From Stanford University: A unique idea that has great potential (pun intended). The only catch is that availability and quality of fresh water is one of the biggest environmental concerns now, way ahead of global warming.
Stanford researchers use river water and salty ocean water to generate electricity

Stanford researchers have developed a battery that takes advantage of the difference in salinity between freshwater and seawater to produce electricity.
Anywhere freshwater enters the sea, such as river mouths or estuaries, could be potential sites for a power plant using such a battery, said Yi Cui, associate professor of materials science and engineering, who led the research team.
The theoretical limiting factor, he said, is the amount of freshwater available. “We actually have an infinite amount of ocean water; unfortunately we don’t have an infinite amount of freshwater,” he said.
As an indicator of the battery’s potential for producing power, Cui’s team calculated that if all the world’s rivers were put to use, their batteries could supply about 2 terawatts of electricity annually – that’s roughly 13 percent of the world’s current energy consumption.
The battery itself is simple, consisting of two electrodes – one positive, one negative – immersed in a liquid containing electrically charged particles, or ions. In water, the ions are sodium and chlorine, the components of ordinary table salt.
Initially, the battery is filled with freshwater and a small electric current is applied to charge it up. The freshwater is then drained and replaced with seawater. Because seawater is salty, containing 60 to 100 times more ions than freshwater, it increases the electrical potential, or voltage, between the two electrodes. That makes it possible to reap far more electricity than the amount used to charge the battery.

“The voltage really depends on the concentration of the sodium and chlorine ions you have,” Cui said. “If you charge at low voltage in freshwater, then discharge at high voltage in sea water, that means you gain energy. You get more energy than you put in.”
Once the discharge is complete, the seawater is drained and replaced with freshwater and the cycle can begin again. “The key thing here is that you need to exchange the electrolyte, the liquid in the battery,” Cui said. He is lead author of a study published in the journal Nano Letters earlier this month.
In their lab experiments, Cui’s team used seawater they collected from the Pacific Ocean off the California coast and freshwater from Donner Lake, high in the Sierra Nevada. They achieved 74 percent efficiency in converting the potential energy in the battery to electrical current, but Cui thinks with simple modifications, the battery could be 85 percent efficient.
To enhance efficiency, the positive electrode of the battery is made from nanorods of manganese dioxide. That increases the surface area available for interaction with the sodium ions by roughly 100 times compared with other materials. The nanorods make it possible for the sodium ions to move in and out of the electrode with ease, speeding up the process.

Other researchers have used the salinity contrast between freshwater and seawater to produce electricity, but those processes typically require ions to move through a membrane to generate current. Cui said those membranes tend to be fragile, which is a drawback. Those methods also typically make use of only one type of ion, while his battery uses both the sodium and chlorine ions to generate power.
Cui’s team had the potential environmental impact of their battery in mind when they designed it. They chose manganese dioxide for the positive electrode in part because it is environmentally benign.
The group knows that river mouths and estuaries, while logical sites for their power plants, are environmentally sensitive areas.
“You would want to pick a site some distance away, miles away, from any critical habitat,” Cui said. “We don’t need to disturb the whole system, we just need to route some of the river water through our system before it reaches the ocean. We are just borrowing and returning it,” he said.
The process itself should have little environmental impact. The discharge water would be a mixture of fresh and seawater, released into an area where the two waters are already mixing, at the natural temperature.
One of Cui’s concerns is finding a good material for the negative electrode. He used silver for the experiments, but silver is too expensive to be practical.
His group did an estimate for various regions and countries and determined that South America, with the Amazon River draining a large part of the continent, has the most potential. Africa also has an abundance of rivers, as do Canada, the United States and India.
But river water doesn’t necessarily have to be the source of the freshwater, Cui said.
“The water for this method does not have to be extremely clean,” he said. Storm runoff and gray water could potentially be useable.
A power plant operating with 50 cubic meters of freshwater per second could produce up to 100 megawatts of power, according to the team’s calculations. That would be enough to provide electricity for about 100,000 households.
Cui said it is possible that even treated sewage water might work.
“I think we need to study using sewage water,” he said. “If we can use sewage water, this will sell really well.”
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This is one of those, “why the hell didn’t I think of that?” moments.
It may not be commercially viable, but it would have been an easy graduate thesis.
I wrote a book in 2003… and it included the discovery of this technology.
Although in my book, the discovery was of the ancient world…
i know how to fix this. We will use Barrie Harrop’s windmill driven reverse osmosis plants to generate the fresh water so that we can generate the electricity. A veritable perpetual motion machine of the first kind.
There is a small little problem… they need to pump the water up from the ocean. This is where there electricity will go into.
“The battery itself is simple, consisting of two electrodes – one positive, one negative – immersed in a liquid containing electrically charged particles, or ions. ” and coated with slime and zebra mussells.
“They chose manganese dioxide for the positive electrode in part because it is environmentally benign”. But we may have to consider lead pipes, copper sulfate coatings or add clorine to the diverted river water.
“But river water doesn’t necessarily have to be the source of the freshwater, Cui said.”
We can use the water from a de-salinization plant just as well!
““I think we need to study using sewage water,” he said. “If we can use sewage water, this will sell really well.”, or potatos, last year my daughter brought home a potato battery, really cool, we could power all of Prince Edward Island with just a couple of tons of nails some wire and the potatos in the ground! Free electicity.
I’ve only skimmed so far, and I’ll be looking for educational comments, but this sounds crank to me–perpetual motion machine style. They admit it has limits, but I’m not sure I see any potential at all.
Many years ago I wondered if Great Salt Lake could be made into a giant battery. It’s not as goofy as I thought.
To me the obvious use would be refining aluminum from bauxite.
This take huge amounts of DC if I remember correctly.
There are large losses in conversion to AC, transmission, and
conversion back to DC which could be avoided.
Actually, mods, if you don’t mind indulging me for a moment, here’s the part of my book (yes, 2003) that is relevant:
85% efficiency still says they are only getting out 85% of the energy they put in. Thermodynamics dictates this isn’t the panacea they claim. It could make an excellent storage system for surplus power on the grid though and used to even out generation capacity, because 85% seems pretty good for battery efficiencies.
Nearly all riparian estuaries have brackish water resulting from tidal exchanges. What sort of infrastructure will be required to transport of pure fresh water to plant where the mixing and generation occurs? Can it be cost effective?
I seems to me that all they are doing is charging a capacitor in low conductivity water and then rapidly discharging it in the high conductivity sea water. Also, by using this type of material, they may be producing concentration cells.
“… Cui’s team calculated that if all the world’s rivers were put to use, their batteries could supply about 2 terawatts of electricity annually – that’s roughly 13 percent of the world’s current energy consumption.” [emphasis added]
Seems like a pie-in-the-sky projection to me, for a result that is self limiting. I cannot imagine even 10% of the world’s rivers being put to such use; then we have massive constructs providing no more power than wind turbines.
cheers,
gary
From my notes on energy sources:
===Osmotic Power===
Osmotic power is a label for various techniques for exploiting the fact that water containing salts is denser than fresh water. This difference can be exploited to generate power when the less dense fresh water is mixed with saltier water. In the case where rivers are the source of the fresh water, the mixing would take place anyway, so the power is essentially free — other than the possibly considerable cost of the generation facility.
Osmotic power is renewable and does not release significant carbon. It may however be disruptive to the environment where many species that currently live in the brackish water transition zone between fresh and salt water might be threatened.
The amount of power available is unknown with some sources claiming a potential for 1.6 to 1.7 Twh (over what time span?) This appears to work out to a “sticker” capacity of about 900GW (Note: These numbers do not appear to make sense), but it seems fairly unlikely that actual generation will reach anything like those levels. Currently there is a single 4kw pilot plant in operation in Norway.
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The article isn’t very clear, but I suspect that either the fresh water has to end up salty or the salt water fresh. If not, it sure looks like a violation of conservation laws. A perpetual motion machine as others have said.
“unfortunately we don’t have an infinite amount of freshwater”
Yeah, it keeps running downhill into oceans ….
“Manganese is mined in South Africa, Australia, China, Brazil, Gabon, Ukraine, India and Ghana and Kazakhstan.”
Given that most places where fresh and salt water mix are subject to tidal oscillations anyway, wouldn’t it be simpler and more efficient to build tide-powered generators? And on the same subject, why is nobody using the pressure of tidal flows to drive osmotic desalination systems?
Maybe a good option for Fjordland, but pretty useless everywhere else because of environmental constraints. In researching tidal power options as an electrical engineer, I found out that most coastal areas have at least 7 distinct stakeholders each of which has veto power over projects.
Essentially, the technology is irrelevant because regulations will prevent it from even being tested.
nice experiment that ignores the energy costs of moving the salt and fresh water to the lab …
in the real world I expect alot of losses for water transport (both ways, you’re not going to store it locally after its is used) …
pie in the sky …
I worked on a project in school that used the differences in water temperature in the ocean (surface vs hundreds of feet down) to vaporize ammonia, run it thru large turbines and condense it for reuse … sure it could generate power … but trying to scale it up would be a very different issue …
a solar cell generate free electricity as well … try powering an auto plant with them …
A working prototype for this kind of power plant has already been build in Norway.
“… They achieved 74 percent efficiency in converting the potential energy in the battery to electrical current, but Cui thinks with simple modifications, the battery could be 85 percent efficient…”
Valves, pumps, lifting mass (water) etc.
Where these items considered in the efficiency calculations? I’m guessing “no.”
This is essentially an echo of Ray’s post above. He sees also sees the problem.
Since this idea relies on the difference between salt and fresh water, would it also generate current with salt water of different concentrations on either side, vs. only salt & fresh?
At first glance, it seems to me that it would work, although somewhat less efficiently.
This could work. I’m going to give it some thought and see if I can devise a contrivance that will push sea water up hill, with a zero energy requirement. Of course, once I have got my contrivance working properly we won’t need to mess around with batteries!
I’d think that using the sun to distill some salt water would be a solution to the problem of fresh water – you’d still have to remove the excess salt from the distillation equipment.
TANSTAFL in any case.
Steinar Midtskogen says:
March 29, 2011 at 1:32 pm
“A working prototype for this kind of power plant has already been build in Norway.”
And it cost a gazillion and produces enough energy to warm a cup of coffee, if i remember correctly. Fits perfectly to Dogbert’s fake green breakthrough press releases.
On a casual read – it seems rather illogical to me! As others have commented it doesnt look like it could be very efficient but my first thoughts were actually environmental based. Like, what happens to the seawater and freshwater afterwards – how do the ions replace their charge ‘taken’ by the battery? As I recall my basic conservation of energy law – I am wondering where in the electrochemical chain will the effect of ionic/charge removal cause an eventual problem?