Webinar: Fossil fuels make the third world more resilient against climate change.
Speaker: Indur Goklany
When: November 4 at 3:30-5:30 PM, U.S. Eastern Daylight Saving Time.
Organized by Theo Richel at Dutch website, “Der Groene Rekenkamer” [which is “The Green Court”, in English, according to Google translator].
FREE – To Register:
Go to https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/148717609
What is a Webinar:
It is a sort of seminar on the internet. The speaker stays home and starts his presentation on his computer and talks into his microphone. There is no audience in a room, the audience is at home, watching their computer and listening to this presentation. The communication is two-way: the audience can ask questions and debate. It is just like a seminar in one room (only you do not disturb your neighbour if you make any kind of noise, as your sound is only broadcasted if the moderator allows it to).
Interesting initiative.
“dr Indur Goklany talks about the strange finding that climate alarmist ignore the wealth that is created whilst emitting CO2. This wealth can and will help developing countries fight the consequences of climate change. Mitigation of emissions has so far cost more lives than saved.”
Isn’t the reduction of human population the goal of at least some governmental and environmental organizations?
I would like to see:
Nuclear power would make the third world more resilient against climate change, water scarcity, richer and independent on fossil fuels and related wars.
Better translation of “De Groene Rekenkamer” is the “Green Court of Audit”, or like ClimateAudit, GreenAudit if you want.
The official National Court of Audit in The Netherlands checks that the government spends public funds and conducts policy as intended.
The “Green” Court of Audit checks if the public funds are well spend by environmental laws and directives. In general most are not that well spend… But as you may have supposed, De Groene Rekenkamer is not a governmental institute.
See: http://www.groenerekenkamer.com/ (but all in Dutch).
The bastard word “webinar” must be expunged from the language. It’s as ugly as “camcorder”.
Hey Anthony, what about that open letter about climate crimes from Donald Brown At Penn State? In the Guardian on 01 NOV and rockblogs/psu on 24 OCT?
R. Shearer says:
November 3, 2010 at 3:50 pm
“dr Indur Goklany talks about the strange finding that climate alarmist ignore the wealth that is created whilst emitting CO2. This wealth can and will help developing countries fight the consequences of climate change. Mitigation of emissions has so far cost more lives than saved.”
Isn’t the reduction of human population the goal of at least some governmental and environmental organizations?
If reducing human population is a goal you embrace producing and providing the greatest possible amount of cheap and abundant energy throughout the developing world to assist the greatest number of its citizens to achieve middle class economic status is the easiest way to accomplish that goal. The countries of the EU, whose citizens are predominately middle class have reproduction rates well below replacement numbers. The same is true for most of the developed world, though the US lags somewhat, probably because we haven’t had a long enough exposure to the soul sapping benefits of truly socialist society. Of course a couple more years of Barack and his cadre will likely accomplish quite a bit in terms of substituting soulless nihilism for the boundless optimism that has always been an American hallmark.
Still history is undeniable, the richer a population becomes the fewer children it produces. Even if we stipulate to the worst case scenarios of the CAGW crowd, spreading cheap fossil fuel energy as quickly as possible across the impoverished areas of Asia and Africa will still lead to a better situation for the planet at the end of this century because it would lead to greatly reduced peak population numbers and the reduced population would have access to the wealth necessary to adapt to whatever transpires in the future climate.
Dave Wendt says:
November 3, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Alarmism is scary by nature. Everything about the world frightens the alarmist, and we all know that misery loves company.
The de-population thing is about as logical as bulldozing your home in order to prepare for a hurricane.
Only thing is, they want to bulldoze your home, and Alarmist dogma gives them the excuse they need.
If only some environmentalists would practice what they preach and follow the good Doctor’s format of web based seminars instead of flying around telling people to consume less. Maybe web seminars don’t stroke the ego as much.
I don’t know if this issue has been covered before on WUWT or not but there is no such thing as fossil fuels.
“We all grew up believing that oil is a fossil fuel, and just about every day this ‘fact’ is mentioned in newspapers and on TV. However, let us not forget what Lenin said – “A lie told often enough becomes truth.” ”
http://www.greatamericanjournal.com/archives/com/OilIsNOTAFossilFuel.htm
The scientist to research for this information is Thomas Gold.
A year after his death in 2004 Cornell University removed his website.. but I grabbed it and put it on mine.
http://trilogymedia.com.au/Thomas_Gold/
“Listening to Gold make his case in his home in Ithaca, New York – where for 20 years he ran the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research – is to hear one of the 20th century’s true scientific originals. His voice – still recognizably Viennese – is softer than it once was, but his combative spirit is undimmed. He still works on ideas ranging from the cosmological to the geophysical. He still gets a kick out of pointing to other people’s mistakes. And he’s still convinced, perhaps now more than ever, that he’s discovered one of the great secrets of life.”
That Oil is not a fossil fuel and that most of the Oil fields will, consequently, naturally re-fill themselves from below.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.07/gold_pr.html
“Production at the oil field, deep in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana, was supposed to have declined years ago. And for a while, it behaved like any normal field: Following its 1973 discovery, Eugene Island 330’s output peaked at about 15,000 barrels a day. By 1989, production had slowed to about 4,000 barrels a day.
Then suddenly — some say almost inexplicably — Eugene Island’s fortunes reversed. The field, operated by PennzEnergy Co., is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million. Stranger still, scientists studying the field say the crude coming out of the pipe is of a geological age quite different from the oil that gushed 10 years ago.”
http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm
Of all the millions of websites on the planet this may be one of the very few that could possibly cope with the truth of this issue.
Could you have a look into the issue please Anthony and see how you feel about it?
It would be nice to have a little side note every time ‘fossil fuels’ is mentioned on WUWT so that people are not given the impression that.. its a fact.. when.. it certainly is not.
http://www.gasresources.net/
http://www.physorg.com/news167835116.html
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/abstracts/2005research_calgary/abstracts/extended/keith/images/fig01big.jpg
Birds of a feather stick together:
“The Climatic Research Unit at the heart of the ClimateGate scandal sought funds from Shell Oil in the year 2000.
Other e-mail messages obtained from the University of East Anglia’s computers also showed officials at the school’s CRU solicited support from ExxonMobil and BP Amoco, although the nature of this support was not identified.
As climate alarmists and their media minions love to claim that global warming skeptics are all paid shills of Big Oil, it makes one wonder how the press will report these startling revelations discovered by Anthony Watts”
ClimateGate CRU Sought Funds From Shell Oil
http://noworldsystem.com/2009/12/08/climategate-cru-sought-funds-from-shell-oil/
I don’t know if this issue has been covered before on WUWT or not but there is no such thing as fossil fuels.
“We all grew up believing that oil is a fossil fuel, and just about every day this ‘fact’ is mentioned in newspapers and on TV. However, let us not forget what Lenin said – “A lie told often enough becomes truth.” ”
http://www.greatamericanjournal.com/archives/com/OilIsNOTAFossilFuel.htm
The scientist to research for this information is Thomas Gold.
A year after his death in 2004 Cornell University removed his website.. but I grabbed it and put it on mine.
http://trilogymedia.com.au/Thomas_Gold/
“Listening to Gold make his case in his home in Ithaca, New York – where for 20 years he ran the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research – is to hear one of the 20th century’s true scientific originals. His voice – still recognizably Viennese – is softer than it once was, but his combative spirit is undimmed. He still works on ideas ranging from the cosmological to the geophysical. He still gets a kick out of pointing to other people’s mistakes. And he’s still convinced, perhaps now more than ever, that he’s discovered one of the great secrets of life.”
That Oil is not a fossil fuel and that most of the Oil fields will, consequently, naturally re-fill themselves from below.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.07/gold_pr.html
“Production at the oil field, deep in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana, was supposed to have declined years ago. And for a while, it behaved like any normal field: Following its 1973 discovery, Eugene Island 330’s output peaked at about 15,000 barrels a day. By 1989, production had slowed to about 4,000 barrels a day.
Then suddenly — some say almost inexplicably — Eugene Island’s fortunes reversed. The field, operated by PennzEnergy Co., is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million. Stranger still, scientists studying the field say the crude coming out of the pipe is of a geological age quite different from the oil that gushed 10 years ago.”
http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm
Of all the millions of websites on the planet this may be one of the very few that could possibly cope with the truth of this issue.
Could you have a look into the issue Anthony and see how you feel about it?
It would be nice to have a little side note every time ‘fossil fuels’ is mentioned on WUWT so that people are not given the impression that.. its a fact.. when it.. certainly is not.
http://www.gasresources.net/
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2150
Unbelievable title! There are those days when WUWT seems like a blog from another time or another place.
“Fossil fuels make the third world more resilient against climate change.”
Sounds like tautology.
Love it. Without reading into it, I presume the premise is that even if the continued burning of fossil fuels does cause catastrophic climate change (which I sincerely doubt), the wealth generated by the availability of cheap energy from burning these fossil fuels is sufficient to pay for things like coastal defences and stronger buildings to mitigate the effects, leading to far fewer deaths than those caused by the poverty that would be inflicted by limiting the availability of aforementioned cheap energy.
Either way, burn away!