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Reid set to put off climate bill
By: Darren Samuelsohn and Coral Davenport
July 22, 2010 01:01 PM EDT
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appears set to punt on a controversial climate proposal while moving to the floor next week with a more limited bipartisan bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items, according to aides and senators.
The Nevada Democrat’s decision, expected to be made public Thursday after an afternoon luncheon with the entire 59-member Democratic caucus, comes in the face of a dwindling calendar ahead of the August recess and the recognition that he is not close to the 60 votes needed on any bill that caps greenhouse gas emissions.
“We don’t have the 60 votes,” said Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”.
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I would be just as vigilant about the oil spill bill. The fox is defending the chicken house. Liberal attempts at chipping away towards a cap and trade society is much like the conservative’s attempt at chipping away towards a criminalizing a woman’s reproductive rights. It’s a slippery slope and should not be tolerated in any form. A wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf though he only has a sheep’s tail attached.
Good!
A little bit of good news !!
We need another distraction to belay even the limited version. It’s just a half-step but it moves in the wrong direction. Congress has already shown, for several decades, they haven’t a clue when it comes to energy. If the U.S. had any sense, we’d pass a constitutional amendment forbidding congress to address the energy needs of this nation forever. Through the countless times congress addressed our energy needs in one form or another, I can’t recall once where they got it right.
What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .
The only thing I want to see out of Congress for several years to come are bills to repeal bad laws.
No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. Judge Gideon J. Tucker
“Rather than a long-awaited measure capping greenhouse gases – or even a more limited bill directed only at electric utilities – Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will move forward next week on a bipartisan energy-only bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items.
… Translation: ”We’re just going to ‘sneak’ them into the bill. ”
Never let a
mismanagedoil spill crisis bill go to waste.The cap is on the well, but don’t think that they won’t try to sneak in ‘extra’ caps on other sources of energy.
As Bobby Jindal debates the rock-fill barriers to stop the oil from coming in during storms vs the ‘concerned’ fish & game officials & scientists who worry about damage, a storm is forecast to shut down oil cleanup and put the oil booms on the shelf.
Translation: How to drag feet and extend the crisis/damage with the left hand while the right hand hammers away at draconian measure legislation.
Yeah, you read them right, Pam.
There’s a ton of money to be expropriated by monetizing the air, aka “cap and trade.”
Once Earth’s atmosphere has been fully monetized, and made fungible through “carbon credits” (a fiat currency derived from governmental “ownership” of the Earth’s atmosphere), all of the insiders, manipulators, lobbyists, and other parasites will pocket their billion$ through the skimming mechanisms now in place (e.g., Chicago Climate Exchange, European Climate Exchange).
There’s too much money to be made from monetizing the air, and too many politicians and manipulators anxious to pocket whatever can be stolen from the naive dummycrat. So – nevermind the science – “cap and trade” is coming, by hook or by crook. Or both.
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/energy/spending-cuts
Don’t break out the champagne yet. There will be a lame-duck session after the election. The Dems that get voted out might vote fot it and pass it just to spite the next congress….
Beware the lame duck session.
But, but, but, but, but, but… isn’t that going to make it difficult to carve out a legally binding agreement for all countries in Mexico later this year?
crosspatch says:
July 22, 2010 at 11:56 am
Beware the lame duck session.
Jurrasic Park IV, in the Halls of Congress lurk Velociducktors.
Pamela is correct. Inhofe has already warned they intend to get “something/anything” passed with ENERGY in the heading, then go into conference, and merge it with Crap n Tax from the house, slamming the CO2 economy kill into the final version. Word is out, and this is likely why Lindsay Graham pulled out of this bill, but you’ve still got weak spots like Brown and Snowe who don’t understand who they’re dealing with.
P Walker says:
July 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
“What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .”
Well, yes, vague for two reasons, 1. no details reveals means no one can pin anyone down and hold them accountable. 2. As revealed during the health-care debate, our senators and representatives don’t typically read the finalized bills they are voting on, so, they don’t know anything other than vague ideas communicated to them about what is in the bills.
BTW, “more popular energy items”, in this case, means they’ll divide and conquer as opposed to one lump sum. From the story …Instead, it has low-hanging-fruit provisions dealing with the oil spill, “Home Star” energy efficiency upgrades, incentives for the conversion of trucking fleet to natural gas and the Land and Water Conservation Fund……… and then later in the same story, …”Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Kerry’s partner on the climate proposal, said he had no problem with Reid delaying debate on greenhouse gas caps. “If that’s the truth, it keeps the process open for negotiating a broader utilities-only bill in September,” he said.”
On a personal note, every time I see the words “Water Conservation”, I lose a little more faith in humanity, both in humanity’s ability to reason, and humanity’s never ending quest for power over other members of humanity.
otwome says:
July 22, 2010 at 11:42 am
“Rather than a long-awaited measure capping greenhouse gases – or even a more limited bill directed only at electric utilities – Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will move forward next week on a bipartisan energy-only bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items.
… Translation: ”We’re just going to ‘sneak’ them into the bill. ”
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All you have to do is look at history: (democrats were the Trojan Horse that time too)
“…then at the insistence of Paul Warburg who was forever the master strategist, they added several very sound provisions to the Federal Reserve Bill. By that I mean they added some provisions which seriously restricted the ability of the Federal Reserve to create money out of nothing. Warburg’s associates said, “Paul, what are you doing? We don’t want those in there this is our bill.” And his response was this, he said, “Relax fellas, don’t you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later.” Those were his exact words. “We can fix it up later.” He was so right. It was because of those provisions that they won over the support of William Jennings Bryan the head of the Populist Movement, the last hold-out against the bill. Bryan was concerned that this would be an instrument for ruining the nation’s money supply but when he saw those provisions he said, “Oh well, those are good provisions, I guess I can support the bill now” never dreaming that this was temporary. Everything is temporary in politics. When people go to sleep things can get changed.
Warburg was right and they fixed it up later. The Federal Reserve Act since it was passed has been amended over 100 times. Every one of those provisions were long ago removed and many more have been added which greatly expand the power and reach of the Federal Reserve System to create money out of nothing. With this kind of professional strategy and deception these people were real professionals and the public didn’t stand a chance….” http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm
THAT is the type of strategy we as voters must be aware of. Never let them get a foot in the door or you are lost.
You can bet they will try to backdoor some kind of climate legislation in the energy bill.
I forgot to add “compromise” in politics is another word for losing.
Sorry chaps but it needs to start getting cooler fast!!! The more prolonged then the less likely we will see legislation as people respond angrily to any idea that they should pay more to keep warm while preventing the world from ‘over-heating’ in a cooling world. :o)
So far the signs point to cooling. We will have to wait and see.
There are 5 unelected Senators currently in the Senate. If I recall properly, at least 3 of them aren’t planning on running to stay in the Senate, so for them, their entire Senate careers will be lame duck.
They have certainly been voting that way.
How about making these popular energy items?
http://www.idlefreesystems.com/
Please, how about insulating the roof, walls and floor of the vehicles. They insulate the food to keep it fresh when its brought to ya. The hell with the poor slave that brought it to you, let ’em roast and freeze.? But by God lock ’em up if they idle, and we better not see no damn smoke! Even if it bankrupts everybody…
If this “innocuous” bill passes, then there won’t have to be another bill during the lame duck session. They just need to go into conference with the already passed Waxman-Markey bill. The resulting “compromise” can include whatever cap and trade provisions desired.
I see this as pure politics. Opponents of cap and trade will have a difficult time opposing a bill that looks as if it only has benign provisions, with the embedded hook only appearing after the election. If they vote against, then they’ll be castigated for being against the benign provisions and have the difficult defense of arguing about what the dems might do.
If they can manage to slip THIS into the heath care destruction bill, one can bet they will try and get cap and tax in to something somewhere.
WASHINGTON — Some 750 boats drafted in to scoop up oil from the Gulf of Mexico are having “trouble” finding any crude in the sea, a top US official said Wednesday, almost a week after a busted well was capped.
“We are starting to have trouble finding oil,” US pointman Admiral Thad Allen, who is in charge of handling the government’s response, told reporters.
The boats, which have been drafted in to skim oil off the surface of the Gulf, are “really having to search for the oil in some cases” around the area of the capped well, he added.