Mashey Potatoes, Part 1

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Guest post by Thomas Fuller

In the past few months we have seen a number of amateurish attempts to counter skeptical arguments that gained traction in what public space there is for matters climatic and anti-climactic.  Today we get introduced to John Mashey’s attempt to smear Edward Wegman and reclaim the Hockey Stick for further usage. It’s definitely anti-climactic.

Climategate had a huge impact on public opinion regarding the probity of some of the scientists involved. The leaked emails clearly showed bad and bullying behaviour that left a stench in any honest reader’s nostrils. Andrew Montford, among others, chronicled Climategate and the events leading up to it in a clear, detailed narrative called The Hockey Stick Illusion. It has been praised by reviewers, including climate scientist Judith Curry. I have read it. It is good. It is accurate. I recommend it without reservation.

So, a few months ago a website called Scholars and Rogues published an incredibly lame attempt by Brian Angliss to show why nobody needed to read The Hockey Stick Illusion, citing the low number of emails that were leaked as evidence that we didn’t have enough evidence. When Steve Mosher pointed out that a crooked accountant probably had numerous accurate transactions to his credit, but that only one was needed to prove him criminal, Mr. Angliss and Scholars and Rogues sort of went away.

The late Stephen Schneider and an IT administrator named James Prall published a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences claiming to prove that scientists on their side of the fence were more credible than skeptical scientists, because they had more publications. Sadly, they only searched in English, they got the names, job titles and specializations of the scientists wrong, they used incorrect analysis techniques (as explained quite brilliantly by RomanM on a post at Real Climate), and used Google Scholar, a commercial database with no published quality control measures, as opposed to any one of several available academic databases. They didn’t get Stephen Schneider’s publications accurate. But that’s okay, they have the names and pictures of those they labeled (incorrectly, in many cases) as skeptics on Prall’s website.

Now comes John Mashey, intent on the destruction of Edward Wegman’s criticism of Michael Mann and Raymond Bradley’s carefully concocted Hockey Stick Chart. Wegman was asked by a congressional committee to investigate their work. His report, fully supported by the National Academy of Sciences, was devastating, citing quite correctly the fact that random noise fed into Mann’s analysis scheme could produce a hockey stick, that they used incorrect analysis of principal components in their study, and that the community of scientists involved was so closely interlinked as to be best described as incestuous, making claims of independent verification a mockery.

Before I go any further, I should note that Mashey makes another accusation that hasn’t been picked up by the media: He accuses Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick of being ‘recruited, coached and promoted’ by the George Marshall Institute.

 

Page 30 of John Mashey's full report

 

I don’t think that’s true. Mr. Mashey does not provide any documentation for this accusation and I’d like to see his evidence. I certainly hope it’s of better quality than the rest of what turns out to be drivel.

John Mashey’s first bone to pick with the Wegman report is that Congressman Barton’s staff provided source material to Wegman. It is the first item in Mashey’s report, (PDF – warning large download) a 250 page diatribe.

But it is entirely normal that Wegman would ask for and Barton’s staff would provide, any relevant material to speed up the investigation. I have done investigative work for several government bodies and it is in the interests of saving the public’s time and money that papers are provided. I literally cannot understand why Mashey would make this his first point.

Also on the first page of Mashey’s report is the ‘accusation’ that one of Wegman’s associates in the investigation was a post doctoral student with one year of experience, Yasmin Said. Perhaps Mr. Mashey should take a quick look at how much experience Michael Mann had when he created the Hockey Stick that became the iconic representation of climate change to the world…

John Mashey says that Wegman plagiarised material in his report to Congress.

This is odd. Wegman is not a climate scientist. He is a statistician. The material Mashey alleges Wegman stole comes from Raymond Bradley, who has since apparently filed an official complaint with George Mason University. Is Mashey accusing Wegman of falsely representing himself as an expert in climate science? Is his intent to use as intellectual property ideas generated by Bradley for his own profit?

This plagiarism claim is very strange. In Mashey’s report, he seems to go out of his way to discourage readers from actually looking at either Bradley’s text or Wegman’s. Mashey writes,

“Skeptical readers are welcome to check all 35 pages, but I suspect most will read no more than few before the repetitive style gets tiring. I had to do this to gather and summarize the data. Most people need not.”

Actually, Mr. Mashey, if you want people to believe you, most people indeed need to.

On page 19 of Mashey’s report (PDF – warning large download) is the first example of Wegman’s ‘plagiarism.’ Wegman writes on page 69,

“Overall the network includes 112 proxies, and each series has been formatted into annual mean anomalies relative to the reference period used for this data, 1902-1980.”

When compared to MBH98, page 779, it does indeed look similar:

“The long instrumental records have been formed into annual mean anomalies relative to the 1902–80 reference period, …”

Not identical, but similar. But wait a minute. What is the context for this? This is the second paragraph of a ‘Summary of Global-scale temperature Patterns and Climate Forcing Over the Past Six Centuries’ by Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes (1998).

The authors are credited. The intent is to  summarize what the authors wrote. The text is not identical, but to be an accurate summary would have to be similar. To say that Wegman plagiarised Bradley when he has Bradley’s name in the chapter title and is trying to summarize what Bradley said… well, I can see where this is going.

All of a sudden this 250 page, convoluted and poorly written report looks like a mountain to climb. It smells like a time-wasting replica of poorly written and un-thought out conspiracy theories.

I will be looking at this report more closely, but I will leave you with some quotes that I think show this to be the type of conspiracy theory nonsense that will have you looking for black helicopters or assorted nonsense. Here’s Mr. Mashey in full swing:

“During 2005-2006, Said was employed by Johns Hopkins University and that affiliation is the one listed on the WR. Did she do the WR work ―on her own time or was she in effect taking time from JHU teaching or research to work on the WR? If so, was this acceptable?”

(Let’s ask Gavin Schmidt, NASA employee and full time blogger at Real Climate…)

“The Federal government pays for many things. It is not obvious why {NIAA, ARL, ARO, NSWRC} seem to be paying statisticians and statistical physicists to attack climate science.”

(Maybe Mr. Mashey should take a good look again at what science is and how it works…)

“Other leadup to the WR is covered in [MAS2010], but it is worth knowing that Wegman, Said, Spencer, McIntyre, Singer, Kueter all attended a climate workshop November 14-16, 2005: www.climatescience.gov/workshop2005/participants.htm. Although I do not know if they met, it certainly seems likely.”

(And what did they have affixed in their lapel buttons?)

Thomas Fuller http://www.redbubble.com/people/hfuller

Mashey Potatoes, Part 1 

Thomas Fuller
In the past few months we have seen a number of amateurish attempts to counter skeptical arguments that gained traction in what public space there is for matters climatic and anti-climactic.  Today we get introduced to John Mashey’s attempt to smear Edward Wegman and reclaim the Hockey Stick for further usage. It’s definitely anti-climactic.
Climategate had a huge impact on public opinion regarding the probity of some of the scientists involved. The leaked emails clearly showed bad and bullying behaviour that left a stench in any honest reader’s nostrils. Anthony Montford, among others, chronicled Climategate and the events leading up to it in a clear, detailed narrative called The Hockey Stick Illusion. It has been praised by reviewers, including climate scientist Judith Curry. I have read it. It is good. It is accurate. I recommend it without reservation.
So, a few months ago a website called Scholars and Rogues published an incredibly lame attempt by Brian Angliss to show why nobody needed to read The Hockey Stick Illusion, citing the low number of emails that were leaked as evidence that we didn’t have enough evidence. When Steve Mosher pointed out that a crooked accountant probably had numerous accurate transactions to his credit, but that only one was needed to prove him criminal, Mr. Angliss and Scholars and Rogues sort of went away.
The late Stephen Schneider and an IT administrator named James Prall published a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences claiming to prove that scientists on their side of the fence were more credible than skeptical scientists, because they had more publications. Sadly, they only searched in English, they got the names, job titles and specializations of the scientists wrong, they used incorrect analysis techniques (as explained quite brilliantly by RomanM on a post at Real Climate), and used Google Scholar, a commercial database with no published quality control measures, as opposed to any one of several available academic databases. They didn’t get Stephen Schneider’s publications accurate. But that’s okay, they have the names and pictures of those they labeled (incorrectly, in many cases) as skeptics on Prall’s website.
Now comes John Mashey, intent on the destruction of Edward Wegman’s criticism of Michael Mann and Raymond Bradley’s carefully concocted Hockey Stick Chart. Wegman was asked by a congressional committee to investigate their work. His report, fully supported by the National Academy of Sciences, was devastating, citing quite correctly the fact that random noise fed into Mann’s analysis scheme could produce a hockey stick, that they used incorrect analysis of principal components in their study, and that the community of scientists involved was so closely interlinked as to be best described as incestuous, making claims of independent verification a mockery.
Before I go any further, I should note that Mashey makes another accusation that hasn’t been picked up by the media: He accuses Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick of being ‘recruited, coached and promoted’ by the George Marshall Institute.
I don’t think that’s true. Mr. Mashey does not provide any documentation for this accusation and I’d like to see his evidence. I certainly hope it’s of better quality than the rest of what turns out to be drivel.
John Mashey’s first bone to pick with the Wegman report is that Congressman Barton’s staff provided source material to Wegman. It is the first item in Mashey’s ‘report,’ a 250 page diatribe.
But it is entirely normal that Wegman would ask for and Barton’s staff would provide, any relevant material to speed up the investigation. I have done investigative work for several government bodies and it is in the interests of saving the public’s time and money that papers are provided. I literally cannot understand why Mashey would make this his first point.
Also on the first page of Mashey’s report is the ‘accusation’ that one of Wegman’s associates in the investigation was a post doctoral student with one year of experience, Yasmin Said. Perhaps Mr. Mashey should take a quick look at how much experience Michael Mann had when he created the Hockey Stick that became the iconic representation of climate change to the world…
John Mashey says that Wegman plagiarised material in his report to Congress.
This is odd. Wegman is not a climate scientist. He is a statistician. The material Mashey alleges Wegman stole comes from Raymond Bradley, who has since apparently filed an official complaint with George Mason University. Is Mashey accusing Wegman of falsely representing himself as an expert in climate science? Is his intent to use as intellectual property ideas generated by Bradley for his own profit?
This plagiarism claim is very strange. In Mashey’s report, he seems to go out of his way to discourage readers from actually looking at either Bradley’s text or Wegman’s. Mashey writes, “Skeptical readers are welcome to check all 35 pages, but I suspect
most will read no more than few before the repetitive style gets tiring. I had to do this to gather and summarize the data. Most people need not.”
Actually, Mr. Mashey, if you want people to believe you, most people indeed need to.
On page 19 of Mashey’s report is the first example of Wegman’s ‘plagiarism.’ Wegman writes on page 69, “Overall the network includes 112 proxies, and each series has been formatted into annual mean anomalies relative to the reference period used for this data, 1902-1980.” When compared to MBH98, page 779, it does indeed look similar: “The long instrumental records have been formed into annual mean anomalies relative to the 1902–80
reference period, …”
Not identical, but similar. But wait a minute. What is the context for this? This is the second paragraph of a ‘Summary of Global-scale temperature Patterns and Climate Forcing Over the Past Six Centuries’ by Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes (1998).
The authors are credited. The intent is to  summarize what the authors wrote. The text is not identical, but to be an accurate summary would have to be similar. To say that Wegman plagiarised Bradley when he has Bradley’s name in the chapter title and is trying to summarize what Bradley said… well, I can see where this is going.
All of a sudden this 250 page, convoluted and poorly written report looks like a mountain to climb. It smells like a time-wasting replica of poorly written and un-thought out conspiracy theories.
I will be looking at this report more closely, but I will leave you with some quotes that I think show this to be the type of conspiracy theory nonsense that will have you looking for black helicopters or assorted nonsense. Here’s Mr. Mashey in full swing:
“During 2005-2006, Said was employed by Johns Hopkins University and that affiliation is the one listed on the WR. Did she do the WR work ―on her own time or was she in effect taking time from JHU teaching or research to work on the WR? If so, was this acceptable?”
(Let’s ask Gavin Schmidt, NASA employee and full time blogger at Real Climate…)
“The Federal government pays for many things. It is not obvious why {NIAA, ARL, ARO, NSWRC} seem to be paying statisticians and statistical physicists to attack climate science.”
(Maybe Mr. Mashey should take a good look again at what science is and how it works…)
“Other leadup to the WR is covered in [MAS2010], but it is worth knowing that Wegman, Said, Spencer, McIntyre, Singer, Kueter all attended a climate workshop November 14-16, 2005: www.climatescience.gov/workshop2005/participants.htm. Although I do not know if they met, it certainly seems likely.”
(And what did they have affixed in their lapel buttons?)
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David A. Evans
October 9, 2010 9:35 pm

Never quite understood the logic of climate psientists doing statistical analysis, then complaining about statisticians examining their work.
Seems to me that most of climate psience is statistical analysis anyway.
DaveE.

Schadow
October 9, 2010 9:38 pm

Went to the link for “The Hockey Stick Illusion” which turns up an Amazon page for the Wegman book. I read the reviews then went immediately to the six “1 star” comments. The sputtering and foaming there reminded me of the recent past at CP before they went totally political.
My conclusion: All I need is another 482-page book, but I can tell it’s a must-have!

TomRude
October 9, 2010 10:11 pm

OT: sorry but ridiculae video continues with this one:

Next breathing over a lifetime kills polar bears…

Dishman
October 9, 2010 10:23 pm

It seems to me like bringing attention back to the Wegman Report is an own-goal.
Please, let’s talk about this more!

Stephan
October 9, 2010 10:25 pm

This is probably very good news (The nature article). Its going to backfire in a huge way. BTW looks like Lucia has already found that because of dates 2005) a lot of the DC accusations could not be.true…. already LOL…

October 9, 2010 10:32 pm

Actually, Tom, that argument doesn’t hold now, it didn’t hold then.
It’s an easy argument to counter, actually, and it can be countered two different ways. First, the email itself is not proof of anything – money disappearing in an illegal fashion from one account and appearing in another account proves fraud. The email itself is nothing more than a suggestion, an indicator that fraud might have occurred. To date five separate investigations have found that the CRU emails show no evidence of misconduct with the exception of responding to FOI requests. So my initial arguments about the insufficient context in the CRU emails have been borne out repeatedly.
Second, an email doesn’t necessarily have anything to say about motive. If the accountant committed fraud under duress, then that might not qualify as a crime at all or might be punished very lightly compared to fraud committed for greed.
Argument countered.
BTW, you never addressed your fundamental inconsistency regarding the CRU emails, namely claiming in one place that the emails didn’t change the science, yet claiming that some of the emails cast the science in doubt. You can’t have it both ways, Tom.

harry
October 9, 2010 10:34 pm

I don’t think any of Bradley friends (you know the ones, they are the people that conduct his “independent” peer reviews), will be thanking him for this in a few months time.
The last thing this statistically challenged discipline needs is to go pick a fight with the statistics establishment, it might just cause a bunch of them to start taking a serious look at the “science” being “discovered” by Bradley and his cohorts.
As the modus operandi of the Hockey Team becomes more apparent to mainstream scientists, happy to use the most specious grounds to try to destroy a scientist’s career to defend their own shoddy practices, I expect more scientists will be willing to speak out against them.
Based on Mashey’s delusional work, I expect that this plagiarism charge will be thrown out with a giant smack for all those associated with it.

spangled drongo
October 9, 2010 10:50 pm

Clangers and Mash anyone?

Eric Anderson
October 9, 2010 10:54 pm

Break out the shovel. It’s getting Deep . . .

D. King
October 9, 2010 11:07 pm

(And what did they have affixed in their lapel buttons?)
LOL!
No, no, it was more subtle than that.
They probably used a secret wink code.

Steven mosher
October 9, 2010 11:11 pm

Did you know that Wegmans bibliography has some books listed that they never cited!
OMG. stop the presses. the hockey stick is saved.
Err, gosh, maybe Mashy never wrote a college paper. We require that All works consulted be in a bibliography… of course the works you actually cite is shorter than the works consulted.

Jonde
October 9, 2010 11:17 pm

Could someone accuse IPCC for plagiarism? Lots of copy-paste in climate bible. Wegman did a survey and gave an expert opinion. IPCC do surveys and give expert, eh, opinions. Same? It is OK to criticize the content of this type of reports, but to try to make a weak claim of plagiarism is just lame.
Nether IPCC or Wegman did original research. They just summarize the topic and give their opinion. That’s it. There is no case for plagiarism.

Steven mosher
October 9, 2010 11:18 pm

Ok:
Steve McIntyre shows you how to handle the Mashey pile.
:Steve McIntyre (Comment#53771) October 9th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
The Oxford Companion to Global Change, David Cuff and Andrew Goudie
Variations in tree-ring widths from one year to the next have long been recognized as an important source of chronological and climatic information. The mean width of a ring in any one tree is a function of many variables, including the tree species, its age, the availability of stored nutrients in the tree and surrounding soil, and a host of climatic factors, including temperature, precipitation and availability of sunlight.
Bradley textbook:
Variations in tree-ring widths from one year to the next have long been recognized as an important source of chronological and climatic information… The mean width of a ring in any one tree is a function of many variables, including the tree species, tree age, availability of stored food within the tree and of important nutrients in the soil, and a whole complex of climatic factors (sunshine, precipitation, temperature, wind speed, humidity, and their distribution throughout the year).
Wegman:
The average width of a tree ring is a function of many variables including the tree species, tree age, stored carbohydrates in the tree, nutrients in the soil, and climatic factors including sunlight, precipitation, temperature, wind speed, humidity, and even carbon dioxide availability in the atmosphere.
###################
time for somebody to get Bradley textbook. Apply some software and go full bore.
Wegman is a bit player in the HS. Bradley is on the core team. Target Bradley.

Bryan A
October 9, 2010 11:34 pm

This would appear to be something akin to a political debate. If you can’t poke holes or uncover flaws in the message, disparage the messenger. This tactic is far to often utilized by the debater who is losing the argument.

October 9, 2010 11:34 pm

This whole thing is too bizarre for my little mind. I’m off to read some Emanuel Kant, at least the logic is sound, even if the style Byzantine.

Ross
October 9, 2010 11:42 pm

Lesson no.1 : Never ever pick a fight over fact or detail with Steve McIntyre.
As many others have said , Wegmans “manuscript” was a report , a review of what he considered the facts and his expert opinion on the statistical methods used. It was not an academic paper on original reasearch . If a couple of pieces of the report omitted so called proper attribution it does not change the conclusions of the report or the value of the work.
Mashey and co are just playing a childish game of attempted diversion.

Dagfinn
October 10, 2010 12:04 am

Brian Angliss says:
October 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm

BTW, you never addressed your fundamental inconsistency regarding the CRU emails, namely claiming in one place that the emails didn’t change the science, yet claiming that some of the emails cast the science in doubt. You can’t have it both ways, Tom.

Of course he can. It’s the logical equivalent of “the victim was injured but not killed”.

Doug in Seattle
October 10, 2010 12:10 am

I think Dishman might be right about the own goal of Mashey & Bradley’s ploy.
Does the hockey team really want the substance of the Wegman report brought back after having spend so long putting out all those spaghetti lines to support their faux stats?

October 10, 2010 12:17 am

Tom,
You might like to read the part of Mashey’s report starting p 119. It details lots of apparently copied text in the section on Social Networks Analysis. This is a new topic that they have introduced, with mathy talk about triads and graphs. They’re not describing climate science background – they are trying to give the impression that they know about SNA and so should we. And a substantial chunk is copied out of Wikipedia. There’s a 400 word para verbatim – no coincidence possible. And of course no reference or acknowledgement at all. Lots of other stuff in that section apparently from other sources.

Konrad
October 10, 2010 12:26 am

I am half way through the Bishop’s excellent work. On what I have read so far, I would also conclude that the Wegman report has some deficiencies. In light of the behavior of the hockey team, the report should have been written in language requiring an parental advisory notice. Someone needs to tell John Mashey that scam is over. The Rubenesque Diva is reaching into the props box for the hat with the horns and he comes out with this dross!

Peter P.
October 10, 2010 12:26 am

Hey Anthony, slightly off topic… I think 10 October from now on should be remembered as Climate Fools Day.
A hundred years from now, children will remember and celebrate this day!
Thank you 10:10. No Pressure!

Steven mosher
October 10, 2010 12:39 am

Started to read Masheys mash up. the color codes. the patterns. the lines criss crossing connecting everything.
i once had a friend with OCD who tried to do this with James Joyce. seriously disturbed.
i also flashed on this:

Steven mosher
October 10, 2010 12:44 am

‘there is no conspiracy john, it’s in your mind.

Pete
October 10, 2010 12:44 am

Brian Angliss says:
October 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm
On your first point: “To date five separate investigations have found that the CRU emails show no evidence of misconduct with the exception of responding to FOI requests.”
This is not entirely accurate, they did say they found no evidence, they did not say the emails show no evidence, how could they if they didn’t read them? Unless of course you can provide a copy of the evidence list of exactly what they did look at, containing all the released files in FOI.zip, which seems not to exist.
Your second point: “Second, an email doesn’t necessarily have anything to say about motive. If the accountant committed fraud under duress, then that might not qualify as a crime at all or might be punished very lightly compared to fraud committed for greed. ”
So it was OK for the accountant to commit fraud because his department needed funding? Because he needed prestige? Because he wanted to cover his past mistakes and shoddy work?
Are you really trying to insinuate Mann (might have) committed fraud under duress, and it’s therefore not as bad as doing it on purpose for financial gain? Are you saying he did what he did, whatever that may be, for the right reasons, therefore it might not be a crime at all?
Isn’t being a little bit guilty, a bit like being a little bit pregnant?
And this is your logic as to why we should ignore the HSI?
How bizarre!

stephen richards
October 10, 2010 12:49 am

Brian Angliss says:
October 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Na na na-na na.! Brian actually that is pathetic. Read your response again, please.

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