Whoo boy. It must be rough out there when CSIRO has to have seminars on how to deal with us rowdy ruffian “deniers”. I’m surprised though, a 15 million budget, and they ask you to bring a sack lunch?
Here’s the text, PDF follows:
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DSE invites members of the Victorian Public Service to a presentation on:
Dealing with climate change denialism with Paul Holper, CSIRO
Popular opinion on climate change often waivers, particularly when the media focus on denialist views and encourage “debates” with climate change scientists.
The Victorian Government, along with other governments in Australia and across the world, rely on the scientific community for advice on climate change and its likely impacts.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.
Paul Holper (CSIRO) will present on ways to approach climate change denialism in a Victorian context.
To register for this event please email: climate.change@dse.vic.gov.au by Friday 11 June 2010
Friday 18 June 2010, 12:00 pm – 1:30 pm (includes question time)
Treasury Theatre, Lower Plaza
1 Macarthur Street, East Melbourne
BYO lunch!
Paul Holper
Paul manages the CSIRO’s involvement in the Australian Climate Change Science Program, a $15 million program supported by the Commonwealth Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency. This program undertakes observations of the atmosphere, oceans and terrestrial systems, as well as climate model development, and projections of Australia’s likely future climate. Paul coordinated the most recent climate change projections for Australia (based on IPCC models), announced by BoM and CSIRO in 2007.
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Thanks to David Archibald for the tip.
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Dang, I’ll miss it. If the only ones who show up are wearing WUWT lapel
buttons….
So the Victorian government has sponsored a seminar to instruct people how to stifle public debate?
Wow.
Are the public coffers so overflowing in Australia that spending on this kind of one-sided advocacy doesn’t raise the hackles of the electorate?
And this doesn’t even address the anti-scientific nature of such a “seminar”.
We’ve entered another er,…arms race?
We deny their statements.
They build bigger, longer ranged statements.
We present open science and invite debate.
They build multiple Meme re-entry wordheads, capable of injecting a dozen memes from low orbit.
We offer a middle ground to discuss, even debate publicly our points.
They build stealth memories, capable of flying under concious RADAR, right into ones long term memories. Undetected! And then they use it on Kids!.
We provide DATA, methodology, and self critical appraisal of our own scientific approaches.
They weaponise language and sell it on the green market, to banana republic dictators for use in schools, churches and nature clubs.
Finally we launch a web based rebutle to each and every point they raise.
And then they have to admit, they have the money, but…we have the tenacity.
Keep up the good work WUWT. You’ve got them [SNIP]ing themselves.
Robustness, yes.
Rigour and Credibility, that’s a joke!
How apt!
Paul Holper (CSIRO) will present on ways to approach climate change denialism in a Victorian context.
Victorian times were proverbially puritanical and hypocritical.
I registered. Here is the content of my email:
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You must be really worried about all the non-peer reviewed literature in IPCC report if you have to resort to propaganda meetings to support your political position. Did Tony Blair donate any of the 5 million pounds a year he says he needs to live in the style to which he has become accustomed? Did Al Gore? How bout the WWF or Greenpeace? Or are you just ripping off your local tax payers to brainwash them with unsubstantiated power point slides? Maybe you could invite Lord Monckton or Bjorm Borg to bring some rationale discussion to your circus.
From Wayne Delbeke from the Great White North (Canada) …. and getting whiter … forecast is for snow in Alberta this Friday. Where is that Global Warming that is supposed to increase my crop production? Oh yeah. That’s just weather.
Enjoy.
So they are having a seminar on how to talk to folks who don’t believe. What do they call that? Can’t remember. Apologetics? No. Hermeneutics? That’s not it. Exegetics? No.
Oh. I remember.
Evangelism!
Do they have a book?
Gandhi remarked to the effect of:
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
He also said this too:
“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.” — Mohandas Gandhi
“Popular opinion on climate change often
waiverswavers, particularly when the media focus on denialist views and encourage “debates” with climate change scientists.”“The Victorian Government, along with other governments in Australia and across the world,
relyrelies on the scientific community for advice on climate change and its likely impacts.”Mechanics: D
Content: F
Somewhere over the rainbow…
Dealing with Climate Change Ignorance, with Captain Tuttle
(Commonwealth Scientific Ignorance Research Organisation)
Key themes:
*Why using the word “attribution” is stupid
*How the stupidity spreads
*Is Real Climate to blame?
*Difference between “Science” and “Scientists”
BBQ Lunch!
“Dealing with climate change denialism with Paul Holper”
Funny. Since Holper et al are the ones truly in denial, this really should be about self-counseling.
Anthony I sure hope there’s a way you or a contributor can report the contents of this seminar, or seance, or whatever term best fits it, because that would no doubt be a real hoot.
Readers, please help me. Although I live in Melbourne and worked for CSIRO as a young graduate, I cannot go to the “BYO lunch” because I am not now a public servant.
But are there restrictions in some countries that legally prevent public servants from offering opinions that might impact upon election results? I seem to recall browsing some comment from the USA where there was mention of a law by name.
This is not our only problem. Here is a report from the Federal Department of Treasury, which I will repeat verbatim from the think tank, the Institute of Public Affairs. Do open the graphs. I do not know if this is cherry picking because I do not know if there was a requirement to report on all G20 countries. But it looks a bit like selective misleading.
From John Roskam | Thursday, 13 May 2010
This graph was in the Budget Papers on Tuesday night. It compares the size of stimulus packages against growth projections made by the International Monetary Fund.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/sherro_2008/2010/Handpicked.jpg?t=1273752359
Treasury claims the graph demonstrates the bigger the stimulus, the bigger the difference between what the IMF predicted would happen and what actually happened (ie the bigger the stimulus the bigger the recovery).
But the IPA’s Professor Sinclair Davidson asked himself – why are there are only 11 countries in the graph??? The original IMF document Treasury got the data from was a list of all the countries in the G20. (There’s 19 countries in the G20 plus the European Union.)
Sinclair plotted all 19 countries. And guess what? THERE’S NO STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE between the size of stimulus packages and economic recovery. Sinclair explains it here.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/sherro_2008/2010/full_data.jpg?t=1273752423
Why did Treasury include China in their graph but not Russia? or Brazil but not Mexico? … mmm … have Treasury officials learned statistics from the folks from the University of East Anglia?
Institute of Public Affairs | Level 2 | 410 Collins Street | Melbourne | Victoria | 3000 | Australia
And this total waste of my taxes and state duties just after I had been praising DSE on the fantastic package of data that they had sent me on duck hunting!
I guess it must be wabbit season now! Or is this related to their worries about the visit of some significant members of the skeptic community to Melbourne shortly? We will know if you have really scared them if they are running this presentation in all states prior to Anthony and David’s appearances.
Show valid data and everyone will shut up and get on with resolving the problem, if any.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.
Often? OFTEN?
GOOD Lord!
The NZ government seems to be beginning a new PR campaign to justify our ETS, because their own coalition partner ACT has begun making some headway in convincing farmers of its true cost and stupidity. There was an article in the paper attempting to rubbish ACT’s claims and spouting the same old ‘compelling evidence for AGW’. They even accused ACT of scaremongering, imagine that. I couldn’t find an electronic version unfortunately. We recently had a goods and services tax increase (GST) and the public seems to have forgotten about the ETS coming into effect on July 1, most are probably still unaware of it.
“The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.”
This is a joke …… I am going to register and suggest they read Montfords book “The Hockey Stick Illusion” …… sometimes I think these guys just do not hear what they are saying …..
Mechanics: D
Content: F
As much as I’d like to ding them for mechanics, it won’t do.
Outside the US, English collective nouns take the plural, not singular. As in, “The crowd are loving it.” Or, “The government are crooks.”
Popular opinion on climate change often waivers
You do have them there, though.
“CSIRO has to have seminars”
This isn’t a CSIRO seminar.
I see the poster says “BYO lunch!”
They forgot to add “Kool-Aid will be served.”
A couple of things come to mind:
1. I guess we will soon all be sent off to re-education camps.
2. Alarmists are usually too scared to debate the issues and have their bad science exposed – is this a change of strategy?
And there I thought the CSIRO had previously chastised their employees for speaking out on policy-related issues. Here I sit corrected and embarrassed for Australians at large.
what is up with amsr-e?
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
is it going below 2006? the next 5 weeks will be interesting.
evanmjones says on May 26, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Hmmm, I grew up in Australia, and I would say: The crowd is loving it. As for the government, while I agree with the sentiment, I would probably say “The government is a bunch of crooks.”
More CSIRO propaganda that they want us involved in:
http://www.cse.csiro.au/forms/form-survey-sea-level.aspx?gclid=CJz-meTx7KECFcgvpAodNxw0Lg