Maybe this is why the US bailed out of the UNFCCC “Green Climate Fund” this week.The science has been “McKibbenized” for quite some time.
Email 340.txt
date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:13:20 -0500
from: “Tom Jacob” <Tom.Jacob@USA.dupont.com>
subject: REFLECTIONS ON THE HAGUE…
to: … schellnhuber@pik-potsdam.de… jonathan.pershing@iea.org, RKinley@unfccc.int, …m.hulme@uea.ac.uk…pachuri@teri.res.in…
munasinghe@worldbank.org…
In The Hague, we saw for the first time organized disruption of the conduct of negotiation and publicly staged confrontations. While organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process through major groups suchas NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace, they have operated within the structure as constructive participants in the policy-setting process, along with industry.
It gets worse:
At The Hague, this “inside” role was supplemented by hundreds of young, relatively naïve demonstrators brought in specifically to energize the environmental presence and confront the process. Even some within the ranks of the more established participants — while disavowing the takeover of the negotiating room — saw fit to publicly offer Minister Pronk and the UNFCCC Secretariate a veiled threat of “Seattle” if the process failed to deliver.
In the context of this resurgence of “environmental fundamentalism” it is also interesting to contrast the dynamics of the final give-and-take between the US and the EU in The Hague.
h/t to Tom Nelson
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Kindly notice the sende is from DuPont. There’s also lots of stuff about Shell and BP Amoco, for instance.
Thanks tom, that one is a real treasure.
I like this bit too
“…The result of all this is an ever-larger question mark hanging over the Kyoto Protocol, its aggressive (and fast-approaching) targets/timetables and its innovative approaches to tapping the power of the market place…. “
” …its innovative approaches to tapping the power of the market place…. “ [jaw drops]
So WHO the heck wrote this???
OH I really hope the Occupy Wall Street crowd gets a load of this one….
When they write the history of the collapse of this house of cards, I hope Tom Nelson’s tireless contribution is remembered. Had the global elites realized the internet’s ability to enable principle-driven individuals it would have been strangled in the crib.
“Josualdo says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Kindly notice the sende is from DuPont. There’s also lots of stuff about Shell and BP Amoco, for instance.”
Yes, the industry contacts have been very interesting. BP has been a supporter of carbon trading which could conceivably make oil more competitive than coal when it comes to energy generation.
DuPont is rather famous for:
1) Getting hemp banned to make nylon competitive
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out and they’d developed far more expensive alternatives. This move put cheap albuterol inhalers out of reach for asthma suffers who live in poverty.
Fine examples of huge corporations twisting public opinion and government regulations in order to make massive profits.
Read 5192.txt and 3862.txt There must some sort of contest going on with 3862 in how many times “radical” can be used in one email:
These two emails seem to use every “progressive” buzzphrase there is. 5192.txt made me groan as it was so stereotypical as to be cliché.
Those are the only two emails in the list from Seyfang but they just ooooze an “activist” bent at UEA.
For skeptics to think this (as we have, for a long time) is one thing, but to read it in an email to some of the insiders is quite another. Jaw on floor!
This is all about these companies positioning themselves to take best advantage of a new cash stream that is coming on line with the “green” stuff and attempting to cast potential competitors for that cash in a bad light. They are all going to run around attempting to out “greenwash” each other.
Seriously: have a look a Peter Schweizer’s new book “Throw Them All Out” and then re-read some of these emails in that context and your stomach will begin to churn.
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Peter-Schweizer/dp/0547573146
Reposted from BH
Climatefellas II (h/t to Maurizio Morabito for the title)
Big Jim has called an emergency meeting of “the family” to discuss the current crisis
Big Jim
“Guys, I gotta tell ya straight, it’s lookin’ real bad – mebbe worse than two years ago. We got the denier mobs crawlin’ all over us, Mad Mikey’s still got the DA on his back, we lost some of our best guys at that shoot out over at Loose Judy’s and now the feds’ve got evidence to bust most of our rackets ”
Mad Mikey
“Don’tworryaboudit boss, I can take care of it. Me and my guys gonna get tooled up, take to the mattresses ‘n waste the lot of ’em. Pow! Splat!, we’ll use the HS secret weapon again – nobody messes with Mad Mikey!”
Big Jim
“ Yeah – that worked brilliantly last time didn’t it Mikey, your secret weapon’s killed more of our guys than the deniers have – that’s why the DA’s getting your cell ready.”
Crazy Kev
“Absolutely – you really screwed up with that HS crap, Mikey, people don’t take it seriously any more. You should see when my guys roll out the Nul Hypothesis – you can see the denier crowd shake with fear.”
Big Jim
“It’s not fear, Kev – they’re laughing at you again. But all youse guys all need to loosen up and get some strategy – listen to Gav – he’s the brains of the outfit.”
Garrotter Gav
(the British consigliere) “ I’ve been talking to Fingers Phil about the British end boss. Things looked bad there for a while – but he thinks he’s getting them under control”
Mad Mikey
“ Shit boss, why to we have to listen to those whingeing, yellow toothed pussies – it’s always the friggin’ same – the Limeys get into wars and we’ve gotta bail em out – it’s 1942 all over again. If it wasn’t for Fingers Phil and his CRU mob the feds would never have got their mitts on all the evidence in the first place.”
Big Jim
“Shuddup Mikey. You gotta understand it’s different over there. They may seem like a bunch of fairies, but Phil ‘n his guys have pulled some pretty sweet rackets in the UK. They don’t have the feds and politicos breathing down their necks all the time like we have. Everybody’s in on the scam there – the Queen’s son heads up the racket, the politicians ‘r all fixed and the feds do what they’re told. Y’know there’s even a protection mob called the Beeb, that Phil works with, who get 200 bucks protection from every citizen – and they don’t even have to work up a sweat smashing their stuff or roughing them up. If they don’t pay up the feds put ’em in jail – how sweet is that! We could learn a lot from the Brits.”
Gav
“Yes, Phil says the Beeb mob and their deal with the Guardianista family are keeping the lid on things over there. There’s a bit of trouble from the Bish’s mob but they’re old guys and they don’t stand a chance against the Beeb, the Guardianistas and the feds combined. We should take a lead from the Brits – keep our heads down, avoid showdowns and quietly take out any deniers we can get near to. That’s how we run things at the Arcy Bar. We let a couple of deniers in, not too many, let them make themselves comfortable until they speak out of turn – then Raypierre the Bear, Evil Eric and the heavy mob just quietly take ’em out back and they’re never seen again.”
Big Jim
“OK, Gav’s right – listen up. We’re gonna play it cool, pretend like nothing happened and send our soldiers around town to pick off the denier mob one at a time. With luck the whole thing’ll blow over before the feds can deal with all the evidence. We’ve got the big Durban meet with all the other families and Capo Patchi next week – we’ll review things there and see if we need to go to the mattresses
Oh – and one more thing, there may be some of you junior guys with wives ‘n kids, who’ve just been on the fringes the rackets, and might be thinking they could make a deal with the feds, clear their conscience and buy themselves some immunity. Weeelll…….. I unnerstand we’re all human and we have our little weaknesses and I really want to help you guys work ’em through – I just want you to know that if anyone feels that way, I’ve arranged for one-to-one counselling, with Raypierre the Bear and Evil Eric, in the basement room – next to the furnace.”
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil.
REPLY: If you got the proof, post it here, otherwise do kindly STFU – Anthony
TheGoodLocust says: November 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm […]
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out and they’d developed far more expensive alternatives. This move put cheap albuterol inhalers out of reach for asthma suffers who live in poverty.
Oh! I remember that’s how the ozone hole scare came about! It’s been some time… I wonder who came up with the DDT ban idea, certainly someone with “better” insecticides.
This is ah… pukegenic.
Jeff C says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Isn’t it ironic that in the early seventies people were up in arms that the Nixon administration wanted to run coaxial cables to every home in the U.S. The public were very concerned about “big brother”. Strange how it has turned out to be a vehicle for truth against domineering and controlling government and other corruptions ( climate scientists fudgerations). H. R. Haldeman’s plan, if I am not mistaken, and interrupted by “Watergate”.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil.
Yeah, Anthony’s private jet is the envy of us all.
🙂
Ah, Climategate II, the gift that keeps giving…
Jeff C says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Rarely has a truer word been said!
This whole green fund and AGW business is and has never been about anything else but politics. When you overplay your hand and/or become a political (read that reelection) liability, the politicians will cut you off. I know most of you thought it was about science and egos. Nope, never was either. It was always about picking or riding the right house. The rats started abandoning the ship with CG 1, I suspect it will become a stamped in the very near future.
Dave says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“Ah, Climategate II, the gift that keeps giving…”
Very true, but the silence about it in the MSM is unreal. Are they in shock or not impressed?
Or…. in denial?
The bleating sheep climate radicals need to get real jobs, after they bathe.
Oh what delicious… is it irony? The Occupy Wall Street mob are unwitting tools of the 1%.
I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work. Some Committee of the UN creates international guidelines that some department of the national government adopts and makes national policy that some state/provincial department implements at the local level and not a single piece of legislation has passed through a branch of government responsible to voters.
People, your elected government is becoming meaningless. In too many cases, The Department of Red Tape is not only tasked with creating and implementing regulations, it is also tasked with enforcement of its own regulations without any interference from a body representing the people in the decision.
I like the way Futurama said it:
They are hoping that if they “deprive the story of oxygen” that it will die out and go away. Also, they are probably having trouble putting things in a way that the average person would understand in a 30 second blurb during the top of the hour news on the traffic station.
‘Insider roles’
‘Staged protests’
‘Young naive activists’ used as useful idiots.
And it’s right there for the media to report.
from: dupont
to: pik-potsdam…iea….unfccc……uea……teri…..worldbank
The “democratic” process at work….
TheGoodLocust says:
DuPont is rather famous for:
…
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out
The meme that never dies! Sadly for you, it is total bollocks.
Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) and the important CFC patents ran out in the 50s or before. At very best DuPont had a process patented, but those are easily reverse engineered, so the patents are mostly ego for the scientists.
I challenge you to find and list here the patents DuPont had that ran out just at the time of the CFC scare. The Patent Office is searchable on-line. You should have no problem. (Except they aren’t there, of course.)