New research in Antarctica shows CO2 follows temperature "by a few hundred years at most"

The question of “which comes first, the temperature or the CO2 rise?” has been much like the proverbial “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” question. This seems to settle it – temperature came first, followed by an increase in CO2 outgassing from the ocean surrounding Antarctica.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” – Sune Olander Rasmussen

Fig. 2. Lag histograms for the two methods of determining the lag of atmospheric CO2 after regional Antarctic temperature changes (direct correlation and correlation of derivatives), using each of the two CO2 data sets (Byrd and Siple Dome). The gray background histograms are based on the complete Tproxy composite, the same as in Fig. 1b. The superimposed curves show the corresponding lag histograms when excluding in turn each of the 5 records from the Tproxy composite (jack-knifing): excluding Siple (red), excluding Law Dome (green), excluding Byrd (blue), excluding EDML (cyan), and excluding Talos Dome (magenta).

From the University of Copenhagen – Rise in temperatures and CO2 follow each other closely in climate change

The greatest climate change the world has seen in the last 100,000 years was the transition from the ice age to the warm interglacial period. New research from the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen indicates that, contrary to previous opinion, the rise in temperature and the rise in the atmospheric CO2 follow each other closely in terms of time. The results have been published in the scientific journal, Climate of the Past. 

The Australian ice core drilling camp at Law Dome in Antarctica.

In the warmer climate the atmospheric content of CO2 is naturally higher. The gas CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a green-house gas that absorbs heat radiation from the Earth and thus keeps the Earth warm. In the shift between ice ages and interglacial periods the atmospheric content of CO2 helps to intensify the natural climate variations.

It had previously been thought that as the temperature began to rise at the end of the ice age approximately 19,000 years ago, an increase in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere followed with a delay of up to 1,000 years.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen, Associate Professor and centre coordinator at the Centre for Ice and Climate at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen.

An ice core from the deep drilling through the ice sheet at

Law Dome in Antarctica.

Deep-sea’s important role

The research, which was carried out in collaboration with researchers from the University of Tasmania in Australia, is based on measurements of ice cores from five boreholes through the ice sheet in Antarctica. The ice sheet is formed by snow that doesn’t melt, but remains year after year and is gradually compressed into kilometers thick ice. During the compression, air is trapped between the snowflakes and as a result the ice contains tiny samples of ancient atmospheres. The composition of the ice also shows what the temperature was when the snow fell, so the ice is an archive of past climate and atmospheric composition.

“The ice cores show a nearly synchronous relationship between the temperature in Antarctica and the atmospheric content of CO2, and this suggests that it is the processes in the deep-sea around Antarctica that play an important role in the CO2 increase,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen.

Figure 1 – The research results show that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere followed the temperature in Antarctica closely throughout the shift from ice age to interglacial in the period 19-11,000 years before the present. The green curve shows the temperature from measurements from the 5 ice cores marked on the map. The red and blue curves show the atmospheric CO2 content in the air bubbles in the ice cores from the two bores at Siple Dome (red) and Byrd (blue). The analysis shows that the CO2 concentration follows the increase in temperature with a delay of no more than a few hundred years. That the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere follows the Antarctic temperature so closely suggests that processes in the ocean around Antarctica play an important role in the rise in CO2.

He explains that one of the theories is that when Antarctica warms up, there will be stronger winds over the Southern Ocean and the winds pump more water up from the deep bottom layers in the ocean where there is a high content of CO2 from all of the small organisms that die and fall down to the sea floor and rot. When strong winds blow over the Southern Ocean, the ocean circulation brings more of the CO2-rich bottom water up to the surface and a portion of this CO2 is released into the atmosphere. This process links temperature and CO2 together and the new results suggest that the linking is closer and happens faster than previously believed.

Climatic impact

The global temperature changed naturally because of the changing solar radiation caused by variations in the Earth’s orbit around the Sun, the Earth’s tilt and the orientation of the Earth’s axis. These are called the Milankowitch cycles and occur in periods of approximately 100,000, 42,000, and 22,000 years. These are the cycles that cause the Earth’s climate to shift between long ice ages of approximately 100,000 years and warm interglacial periods, typically 10,000 – 15,000 years. The natural warming of the climate was intensified by the increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

“What we are observing in the present day is the mankind has caused the CO2 content in the atmosphere to rise as much in just 150 years as it rose over 8,000 years during the transition from the last ice age to the current interglacial period and that can bring the Earth’s climate out of balance,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen adding “That is why it is even more important that we have a good grip on which processes caused the climate of the past to change, because the same processes may operate in addition to the anthropogenic changes we see today. In this way the climate of the past helps us to understand how the various parts of the climate systems interact and what we can expect in the future.”

Tightened constraints on the time-lag between Antarctic temperature and CO2 during the last deglaciation

J. B. Pedro1,2, S. O. Rasmussen3, and T. D. van Ommen2,4

1Antarctic Climate & Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre, University of Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

2Institute of Marine and Antarctic Studies, University of Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

3Centre for Ice and Climate, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, Denmark

4Australian Antarctic Division, Kingston, Tasmania, Australia

Abstract. Antarctic ice cores provide clear evidence of a close coupling between variations in Antarctic temperature and the atmospheric concentration of CO2 during the glacial/interglacial cycles of at least the past 800-thousand years. Precise information on the relative timing of the temperature and CO2 changes can assist in refining our understanding of the physical processes involved in this coupling. Here, we focus on the last deglaciation, 19 000 to 11 000 yr before present, during which CO2 concentrations increased by ~80 parts per million by volume and Antarctic temperature increased by ~10 °C. Utilising a recently developed proxy for regional Antarctic temperature, derived from five near-coastal ice cores and two ice core CO2 records with high dating precision, we show that the increase in CO2 likely lagged the increase in regional Antarctic temperature by less than 400 yr and that even a short lead of CO2 over temperature cannot be excluded. This result, consistent for both CO2 records, implies a faster coupling between temperature and CO2 than previous estimates, which had permitted up to millennial-scale lags.

Final Revised Paper (PDF, 463 KB)   Discussion Paper (CPD)

Citation: Pedro, J. B., Rasmussen, S. O., and van Ommen, T. D.: Tightened constraints on the time-lag between Antarctic temperature and CO2 during the last deglaciation, Clim. Past, 8, 1213-1221, doi:10.5194/cp-8-1213-2012, 2012.

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David Larsen
July 23, 2012 2:49 pm

In other words, increased CO2 levels are a ‘lagging indicator’ and not a cause. There is no correlation with increased CO2 levels increasing any thermal levels on the earth’s surface. While the sun heats the earth, CO2 levels increase as a cause and effect relationship and that cause is the increased sun radiation and heating of the earth. NOT the other way around, PERIOD!

July 23, 2012 3:12 pm

Given that only about 3.5 percent of annual atmospheric CO2 emissions are man-made (96.5 percent are from natural sources), I doubt it very much that “mankind has caused the CO2 content in the atmosphere to rise as much in just 150 years as it rose over 8,000 years during the transition from the last ice age to the current interglacial period and that can bring the Earth’s climate out of balance.
The tail does not wag the dog.

Robbie
July 23, 2012 3:17 pm

Well it looks like everywhere you read in the scientific literature it is constantly the same story. CO2 causing warming and the climate to change. The amount of warming and what impact it will have is still a mystery, but a change will come.
Nice piece by the way.

Merovign
July 23, 2012 3:18 pm

Pro hoc, ergo propter hoc…?

wikeroy
July 23, 2012 3:20 pm

I thought this was shown by Petit et al…….

cui bono
July 23, 2012 3:21 pm

I don’t quite see why getting more precision on the temperature -> CO2 timeframe casts more light on the debate of chicken and egg. That temperature rise precedes CO2 rise in Antartica is accepted. It was Shakun et al (2012) who came up with the most egregiously Heath Robinson (sorry, Rube Goldberg) ‘get out clause’ for this, which was well-covered here. Am I missing something?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/06/a-reply-shakun-et-al-dr-munchausen-explains-science-by-proxy/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/07/shakun-redux-master-tricksed-us-i-told-you-he-was-tricksy/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/shakun-the-last-i-hope/

AleaJactaEst
July 23, 2012 3:22 pm

“……..“What we are observing…..is the mankind has caused the CO2 content in the atmosphere to rise as much in just 150 years as it rose over 8,000 years …. and that can bring the Earth’s climate out of balance,…..” – the “we won’t get published unless we h/t to CAGW” moneyshot.
“……that can bring the Earths’ climate out of balance….” – what balance?, scientific credence please. Correlation is not causation. Basic, simples.

chris y
July 23, 2012 3:26 pm

The graph leaves little room for the hypothetical positive feedback of additional temperature rise from increased CO2.

Don
July 23, 2012 3:36 pm

Hmmm… interesting headline on that press release. Makes as much sense as, “Tractors and trailers follow each other closely on highways.”

July 23, 2012 3:37 pm

From the beginning of the article: “This seems to settle it” Careful when you say that, is this settled science?

July 23, 2012 3:38 pm

He explains that one of the theories is that when Antarctica warms up, there will be stronger winds over the Southern Ocean
I’d expect the opposite for 2 reasons.
The winds over Antarctica are katabatic. That is they are driven by the density of the air and colder is denser. These katabatic winds drive air circulations over the adjacent ocean and in particular the upwelling near the coast.
Secondly, it’s generally accepted that the temperature differential between the tropics and the poles influences the strength of the mid to high latitude circulation systems. A warmer Antarctica would reduce this temperature difference, reducing wind strength in the mid-latitude circulations.

R. Shearer
July 23, 2012 3:54 pm

The accuracy of CO2 measurements in ice cores has never been established. In any case, cause preceeds effect not the other way round, Robbie.

RoyFOMR
July 23, 2012 4:06 pm

@Robbie
‘CO2 causing warming and the climate to change’
You just scored an F on reading comprehension mate. Try again (Hint – get a responsible adult to help)
🙂

Entropic man
July 23, 2012 4:08 pm

If I remember the sequence correctly, an interstadial starts as the alignment of the Milankovich cycles increases solar insolation in high Northern latitudes.
This increases the temperature in that region, triggering changes such as thawing of tundra and subsequent decay of previously frozen organic matter.
Decay releases CO2 and this amplifies the temperature change.
At the end of the interstadial slow cooling due to orbital realignment reduces temperatures and respiration, reducing CO2 and, once again accelerating the cooling trend.
CO2 is not the driver of the temperature changes , but an amplifier of the Milankovich changes in both directions.
You would expect the CO2 concentration to follow the temperature, which is what Rasmussen has found.

July 23, 2012 4:18 pm

When people I really like like Paul McCartney use the carbon devil to rustle up converts to save the Arctic, I get depressed. I was fantasizing about the arctic and antarctic when I was 5 or 6 in the late 50’s when he didn’t know what it was. But now that he’s spouting some absolute nonsense about saving the north pole.I find it just dead depressing.
I find it extremely depressing to see people I really like and admire so thoroughly brain-washed. I learned so much from him about music and other things, that it feels churlish to beef about his need to save people, After all didn’t that ex-wife with the stump cost him about $250M?:] I felt badly about that. After all, when I was 12 I tried to move heaven and earth to get to the airport to see the Beatles land their first visit to the US. Murray the K and Cousin Brucie were exhorting us all to go. Alas, I didn’t get there. So I guess Paul McCartney gets a pass because I just can’t make myself be angry at him, no matter what he says.
But I wish that skeptics had a cause so we could look cute and fuzzy, on google+ or Facebook or wherever instead of looking like the heartless bastards we are standing by and watching while the planet fries in its own grease!:]

jim
July 23, 2012 4:29 pm

2012-400=1612
Well, what do you know – 1612 is in the Little Ice age!
Thanks
JK

July 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Yawn…. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jimbo
July 23, 2012 4:48 pm

“”What we are observing in the present day is the mankind has caused the CO2 content in the atmosphere to rise as much in just 150 years as it rose over 8,000 years during the transition from the last ice age to the current interglacial period and that can bring the Earth’s climate out of balance,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen adding….””

That’s right folks, a greening biosphere is a bad thing. A very tiny rise in temperature coming out of the Little Ice Age has lead to more (less) famines. Prepare for calamity and Thermarmageddon.

Robbie says:
July 23, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Well it looks like everywhere you read in the scientific literature it is constantly the same story. CO2 causing warming and the climate to change. The amount of warming and what impact it will have is still a mystery, but a change will come…..

Yaaaawn! Can you let me know right now when the climate never changed???? This is your opportunity. Or do you mean the lack of warming caused by co2 over the past 15 years??? Take your pick but give me an answer. By the way far higher levels of co2 failed to stop ice ages. So much for runaway global warming and tipping points.

Gail Combs
July 23, 2012 4:50 pm

David G says: July 23, 2012 at 4:18 pm
… But I wish that skeptics had a cause so we could look cute and fuzzy, on google+ or Facebook or wherever instead of looking like the heartless bastards we are standing by and watching while the planet fries in its own grease!
_____________________________________
But we do have a “Cause” that cause is trying to prevent little old ladies from freezing to death and babies from starving while the Banksters make money hand over fist and so does the Ag Cartel and the World Bank funds the theft of land from peasant farmers. All moves disguised as “helping fight CAGW”
Heck we are even fighting the Meglomaniacs trying to take over the world!
See all you have to do is frame your message correctly and WUWT are bloody HEROES!
(I wish I could add the /sarc tag but I can’t because the above and the links are the truth.)

July 23, 2012 5:17 pm

If CO2 follows temperature and it certainly appears so and given that CO2 is a green house gas then it is also has a positive (undesirable) feedback effect. I do not see this issue mentioned in the literature. With both CO2 and water vapour being positive feedback, where is the negative feedback that leads to moderate short term stability?

July 23, 2012 5:35 pm

Imagine if we lived in a time of free scientific inquiry. This scientist would be saying that this data throws doubt on the central role of CO2 in raising temperature.
I have only previously seen scientific dissembling on a massive scale like this during the IQ and race debates of the 1960’s. After failing in their goal , the people who had confidently predicted the “gap” would be closed had the IQ tests banned. But, they never admitted they were wrong, and never apologized to the people they vilified for speaking the truth. And, no “respectable” social scientist ever spoke up to criticize this effort. Because, like global warming, if you criticized the effort you were expelled from respectable social science circles. The intolerance then was no different from the intolerance now. And, the outcome will be the same. Failure, and many, many lives blighted, all in the name of vanity.

Pamela Gray
July 23, 2012 5:35 pm

I hear ya. Sean Connery, who is still hot, hot, hot, is a green watermelon. I cried for days. And I DO mean loud wailing and gnashing of teeth! I was even ready to cut my long red locks in mourning but was afraid my fellow Irish elves and leprechauns would have a fit.
Long live Charlton Heston. One of the few hollywood stars with cojones.

Mason P Wilson, Jr, Ph.D retired professor of Thermodynamics and a weatherman in service
July 23, 2012 5:40 pm

A few years after the first core was analyzed and found CO2 preceding the temperature rise , a second core was analyzed showing that many times CO2 lagged the temperature. I don’t know why this second core never appears to be cited, even by the skeptics.

epolvi
July 23, 2012 5:41 pm

Do we know how much the atmospheric pressure and consequently the partial pressure of CO2 has changed over that period of time?

Rob Dawg
July 23, 2012 5:46 pm

Anthroprogenic CO2 today has caused global warming several hundred years in the past. Proven. This is sooooo cool. Cool? Sorry. Think of the lives we can save in 1816 by pumping out a few gigatons at the right moment sometime in the next few hundred years.

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