More on the Wikileaks Climate Cables

Wikileaks first climate cables

By Ecotretas

Reading through the few Wikileaks cables related to climate, the tip of the iceberg becomes visible. The most interesting seems to involve the usual pressures related to top level nominations: in this case, the nomination for the IPCC Group II organization comes to light. The original cable is still not known, but it is said to state that Christopher Field had no opposition; the other proposed position for co-chair, Mostafa Jafari, an Iran scientist, was not acceptable, although a qualified scientist. The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures. The Austrian delegate, which lead the selection process, also agreed on the veto on Jafari.

In other cables, we can see the unreal demands being made by some countries in the World. The developed countries, pressured by alarmists, are “falling all over itself to browbeat them into taking money to go along with a plan to give them more money“. But this is starting to change: “The Danes said they are “fed up”” because the reasons behind the show are no longer climate: “Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.

Another profound cable relates to Saudi Arabia. One only has to read the following, to understand what is really happening (bold is my responsibility):

Is Al-Naimi the Problem?

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9. (S) Minister Al-Naimi has consistently been rational and practical in talking with western delegations about climate change, noting that Saudi Arabia had to address its development concerns, but conceding that the world needs to work together to address climate change. These reassuring statements stand in sharp contrast to Al-Sabban’s public comments, such as questioning the science behind climate change just before Copenhagen, and his often obstructionist behavior, as reported by a number of Embassies in Riyadh, during working-level negotiations. Senior Ministry of Petroleum officials have reassured us after each of Al-Sabban’s public outbursts over the last six months that he has been “tamed” and brought back onto the reservation. The frequency and number of times that Al-Sabban steps out of line, and the apparent lack of any sanction, raises questions about the real Saudi position on climate change.

And than we see “that Pope Benedict had firmly established his “green” reputation“, which “even if discreetly, is significant because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts“. Religion, at it’s best.

What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion. But as referred before, this is only the tip of the iceberg. More is to come, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re going to be answered about who is behind Climategate, or Al Gore’s Nobel nomination, or the facts behind all the IPCC mess. Stay tuned…

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December 4, 2010 9:16 am

“Cimate Cables” ?

December 4, 2010 9:18 am

Good, looks like you fixed the typo right away. Don’t you hate it when the typo is right in the title line? 😉

pat
December 4, 2010 9:18 am

A world-wide fraud.

Jenn Oates
December 4, 2010 9:18 am

Popcorn. Forgot to buy popcorn. Must go back to grocery today and buy a big bag. And Diet Coke, lots of it. Heh heh heh.

DirkH
December 4, 2010 9:18 am

“Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.“
Well, duh. I thought the Greens in the West were anti-capitalist in the first place as they emerged out of the remainders of Eurocommunism and student revolts in the 70ies. So what’s the problem with an upright socialist like Morales.

MattN
December 4, 2010 9:25 am

Wikigate could prove to be as damaging to the cause as Climategate. In general, people do not trust anything that involves secret negotiations and backroom handshakes….

Oslo
December 4, 2010 9:33 am

The dane link is about Bolivia.

David Davidovics
December 4, 2010 9:34 am

This is the first I’ve heard of wikileaks getting into this sort of thing. I must have missed something but when did this start?

December 4, 2010 9:34 am

Maybe OT, but Wikileaks has been a double edged sword. It’s nice to have access to all kinds of information. But some of the items released have compromised the safety of citizens of repressive governments. Some things are better left unknown.
WikiLeaks just made the world more repressive
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wikileaks-just-made-the-world-more-repressive/article1818157/

December 4, 2010 9:36 am

And this keeps giving and giving, and than it gives even more.

David, UK
December 4, 2010 9:37 am

Indeed I will stay tuned! This is gold. I can imagine those fascists will by now be dreading each approaching Christmas for years to come, if the last one and this one are anything to go by.
And I’m loving it.

Garry
December 4, 2010 9:42 am

“GOB’s [Bolivia’s] position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.”
I think I deduce that “alternative development model “:
“No more World Bank, IMF, IDB, or USAID. Just give us bags of cash please, and do it fast.”

Ben
December 4, 2010 9:48 am

Please add a brief definitions section, so that readers can quickly be reminded of the meaning of references like GOB, COP, etc.
[Reply: There is a glossary on the mast head. It may not be completely up to date. This page has some acronyms. ~dbs, mod.]

December 4, 2010 10:02 am

Wikileaks are not necessarily stickyleaks…

December 4, 2010 10:06 am

It’s the sun, or in this case, sunlight — shone on the backroom machinations of the career Dips — that are going to change the (political) climate.

JohnD
December 4, 2010 10:17 am

Don’t take the bait by looking past WikiFreak’s atrocities just because they present a few “good” tidbits; the Eco-cult AGW scam is being outed without any help from them.
Don’t stop with Assange. Destroy all the Wikifreak criminals and their accomplices.

David Ball
December 4, 2010 10:18 am

The title should read ” Climate cabals” .

robertvdl
December 4, 2010 10:20 am

[snip – aspartame and Diet coke…waaaaay off topic ~mod]

David Ball
December 4, 2010 10:21 am

It appears my first post went straight to the spam bin. Curious. Little help? Pls. and Thx.

Alexander K
December 4, 2010 10:22 am

I’m beginning to warm to Wikileaks!

David Ball
December 4, 2010 10:24 am

These guys are going to need more than a little dutch boy. This is something that many who have followed the climate scam have been expecting.

Sarf of the River
December 4, 2010 10:28 am

David Davidovics – Much as I detest the Grauniad their coverage of the WikiLeaks cables is rather good. It’s not all climate stuff though, many are worth a read if only to confirm what you may or may not have suspected all along…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables
Don’t forget, if you are an employee of the USA government you will more than likely lose your job if you view these at work!

Mike
December 4, 2010 10:28 am

“What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion.”
Diplomats deal with the political side of things. Nuclear physics does not come up a lot in arms control talks. Is your use of the word “fascism” a simple spell checker mistake or was it intended for some reason? I’m guessing the former.

hotrod ( Larry L )
December 4, 2010 10:47 am

David Davidovics says:
December 4, 2010 at 9:34 am
This is the first I’ve heard of wikileaks getting into this sort of thing. I must have missed something but when did this start?

My understanding is that buried in the now infamous classified cable leak, are tidbits of intelligence that are related to climate and global warming issues and the negotiations that went on behind the scenes to enable or prevent certain things from happening. Only time will tell as there is a massive data dump there to plow through and the folks interested in climate gate like issue have only just begun to dig through things.
It may even contain some smoking gun revelations about behind the scenes deals, that are now only suspected. As above stock up on the popcorn it will be an interesting holiday season as all this gets dissected (assuming wikileaks can stay online long enough for someone to capture all the relevant evidence.)
Larry

PaulH
December 4, 2010 10:48 am

There’s something pleasingly retro about calling them “cables” – like they were all sent by telegraph. 😉

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