Whac-a-moling Seth Borenstein at AP over his erroneous extreme weather claims

borenstein_instant_expert
Maybe this is why Mr. Borenstein can’t get his science right, anyone who thinks of themselves as a “instant expert” is bound to make mistakes. Image from: NYU Carter Journalism Institute

Comments on Yesterday’s paean to Global Warming

Guest post by Dr. Richard Keen,

Meteorologist Emeritus, University of Colorado, Boulder

It’s like playing whac-a-mole. After every major storm or unusual (or even slightly interesting) weather event, some non-investigative reporter gets hold of the usual suspects to write an article about how it’s all due to global warming. Then it’s up to knowledgeable folk like Joe D’Aleo, Anthony Watts, Bill Gray, James Taylor, Steve Goddard, and many, many others to write a data-based rebuttal to “whac” the nonsense back down into its hole. But then, as in the game, it always pops up again. Today I’ll draw the short straw and try to whac the mole back down once more.

The article in question is a piece by Seth Borenstein (again) of AP (again) titled “Climate contradiction: Less snow, more blizzards” (again). Borenstein talked to Michael Oppenheimer, Mark Serreze, and other “leading federal and university climate scientists” (again). If you really want to read it, it’s at

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCI_SNOW_GLOBAL_WARMING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-18-11-33-15

But you might find the annotated version more rewarding:

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/no_surprise_psuedo_scientists_now_blame_blizzards_on_warming/

Borenstein’s story starts off with a valid point:

“With scant snowfall and barren ski slopes in parts of the Midwest and Northeast the past couple of years, some scientists have pointed to global warming as the culprit.

“Then when a whopper of a blizzard smacked the Northeast with more than 2 feet of snow in some places earlier this month, some of the same people again blamed global warming.

“How can that be? It’s been a joke among skeptics, pointing to what seems to be a brazen contradiction.”

So far, so good. It IS a brazen contradiction. So what do the global warming apologists say?

Borenstein continues,

“But the answer lies in atmospheric physics. A warmer atmosphere can hold, and dump, more moisture, snow experts say.”

So they’re saying that since a warmer atmosphere can “hold” more moisture (technically quite incorrect in itself), there’s more moisture to produce more snow. How much moisture is there?

At -10C, aka 14F, each kilogram of air can “hold” (as they say) a maximum of 1.8 grams of water vapor. If all that condenses out as snow, you’ll get 1.8 grams of snow from that kilogram of air rising in a Low or along a front. That would likely be a cold, fluffy snow. Warm the air up to 0C (32F), and the water content of the air doubles to 3.8 grams. Then the same storm will produce twice as much snow, or at least twice as heavy a snow (since the warmer snow won’t be as fluffy). Most big snow storms occur with temperatures close to the freezing point.

water_vapor_capacity_air-tempSource: http://web.gccaz.edu/~lnewman/gph111/topic_units/Labs_all/Water%20Vapor%20Capacity%20of%20Air.pdf

Now let’s kick in some global warming and raise the temperature to +10C (50F). The water content doubles again to 7.6 grams, so the snow storms will again produce twice as much snow.

What? You say it can’t snow at 50 degrees F???? Well, then you know more physics than these “snow experts”!

The biggest snow storms occur at temperatures near freezing, and warming CANNOT make them any bigger because of two corollaries of a well-known physical law:

1. The freezing point of water is 0C (32F), and ice or snow cannot form above this temperature.

2. Short of a presidential executive order, the freezing point cannot be raised to allow for more moisture to be available.

Like the speed of light, it’s not just a good idea, it’s the law, and it clearly states that warmer cannot equal more extreme snow.

Now, the AGW apologists will gin and jerry their models to violate these physical laws, but one can also make pigs fly on a computer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wJAkz8X1M

Onwards….

“The United States has been walloped by twice as many of the most extreme snowstorms in the past 50 years than in the previous 60 years, according to an upcoming study…”

Well, you can look at the same data and draw different conclusions. May I refer you to a piece I wrote for the Science & Public Policy Institute, “ARE HUGE NORTHEAST SNOW STORMS DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING?”, at http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/ne_storms.pdf

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Chart 1 compares yearly winter snow totals (in blue) with winter mean temperatures (in red). The small circles are for individual winters, and the heavy lines are 30-year running means (since climate is defined by some, such as the WMO, as a 30-year average). The winter temperatures are plotted upside-down to show the correlation better. And the correlation is that warm spells, like those in the 1930s, 1950s, and 1990s, have less snow overall than cold epochs like the 1900s, 1910s, 1960s, and 1970s.

Simple plots of winter temperature and snowfall data for Philadelphia show two obvious things:

1. Colder winters have more snow and more big snow storms, in contradiction to the warming hypothesis. This would be obvious to most folk, but the warmers have a way for denying the obvious with clever theories.

2. Over the past 125 years there has been little or no trend in either winter temperatures or snowfall.

Chart 2 is a direct comparison of yearly snowfall with winter temperatures. The correlation coefficient (square root of R2) is greater than -0.5, which is not bad for anything in climate. It clearly shows a trend for more snow during colder winters, and less snow during mild winters. Philadelphia’s average annual snow fall is 20.5 inches, and the coldest winters produce about twice that amount, while the warmest winters are almost snowless.
Chart 2 is a direct comparison of yearly snowfall with winter temperatures. The correlation coefficient (square root of R2) is greater than -0.5, which is not bad for anything in climate. It clearly shows a trend for more snow during colder winters, and less snow during mild winters. Philadelphia’s average annual snow fall is 20.5 inches, and the coldest winters produce about twice that amount, while the warmest winters are almost snowless.

Less obvious, but apparent in closer scrutiny of the charts, is a small 60-year cycle in snow and temperature. These correspond well with the “Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscillation” (AMO), a huge oceanic cycle enveloping the entire Atlantic Ocean from the equator to Iceland. Joe D’Aleo has written extensively on this; just go to ICECAP.us, Wattsupwiththat.com, or other honest climate websites and do a search for combinations of “snow”, “AMO”, and the AMO’s Pacific cousin, “PDO”.

You can check this article, “Reliving the 1950s (and 1890s): the 60 year cycle” at

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/reliving_the_1950s_and_1890s_the_60_year_cycle/

Although I was raised in Philadelphia, and was present for the regional climate shift from hurricanes in the 1950s to the cold snowy winters of the 60s (due to the AMO, of course), I realize not everybody considers the city the center of the universe. Expanding to the entire Northeast, NOAA’s “Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale (NESIS)” also shows no overall change in the snow climate of the northeastern U.S. Read all about it at “Big Snows: Northeast U.S. and Colorado”

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/big_snows_northeast_us_and_colorado/

The Colorado part of that article has the same end point: giant storms in Colorado are not increasing or decreasing; out in the Rockies it’s all el Niño. More at:

“Thirty years in the Bull’s-eye: a climatology of meter-class snow storms in the Front Range foothills”

http://hydrosciences.colorado.edu/symposium/abstract_details_archive.php?abstract_id=155

Now movin’ on up to the South Side, Borenstein asks us to “take Chicago” (please!), which, along with the Northeast, has “been hit with historic storms in recent years”. The 2011 Blizzard was certainly impressive, with 21.2 inches of snow containing 1.57 inches of water equivalent. Not bad, but officially, it was a bit shy of 1967’s “Big Snow” (they didn’t use excessive superlatives like “superstorm”, “megastorm”, or “storm of the century” back then; “Big” was sufficient) which dumped 23.0 inches. More importantly, the water content of the storm was 2.40 inches, 53 percent greater than the recent blizzard. It would take 6C, or 11F, of global warming to produce that much more moisture, according to the warmers. Indeed, the Big Snow was warmer than the 2011 version, with temperatures close to freezing during the snow. Two days earlier Chicago enjoyed a record maximum of 65 degrees and the Midwest suffered its largest January tornado outbreak on record. One of the 32 tornadoes was a F3 monster in Wisconsin, the northernmost wintertime tornado in US history. I had moved to Chicago by then (follow the snow, I say), and although the ’67 storm fit perfectly the warming scenario now espoused by Serreze, Oppenheimer, and the like, I don’t recall anyone linking it to Global Warming 46 years ago. Not even Mayor Daley. Extreme weather is not new. Read more about these wild storms at:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/?n=2011blizzard

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/?n=67blizzard

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dvn/?n=01241967_tornadooutbreak

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=jan241967tornado

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_St._Louis_Tornado_Outbreak

There’s more nonsense in Borenstein’s article, but frankly, neither the taxpayer, the canola oil companies, or the Rockefellers pay me enough to spend all night refuting it all. Actually, they pay me nothing.

[Added/] And one more thing, about that “ragged edge”….

“Strong snowstorms thrive on the ragged edge of temperature – warm enough for the air to hold lots of moisture, meaning lots of precipitation, but just cold enough for it to fall as snow,” said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. “Increasingly, it seems that we’re on that ragged edge.”

Let’s look at some data to see if that’s the case.  Here’s climatological means, 1971-2000, for three substantial cities supposedly on the “ragged edge”:

NE winter climo

Taking the usual 10:1 snow to precipitation ratio, 31% of the precipitation falls as snow.  That means most of the precipitation already falls as rain, and always has (at least since weather records began).  That would place Boston, New York, and Philadelphia on the

warm side of Serreze’s “ragged edge”, a fact supported by the above freezing mean temperatures for these places.  Any warming – should it occur – would push that “ragged edge” even farther north and away from the cities.  That would mean more rain, less snow, and fewer big snow storms.

Since the winters aren’t getting warmer, it’s all a moot point. [/end addition]

The AGW gang summarize their apologetics by claiming they knew it all along.

“when Serreze, Oppenheimer and others look at the last few years of less snow overall, punctuated by big storms, they say this is what they are expecting in the future.

“It fits the pattern that we expect to unfold,” Oppenheimer said.

“Ten [unnamed] climate scientists say the idea of less snow and more blizzards makes sense: A warmer world is likely to decrease the overall amount of snow falling each year and shrink snow season.”

They’d have a point if they had said this five or ten years ago, before the recent round of big eastern storms. But they said no such thing. The last IPCC report claimed snowfall would decrease, and made no mention of larger snow storms in the northeastern US. In 2000, Oppenheimer himself lamented his daughter’s unused sled and that “the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling”.

New York Times 2000: “sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling”

Now Oppenheimer & Co. are trying to explain their way out of their dead wrong assessment without admitting the sad truth – that Global Warming, like Barney, is a dinosaur from their imaginations. And we – you – the taxpayer – are paying the AGW gang to cover their errors.

As for the changing climate,

“What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun” — Ecclesiastes 1:9 NIV

And the climatologists,

“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782

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UPDATE 1PM PST: I’ve contacted AP by both email and telephone per this page here:

http://www.ap.org/company/contact-us

So far the email has been ignored. Perhaps others will have better luck at getting a correction. An upcoming story on WUWT will further illustrate why Seth Borenstein has made a grievous error.

I spoke with a person named Corelaee, and her response was to simply ask me to talk to Seth directly, which we know will be a waste of time. So I’ve asked to speak to someone who can intervene. Keeps your fingers crossed.

UPDATE2: 4PM PST I’ve added some new content per Dr. Keen’s request between the [Added/] [/end addition] tags. See also the related story below. – Anthony

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Harold Ambler
February 19, 2013 6:39 am

Average people, who lack the attention span or willingness or both to pay attention to the lovely discussion Anthony has assembled here, may drive the industrialized world into extraordinary debt and dysfunction — all in the name of bunk scientific claims.
Part of this, as I have written, is the wedge people have put between themselves and the outdoors. People believe they love nature, even as they flee it.

jmrsudbury
February 19, 2013 6:41 am

Your first 3.8 should be 1.8 grams. — John M Reynolds
REPLY: Typo fixed, thanks – Anthony

jim bishop
February 19, 2013 6:49 am

“3.8 grams of water vapor. If all that condenses out as snow, you’ll get 1.8 grams of snow from that kilogram of air rising in a Low or along a front. That would likely be a cold, fluffy snow. Warm the air up to 0C (32F), and the water content of the air doubles to 3.8 grams”
Typo? 3.8 doubles to 7.6 .
REPLY: Typo fixed, thanks. Also, source table added – Anthony

February 19, 2013 6:54 am

Just read this article in the Denver Post. My wife brought it to my attention. It was so full of misinformation that I told her immediately after reading, at some point today, there will be a definitive rebuttal on WUWT. So, I got on & here it is already ! Good work!
My favorite quote from the article ….” …. the United States had an above-average snow cover for the past few months. But that’s a misleading statistic … ”
Oh, where to start with that one. I guess it’s only misleading when it doesn’t support your hypothesis. They go on to say that the snow pack is extensive but thin. So, you are saying it’s been cold & dry ? But the whole article is about it being warmer & wetter. You can’t have it both ways.
I think the biggest aggrevation of this article is that it is printed as “news” & that editors ether don’t have the skills to see this is an OpEd piece, not news or that they actually know it should be an OpEd piece but they choose to print it as news because it fits their political preferences. Either way, it’s just bad bad journalism.
My wife just reminded me …. ” remember to breathe “. These things do get me wound up :))

Mike M
February 19, 2013 7:14 am

They should have just stopped where they were a couple years ago: “Global warming causes colder winters.” But no.. they can’t help themselves…

geography lady
February 19, 2013 7:14 am

I read this newspaper article on page 3 of our very local newspaper. It ran around in circles as far as I could determine, trying to justify the “theory” of AGW. Unfortunately, most of the public does not have enough science education to critically think for themselves that this was just GIGO.

Pull My Finger
February 19, 2013 7:22 am

Oddly I just had a huge discussion on just this topic last week with a greenie weenie nut job. Trying to explain basic science, like it has to be freezing to snow, is an exasperating exercise with these people. She doubled back and contradicted herself about 10 times but still would not surrender to logic. She also could not comprehend that percipitation is driven by many factors beyond the moisture capacity of the air. She hear “Global Warming, humidity, SCARY WEATHER!” and that’s all she needed to be a convert. Not to mention No’easters happen every single year, several times, and usually a couple develop just like this one did, it just happened to dump all the snow on Boston rather than Binghampton or in the Poconos or some other sparsely populated area.

Katherine
February 19, 2013 7:29 am

Typo alert: Simple plots of winter temperature and snowfall data for Philadelphia snow two obvious things:
Shouldn’t this be “show”?
REPLY: Fixed thanks – A

Theo Goodwin
February 19, 2013 7:30 am

Wonderful article. It is joy to read good science and good argument. Thanks.

LamontT
February 19, 2013 7:30 am

I saw this article yesterday and thought of just how stupid it was then. I’m glad to see it addressed. Keep whacking those moles.

Kaboom
February 19, 2013 7:36 am

I think he should refer to them as “leading profiteers of a climate disaster narrative”

jeanparisot
February 19, 2013 7:38 am

Anthony, you need a pet AP writer to condense your post into wire articles.

Jeff Alberts
February 19, 2013 7:43 am

The US Pacific Northwest has gotten more snow in recent winters, due to the climate being colder and wetter than average, not due to warming. December 2008 saw the biggest Seattle area snowstorm in 50 or so years. The temps were in the teens and low 20s F much of the time. The snow stuck around for a week. The following few years gave us very cold Novermbers and Decembers, but very mild Januaries and Februaries. The snows came in Nov and Dec, very little in Jan and Feb.
It’s been so cool up here since then, we’ve really not had a summer in all that time. I’m hoping I’ll be able to mow my lawn in a Tshirt this year, instead of a sweatshirt and jacket, in August.

jorgekafkazar
February 19, 2013 7:49 am

Looking at it another way, a mass of warm air could adsorb a million pounds of water vapor at Point A. That takes an input of (roughly) 970 million BTUs. Sunshine. The tradewinds, etc., move the vapor to Point B, where it cools and dumps out as rain. That requires getting rid of 970 million BTUs, no small task, but happens all the time. The system is in balance, overall; in = out. But wait, it’s not snowing yet. To form snow, the vapor has to lose another 144 million BTUs to go from liquid water to solid. The system is out of balance by that extra 144 million BTUs lost. Losing heat more heat than was put in is characteristic of a cooling world, not a warming one. “Heat makes snow” is about as big a lie as was ever told by scientists. It’s clear they’re making this up as they go.

JP
February 19, 2013 7:55 am

Drudge carried the piece yesterday. So, I wonder if next winter is even drier and contains no big east coast snow events will we be back to “Cold, snowy winters will soon be a thing of the past” narrative?

JP
February 19, 2013 7:58 am

One other thing. About the Big Snow Chicago Snow of 1979: I believe it was Lake Effect snow. The forecasters missed a significant change in wind direction and Chitown got hammered with no warning. It cost Mayor Bilandic his job.

February 19, 2013 8:03 am

WUWT ROCKS!!!!!!!
Alfred

February 19, 2013 8:10 am

Whac-a-moling Isn’t that the green stuff
you spread on a chip? ]*7)…
Alfred

February 19, 2013 8:17 am

“The last IPCC report claimed snowfall would decrease, and made no mention of larger storms. ”
really?
Some excerpts
Regionally, the changes are a response to both increased temperature and increased precipitation (changes in circulation patterns) and are complicated by the competing effects of warming and increased snowfall in those regions that remain below freezing (see Section 4.2 for a further discussion of processes that affect snow cover). In general, snow amount and snow coverage decreases in the NH (Supplementary Material, Figure S10.1). However, in a few regions (e.g., Siberia), snow amount is projected to increase. This is attributed to the increase in precipitation (snowfall) from autumn to winter (Meleshko et al., 2004; Hosaka et al., 2005).
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Increases in winter precipitation for the NH
“In keeping with the projected northward displacement of the westerlies and the intensification of the Aleutian Low (Section 11.5.3.3), northern region precipitation is projected to increase, by the largest amount in autumn and by the largest fraction in winter. Due to the increased precipitable water, the increase in precipitation amount is likely to be larger on the windward slopes of the mountains in the west with orographic precipitation. In western regions, modest changes in annual mean precipitation are projected, but the majority of AOGCMs indicate an increase in winter and a decrease in summer. Models show greater consensus on winter increases (ensemble mean maximum of 15%) to the north and on summer decreases (ensemble mean maximum of –20%) to the south. These decreases are consistent with enhanced subsidence and flow of drier air masses in the southwest USA and northern Mexico resulting from an amplification of the subtropical anticyclone off the West Coast due to the land-sea contrast in warming (e.g., Mote and Mantua, 2002). However, this reduction is close to the inter-model spread so it contains large uncertainty, an assessment that is reinforced by the fact that some AOGCMs project an increase in precipitation.”
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More increases predicted, depending on the region. Go figure. Reading is fundamental
In a study of precipitation extremes over California, Bell et al. (2004) find that changes in precipitation exceeding the 95th percentile followed changes in mean precipitation, with decreases in heavy precipitation in most areas. Leung et al. (2004) find that extremes in precipitation during the cold season increase in the northern Rockies, the Cascades, the Sierra Nevada and British Columbia by up to 10% for 2040 to 2060, although mean precipitation was mostly reduced, in accord with earlier studies (Giorgi et al., 2001a). In a large river basin in the Pacific Northwest, increases in rainfall over snowfall and rain-on-snow events increased extreme runoff by 11%, which would contribute to more severe flooding. In their 25-km RCM simulations covering the entire USA, Diffenbaugh et al. (2005) find widespread increases in extreme precipitation events under SRES A2, which they determine to be significant.
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Still More predictions of increases. Reading is mandatory.
The ensemble mean of the MMD models projects a general decrease in snow depth (Chapter 10) as a result of delayed autumn snowfall and earlier spring snowmelt. In some regions where winter precipitation is projected to increase, the increased snowfall can more than make up for the shorter snow season and yield increased snow accumulation. Snow depth increases are projected by some GCMs over some land around the Arctic Ocean (Figure S10.1) and by some RCMs in the northernmost part of the Northwest Territories (Figure 11.13). In principle a similar situation could arise at lower latitudes at high elevations in the Rocky Mountains, although most models project a widespread decrease of snow depth there (Kim et al., 2002; Snyder et al., 2003; Leung et al., 2004; see also Box 11.3).
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Artic increases in precipitation
The spatial pattern of the projected change (Supplementary Material Figure S11.28) shows the greatest percentage increase over the Arctic Ocean (30 to 40%) and smallest (and even slight decrease) over the northern North Atlantic (<5%). By the end of the 21st century, the projected change in the annual mean arctic precipitation varies from 10 to 28%, with an MMD-A1B ensemble median of 18% (Table 11.1). Larger (smaller) mean precipitation increases are found for the A2 (B1) scenario with 22% (13%). The percentage precipitation increase is largest in winter and smallest in summer, consistent with the projected warming (Figure 11.19; Table 11.1). The across-model scatter of the precipitation projections is substantial (Figure 11.19; Table 11.1). The Tebaldi et al. (2004a) 5th to 95th percentile confidence interval of percentage precipitation change in winter is 13 to 36% and in summer 5 to 19% (Supplementary Material Table S11.2).
Antarctica
Almost all MMD models simulate a robust precipitation increase in the 21st century (Supplementary Material Figures S11.29 and S11.30; Table 11.1). However, the scatter among the individual models is considerable. By the end of the 21st century, the projected change in the annual precipitation over the Antarctic continent varies from –2% to 35%, with a MMD-A1B ensemble median of 14% (Table 11.1). Similar (smaller) mean precipitation increase is found for the A2 (B1) scenario, with values of 15% (10%). The spatial pattern of the annual change is rather uniform (Supplementary Material Figure S11.30). The projected relative precipitation change shows a seasonal dependency, and is larger in winter than in summer (Supplementary Material Figure S11.29). The Tebaldi et al. (2004a) 5 to 95% confidence interval for winter is –1 to 34% and in summer –6 to 22% (Supplementary Material Table S11.2). The projected increase in precipitation over Antarctica and thus greater accumulation of snow, without substantial surface melting, will contribute negatively to sea level rise relative to the present day (see Section 10.6). It is notable that the most recent model studies of antarctic precipitation show no significant contemporary trends (Van de Berg et al., 2005; Monaghan et al., 2006; Van den Broeke et al., 2006; see Section 4.6).
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I suppose it would be too much trouble to actually read the science. Much easier to pick cherries. At this point you have these choices.
1. Argue that the text does not mean what it says
2. Apologize for misleading folks
3. Attack me
4. Change the topic.
5. Attack some other part of the science and gish gallop away.
6. Admit you didnt read the document you criticized
7. Ignore the findings
8. Attack models that predicted the very thing you deny they predicted.
9. Post a you tube video of kittens

February 19, 2013 8:18 am

I lived outside DC in the mid 80’s, we had 2 really large snows, each dumped over 20″ of snow. They both happened with the same weather pattern.
A low came up the east coast out of the gulf, and then was hit by a cold front coming out of the north west. Where those two systems collided produced huge snows.
The big Boston snow was the same pattern, just the path of the systems, and where they collided was different. And it sounds like the Big Chicago snow was the same thing, warm moist air out of the gulf, got walloped by a cold front, only this time it happened a few hundred miles to the west.

February 19, 2013 8:33 am

I don’t even bother reading “articles” from Seth anymore.

philincalifornia
February 19, 2013 8:33 am

I read this on the Huffington Post earlier and, after making a derogatory comment about Huffington Post readers on here yesterday, I now have to eat my own words (in public).
Almost every comment there was of the “Global warming causes less blizzards more blizzards, yeah right?” type. Mark Serreze, and other “leading federal and university climate scientists” must surely know that they’ve jumped the shark now ?

Mark Bofill
February 19, 2013 8:36 am

Steven Mosher says:
February 19, 2013 at 8:17 am
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1) I don’t know that knocking down the sentence

The last IPCC report claimed snowfall would decrease, and made no mention of larger storms.

knocks down the article.
2) Depending on region seems to be key. Awful lot of ‘decreases in heavy precipitation in most areas’ followed by ‘increase in the northern Rockies, the Cascades, the Sierra Nevada and British Columbia’ followed by ‘although mean precipitation was mostly reduced‘ followed by ‘find widespread increases in extreme precipitation events’ – other simpletons like myself may also have difficulty deciphering, could you translate?
3) I like videos of kittens.

February 19, 2013 8:37 am

“Reliving the 1950s (and 1890s): the 60 year cycle” at
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/reliving_the_1950s_and_1890s_the_60_year_cycle/
Hey, this is the model I’ve been trumpeting – check out the weather of 60 years ago to get a forecast (70 years ago if you want to do a 10 year one).

cotwome
February 19, 2013 8:40 am

Steven Mosher says:
February 19, 2013 at 8:17 am
“The last IPCC report claimed snowfall would decrease, and made no mention of larger storms. ”
really?
Some excerpts:…
From your excerpts, it clearly says, “In general, snow amount and snow coverage decreases in the NH (Supplementary Material, Figure S10.1)”
Also from your excerpts, they never even mention the word ‘storm’, let alone the size of storms.
I don’t see how you refuted anything Dr. Richard Keen said. To be fair, I only read your excerpts so I may have missed it!?

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