Tesla's Electric "brick" problem

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Jalopnik reports:

“Tesla Motors’ lineup of all-electric vehicles — its existing Roadster, almost certainly its impending Model S, and possibly its future Model X — apparently suffer from a severe limitation that can largely destroy the value of the vehicle.

If the battery is ever totally discharged, the owner is left with what Tesla describes as a “brick”: a completely immobile vehicle that cannot be started or even pushed down the street.

The only known remedy is for the owner to pay Tesla approximately $40,000 to replace the entire battery. Unlike practically every other modern car problem, neither Tesla’s warranty nor typical car insurance policies provide any protection from this major financial loss. ”

The article continues:

How To Brick An Electric Car

A Tesla Roadster that is simply parked without being plugged in will eventually become a “brick”. The parasitic load from the car’s always-on subsystems continually drains the battery and if the battery’s charge is ever totally depleted, it is essentially destroyed. Complete discharge can happen even when the car is plugged in if it isn’t receiving sufficient current to charge, which can be caused by something as simple as using an extension cord. After battery death, the car is completely inoperable. At least in the case of the Tesla Roadster, it’s not even possible to enable tow mode, meaning the wheels will not turn and the vehicle cannot be pushed nor transported to a repair facility by traditional means.

The amount of time it takes an unplugged Tesla to die varies. Tesla’s Roadster Owners Manual [Full Zipped PDF] states that the battery should take approximately 11 weeks of inactivity to completely discharge [Page 5-2, Column 3: PDF]. However, that is from a full 100% charge. If the car has been driven first, say to be parked at an airport for a long trip, that time can be substantially reduced. If the car is driven to nearly its maximum range and then left unplugged, it could potentially “brick” in about one week.[1] Many other scenarios are possible: for example, the car becomes unplugged by accident, or is unwittingly plugged into an extension cord that is defective or too long.

Source:

http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

h/t to Popular Technology

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This seems to be a problem exclusive to lithium-ion battery technology, not lead-acid systems. Seems to me that all that is needed is a master kill switch for the mains. I’d rather reprogram my radio and other gadgets than spend $40k on a new battery pack.

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Latitude
February 22, 2012 4:55 pm

So now we know there’s a $40,000 up charge….for the brick
Wonder if a 250 chev block will fit in one?

Clavius
February 22, 2012 5:01 pm

How about a 9-volt to keep the radio alive and have a full kill switch to preserve the battery.

Editor
February 22, 2012 5:08 pm

Dang … seems to me they would have put in a low-charge sensor connected to a kill switch the first week. But hey, it’s greenies, I guess no one wanted to make bad vibes …
w.

GeoLurking
February 22, 2012 5:10 pm

Dunno…. but you would probably get the same performance as the 327 equipped Chevy Monza.

Dave
February 22, 2012 5:13 pm

I have my doubts about the accuracy of the story Jalopnik is (re-)reporting. I can’t imagine any consumer having trouble winning a case against Tesla for selling an unfit product if this is a real problem. It’s obvious that they should have included a protective system of some kind.

Bill
February 22, 2012 5:14 pm

When people need to buy new batteries that is $40K of STIMULUS!
(you know, just like when some punk breaks your window)

Gary Hladik
February 22, 2012 5:17 pm

Just what I always wanted: a $100,000 Tamagotchi pet!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi

GogogoStopSTOP
February 22, 2012 5:17 pm

I’ve been involve in a few incidents in the corporate world where a high failure rate in the customer’s environment was projected by engineering experimentation & calculations. When the customer failure rate is high, when the engineers say it’s high for a certain condition, that cannot be ameliorated, the “failure rate problems” quickly turns into a financial exercise.
When the failures make a material impact on profit, i.e., when they get significant enough to have to put excess material aside & dedicate significant production time to the replacement of the failed parts, an accounting must be accrued. This ‘reserve’ must be disclosed to stockholders. If the company is small, like Tesla, this could spell disaster.
My suspicion is that they have to “ignore” this problem inside Tesla. If they address the problem & if the engineers say it’s really large, then the accountants will have to move for a reserve against current earnings.
If the above scenario were to happen, Tesla has two brick problems: 1) dead car batteries & 2) a dead corporation.

Lew Skannen
February 22, 2012 5:18 pm

And to think that I once used to laugh at some of the weirder inventions of history.
Reminds me of some of the ideas my technogeek friends came up with at work.
1. WOM – write only memory. For stuff you want to save but never want to read again.
2. Mouse Tremble Pad – Put your mouse on it while you are away from your desk and it keeps the mouse moving thereby preventing the screen saver coming on and forcing you to laboriously log in again.

February 22, 2012 5:20 pm

It would never sell in Australia – everything here runs off powerboards and extension cords.

Zac
February 22, 2012 5:24 pm

But surely they can put in a device that cuts off the battery at a certain voltage?

sped
February 22, 2012 5:25 pm

Even if you have a master kill,you have to shut down early like at 15% charge.so you give up. A good portion of your range.
It is a hazard, like reving an engine past redline til it ‘bricks’. Just another failure mode to be aware of.

February 22, 2012 5:27 pm

Holy crap, one might say. Lots of us leave our vehicle sitting for more than a couple of weeks – I see vehicles, nice vehicles, covered in snowfall after snowfall on our Calgary streets. It always amazes me how many people have vehicles they clearly only sporatically use. And in the well-to-do neighbourhoods, where people go to Mexico for a month …
A Testla left standing for a few weeks that dies and cannot be returned to life. What a concept.

Chris Edwards
February 22, 2012 5:30 pm

How about a 2 stroke back up generator that cust on when the battery reaches a certain point??

Zac
February 22, 2012 5:32 pm

Instead of charging up a battery overnight would it not be better to wind up a clockwork spring or even a hydraulic accumulator?

John Cooper
February 22, 2012 5:47 pm

Zac says: “But surely they can put in a device that cuts off the battery at a certain voltage?”
Well think about that for a moment. That would require some kind of a relay that would handle…what?…1000 Amps or something? You’re talking big bucks there.

Nerd
February 22, 2012 5:48 pm

Tesla? LOL. Maybe they forgot to build Tesla coil power plants to help keep the batteries repleted?

RockyRoad
February 22, 2012 5:49 pm

All electric vehicles run essentially on coal. And remember what Obama said? “Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket”. So who of you would buy a car where they’re basically guaranteed the “fuel” price is going to skyrocket?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

George Steiner
February 22, 2012 5:53 pm

Even if you disconnect a battery, it will discharge through its internal resistance.

GogogoStopSTOP
February 22, 2012 5:54 pm

For those with proposals for engineering “fixes:” it’s like breathing. If humans don’t breath every so often, we die. If Teslas go too long, without being charged, they die, i.e., “brick.” There’s plenty of failsafe ideas, they just cost money & highlight the problem to everyone concerned.
They should have disclosed this as a material event to investors. But… it they did, their IPO would have been… you guessed it… a BRICK!

February 22, 2012 6:01 pm

Seems like an old-fashioned electromechanical voltage regulator could firmly disconnect the battery when its voltage drops below threshold. Ten dollars.
This is exactly what happens when you let theory-minded pure-digital people design a machine that needs to be mostly analog.

Sam Hall
February 22, 2012 6:01 pm

This happens with lead acid batteries used in telecommunications. The answer is called a “Low Voltage Disconnect” Google that term and you will find lots of people selling them. Clearly, the car should have one.

David Falkner
February 22, 2012 6:04 pm

Good Lord. Fat chance the average person will buy one with that sort of guillotine hanging over their head. And who could blame them? A $40,000 battery?

February 22, 2012 6:16 pm

Then there’s the fun event where the 400 volt wiring to the two 250 hp rear electric motors get cut in an accident. Think MEGA arc welder going off in the back seat. The Prius is no prince either. Their Nickel Hydride pack are good for 400 recharge cycles. Then the pack costs $8,000 to replace. So….you save $1,000 per year on elec home charges over gas prices on the Tesla and every eight years you got a battery bill for $40k. The Prius saves $1,000 on gas every year and you kick in 8 large every 8 years. If this is not sounding like a practicle green solution, then read “Green Prince of Darkness” and figure out the solar cell erosion trick.

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