RealClimate's Steig: Pacific SST's influencing Antarctic melt, no link to human causes demonstrated

WUWT readers may recall the Nature cover with this picture of Antarctica at left, followed by the subsequent falsification of the Antarctic warming claims made by Steig et al using the dicey Mannomatic math employed. We owe thanks to O’Donnell et al and Jeff Id for doing the work showing that the warming was mainly in the Peninsula, and the Mannomatic smeared the data over the rest of the continent.

Now, from the University of Washington  press office, comes this press release from Dr. Eric Steig on Antarctica that is really quite interesting.  Bolding below is mine.

Tropical sea temperatures influence melting in Antarctica

Accelerated melting of two fast-moving outlet glaciers that drain Antarctic ice into the Amundsen Sea Embayment is likely the result, in part, of an increase in sea-surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific Ocean, according to new University of Washington research.

Higher-than-normal sea-level pressure north of the Amundsen Sea sets up westerly winds that push surface water away from the glaciers and allow warmer deep water to rise to the surface under the edges of the glaciers, said Eric Steig, a UW professor of Earth and space sciences.

“This part of Antarctica is affected by what’s happening on the rest of the planet, in particular the tropical Pacific,” he said.

The research involves the Pine Island and Thwaites glaciers on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, two of the five largest glaciers in Antarctica. Those two glaciers are important because they drain a large portion of the ice sheet. As they melt from below, they also gain speed, draining the ice sheet faster and contributing to sea level rise. Eventually that could lead to global sea level rise of as much as 6 feet, though that would take hundreds to thousands of years, Steig said.

NASA scientists recently documented that a section of the Pine Island Glacier the size of New York City had begun breaking off into a huge iceberg. Steig noted that such an event is normal and scientists were fortunate to be on hand to record it on film. Neither that event nor the new UW findings clearly link thinning Antarctic ice to human causes.

But Steig’s research shows that unusual winds in this area are linked to changes far away, in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Warmer-than-usual sea-surface temperatures, especially in the central tropics, lead to changes in atmospheric circulation that influence conditions near the Antarctic coast line. Recent decades have been exceptionally warm in the tropics, he said, and to whatever extent unusual conditions in the tropical Pacific can be attributed to human activities, unusual conditions in Antarctica also can be attributed to those causes.

He noted that sea-surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific last showed significant warming in the 1940s, and the impact in the Amundsen Sea area then was probably comparable to what has been observed recently. That suggests that the 1940s tropical warming could have started the changes in the Amundsen Sea ice shelves that are being observed now, he said.

Steig presents his findings Tuesday (Dec. 6) at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. In another presentation Wednesday, he will discuss evidence from ice cores on the history of Antarctic climate in the last century.

He emphasized that natural variations in tropical sea-surface temperatures associated with the El Niño Southern Oscillation play a significant role. The 1990s were notably different from all other decades in the tropics, with two major El Niño events offset by only minor La Niña events.

“The point is that if you want to predict what’s going to happen in the next fifty, one-hundred, one-thousand years in Antarctica, you have to pay attention to what’s happening elsewhere,” he said. “The tropics are where there is a large source of uncertainty.”

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Other researchers involved with the work are Qinghua Ding and David Battisti of the UW and Adrian Jenkins of the British Antarctic Survey. The research is supported by grants from the National Science Foundation, the United Kingdom’s Natural Environment Research Council and the UW Quaternary Research Center.

For more information, contact Steig at 206-685-3715, 206-543-6327 or steig@uw.edu.

To view a NASA video of the crack in the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, see: http://bit.ly/uPFruW

In October, 2011, NASA’s Operation IceBridge discovered a major rift in the Pine Island Glacier in western Antarctica. This crack, which extends at least 18 miles and is 50 meters deep, could produce an iceberg more than 800 square kilometers in size. IceBridge scientists returned soon after to make the first-ever detailed airborne measurements of a major iceberg calving in progress. (Credit: NASA/Goddard/Jefferson Beck)

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TomRude
December 6, 2011 7:44 am

Steig in another case of tail wags the dog… LOL

Joe
December 6, 2011 7:51 am

Well, it’s nice to see some normalization of the science coming from that end. This is the kind of off-narrative report that, were it 2005, would have Mann drumming up support for black balling Steig.
Well, either that or this is one of those reports that we see the team building in the latest emails to help build their bonifides in preparation for their next “your face will melt!” study.

December 6, 2011 7:52 am

So the Peninsula is warming just like in 40ties and the bulk of Antarctic is cooling (but this was not said). That pesky back-radiation is still maliciously hiding behind ENSO, NAO, AMO, jet streams and sea currents.

Interstellar Bill
December 6, 2011 7:59 am

If they truly cared about the Earth,
the Warmistas would be happy to find there’s nothing to be alarmed about.
It’s truly telling that good news for Earth is bad news for the ‘Cause’.

DJ
December 6, 2011 7:59 am

I’m still puzzled that there seems to be no consideration of subsea vents or volcanic activity which abounds in the peninsula region, heat sources which are region specific….and I’ve never seen any studies of the ground temps on land that are beneath the ice that could account for melting.

Gail Combs
December 6, 2011 8:13 am

ERRRRrrrr,
If you go look at Bob Tisdale’s most recent post it is the INDIAN ocean that is warm not the others. (See first picture at top of post )
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/05/november-2011-sea-surface-temperature-sst-anomaly-update/
Picture: http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/0-map.png?w=640
Indian Ocean Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomalies
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/11-indian.png?w=640&h=420&h=420
Southern Ocean Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomalies
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/13-southern.png?w=640&h=420&h=420
Southern Hemisphere Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomalies
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/6-so-hem.png?w=640&h=420&h=420
South Pacific Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomalies
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/10-so-pac.png?w=640&h=420&h=420
A special thanks to Bob Tisdale for all the hard work he has done.

pat
December 6, 2011 8:20 am

Wonder if the break off will be described in Manhattans or Gizas?

Gail Combs
December 6, 2011 8:26 am

DJ says:
December 6, 2011 at 7:59 am
I’m still puzzled that there seems to be no consideration of subsea vents or volcanic activity which abounds in the peninsula region, heat sources which are region specific….and I’ve never seen any studies of the ground temps on land that are beneath the ice that could account for melting.
__________________________
LINK: http://www.iceagenow.com/Underwater_volcanoes_heating_Antarctic_waters.htm
Thousand of new volcanoes revealed beneath the waves
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12218
And then there are the lakes under the glaciers…..
Antarctic Lakes: 145 and Counting, Scientists Say
….”The lakes lie beneath blankets of ice up to 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) thick and are considered one of the great unexplored frontiers on Earth. “…
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1101_041101_antarctic_lakes.html
Other news:
Antarctic Desert http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0226_030226_McMurdo.html
Ice Buildup Hampers Penguin Breeding in Antarctica http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/01/0117_020117antarcticpenguins.html
A really fascinating place but I would not want to live there BRRrrr

H F Clark
December 6, 2011 8:26 am

“In October, 2011, NASA’s Operation IceBridge discovered a major rift in the Pine Island Glacier in western Antarctica. This crack, which extends at least 18 miles and is 50 meters deep, could produce an iceberg more than 800 square kilometers in size.”
Make up your mind, please, to work in either Imperial or Metric measures. (But don’t remind me that here in the UK we fill our cars with litres and check our miles per gallon!)

crosspatch
December 6, 2011 8:37 am

If you go look at Bob Tisdale’s most recent post it is the INDIAN ocean that is warm not the others.

If I understand what he has put out over the years, La Nina tends to warm the Indian Ocean and we have had a few of those in the recent years (2008 was a pretty big one). The current one is odd if the model forecast in the ENSO reference page here is to be believed in that it is currently predicted to peak in the spring rather than in January as most such events do. Last year, for example, it peaked in January before returning to neutral conditions in July. This year so far the forecast says it will peak sometime in February and never get back to more than -1 before drifting negative again. Three consecutive years of La Nina conditions, anyone? Texas is going to hate this.

DJ
December 6, 2011 8:45 am

Gail, thank you very much for the links, much appreciated!!

December 6, 2011 8:45 am

The Team won’t be happy with this …

Bob H
December 6, 2011 8:50 am

Well, as I recall, Stieg had cooperated with O’Donnell and Jeff Id while they were breaking down his analysis. He disagreed with their results, but I believe was civil about it. He seems to be the only real scientist on the team, which is to say he will consider contradictory results.

mac
December 6, 2011 8:56 am

Again we see climate scientists pulling back from CAGW.
It is as a light has gone off in their heads with the thought, “We can’t keep on doing junk science”.

Alan the Brit
December 6, 2011 9:01 am

“Recent decades have been exceptionally warm in the tropics, he said, and to whatever extent unusual conditions in the tropical Pacific can be attributed to human activities, unusual conditions in Antarctica also can be attributed to those causes.”
Errr……..so the warming elsewhere is by default, unexceptional? Surely this is subjective. I find the heat in the south of France exceptional, compared to the heat here in the UK! I found the heat in Florida exceptional, compared to the heat here in the UK! Ditto LA & San Francisco. BTW I am surprised nobody has linked the fog banks along the San Franciscan coast to AGW, that really is the spookiest weather event I ever experienced in the early 1980s, how it would at times just sit out there all day long, then the sun goes down & in she comes, other times it was during the day & reveresed in the evening. oh how I wish…………..You Californians were all the same, there we were two youngsters in out early 20s, we stop & have a sandwich , or a beer (loved the Coors served in a pitcher), or both, & we say “where’s the all the Californian Sunshine gone?” The bartender/waitress would reply, “You should have been here last week, it was beautiful!” 🙂
Reply: You should have been here a couple of days ago. It was sunny and warm.~ctm

December 6, 2011 9:06 am

H F Clark says:
December 6, 2011 at 8:26 am
“In October, 2011, NASA’s Operation IceBridge discovered a major rift in the Pine Island Glacier in western Antarctica. This crack, which extends at least 18 miles and is 50 meters deep, could produce an iceberg more than 800 square kilometers in size.”
Make up your mind, please, to work in either Imperial or Metric measures. (But don’t remind me that here in the UK we fill our cars with litres and check our miles per gallon!)
————–
Speak for yourself! As an inhabitant of a similarly conflicted jurisdiction, Canada, which went partially metric in the 1970s, this is how I lecture to my students. They don’t generally seem to mind (I’ve only been called on it once or twice in 17 years)! I call it ‘being bilingual’. It’s all good, right? 🙂

December 6, 2011 9:08 am

To me it’s an interesting situation that this story is posted so close to “Common link in extreme weather events found – and no, it isn’t AGW”. They seem to have the common link that weather in the tropics is affecting weather near both the N and S polar regions. Or am I seeing patterns where they don’t exist?
IanM

December 6, 2011 9:08 am

To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever done a scientific study of the effects of the volcanic activity taking place under the ice sheets. I’ve seen stories that acknowledge they exist, but nothing else of any substance. If anyone knows of such a paper I’d appreciate a link.

December 6, 2011 9:09 am

Gail Combs says:
December 6, 2011 at 8:26 am

Thanx Gail!

December 6, 2011 9:10 am

I may just may not have had enough caffeine this morning, but would not the melt water from the glaciers decrease sea surface temperatures, chilling the warmer upwelling waters as the move away from the coast?

Crispin in Waterloo
December 6, 2011 9:25 am


Do you think it is possible they are doing regular science, seeing the result, deciding it is ‘off message’ then either torturing the data until it conforms, or simple making junk science claims about what they did or didn’t find? Yes some of it is junk science, but…
It is for me hard to believe that decent observation and analysis comes up with junk, and the CG2 mails show that inside the Team there were genuine voices of (skeptical) reason. The problem has been the junk science claims made which they knew were shaky or poorly supported by their own research or that of others.
The light that may have illumined their furrowed brows might be that of, “We can’t keep on making junk claims about what the science does or does not show.” The corpus of AGW claims is the core issue. It is these vainglorious imaginings attached to quite ordinary and unremarkable investigations of a naturally (and highly) variable climate that have to go. Oh yeah, and the opportunity to be paid to continue to make them.
C’est la vie.

Glacierman
December 6, 2011 9:25 am

A random act of science?

Allan M
December 6, 2011 9:35 am

…Eric Steig, a UW professor of Earth and space sciences.
Wow! That’s a lot of sciences. Is there anything left? He must be a hypermath.

Walt Meier
December 6, 2011 9:45 am

One might want to take note of the title of Steig’s talk at AGU (in about an hour): “Evidence for an anthropogenic contribution to recent ocean-driven ice losses in West Antarctica”.

JohnH
December 6, 2011 9:46 am

Pre normal science instead of the usual post normal science the Team get up to.
Refreshing !!

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