists to their energy industry funders. ….

That is lifted verbatim from Hoggan’s 2005 WordPress blog, pre-Desmogblog.  As I’ve said so many times, all paths in the smear of skeptics lead to Gelbspan.

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Heh. Recycled propaganda.

Apparently I don’t rate as a ‘bastard’. Color me disappointed. The list of heroes is equally funny. On the plus side, at least they weren’t stupid enough to put Peter Gleick on the list. They did however, interview Dr. Pieter Tans.

Pieter Tans, keeper of the CO2 records for Mauna Loa, is a self-declared 911 Truther. Here’s a letter to the editor he co-signed in 2006:

World has lost a true, humble friend

The world has lost a true friend in Gilbert White, winner of the 2000 National Medal of Science, natural resource adviser to FDR, ecologist before the word existed, president of Haverford College, social scientist and much else he was too humble to mention.

Gil was a fearless thinker who supported ideas that were before their time, such as the project at Vote.org and ideas that many ridicule or fear, such as evidence that a few people in our government allowed or caused the 9/11 attacks. He’s the eldest in the Oct. 21, 2004, Boulder Weekly photo with us, attending a 9/11 Truth event, although we weren’t identified — see Boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html. At lunch afterward, he expressed surprise and frustration that the media simply refused to make this an issue in the coming presidential election.

Gil was pretty sure that 9/11 was treason partly because, when he was working in the FDR White House, he witnessed the congratulatory atmosphere there the day of Pearl Harbor. He believed the government had invited the attack to get people’s support to enter World War II, and that something similar happened to get Congress’ (not the people’s) support for the Bush wars.

Gilbert could have been a member of almost any elite, but he preferred non-elitists. He believed in giving power to the people rather than keeping it in the hands of any elite. He hoped that when people learned that the government was complicit in 9/11 that they’d demand the kind of participatory government you can help realize at Vote.org. That’s why we risk accusations of sullying the dead by writing this.

Steven Jones, BYU Physics professor suspended for his work with Physics911.net, and Kevin Ryan, fired from Underwriters Laboratories for speaking out, will speak Oct. 29 from 2 to 6 p.m. in CU’s Math 100, along with the founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, Kevin Barrett, Ph.D.

EVAN RAVITZ, ROBERT McFARLAND,
PIETER TANS and MARTIN WALTER
Boulder

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20061023020522/http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/letters_to_editor/article/0,1713,BDC_2491_5065789,00.html

And here he is in a photo, he appears to be the one in the middle holding the banner:

coverstory1[1]

Source of the photo: http://archive.boulderweekly.com/102104/coverstory.html

Here’s Tan’s NOAA page: http://cires.colorado.edu/people/tans/

I wonder if Dr. Tans has ever heard of the Hatch act?

Watching the trailer and reading the synopsis, it seems to be the same old stuff, skeptics are (take your pick):

In the employ of big oil, recycled tobacco lobbyists, not scientists, ruthlessly greedy industrialists, don’t care about your children or your grandchildren, only out for profit, blah blah, blah.

We’ve heard it all before.

[ UPDATE:

I get this via one of my sources, Paul Dreissen,  via email:

In case you don’t recall the name, GLB director Craig Rosebraugh used to be the mouthpiece for Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front anarchists and terrorists, who liked to brag about their firebombing of homes, cars and research labs. Nick Nichols and I discussed him and his exploits in some depth in Nick’s Rules for Corporate Warriors, pages 46, 47, 50, 217 and 306. He was investigated, and his computer hard drive was searched, but I don’t think the authorities were ever able to link him directly to the terrorists he assisted, and don’t believe he was ever successfully prosecuted.

When called to testify before a congressional committee that was investigating eco-terrorism, he took the Fifth on every question he was asked.

I confirmed this via Wikipedia and the citations here

From 1997 to 2001, Rosebraugh served as a spokesperson for the Earth Liberation Front receiving anonymous communiques from the ELF and forwarding them on to news media internationally. In 1999, Rosebraugh co-formed the North American Earth Liberation Front Press Office (NAELFPO) with Leslie James Pickering, where he continued to forward communiques, conduct international press interviews, and nationwide informational lectures on the ideology of the ELF movement.[10] Between 1997 and 2006, Rosebraugh received eight subpoenas to appear before federal grand juries to discuss his sources, but he has said he has no knowledge of them and refused to cooperate with the proceedings.

end update]

Only the weak minded will pay much attention to this movie, but then again, isn’t that the purpose of propaganda? Here is the movie trailer and the producer’s synopisis from the press kit:

“GREEDY LYING BASTARDS” SYNOPSIS

Hurricane Sandy. Wildfires in the West. “Brown-Outs” in the East. Farmers losing crops to the worst drought since the Dust Bowl. Climate change is no longer a prediction for the future, but a startling reality of today. The U.S. Pentagon believes it to be a matter of national and international security. Yet, as the evidence of our changing climate mounts and the scientific consensus proves a human causation, there continues to be no political action to thwart the warming of our planet.

“Greedy Lying Bastards” investigates the reason behind stalled efforts to tackle climate change despite consensus in the scientific community that it is not only a reality but also a growing problem that is placing us on the brink of disaster. The film details the people and organizations casting doubt on climate science and claims that greenhouse gases are not affected by human behavior. Filmmaker and political activist Craig Rosebraugh, in association with Executive Producer Daryl Hannah, documents the impact of an industry that has continually put profits before people, waged a campaign of lies designed to thwart measures to combat climate change, used its clout to minimize infringing regulations and undermined the political process in the U.S. and abroad.

Millions are spent each year by oil and related interests to fund the think tanks, groups, scientists and politicians waging what the film deems a campaign of deceit regarding the science of climate change and its dire impact on the planet. Between 1998 and 2012, “Greedy Lying Bastards” reports ExxonMobil spent over $27 million to dispel claims of global warming. The Koch brothers, who run the conglomerate Koch Industries, also provide significant funding. From 1997 through 2012, they spent over $67 million.

A far different story about climate change is told by the residents of Kivalina, a small Alaskan island above the Arctic Circle. Over the last fifty years, winter temperatures have risen nearly seven degrees and the ice that once protected the land is not forming properly leading to increasing erosion. As one tribal administrator notes: “The debate is over, we are dealing with the realities of climate change.”

“Greedy Lying Bastards” also presents a shocking analysis of the U.S. Supreme Court decision, Citizens United. According to the film, not only did this 2010 ruling pave the way for unlimited corporate contributions to political campaigns, but additionally it highlighted the blatant corruption of the country’s highest Court and its cozy relationship with top corporate interests.

Filmed in the US, Tuvalu, Peru, England, Uganda, Kenya, Belgium, Denmark and Germany, “Greedy Lying Bastards” includes interviews with scientists, industry experts, international political delegates, and people impacted by the changing climate as well as deniers. Among them: UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon; Rep. Henry Waxman (CA); former EPA head Christine Todd Whitman; top U.S. climate scientists Dr. Pieter Tans (NOAA), Dr. Mark Serreze (NOAA), Dr. Kevin Trenberth (NCAR), former President of Copenhagen Climate Summit

COP15 Connie Hedegaard, UN Environmental Program Executive Director Achim Steiner, leading climate science skeptics Myron Ebell, Christopher Monckton, and Jay Lehr, and victims of the 2012 wildfires and drought in the U.S.

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114 Responses to ‘Greedy Lying Bastards’ film uses a fake cover photo, recycled PR from 2005, cites opinion of a ‘truther’, is directed by a former ELF spokeman, and uses a big dose of hate to make its point

  1. jeanparisot says:

    Did they include an address I can send my “I hate the earth” invoice to?

  2. PaulH says:

    The trailer for this mocumentary mentions climategate. Seems rather odd that the producers would highlight the climategate evidence of their heroes own efforts to manipulate the circumstances to their advantage. Ah well, artistic license, I guess. ;->

  3. xham says:

    [snip]

  4. tobias says:

    According to his bio he served in the FDR WH from age 23 to 29 I am absolutely positive he set policy and implemented all of these ( As far as I remember these lads were called mail boys in those days, me thinks he quaked a little to long no insult intended just a physical observation )

  5. DaveA says:

    Is this the follow up to Dirty Rotten Scoundrels? Must be because that does look like Ruprecht sitting in the chair.

  6. tgmccoy says:

    The “Victims” of the 2012 wildfires can also blame the lack of a real coherent policy for
    fewer than 12 total USFS/BLM Airtankers nationwide.. from 44 in 2005 hmmm..

  7. A.D. Everard says:

    Well, what can I say?

    We all know An Inconvenient Truth was a lie, and then the REAL Inconvenient Truth came along.

    We already know who who the Greedy Lying Bastards are.

    It’s amazing how they so persistently get things exactly backwards.

  8. philincalifornia says:

    Projected projection ??

  9. _Jim says:

    Do I recognize that kid on the cover – the kid who was the banjo player in Deliverance?

    Well, maybe not …

    .

  10. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Desperation breeds idiocy.

    Should expect more of this kind of stuff from the Believers. As their faith is ever more tested as the gap between what they had hoped for, what they had expected and what is actually happening grows larger, they will get even crazier.

    Because cognitive dissonance, no matter how fanatical, has bounds.

  11. rogerknights says:

    In my Notes From Skull Island I list 22 things that we climate contrarians (“skeptic” is too mild a term) would be doing differently if we were in fact well organized and well funded:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/16/notes-from-skull-island-why-skeptics-arent-well-funded-and-well-organized/

    ==========
    Incidentally, I wish Our Side would devise a counter to the insinuation / smear that skeptical scientists’ “affiliations” with various think tanks indicates that they’re in their pockets. If a scientist is on a think tank’s advisory board, or some such position, is he getting paid? If so, how much? Are the insinuators counting only membership in such organizations as affiliations? Are they counting appearances at think tank events for which a fee was paid, or article publications in think tank journals as affiliations? If a think tank is the publisher of a scientist’s book, does that count?

    If so, those are pretty weak reeds to hang an insinuation of corruption on. They certainly aren’t comparable to the large salaries or consulting fees the tobacco industry paid its scientists.

    Our side should put its cards on the table and then demand that the other side do the same. How much of the same sort of thing is being done by the other side? Awards, honorariums, consulting fees, positions on various boards, revolving doors with gov’t. bigshots, backdoor gov’t. funding for enviro-savior organizations, etc.?

    “The Koch brothers, who run the conglomerate Koch Industries, also provide significant funding. From 1997 through 2012, they spent over $67 million.”

    On what? If it was total donations to right-of-center think tanks that spent only 10% of their revenue on climate change–as is the likely situation–then only 10% of the Koch’s spending can honestly be counted as being spent “to dispel claims of global warming.”

  12. Ian L. McQueen says:

    “Between 1998 and 2012, “Greedy Lying Bastards” reports ExxonMobil spent over $27 million to dispel claims of global warming. The Koch brothers, who run the conglomerate Koch Industries, also provide significant funding. From 1997 through 2012, they spent over $67 million.”

    I note that they say nothing about the amounts received by the warmists between 1998 and 2012.

    IanM

  13. _Jim says:

    ELF – is this the same affiliated group?

    Arsonists or Terrorists? Film Details Rise, Fall of Earth Liberation Front (ELF) Cell

    In “If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front,” filmmaker Marshal Curry looks at radical environmentalists who were named a top domestic terrorist threat by the FBI. …

    The webpage linked below has the embedded video for the title above:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/july-dec11/efp_09-01.html

    .

  14. kramer says:

    Did anybody notice that the pictures of the ‘heros’ and the bastards are set to different backgrounds? The ‘heros’ all have what looks to be their original backgrounds while the bastard’s backgrounds are white. I wonder why they did this, could it be some kind of marketing thing…?

    Slightly off topic:
    Gil was pretty sure that 9/11 was treason partly because, when he was working in the FDR White House, he witnessed the congratulatory atmosphere there the day of Pearl Harbor. He believed the government had invited the attack to get people’s support to enter World War II,

    Yeah, I read the book ‘Day of Deceit’ and am almost certain that not only did we provoke them into attacking us, we had broke their code and we knew we were going to get hit. This statement by Tans bolsters the book.

  15. u.k.(us) says:

    I watched the video clip:
    Never saw it before (of course?).

    Wow, he/they/we can and should do better than that on our worst day.
    But, there it is, on WUWT.

  16. davidgmills says:

    [snip - per blog policy, we don't get involved in the discussion of that - mod]

  17. Goldie says:

    Pathetic.

  18. _Jim says:

    kramer says March 7, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Slightly off topic:
    Gil was pretty sure that 9/11 was treason partly because, when he was working in the FDR White House, he witnessed the congratulatory atmosphere there the day of Pearl Harbor. He believed the government had invited the attack to get people’s support to enter World War II,

    Yeah, I read the book ‘Day of Deceit’ and am almost certain that not only did we provoke them into attacking us, we had broke their code and we knew we were going to get hit. This statement by Tans bolsters the book.

    (More OT -just a smidge <grin> okay mods?)

    Hmmm … like the JFK assassination stuff, lotsa made-up stuff, little to actually support those ‘theories’ though (read more via Gerald Posner’s book “Case Closed”, search the web and read the affidavit of ear-witnesses on the 6th floor who heard the brass hitting the floor after each shot, etc.) …

    The real design of these ‘folk’ is to sell books and videos, speak on-tour, etc.

    .

  19. davidgmills says:

    [snip - not going there - mod]

  20. redjefff says:

    “Filmed in the US, Tuvalu, Peru, England, Uganda, Kenya, Belgium, Denmark and Germany…”

    Sweet gig. Walked?

  21. ferd berple says:

    kramer says:
    March 7, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    Yeah, I read the book ‘Day of Deceit’ and am almost certain that not only did we provoke them into attacking us,
    =========
    Lusitania – WWI
    Gulf of Tonkin – Vietnam
    WMD – Iraq
    911 – Tower 7 collapse. Financial transactions never traced. 911 Hijacker passport found on ground.

    Kennedy bullet found on stretcher. Oswald makes miracle shot on moving target with poor quality weapon and no sniper scope. Killed same day in police custody. Nixon in Dallas day before, was head of CIA under Nixon administration. Upset Kennedy beat him for Presidency. CIA used previously in political assassinations. Was Dallas CIA snipers also Watergate burglar?

    James Earl Ray sentenced without trial for murder of Martin Luther King. Recants guilty plea. Finally wins right to trial but dies in prison after court date is announced.

  22. I thank WUWT for noting my input about the recycled James Hoggan material. I may have to correct Mr Hoggan himself on one point, where in his blog page for the movie he says in paragraph 5 ( http://www.exposethebastards.com/jim_hoggan_clearing_the_pr_pollution_that_clouds_climate_science ) “DeSmogBlog.com, the website I co-founded in 2006 … ”

    Well, a confirmation look at his earliest blog pieces ( http://www.desmogblog.com/blog/jim-hoggan?page=41 ) shows he posted three on October 31st, 2005, and his next were on Dec 1 2005, which basically makes me wrong about saying his WordPress blog was “pre-Desmogblog”.

    Or…… wait a minute….. Try this little exercise: plop the phrase “The DeSmogBlog, founded in January 2006″ into an internet search and see if you don’t see the same result here https://www.google.com/search?q=The+DeSmogBlog%2C+founded+in+January+2006 . Then try substituting the words December or October and the date 2005.

    At least I see where my error came from, but instead of a nice tidy answer on its startup date, we have something of a hazy mess here………..

  23. Lady in Red says:

    Pieter Tans has guts.

    (Benign) psychological experiments have shown that when a person gets on an elevator with all the other people (stupidly) facing the back, the new entrant will also do so, simply to be part of the “herd.”

    It is quite easy to dispel truth, simply by demonizing it and repeating the “big” lie over and over and over and over, until the “herd” accepts the untruth. ….Lady in Red

  24. Doug Danhoff says:

    If he worked for FDR He must be over 100

  25. kim says:

    No armchairs were harmed in the filming of this movie; viewers, though, will be ‘armed by the sharing of it.
    ==================

  26. Skiphil says:

    Kevin Trenberth displays the kind of objective, judicious, and probing insight we have come to expect from leading ClimateScience-TM propagandists:

    Kevin Trenberth on “Greedy Lying Bastards”

    One might think that Trenberth should hesitate to join in a propaganda campaign in company with such vile characters as a former ELF/ALF spokesman, a 911 Truther, and other obvious charlatans.

  27. joeldshore says:

    Oh…and, by the way…given the Hatch Act as currently written (i.e., following the 1993 amendments, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939 ), which of the prohibited activities do you believe that Tiens was engaging in?

  28. OssQss says:

    Digital manipulation is very prevalent in today’s world. How do you think the new category of “Low Information Voter” came about? It sure was not from an accurate communication of current events.

    The challenge is to indentify and verify. Hard to do for some, hence the situation we currently expernience.

    My Grandma always told me to tell the truth!

    That way I never had to remember what I said :-)

    Do you think some of the “high visibility” climate scientists could pass a “Lie” detector test?

    Ha, let alone our POTUS!

    They gonna get ya in the end!

    If you want a prime example of how censorship is in play, try to find the original version of this song on YouTube, as dictated by the CAGW crowd sponsered by Google. LOL !

  29. kramer says:

    _Jim says: March 7, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Hmmm … like the JFK assassination stuff, lotsa made-up stuff, little to actually support those ‘theories’ though…

    Well, in the book, there are lots of government documents that back up or support what the author has said. Seeing them made me doubt the official story.

  30. Doug Danhoff says:

    I have read those books and honestly one must be a conspiracy Kook to give any of this crap credence

  31. Lady in Red says:

    Mr. Danhoff:
    Gilbert White, who worked for FDR, is dead. He was a courageous intellect and, (apparently) a friend of Pieter Tans. Re-read. ….Lady in Red

  32. Arninetyes says:

    Reminds me of an old Buffy episode:
    “Why don’t I believe them?”
    “Well, they lack credibility.”

  33. troe says:

    No gutter too deep for the AGW wack-jobs to troll. btw James Earl Ray, Oswald, etc… those are poor foundations to build a theory on. Stuff happens and sometimes one loser with a gun makes a shot.

  34. RockyRoad says:

    They really should direct their ire to the Earth–that’s the thing not cooperating with their fictional cult!

    Or, like incorrigible, spoiled children, they can vent to their heart’s content–It provides ample entertainment.

  35. I should be listed as the Chief Blogging Bastard. I exploited climategate and did spread the word all over the internet crossblogging day and night all over the place. I was a major help in killing the global governance carbon tax financing. Where’s my recognition? Long live Climate Change, as if anyone can stop it.

  36. CodeTech says:

    when he was working in the FDR White House, he witnessed the congratulatory atmosphere there the day of Pearl Harbor. He believed the government had invited the attack to get people’s support to enter World War II

    Although I often hear leftists (and others I consider to be ignorant) saying this, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. The US was fighting against a well organized group that were agitating to keep the US out of the war, a war that they desperately were needed in, No, the US didn’t enter the war and single-handedly end it, but if they were in it from September 1, 1939 they could have dramatically reduced the loss of life and devastation through Europe.

    Don’t kid yourself, the anti-war activists during WW2 were just as well financed and organized as they were for Vietnam… by communists and, then, Nazis. The ones we’ve seen for the last decade are, in comparison, ineffective and look as ridiculous as they should.

    Anyway, back to the original point, the FDR White House had every right to party and backslap. If the fifth columnists and other traitors had continued to have their way, who knows where things would have ended up? Pearl Harbor was a brilliant miscalculation by Japan, and it infuriated Hitler who, although didn’t understand what the US would be capable of, recognized that they would pile on.

    As for the rest of this “mockumentary”, it’s laughably childish, apparently from the michael moore school of smears and innuendo, and is completely safe to ignore.

  37. John W. Garrett says:

    I experienced a moment of confusion when I first saw “ELF” as I was unable to fathom why someone connected with the French energy company Elf Aquitaine (purchased by Total, S.A. in 2000) would be involved in a Grade D propaganda film.

    wikipedia entry for Elf Aquitaine:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf_Aquitaine

  38. Catcracking says:

    Executive Producer Daryl Hannah was on O’Reilly the other night and proved that she is as dumb as nails. This was after her arrest in Washington.
    Along with promoting solar panels and windmills she told O’Reilly that he could run his non diesel auto on ethanol from a fueling station at his home as long as he had room for a trash can. No mention that he better check to see if his car is suitable for 100% or that the warranty might be voided or that it might totally ruin the engine. I wonder if she knows that there might be legal problems installing a fueling station at your home.
    She also told him that he could heat his home on Long Island with alcohol burners.
    Finally she claimed that alcohol is not flammable not realizing that then the car engine would not run if it is not flammable. The video is here:

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2203432541001/daryl-hannah-enters-no-spin-zone/?playlist_id=86923

  39. _Jim says:

    ferd berple says March 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    … bullet found on stretcher. Oswald makes miracle shot on moving target with poor quality weapon and no sniper scope. Killed same day in police custody. Nixon in Dallas day before, was head of CIA under Nixon administration. Upset Kennedy beat him for Presidency. CIA used previously in political assassinations. Was Dallas CIA snipers also Watergate burglar?

    (My last post on this subj. Promise, mods)

    CrackerJack boxes are such a wealth of info … right ferd?

    I’m just curious now, and I’m going to make this my last post on this subj (golf claps heard all ’round!), but, I’m curious, have you done any research/reading of material outside of what the hucksters and purveyors of ‘crap’ publish, something a little more studied, like what is found at the source below?

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

    Remember: ” Con-spiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.

    Past history: I spent time (to much time, really) around the 40th anniversary looking into and researching this event, never before having done so, and having looked at the evidence available, read Posner’s book … AND including reading about a prior event in this e.g. Os wald’s earlier attempt to assassinate General Walker (WHICH no one, esp , the con-spiarcxy hucksters ***ever*** talk or write about!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!!) I think that a natural ‘skeptic’ would like to see some alternative, rational viewpoints and facts, on this subj (but I could be wrong) …

    (Okay. My last post on this subj.)

    .

  40. john robertson says:

    When caught lying, tell bigger lies, louder, faster.
    This video looks like another own goal.
    I love the smell of desperation coming form “Team Carbon Cult”.

  41. William McClenney says:

    ‘The stench of corruption is strong………may the disinfectant be with you…’ – unknown

  42. lurker passing through, laughing says:

    Oh….I get it. I thought they were talking about the AGW promotion industry.
    How could I have been confused?

  43. William McClenney says:

    I was looking for this one when I found the one above:

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because
    everything would be what it isn’t. And contrarywise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t
    be, it would. You see?” —Alice in Wonderland

  44. Paul Marko says:

    Who’s going to want to see movie about a guy sitting in a redneck bass boat without a fishing rod?

  45. temp says:

    “In case you don’t recall the name, GLB director Craig Rosebraugh used to be the mouthpiece for Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front anarchists and terrorists”

    In the name of science can we please call a spade a spade here… the ELF and ALF are both hardcore socialist groups who want the government to ban all kinds of stuff.

    No anarchist wants the government to ban anything… because anarchists want the government to stop existing and thus in turn want all government regulations to stop existing as well. No anarchist would ever support these groups because these groups heavily support government… which is why they are socialist in nature.

  46. Tom J says:

    ‘Pieter Tans, keeper of the CO2 records for Mauna Loa, is a self-declared 911 Truther. Here’s a letter to the editor he co-signed in 2006:

    World has lost a true, humble friend

    The world has lost a true friend in Gilbert White, winner of the 2000 National Medal of Science, natural resource adviser to FDR,…

    Gilbert could have been a member of almost any elite, but he preferred non-elitists.’

    Ok, Pieter Tans, please explain to me, without employing too much distracting gibberish, precisely (or even not so precisely) how someone who was a ‘natural resource adviser to FDR’ actually preferred ‘non-elitists’. You mean FDR was not a member of the elites. Is a patrician something other than an elite? Or, was FDR not one of those either? Was he actually a White House garbage collector masquerading as president?

    But before you answer, let me thank you for noting how someone represents their superior status through their natural membership in that special class of humanity called ‘elites’ yet manages to even rise above even that superior station through their decision to descend to a much lower class of humanity called the non-elites for their associations. How wonderfully condescending. That, plus your ‘911 Truther’ association makes it quite clear what you’re doing in this movie. BTW: Did you know that the heads of the FBI and the CIA on 9/11 were both Clinton appointees?

  47. Bart says:

    ferd berple says:
    March 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    “Oswald makes miracle shot on moving target with poor quality weapon and no sniper scope.”

    I’ve been to Dealey Plaza several times. Everything looks bigger on TV. The fact is, Dealey Plaza is quite small. It really wasn’t a difficult shot.

  48. CodeTech says:
    March 7, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    “Don’t kid yourself, the anti-war activists during WW2 were just as well financed and organized as they were for Vietnam… by communists and, then, Nazis. The ones we’ve seen for the last decade are, in comparison, ineffective and look as ridiculous as they should.”

    Eventually the country goes bankrupt paying for false flag wars. Here’s what the think tanks are coming up with to start our next war, this is not one of those silly little theories;

    Lobbyist suggests False Flag attack needed to start war with Iran

  49. Nick in Vancouver says:

    Wow, Tans keeper of the CO2 scriptures and believer in conspiracy theories. was he contacted by that “scientist” in Oz? wossisname? you know, the kooky cheater ..oh wait who cares.

  50. AndyG55 says:

    “GreedlyLyingBarstards”

    Starring

    Al Gore, Micheal Mann, James Hansen, , John Cook, Stephan Lewindowsky, Perter Gleik,…

    and a realm of other catastrophists, whose sole aim is to lie and cheat so as to enlarge their bank balances from the funds of governments and the oil industry.

  51. If you are not weak-minded, you are 100% sure that conspiracies never happen.
    Got it!

  52. SAMURAI says:

    You notice in the GLB poster that Daryl Hannah is the Executive Producer of this latest leftist propaganda movie?

    I’ve seen Daryl on TV espousing the standard boilerplate CAGW talking points that man is destroying the Earth and we’re all going to be killed by greedy evil oil companies and corporations in general.

    It always sounds like her “opinion” is based on the last warmunista blog she read, and I’m sure this movie will be no different.

    Oh, goody…. I can’t wait to hear what an evil lying bastard I am….

    BTW, I’m still waiting for my check from EXXON, as I’m often accused of being on their payroll as I defend the use of the Scientific Method to validate any proposed theory.

  53. Anna Keppa says:

    “Yeah, I read the book ‘Day of Deceit’ and am almost certain that not only did we provoke them into attacking us, we had broke their code and we knew we were going to get hit. This statement by Tans bolsters the book. ”

    Yes, of course: FDR and the entire WH staff, plus all the military and intelligence people, were happy to goad Japan into an attack on Pearl Harbor —the ONLY strategic American assets within their reach—and not tell the military commanders in Hawaii in advance.

    Why? Because America really, really, really, really, really, really, wanted a two-front war on opposite sides of the globe.

    Yeah…that’s it…THAT’s it…

  54. AndyG55 says:

    @ Lady in Red
    “when a person gets on an elevator with all the other people (stupidly) facing the back, the new entrant will also do so, simply to be part of the “herd.””

    Happened to me once.. but I was never part of a herd, so I stood facing the door I’d come in.

    Then the door at the back of the elevator opened. :-)

  55. Patrick says:

    “CodeTech says:

    March 7, 2013 at 7:43 pm”

    Talking of war and funding, in WW2, Henry Ford donated all profits from all sales of Ford vehicles in Germany to Hitler. He was honoured for that and Hitler awareded him a medal, the only non-German to receive such award (I don’t recall what it was called).

  56. ckb says:

    There’s a few people posting here that really need to read Bill Whittle’s essays on conspiracy theory. Like, twice. Maybe once a day or something.

    http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000136.html

    http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html

    Part 2 is particularly relevant. I think he wrote part 3 on CAGW but I can never find it or I misremember reading it.

  57. policycritic says:

    Anna Keppa,

    You can listen to a 2008 CBC interview with the Canadian who actually broke the code while working in Rockefeller Center at the secret British war room here. Roosevelt knew about this; don’t know who else. This is the Canadian’s obit in 2011:
    “A Man Most Ordinary”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/story/2011/05/16/pe-clifton-stewart-obituary-584.html

    Click on the audio.

  58. Wu says:

    Thankfully many people outside of this debate are aware of tactics employed by those who cannot win an arguement – try to smear and silence the other side as much as possible.

    Personally, I’m finding the latest flailing about from the cAGW crowd rather funny, trying to make bigger, scarier scenarios and projections when the observable data simply do not match. They know how daft they sound… they must do, right? It’s all about keeping this agenda alive now and hoping that warming will resume.

    I get a feeling this whole cAGW thing will be a huge social/history case study for students in 100 years time and both sides will be judged on how we carry ourselves in this “debate”.

    On a side note, Poland might be taking EU CO2 Emission law to EU courts of Justice. If the topic of science credibility turns up in a court of law, the consequences could be ‘interesting’.

  59. ConfusedPhoton says:

    List of heroes is hilarious

    Michael Mann – Ph.D. in Geology & Geophysics from Yale University. – Sheldon Cooper refers to geologists as gravel monkeys. “Award-winning science website RealClimate.org” – ????????

    Connnie Hedegaard is a Danish politician, journalist, and intellectual. Had no real job then!

    George Monbiot – no mention of him falsely accusing Lord Alpine of a particularly unpleasant crime.

  60. policycritic says:

    Catcracking says:
    March 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Executive Producer Daryl Hannah was on O’Reilly the other night and proved that she is as dumb as nails.

    You’re not alone. Jackie Kennedy thought so too. John Jr was dating Hannah. Jackie’s bigger concern was that John Jr would marry Hannah and move west. Hannah was therefore a threat. Apparently, John Jr was a riveting stage presence and a surprisingly powerful actor in school plays at Phillips Academy at Andover (according to the headmaster, the man who started Outward Bound, who told me this directly and raved about his talent) and later at Brown. He loved acting but his mother wouldn’t hear of it.

    Hannah and John Jr lived together on the upper west side, and according to my friend who lived either above or below them and ate dinner with them occasionally as neighbors do, they were genuinely and madly in love with each other. He said they were one of the those couples you just know were meant to be together. My friend said that if Hannah had been a paralegal, or had worked in the Mayor’s office, anything other than acting, Jackie Kennedy probably would have relented.

    But my friend said what you did. He said she was as sweet as an angel, but as dumb as a doornail.

  61. Come on boys (and girls), in defence of Pieter Tans, there is not the slightest connection between what he believes about the 9/11 attack and his work as scientist. As good as there is no connection between what Dr. Spencer believes about Intelligent Design and his work on satellite data.

    Pieter Tans is a (moderate) warmist, but his work on the quality of the CO2 measurements at Mauna Loa and other “baseline” stations is impeccable. If there are troubles with the measurements, he is the first to admit that and to discuss the problems, even here on WUWT. See:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/one-day-later-mauna-loa-co2-graph-changes-data-doesnt/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/06/post-mortem-on-the-mauna-loa-co2-data-eruption/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/07/mauna-loa-to-improve-the-co2-data/

    I don’t know what he is going to tell in this film, but I suppose that he simply will show the Mauna Loa data…

  62. Steve C says:

    “Few PR offences have been so obvious, so successful and so despicable as this attack on the science of climate change. It has been a triumph of disinformation …”

    That’s true enough, at anyrate. But, thank God, there are now enough websites like WUWT, the Bish, Jo Nova etc. correcting this disinformation that the Greedy Lying Bastards’ PR offences are becoming more widely known.

    And a note to all those using the scary knee-jerk trigger phrase “conspiracy theories” to diss Tans for seeking “9/11 Truth”: Why do you think everyone should believe the (often all-too-obvious) rubbish spread by Greedy Lying Governments instead? They lie through their teeth about everything else, so why should anyone think their CYA fairy stories are God’s Own Truth? C’mon.

  63. policycritic says:

    The History Channel did a series called “The Men Who Killed Kennedy” that covers the various theories. The last in the series was banned, all copies destroyed. Fred Burk of wanttoknow.info found a copy and uploaded it here:

    http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/assassinations/men_who_killed_kennedy_9_assassinations

    It’s well worth the beer and the 45 minutes.

    Burk was the personal translator for US presidents from around the 1990s (think he did something for Bush Sr, but know he was installed from Clinton on) until he was asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement around 2004 or 2005 during Bush Jr.’s term that would have silenced him and his ancestors for two centuries. He refused and left the State Dept.

  64. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/greedy_lying_bastards_2012/

    Greedy Lying Bastards (3 words) .3 Other Words Greedy Al Gore

    We need to start hitting the comments sections on everyone of these film review sites.
    There enough of us to do it.

  65. policycritic says:

    Come on boys (and girls), in defence of Pieter Tans, there is not the slightest connection between what he believes about the 9/11 attack and his work as scientist. As good as there is no connection between what Dr. Spencer believes about Intelligent Design and his work on satellite data.

    I couldn’t agree more. These are false equivalencies, unbecoming scientific minds.

  66. policycritic says:

    Oops, can you correct the blockquote. Sorry.

  67. Nigel S says:

    Rosebraugh doesn’t know how to make a decent cup of tea either (and therefore probably a ‘wrongun’) from the evidence in the picture but perhaps that’s faked too.

  68. Oflo says:

    Sorry but I dont see the prob with the cover photo. He just inserted himself into a pic of an oilspill. You can tell from the different angles. Sure the photo is artificial but its not on par with segregating an polar bear on a block of ice from mainland (that is just disturbing).

  69. Tim Groves says:

    Kepler believed in the music of the spheres and Newton was an enthusiastic alchemist. Nobody seems to think we should ditch their contributions to science on account of these idiosyncrasies.

  70. MattN says:

    As Science says: “There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions.”

    Ridiculous. When PROPER science is done PROPERLY, there is virtually zero uncertainty.

  71. Bruce Cobb says:

    In this David vs Goliath struggle between Skeptics and Alarmists, between truth and lies, and between science and pseudoscience, it is and always has been the Skeptics who are on the David side, along with truth and science, with the Alarmists being the Goliath. They are the ones with huge money and power, including governments and government-funded “scientific” organizations, and NGOs, along with the MSM as their mouthpiece. It is hilariously pathetic to see them continually trying to portray themselves as the David side, struggling against a mighty Skeptic Goliath side. They need to tell themselves that because they are losing, and they know it, and that creates a huge chasm between what they Believe and reality. Their delusion borders on the psychotic.

  72. Julian Flood says:

    Anthony wrote:

    quote
    The Federal Water Pollution Control Act prohibits the discharge of oil or oily waste into or upon the navigable waters of the United States or the waters of the contiguous zone if such discharge causes a film or sheen upon, or discoloration of, the surface of the water, or causes a sludge or emulsion beneath the surface of the water. Violators are subject to a penalty of $5,000.
    unquote

    When a UK charity tried to open a footpath behind my house, making me and mine vulnerable to theft — bear with me, this is relevant — I fought it and won, but what I learnt was that the law was badly drafted and worse developed by precedent. It meant that any right of way, no matter how defunct, could be resurrected. So I looked around and found a Roman road first used in 49AD, Watling Street, running straight through the Houses of Parliament. I applied for that footpath to be re-opened and obstacles in its path removed, including the Members’ Dining Room in the House of Commons and the north transept of Westminster cathedral. After an amusing exchange, the powers-that-be realised that I was serious and that yes, indeed, the law they had written didn’t only apply to little people, it applied to the highest in the land. They are now in the process of amending the legislation.

    Now, about the Act you mention: one of the founding fathers of the US, Benjamin Franklin, proved that a tiny amount of oil can spread very widely on a clean water surface: I use the approximation that 5ml of oil can smooth a hectare of the ocean, which means the oil spreads out to a thickness of 2*10^-10 m. Please note that this is too thin to show as a rainbow sheen, being much less than the wavelength of visible light, so I call them smooths. I’ve taken to photographing smooths and looking for them every time I see a picture of the ocean. They are everywhere. Whoever wants to enforce the Act is in for a very profitable time.

    Look at the picture of Ursus bogus: in the background there is a nice smooth which looks like the trail left by a powerboat. Then see http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/618486main_earth_full.jpg
    and click on the mouth of the Mississippi: the area clear of clouds is that part of the Gulf which is smoothed by oil and surfactant pollution from all the people living beside that great river. NASA tells us that the oily road run-off from a city of 5 million people is the equivalent of a major tanker disaster.

    Not convinced yet that the Act is either unenforceable or a licence to print money? Have a look at the first two pictures at

    http://marinas.com/view/inlet/1668_Beaufort_Harbor_Inlet_NC_United_States

    and zoom around. Those paler smooth areas are… well, smooths, areas of navigable water polluted by oil and surfactant, a film upon the surface of the water.

    Short of cash? You could paddle up and down with a camera, gather evidence from every tiny ditch or drain from properties by the inlet and offer to split the proceeds with EPA or whoever it is that has the franchise. I’m fond of that second picture because I got into a discussion with a poster who said he fished there and had never seen any sign of pollution. People don’t see smooths because they are ubiquitous.

    Irritated by the EPA? Find one of their premises adjoining a waterway and have a look round, you’ll find a smooth and, of course, when it is told about it the EPA will have to fine itself. I’m against pollution, but I am also against bad law: this Act looks like one of those that apply so widely that discretion has to be used when enforcing it, and guess who gets let off in those circumstances: clue, it’s not the little people.

    Laws are not just for little people, but our masters forget that fact and need reminding. Happy hunting!

    JF
    [self snips burbling on about reduced aerosol and cloud cover, Kriegsmarine Hypothesis, WWII 'why the blip' etc....]

  73. Richard says:

    where to start with this film, they of course cover Tuvalu and sea rise, of course they do not check their facts as to why,

    “Demand for coral as building material increased many times as a result of the construction boom resulting from the development of tourism in the early 1970s. Mined reefs show little or no sign of recovery even after 30 years. In some mined reefs, coral cover was reduced to less than 1%, resulting in a very low diversity and small numbers of fish. Severe erosion is found on almost all the islands that have a history of coral or sand mining”

  74. papertiger says:

    I’d prefer to see a detailed video blog fisking of every lie in the thing.
    Start with the cover. (already have that one)
    Then you show the first clip. Let them ramble a bit. Then Penn and Teller pop up and say “Hold the show. They claim yadda yadda, and that’s bullshit. Here’s Lord Christopher Monckton with the real numbers.”
    Then just on like that until they run out of lies.

  75. Wamron says:

    [snip -over the top speculation - mod]

  76. Wamron says:

    Oflo…I thought the point was that the oil spill ITSELF was faked.

  77. Hot under the collar says:

    “OK so that picture is fake, which speaks volumes about the content I suppose.”
    Reply;
    “Yes definitely fake”

    Are we required to comment further?

  78. Wamron says:

    [over the top speculation - mod]

  79. Mumbles McGuirk says:

    From their own Film Synopsis:
    “Greedy Lying Bastards” investigates the reason behind stalled efforts to tackle climate change despite consensus in the scientific community that it is not only a reality but also a growing problem placing us on the brink of disaster.
    Soooo … the scientific consensus is a growing problem placing us on the brink of disaster. Well said.
    I think we should organize viewing parties wherever this film is released and cheer for the Bastards and boo the Heroes. Unfortunately, this will put $ in the producers’ pockets, but it will give us a warm, fuzzy.

  80. JohnWho says:

    “We have met the greedy lying bastards,
    and they are us.” – (an improbable quote by Craig Rosebraugh)

    LOL

  81. Dr. Lurtz says:

    They have claimed the “high ground”!! The only constant about the climate is that it is changing.
    How can we disagree with the words “climate change”? We can’t because it is always true.

    We need a “two/three word” ,always true slogan, that describes our views:
    1) Politicians Lie
    2) NOAA Models
    3) Carbon is Life
    4) Warmth is Good
    5) Cold is Bad
    6) Storms Prevent Drought
    7) -> help me out here

  82. MT Geoff says:

    All the points above are valid, but this DVD is a bit like commentary by Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews. People hear about it but very few people actually watch MSNBC. Very few people will watch this DVD — mostly the convinced.
    It’s perfectly true that the labels on “bastard” and “hero” are reversed. “You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses…and the pig got up and slowly walked away.”

  83. @MattN 3:52 am
    Ridiculous. When PROPER science is done PROPERLY, there is virtually zero uncertainty.

    Did you forget the /sarc tag?
    When there is zero uncertainty, you can be certain the science was NOT properly done or reported.

    PROPER science will track the error bars and report the range and confidence interval — even under the rare occasions the uncertainty is virtually zero.

  84. Bernie McCune says:

    Here is another movie about how spOILed we really are.

    http://www.spoiledthemovie.com/the-story-of-spoiled/

    It is ironic how we demonize carbon and yet blithely ignore how much we continue to rely on it and benefit from it. And also conveniently forget that in the form of CO2 that it is a wonderful plant food.

    Bernie

  85. knr says:

    We been here before with Gasslands , and with the same idea that their lying and their manipulation is OK has it done in noble cause and that means that its ‘not ‘ hypocrisy when they attack others for what they done themselves. Sadly for them most of the public don’t buy into that BS and so its the ‘true believers’ which actual forms their audience which mean they have zero actual influence.

  86. beesaman says:

    Another silly man who thinks that if you say it often enough and loud enough it will become the truth. Now that may work in politics and economics but it sure doesn’t work in science.
    A big FAIL!

  87. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Bad, bad case of Glowball Warming Derangement Syndrome.

  88. beesaman says:

    I don’t believe it! Peter Gleick has twittered on this, has the man no shame?

  89. xham says:

    Anthony,

    I realize you will snip me again. That is absolutely fine as its political suicide to associate with anything but the ‘official’ story. So in the name of consistency why not snip your own post so as not to upset the people here who already have to deal with so much censorship on this so important topic? Otherwise its makes it hard to emphasize when fake climate scientists upset the skeptics with ad hominen attacks and then censor their rebuttals.

    [??? Mod]

  90. Rob Crawford says:

    “Well, in the book, there are lots of government documents that back up or support what the author has said. Seeing them made me doubt the official story.”

    Cherry picking can make quite a convincing story.

  91. Rob Crawford says:

    “No anarchist wants the government to ban anything… because anarchists want the government to stop existing and thus in turn want all government regulations to stop existing as well. No anarchist would ever support these groups because these groups heavily support government… which is why they are socialist in nature.”

    The modern “anarchist” movement is, in fact, a Marxist movement. They’ve taken Marx’s delusion that after the dictatorship of the proletariat the “state would wither away” and said that is the anarchy they want — so first they have to go through the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    As further evidence, look at who the “anarchists” march for and against.

  92. Crispin in Waterloo but actually in Jakarta says:

    The US cryptographers broke the Japanese ‘Purple’ code which had a completely separate code for each day of the lunar month. By 1941 they had broken a small number of them and knew the attack was coming. The book to read is “The Man Who Broke Purple” which tells the life story of the greatest cryptographer of the pre-computer age.

    In his departing meeting the Japanese ambassador told the Prez of the impending attack personally. The US was well aware of it and made sure by two actions that it was successful: first, the orders from Washington overriding the head of the Pacific Fleet stating that the warships be placed back in the harbour nestled side by side (they had been moved out for safety in the event of an attack) and the order not to respond to the radar warming provided by the radar defense that there were hundreds of planes incoming. Obviously the motivation was to galvanise the House of Representatives to vote to go to war. The Canadian declaration of war against Japan actually preceded the US response.

  93. Steve Jones says:

    I hope these clowns keep producing this sort of stuff. The more propaganda produced, the more weary the public gets hearing about unfulfilled promises of armegeddon. People know a rat when they smell one. And this stuff will never go away, thanks to the memory of the internet.

  94. rogerknights says:

    MattN says:
    March 8, 2013 at 3:52 am

    As Science says: “There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions.”

    Ridiculous. When PROPER science is done PROPERLY, there is virtually zero uncertainty.

    That may be (close to) true of experimental science, but not of observational science like climatology.

  95. manicbeancounter says:

    Last year you may remember that Lewandowsky et. al (almost) published “NASA faked the moon landing:Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science”. The hypothesis was that those who “deny” the truth of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming climate change, as revealed to a vast majority of experts, tend also to be believers in crazy conspiracy theories. It boils down to the argument that skeptics don’t know what they are talking about. The questionnaire behind this survey included:-

    16. The US government allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place so that it would have an excuse to achieve foreign (eh wars in Afghanistan and Iraq) and domestic (eg attacks on civil liberties) goals that had been determined prior to the attacks

    It did not include a “big oil pays for climate denial” conspiracy out of 15 questions. So is Professor Lewandowsky going to proclaim that the DVD is the work of some crazies from their belief in conspiracy theories?

  96. Kaboom says:

    You know your movement has failed when it becomes its own parody.

  97. rogerknights says:

    Crispin in Waterloo but actually in Jakarta says:
    March 8, 2013 at 9:21 am

    The Canadian declaration of war against Japan actually preceded the US response.

    So did the Peruvian!

  98. Luther Wu says:

    Maybe Daryl Hannah will blow her fortune on idiot projects like this film and finally shut up. Good grief, how can anyone be so condescending and yet so clueless at the same time?

  99. meemoe_uk says:

    This hateful religion is maturing, if you think its bad now, bear in mind there’s worse to come.

  100. TRM says:

    ” Ferdinand Engelbeen says: March 8, 2013 at 12:52 am
    Come on boys (and girls), in defence of Pieter Tans, there is not the slightest connection between what he believes about the 9/11 attack and his work as scientist. As good as there is no connection between what Dr. Spencer believes about Intelligent Design and his work on satellite data.
    Pieter Tans is a (moderate) warmist, but his work on the quality of the CO2 measurements at Mauna Loa and other “baseline” stations is impeccable. If there are troubles with the measurements, he is the first to admit that and to discuss the problems, even here on WUWT. See:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/one-day-later-mauna-loa-co2-graph-changes-data-doesnt/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/06/post-mortem-on-the-mauna-loa-co2-data-eruption/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/07/mauna-loa-to-improve-the-co2-data/

    I don’t know what he is going to tell in this film, but I suppose that he simply will show the Mauna Loa data…
    ————————————————————
    ^ +1

    Agreed. It weakens the arguement against the film to bring in unrelated subjects. Regardless of your / my feelings and thoughts on other subjects the film itself can not stand up to scrutiny so focus on its shortcomings of which there will be plenty.

  101. Donald L Klipstein says:

    Anthony Watts wrote in part:
    “I wonder if Dr. Tans has ever heard of the Hatch act?”

    I was once a Federal employee and I don’t remember the Hatch Act being
    so restrictive as to prohibit the activities that were mentioned. So, I checked
    the Wikipedia article on the Hatch Act. Most Federal employees are permitted
    to participate in political rallies, even ones favoring or opposing a specific
    candidate or party.

  102. Kevin says:

    [snip. D-word infraction. — mod.]

  103. Tom in Texas says:

    I’ll bet that it’s a special kind of erosion on Kivalina that is caused by the special “not forming properly” ice.
    And that the special kind of erosion can only be reversed by a special kind of linen paper, with Presidents’ heads printed on them, and stacked in piles.

  104. Kevin says:

    I guess it says something about the scholarly depth of this blog when it has be pointed out by the author and parroted by the minions that a graphic of an armchair floating above the water is fake. Good job boys!

  105. Anthony,

    I have to agree with Kevin totally.

    This is kind of a silly point you were trying to make. Unlike polar bears being stranded forlornly on patches of ice, oil slicks are real and relatively common — we’ve all seen them.

    So the documentary may be awful, but your point about the cover photo missed the mark.

  106. (Benign) psychological experiments have shown that when a person gets on an elevator with all the other people (stupidly) facing the back, the new entrant will also do so, simply to be part of the “herd.”

    Well that and why would one want to turn their back on complete strangers — strangers acting oddly, no less?

  107. Merovign says:

    The old guard must be incredibly frustrated at this point. 40 or so years of efforts and we still aren’t dehumanized enough to get rid of us yet.

    Oh, well, they’ll keep trying.

  108. Andy Wilkins says:

    Greenie Lying Bastards?

  109. Catcracking says:

    Ferdinand Engelbeen says:

    March 8, 2013 at 12:52 am

    “Come on boys (and girls), in defence of Pieter Tans, there is not the slightest connection between what he believes about the 9/11 attack and his work as scientist.”

    Cute comment,
    Maybe his work as a scientist is OK, but when someone signs on to a crazy theory re real world events, any reasonable person would question his judgment on other real world issues. I would certainly question his sanity and motives before believing anythink he says or does.

  110. Wamron says:

    Christoph Dollis..only an idiotwould enter a lift undersuch circumstances.

    What you really want to refer to is the Asch line length perception experiment.

  111. Wamron says:

    The critical thingabout 9/11 troofer views is WHOEVER did the one attack,it doesnt change a damn thing: there have been over 20,000 jihad attacks since then and there were a thousand years of them before then.

  112. M Simon says:

    [snip - sorry not going there -mod]

  113. M Simon says:

    [snip - sorry not going there -mod]

    Well at least you got the message. And it is much better sourced than most of the stuff that passes for 911 truth. For instance Mohammed Atta was involved in the Drug Trade – you can look it up. And Ruddi Dekkers was jailed for drug smuggling – you can look it up.

    To save you further trouble that is last I’m going to say about it here.

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