Ummm Charles, about that train thingy you arrived on…

From the UK Express

PRINCE CHARLES ON CLIMATE CHANGE: GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICS ARE ALL LIARS

Charles, who has campaigned on global warming for more than 20 years, said: “I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.

Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change’

“Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?

“This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”

He added: “And, ladies and gentlemen please be in no doubt that the evidence of long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is utterly overwhelming.”

Charles spoke after arriving in Manchester by Royal Train pulled by a coal-fired steam locomotive, named the Tornado, which was rebuilt from a 1948 design.

Read the entire article at the UK Express


First let me say that I like trains. But Charles apparently has no clue about how such a pronouncement might be viewed by commoners when he’s apparently doing nothing to curb his own carbon footprint. Will Jim Hansen denounce him for riding on a  coal powered “death train”?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01299/train-york_1299795i.jpg

The Royal Train - click for more - image from the Telegraph

Charles also seems to think that sea level is a static feature of our dynamic Earth. Here’s a few reminders about sea level change the prince probably hasn’t discussed in polite conversations. He might also benefit from a visit to Israel, where sea level has been variable for the last 2500 years.

File:Post-Glacial Sea Level.png

Image: Global Warming Art

Here’s the last 9000 years which appear almost flat in the graph above due to scale used:

File:Holocene Sea Level.png

Image: Global Warming Art

In our current era, while sea level has in fact been rising, continuing the trend started thousands of years ago, it recently appears to have slowed a bit:

Image: University of Colorado

Clearly we live in the golden age of relative stability, but Earth is very seldom that way. The rise of  man just happened to get lucky…thanks to a warming world.

But who to believe, a coal powered prince or your own lying eyes?

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286 thoughts on “Ummm Charles, about that train thingy you arrived on…

  1. It’s warmed over the last 100 years.

    SL is up 6 inches.

    Man has made a “potentially irreversible impact”.

    Two words:

    DUH.

    AND?

    Meanwhile, do we have a skeptic alive who does NOT believe this?

  2. We need to thank Chuck for continually reminding us why the entire concept of “Royalty” is such a bad idea, and why here in the former colonies our ancestors chose to dump the entire idea in the trash 230 years ago.

  3. I’ve always thought that if there were anyone more stump-dumb than Al Gore it is Prince Charles. My opinion verified.

  4. John-Daly dot com has a pic of mean tide carved into a rock in Tasmaina, looks like sea level now is unchanged since 1841 …
    “1841 sea level benchmark (centre) on the `Isle of the Dead’, Tasmania. According to Antarctic explorer, Capt. Sir James Clark Ross, it marked mean sea level in 1841 …”

  5. Wonder what Charlie’s eldest son thinks? I’m happy to make him king of Oz if he comes out and says AGW is a crock.

  6. …… and spoke of the “alarming messages” from explorers such as Pen Hadow about the melting polar regions.

    Is this a post-modern Monty Python sketch ??

  7. As I’ve said many times, you may have a high level of education, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you are wise.
    I suggest HRH Chuck isn’t too wise.

  8. I was going to post a scene from the Ruling Class, but this twit is an entire order of magnitude more insane than O’Toole was in that film.

  9. He offsets his carbon footprint by getting the rest of us to reduce luxury items like energy, food and private transport.

  10. Do leave Charles alone. He is really quite harmless. Canada , Australia and New Zealand will soon enough become republics anyway – whatever Charlie’s views on Sea Level Rise, Global Warming or anything else may be. And England will be a state of Europe!

  11. Quote: Jerry (20:24:40) : “I’ve always thought that if there were anyone more stump-dumb than Al Gore it is Prince Charles. My opinion verified.”

    I think it’s a close tie.

    Oliver K. Manuel

  12. I really wonder how many people the six inch rise in the 1900′s have killed. My guess, not one.

    What Charles is really trying to tell us commoners that if he had lived 125 years ago he would have created a UN with an IPCC division to scream at humanity of the imposing and devastating 6 inch rise approaching to decimate the 1900′s. Charles, relax, go enjoy your choo-choo.

  13. Unfortunately Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales, where I believe the sea level is rising. If he was the Prince of Scotland he might find that sea level is falling i.e. the land mass is still rising after removal of the ice sheet from the last ice age. The same with most of Scandinavia.

    Ron (20:29:55), my take on the IPCC is the Ideological Pursuit of Carbon Control.

  14. Anthony,

    Great juxtaposition-

    The Prince saddled by dogma vs. the studies of 2500 years of variation in sea level.

    If he can live long enough he will see the level go down, at the next ice age if not before.

  15. “why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than 400 feet higher than they were 20,000 years ago?”

    The Queen will hold on until she is 120 if she has to – to keep him off the throne.

  16. However, the queen ain’t no genius either. I am decidedly unimpressed with Briton’s loyalty. From the queen right on down to the queen’s 3rd cousin once removed. For all that loyal education, ya think ya’ll could come up with a “smarter” be-jeweled majesty. Or at least the offspring.

    But, who am I to talk. I voted for Obummer.

  17. “Steve Goddard (20:52:58) :

    The Queen will hold on until she is 120 if she has to – to keep him off the throne.”

    He will never succeed to the throne, he’s not popular enough in the eyes of the British public. His son, William, will.

  18. What a coincidence!

    I too have “watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the” warmists rammed through Bad Science and almost pulled off a coup that would have crippled our entire civilization.

    It’s too easy, mocking this dim bulb. God Save The Queen… PLEASE… the alternative is charles.

  19. I can’t relate how it is to be as rich as royalty. He can do whatever he wants. The world is his playground. He can sit on a train instBut I do sccraead of a plane—he’s got the time, he’s got all the time in the world.

    But I’m not so dumb to think that he’s making less co2 by taking a train that has black smoke poring out of the smoke stack than he would be making on a plane.

  20. Chuck and I are the same vintage, and ever since he became an expert on London architecture, I’ve been a little embarrassed about the fact. Long live the Queen.

  21. I think Elizabeth is hoping the Male Windsor Genes kick in and she won’t have to worry
    about jumping over to William…

  22. The only thing he ever done right was get kissed by shielas on Bondi beach in bikinis freeing women to wear as little as they like on the beaches of Australia.

    Maybe all that female global warming addled his head eggs.

  23. Chuck and Cammy were in Chile last year when we were there. They flew around South America in their private jet blowing off steam about organic wines and global warming … as if he actually gives a s**t.

    I watched this buffoon on TV recently…he was walking around acres of underused arable land (that produced no crops) and beaking off about organic this and that. The gardens produced nothing of use, had plants from all over the world at huge cost….blah blah blah. Undisturbed countryside makes more ecological sense. He is such a hypocrite …a spoiled, opinionated twit. Snip away. ☺

    Methinks that “mummy” is none to pleased with the lad.

    Clive

  24. Excuse the Brits on here you guys, we have had to put up with this non elected, public financed, numpty for many years!
    6″ rise? Yep, I am sure one of his plants told him that during one of their many, deep, scientific debates!
    Mind you, his dad Phill the Greek is also well know for opening his mouth without thinking so maybe thats where he gets it from!

  25. As I recall the British used to have a term for the result of “excessive inbreeding” among “Royalty”. I think it was ToWardsInsolantTyrany (or some variant of same.)

    Didn’t some fellow named “Brave Heart” do something about the T.W.I.T’s some years ago?

    Evidently some “got away”.

  26. The British royals are not know for their intellectual prowess. They are better known for being randy as goats. Even their polo ponies refuse to allow them to pass astern. I suspect Charles’ random babbling about environmental Armageddon has a objective; that objective wears silk panties and weeps for the starving polar bears.

  27. Here’s a substitute with the typos cleaned up:

    The British royals are not known for their intellectual prowess. They are better known for being randy as goats. Even their polo ponies refuse to allow them to pass astern. I suspect Charles’ random babbling about environmental Armageddon has an objective; that objective wears silk panties and weeps for the starving polar bears.

  28. I’ve never had an opportunity to say this about a ‘Royal’ in public before, may I then say: “He’s an idiot” on this subject?

    Clinical definition only mind you …
    .
    .

  29. Once again Charles proves why his Mum won’t give him the keys of the family business

    By the by the BBC America TV just ran a piece on a AGW debate in Oz land, the sceptics won hands down and it appears that the public opinion has turned decidedly against the warmers and the politicals are taking notice.

  30. Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :

    At least the Queen is smart enough to not let him on the throne. And Charles has done everything in his power to prove her right.

    A lot of folks voted for Obama, that was before he decided to run over our Carbon Footprints with his Obummer Hummer.
    btw… did you feel the 5.9 off N. Calif Coast today?

  31. ummm ok, we are the liars, but then come clean that both your kids are not for you AHHAHAHAHHA

  32. philincalifornia (20:38:26) :

    …… and spoke of the “alarming messages” from explorers such as Pen Hadow about the melting polar regions.

    Is this a post-modern Monty Python sketch ??

    “The world is mad and all things show it;
    I thought so once, but now I know it.”

  33. The Royal Train – click for more – image from the Telegraph

    Mods: the “click for more” feature doesn’t work.

    REPLY: It does now, there was a silver spoon jammed in the link – A

  34. I remember Jeremy Clarkson made comment on Prince Charle’s new Prius on Top Gear a few years ago. Apparently Prince Charles parks it in his garage, next to his Aston Martin, Landrover Discovery, Bentley etc etc …

  35. The Royals are irrelevant – they have no power or any say on anything. Poor old Charlie just likes to pontificate on anything he fancies. There is no point in trashing the royal family.The ‘old commonwealth’ countries will become republics and England is steadily loosing its sovereignty to the European unelected ‘mandarins’. It is already devolving authority to Scotland and Wales – so where does that leave the royal family? Gazing at navels? So forget Charlie boy.

  36. This statement, and the visit he made the other day to UEA, is surely something that was urged upon him by his green advisors as a PR event. That’s its root. On his own Chuck would probably have the sense to “stop digging.”

  37. It’s always been a mystery to me why so much attention is paid to the opinions of the royals. Charles is just the thickest and most vocal of a seriously neuronally-challenged family, but the dullness of mind can be traced back through all the earlier generations. [George III (as in The Madness of King George), after all, is a direct ancestor of Charles (grandfather of Queen Victoria, and great-great-great-great grandfather of Charles), and things don't seem to have improved much since his time.]
    The only argument I’ve heard here in Britain for retaining the royals is that they generate more tourist income than they cost the UK taxpayer, but I don’t believe that. Surely if we binned the royal family and kept all their palaces and knick-knacks, we could make just as much by charging tourists to see them. The environment would benefit as well, since we’d use a lot less paper if we didn’t have to report on the latest verbal emissions from a family of dimwits.

  38. What is amazing is how few people know the story of climate change.

    All climate scientists know this story. And yet the media who report on the work of climate scientists, the environmental activist groups, and 95% of the population don’t know it.

    You would think they would be up in arms about such basic ignorance. The IPCC should be giving press conferences, Greenpeace should be holding information awareness days to counteract such ignorance..

    But silence.

    During the Eemian interglacial 120,000 years ago the sea level was maybe 5m higher than today. And temperatures were perhaps a few degrees warmer.

    But the only time I have seen a reference to the Eemian interglacial in the mainstream media it was a story about how dangerous the current situation was because it showed how quickly sea level could rise.

    No comment like:

    Wow, that happened when there were no people.

    It’s important to understand that just because climate has changed a lot with no people, doesn’t mean we can’t influence the climate. I’m sure we can.

    But I’m against Climate Ignorance.

    Find out about CO2 – An insignificant trace gas?
    And if you’ve visited before, Part Three and Part Four are now on-line

  39. Prince Charles says “Sea levels have risen 6 inches in the past 100 years, and that is a fact”. A fact check on the Web shows that Earth’s population has risen from 1,6 billion in year 1900 to 6 billion in year 2000. An increase of 375% in that same century. And, unlike sea level rise, that one is exponential. Oh! Come on Charles! Are we headed towards being swamped by water or by people? Why can’t we just enjoy our remaining time down here, and have the happiness of knowing you are gaining pleasure from your rides behind carbon-spewing steam locomotives.
    Geoff Alder

  40. “He will never succeed to the throne, he’s not popular enough in the eyes of the British public. His son, William, will.”

    You do not get to choose who is monarch. It’s not an elective post.

    If you over-ride primogeniture to remove Charles, Why stop there? I would suggest removing the next 50 Million or so in order until you arrive at me. More relevantly, Queenie would never have survived against her prettier, cleverer and much more popular sister.

    In any case, putting William on the throne is hardly going to raise the bar, intellectually speaking. He’s better looking because he has his mother’s genes. Sadly he got her brains as well.

  41. I feel I really must appologise for our Charles, it’s hereditory you know on his fathers side, ocassionally he does get away from his advisors and then anything can happen. Please don’t be offended he will be ok once he’s back in his normal surroundings, thank you for your patience.

  42. Glenn Rowe (22:25:08) :
    ‘but the dullness of mind can be traced back through all the earlier generations. [George III (as in The Madness of King George), after all, is a direct ancestor of Charles (grandfather of Queen Victoria, and great-great-great-great grandfather of Charles), and things don't seem to have improved much since his time.]

    Oh Please. Don’t play amateur geneticist on the Royal Family. There are many blood lines and other factors that come into play. Victoria and Albert were both very intelligent and well educated for starters.
    The present British Government exhibits much less intelligence and acumen than even poor Charles seems to display and they have real power. Focus there. As I say leave the royals out – they are irrelevant.

  43. Latest picture of Charles has just come in…….

    [IMG]http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture23-3.jpg[/IMG]

  44. Leigh (20:48:16) :

    Unfortunately Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales, where I believe the sea level is rising. If he was the Prince of Scotland he might find that sea level is falling(…)

    Quote of the Week is settled? :)

  45. All that has happened here is that Charles has been used by the Greens and his vanity has got him into trouble.

  46. The Queen’s speech 2009 mentioned a lot about the environment but didn’t talk about AGW at all (even though she had just been to a AGW Commonwealth meeting).

    Me thinks that HRH is a bit smarter than we give her credit for.

    As for Chazza, he’s a dropkick…

  47. Of course, humans have made an irreversible impact on the planet…so have termites, trees, bacteria and every other living thing. As long as there is life on the planet, the environment will be irreversible. The world was never exactly like it is now, nor will it ever be exactly the same again. Stasis is a myth and sustainability is a form of double-speak. Change is not just a good idea. It’s the law. Get use to it, Chuck!

    The whole modern eco-movement is based on a serious of false premises derived from ignorance. Thank you Rachel Carson.

  48. I wish people would take the same attitude about ad hominem attacks to those made against Prince Charles as to those affecting Christopher Monckton. Both are equally repugnant and demean the attackers.

  49. Glenn Rowe (22:25:08)

    George III suffered from Porphyria, he may have lose America but did beat the French so not all bad.

    His son was a bit hopeless which led to the transfer of the Crown Estate to us (the subjects). It currently makes us a profit after allowing for the cost of maintaining the family.

    Charles does have the Prince’s Trust which does excellent work with young people who are often failed by our bizarre welfare system.

    http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/

    Tornado (the locomotive) is brand new not ‘rebuilt’.

  50. Guys

    Almost no one in Britain takes Charles seriously.

    His intellect, or rather lack of, shows clearly that he comes from the shallow end of the gene pool.

    However, for someone who is on record that he wants to be reincarnated as a tampon, he sure brings in a lot of tourism dollars – so he has a use.

  51. This is all about in-breeding – you can’t get smart, even with a terrific education, if you’re the spawn of a highly restricted gene pool. The Royals have bred themselves into dimwittery – it seems appropriate for the age

  52. Capn Jack (21:08:21) :

    The only thing he ever done right was get kissed by shielas on Bondi beach in bikinis freeing women to wear as little as they like on the beaches of Australia.

    I think it was a beach in Perth Western Australia and it was a lady called Jane Preist.

  53. What’s the difference between Charles and Miss America?

    He’s ugly.

    Similarities?

    Durng her reign, Miss America receives a stipend (scholarship) to not work. Her every move is scripted and all she really does is make appearances with the aid of her handlers. For the most part she’s useless.

  54. This is the first time I have seen such a detailed graph of the historic sea level rise. But should there not be blip corresponding to the Loch Lomond Re-advance ? And another question for geologists, are the raised beaches on Jura (Scotland) and on the east coast indicative of a higher sea levels, or are they result of glacial re-bound (or a bit of both)? Just curious, as have never studied geology, but would like to know.

  55. Bonnie Charlie hasn’t a clue. He’s certainly not talking about Sydney Australia. Our sea level has increased 8mm in the last 25 years, and nothing in the past 4 years.

    However, the real crunch is the simple fact that, generally, it’s been rising for 20,000 years. Those nasty humans should have done something about it then.

  56. Onion (23:30:27) :

    This is all about in-breeding – you can’t get smart, even with a terrific education, if you’re the spawn of a highly restricted gene pool. The Royals have bred themselves into dimwittery – it seems appropriate for the age

    Bollocks

  57. Don’t mock the man, a simpleton who has been taken in by able fraudsters. I know far too many people better blessed with intellect than he, who have been taken in, hook line and sinker, by the same fraudulent theorists.

    Forget the simpletons: concentrate on those just a little higher up the mental scale. Those who have enough brain cells to grasp the concept that CO2 absorbs some heat. People like simple concepts that they can readily grasp. Complicated arguments go past people: one gets a more thoughtful reaction to, “not all of the CO2 goes up into the stratosphere – it is half as heavy again as air – a large part stays near the ground where it can feed the trees”. Not good enough for scientists, but it is not so much them, as voters, that need convincing.

  58. Whatever you US folks may think about your President you get the chance to vote him out every four years. We’re stuck with this prat.

    I know that’s ad hom but with an unelected potentate it’s the only recourse we have.

    Bring on the Republic.

  59. If Wales is crowned King Charles III perhaps it would be an idea for those resident in Blighty to conduct ‘Glorious Revolution v2.0′ in favour of King William.

    Again.

  60. The world would be a rather dull place if there were a universal agreement. It is disagreements and confrontation of argument that act as a driving force of any scientific progress.
    Uniformity of thought results in a lethargy of reason.

    Alternatively to quote Carl Sagan : A central lesson of science is that to understand complex issues (or even simple ones), we must try to free our minds of dogma and to guarantee the freedom to publish, to contradict, and to experiment.

  61. Prince Charles is a complete arse. He always has been, and always will be. Did you know that his father made him cry not so long ago by telling him some home truths, and let us not forget that he gave up Diana for Camilla!!! The man is useless to anything or anyone. Fortunately even our Queen knows what a liability to royalty he’d be, and he will thus never become King (that must chew him up). It will pass from the Queen to Prince William – by-passing the arse.

    It’s a well-known fact here (though you jonny foreigners have probably never heard it) that he has SIX boiled eggs cooked every morning – then chooses the one he like’s best. Because, after all, you can’t be sure that one hasn’t had five seconds too long in the water! Arse. That caused much amusement here when that came out.

  62. Poor old Chuck, but then again how can you possibly take seriously anyone who proclaims that he wants to come back as a Tampon in the next life.

    Almost as bad as Pachi who says he is going to take care of his carbon footprint spread over his next couple of re-incarnations because it is too difficult for him to do it this time around.

  63. kadaka (00:19:31) :

    [snip -ott]

    Aww!

    Very well then…

    Peter Miller (23:25:10) :
    (…)
    However, for someone who is on record that he wants to be reincarnated as a tampon, he sure brings in a lot of tourism dollars – so he has a use.

    That, sir, is not what the record said. It is not what he meant, it has been taken out of context, and also was taken from a private phone conversation that should not have been overheard.

    Here is the sequence of quotes to put it in proper context and establish the correct meaning.

    We have enough problems now with the words of climate skeptics being twisted and abused. It is better for us to stick to the moral high ground and avoid doing the same to the CAGW promoters. “Just the facts, sir.”

  64. As a UK ex pat this is just embarassing – reading his statement made me cringe! How can someone who so addamently believes in man made global warming and who has campaigned for it for 20 years be soooooo poorly educated on the subject and science in general that he thinks sea was static until we started burning fossil fuels – I mean seriosuly! Its a classic case of blind belief, a sheep following the crooked sheepherd! Not to be mention do as I say, not as I do like every other celeb who supports “global warming”

    He should go back to his sheltered little make believe world and watch some polo with a glass of pims and his sheltered inbred stuck up chums and talk about “the good old days of the empire”. sorry to be so harsh, but I just cant get over his sheer arrogance!

  65. This can only be good news, Charlie is seen as a crank, flake and weirdo in this country, completely out of touch with reality.

    Lets face it the green agenda suits him in every way, people toiling the land by hand, paying taxes to the rich, what did he call us “liars” in the past, ah yes “serfs”.

  66. What more can you expect from a loon who talks to plants.

    The result of all those years of “royal” in-breeding.

  67. Anthony,

    It’s a shame that Prince Charles is attacked for taking the word of scientists, politicians and “experts” that the worst crisis mankind has ever faced is unfolding, and that CO2 is the culprit. He is not alone and, as a committed defender of all things green, he is merely trying to defend things he cares about from harm.

    Those who use any stick to beat the concept of royalty — envy is not a pleasant vice — will always find fault. Were he to come out tomorrow with a speech denouncing the liars, frauds and wide-boys who are jumping on the AGW bandwagon then we would see the same response — who does he think he is, ill-educated, only out to enjoy himself etc. Perhaps those who attack him so vociferously above would do well to ponder the merits of the presidential system and how its better-educated, incorruptible and honest leaders have performed in the AGW farce. You can get some idea of how they’re responding to the crisis by googling ‘al gore house’ selecting images and enjoying the lovely pics. And, goshdarn, look at that, what’s this when I google howstuffworks boeing rushmore* and click on images? I wonder what’s the footprint of a 747 vs a steamtrain?

    My response to those who are dead keen on reform of political systems is to ask who they’d like as head of state. They tend to go quiet when they think of their current Prime Ministers who are introducing emission trading schemes, carbon taxes and various get-rich-quick scams for their buddies.

    Prince Charles can hold any opinion he likes about AGW and giving them too much prominence here is a waste of effort — it’s the opinions of Presidents, Vice Presidents and Prime Ministers which matter because they are not figureheads, they actually hold the reins of power. Remind me, how are they doing?

    He is wrong about AGW, going with the consensus. He is, however, right about architecture — going against the tyrannical consensus of modernity. Right half the time, that’s life for everyone,more-or-less.

    Julian Flood
    *It’s a great image. It reminds me of flying down the Grand Canyon in a Vulcan which was possibly the best use for carbon ever.

  68. kwik (22:34:58) :
    MaldiveGate is next:

    Thank you for the link… a very interesting read… why am i not surprised…

  69. It would be hard to find a single adult in Britain who respects Prince Charles’s opinion on anything.

    After all, it’s hard to take seriously someone who has to get another man to squeeze his toothpaste onto his toothbrush for him every morning (literally).

    Charles is very much of the ‘this applies to you but not to me’ school; hence the 2 Jags, 2 Audis, 1 Range Rover and 1 Aston Martin in the garage — to which he is perfectly entitled, but not while telling the rest of us to use public transport.

    Thank God the Queen has genes of the long-lived variety.

  70. I really would recommend those who are baffled by the reason why Prince Charles exists, to a quick reading of ‘The Golden Bough’

    He has zero political power. Rather his power is symbolic. He is the ultimate embodiment of ‘celebrity’. He has no talent, no practical competence, no intellect except a kind of post-adolescent sentimentality; in fact he is a very average human being; as average as Homer Simpson ….. and as ‘famous’. .. for just being.

    His role is that of a prisoner in a gilded cage, a scare-crow, a living object of the meaningless adulation, and hatred, of crowds of strangers; an awful warning to those who would aspire to be leaders. In earler times he would have been ritually sacrificed when a social change was needed.

    And to understand why Prince Charles says what he says; viz.,

    I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.

    You have to remember that he was a student in the ‘sixties. And, as a man whose career embodies acting-out the very apotheosis of myth, it is a wonder that he has not got beyond this sixties student sentimentality, which is the hallmark of the immature mind.

    He is indeed an awful warning to those who do not lead the examined life, and so provides a useful social function.

  71. A brief summary of sea level changes, at a level of complexity suitable for royalty, politicians and similar persons.

    At any place in the World, at any given time, sea-level is going:

    a) up

    or

    b) down

  72. I would love to see a scientific debate about AGW between the Prince of Wales and Lord Monckton. But, as always, the warmer will welsh on participation. Talk about nomen est omen.

  73. Nigel S (23:03:48) :

    Leigh (20:48:16)

    “He is also ‘Lord of the Isles’ (Scotland). You must have noticed the kilts.”

    Nigel, thanks for the clarification. I have seen him wearing a kilt, but I thought it was in deference to the locals, or maybe a special Windsor tartan, as the ruling monarch.

  74. Knows quite a lot – understands very little… Educated way beyond the limits of his intelligence! Trained to lead but apparently born to follow…

    Probably the best advert for a republic since George III…

  75. Glenn Rowe (22:25:08) :
    “…The only argument I’ve heard here in Britain for retaining the royals is that they generate more tourist income than they cost the UK taxpayer, but I don’t believe that.”

    You are correct to question this oft-repeated “fact”. A few years ago it was calculated that France benefits more from what you might call “Royal” tourism than Britain, and the French executed their last king in 1793.

    As for this unfortunate outburst from Charles, it is all part of a co-ordinated fightback by the global warming people to get their agenda moving again after the Copenhagen train wreck and the UAE debacle.

  76. I agree with the poster who said lay off the ad hom attacks on Charles. Many display ignorance of the facts. First of all, Charles does not get ANY public money. The Prince’s Trust does huge amounts of work that benefits our society. Blaming a man for his parentage is wrong. Attack his silly, misguided attempts to do the right thing re: AGW, by all means. But he is not profiting from this, and the comments slagging him off do us no credit.

  77. For those on t’other side of the pond who may only know Hugh Laurie from House, here he is given a rather remarkably accurate portrayal of British Royalty, enjoy:

    Cheers

    Mark

  78. (Try again with a normal link, not sure if embedding works…)

    For those on t’other side of the pond who may only know Hugh Laurie from House, here he is given a rather remarkably accurate portrayal of British Royalty, enjoy:

    Cheers

    Mark

  79. He’s a ‘monstrous carbuncle on the face of the planet’, or something, to prat-quote him…

  80. The trouble with thinking you are right is that it stops you from checking to see if you are wrong.

  81. Mike borgelt (21:57:22) :

    Fellow Aussies, if we are to remain a monarchy couldn’t we ask the Danes to let us have Fred and Maz as King and Queen of Australia

    As a Dane I can assure you that our Crownprince Frederik isnt much smarter than Charles!
    I often wonder why a civilized place like Australia hasnt been made a republic long time ago.

  82. May I suggest that we refrain from personalising the discussion on global warming, at least where The Prince Charles is concerned, and stick to the scientific argument to support our case, That way we will be taken more seriously in our endeavous to prove the climate change lobby wrong. Prince Charles is, after all, putting forward a personal view point which we can all challenge. It is the ‘scientists’ and their promoters who are found out that need our ridicule for their disgraceful manipulation of the facts to enhance their own reputations and financial gain.

  83. The main difference between the Queen and Prince Charles is that she finds it wise, or considers it her duty, not to express her views on policy issues in public. It is difficult to kinow what she thinks (if anything) about global warming and most other such matters. Charles has “progressed” from expressing strong views on relatively harmless subjects such as London architecture and organic food to his recent extreme warmist views. If the global warming alarmism fades away quietly and nobody remembers it anymore by the time the Queen dies, then maybe nobody will care much if Charles becomes king. But it may also be that his present positions will come to haunt him. I think he’s being extraordinarily foolish. He knows very well that a king seen as unsuited to the throine by the public and the political establishment can force a king to abdicate, like his grand-uncle Edward VIII aka the Duke of Windsor. Either he’s decided that he doesn’t care much about being king in his old age anyway and would rather speak openly about what he believes in (which is silly since the only reason anyone pays any attention to him is because he’s expected to ascent the throne) or he does not even realize the possible consequences of his present actions – in which case he’s just hopelessly stupid.

  84. What a royal inbred fart. One can only hope that his offspring got a good refreshing chunk of the better end of the genepool.

    is there a “subliminal connection” here between “Pachy the Train Engineer that couldn’t” and “Chuck in his Choo-Choo?”

  85. Care should be taken about wanting to remove the monarchy, the alternative
    as head of state would then fall to a politician and we all know what they are like

  86. “I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it. ”

    Voltaire

  87. As if to illustrate my earlier point about the global warming propaganda fightback, this has appeared today in The Express:

    NO ONE BELIEVES US, ADMIT GLOBAL WARMING SCIENTISTS

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/156355/No-one-believes-us-admit-global-warming-scientists

    Britons are not convinced mankind has caused global warming

    February 5, 2010

    The British public are not convinced that mankind has caused global warming, three leading climate scientists admitted yesterday. In the wake of the scandal at the University of East Anglia, they conceded there were “uncertainties” about the science, but said the evidence was still overwhelming.

    Last year, leaked emails from the university’s climate research unit appeared to show that scientists had changed statistics to strengthen their case. But yesterday Professors Julia Slingo, Brian Hoskins and Alan Thorpe spoke out after weeks of controversy concerning the accuracy of the evidence.

    Professor Slingo, chief scientist at the Met Office, said: “We have a real issue about communicating science in a clear way which the public can understand and we haven’t done that very well.” She said the impact on temperature of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, or CO2, had been known about since the 19th century. The link was “straightforward fundamental physics”, she said, while other data – from rises in sea level to retreating glaciers – also showed the climate was changing.

    Professor Thorpe, head of the Natural Environment Research Council, said that in the wake of the recent controversy there was a need for researchers to engage more openly with the public. He added: “We have to have discussions with everybody, with the public, whether they call themselves sceptics or not.” He said he would like to see sceptics using properly reviewed scientific studies to back their views rather than “hearsay and assumptions. It’s not a matter of belief, it’s about the evidence,” Prof Thorpe said.

    Prof Hoskins, of the Grantham Institute of Climate Change at Imperial College London and a member of the Government’s Committee on Climate Change, acknowledged there had been mistakes in the committee’s report, but said it did not undermine the case for global warming. “There’s an audience out there that says: ‘I hope this isn’t the case’ and is eager to hear it’s not,” he said. And he insisted: “This isn’t a question of belief. This is fact – and there’s emerging evidence it is increasing.”

    ***************************************************************************

    Who are these global warming people?

    Professor Slingo is currently Professor of Meteorology at the University of Reading and Director of Climate Research, at the National Centre for Atmospheric Science. Julia was a founding director of the Walker Institute, and has previously been a member of the NERC Atmospheric Science and Technology Board and a contributor to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/

    Members of the media can email: pressoffice@metoffice.gov.uk or call +44 (0)1392 886 655*.
    The team can be contacted via the main press office phone number or by their own email addresses. All members of the team can talk on weather and climate issues, but they also lead on particular subjects.

    * We will only respond to emails from journalists.
    * We will not respond to abusive contacts.

    ——————————————————————-

    Professor Alan Thorpe

    http://www.nerc.ac.uk/

    Feeback Form http://www.nerc.ac.uk/site/feedback/form.aspx
    Natural Environment Research Council, Polaris House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, SN2 1EU, UK
    Tel: 01793 411500
    note: considerable efforts have been made to avoid the use of email by the public in this taxpayer-funded institute.
    Alan Thorpe graduated from the University of Warwick with a physics degree in 1973 and from Imperial College with a doctorate in atmospheric physics in 1976. He was a postdoctoral researcher at Imperial College for five years and after a short interval at the Met Office took up a lectureship in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Reading in 1982. He became a professor of meteorology in 1991 and head of department in 1996.

    His research involves the basic dynamics and predictability of weather and climate. From 1999 to 2001, Alan was Director of the Met Office’s Hadley Centre for climate prediction and research. In 2001 he became the first director of the newly-established NERC Centres for Atmospheric Science, which is a distributed NERC Collaborative Centre involving over 15 universities. He became Chief Executive of NERC in April 2005.

    He has been Vice-President of the Royal Meteorological Society and was awarded their L F Richardson Prize (1979) and Buchan Prize (1992) for his research. He was a founding co-chair of the World Meteorological Organisation’s research programme “THORPEX: A World Weather Research Programme”. He is an assessor on the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs’s (Defra) Science Advisory Council and a member of a number of national and international science committees. Professor Thorpe is visiting professor at the University of Reading.

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    Prof Hoskins, of the Grantham Institute of Climate Change

    http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/climatechange

    Imperial College London, Grantham Institute for Climate Change, South Kensington Campus, London SW7 2AZ
    Gosia Gayer: +44 (0)20 7594 9666
    Philippa Rogers: +44 (0)20 7594 8628
    contact form http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/climatechange/contactus
    b.hoskins@imperial.ac.uk
    Professor Sir Brian Hoskins is a Royal Society Research Professor and member of the new Committee on Climate Change. He shares his time between the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at Imperial College and Reading University, where he is Professor of Meteorology and was a head of department for six years. Sir Brian is recognised as one of the world’s leading weather and climate scientists.

    Sir Brian gained a first in Mathematics and a PhD in Mathematics from the University of Cambridge in 1966 and 1970 respectively. After completing his PhD he became a Post Doctoral Fellow at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in the USA, and then a visiting scientist at the University of Princeton before moving to the University of Reading in 1971.

    Sir Brian’s international roles have included serving as vice-chair of the Joint Scientific Committee for the World Climate Research Programme and President of the International Association of Meteorology and Atmospheric Sciences. He has also had numerous UK roles, including playing a major part in the 2000 Report by The Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution that first proposed a 60% target for UK carbon dioxide emission reduction by 2050. He is a member of the science academies of the UK, USA, China and Europe and has received a number of awards including the top prizes of the UK and US Meteorological Societies. He was knighted in 2007 for his services to the environment.

    Supervisor projects: Extreme Weather Patterns and Risk Management Implications http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/portal/page/portallive/6D7A3E0DCA194339E0440003BACD17D6

  88. Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?

    Does that prove the CO2 was responsible? Of course not. This sixties kid will never be king. His son, William, is at least popular and not a flake like his dad. Long live the Queen (or at least until Charles is too old to inherit).

  89. The guy has spent too long Meeting Important People and has never learned to weigh evidence in any meaningful way. I’d vote for a republic any day. Meanwhile, the backing of Charlie Boy tends to work in the sceptics’ favour as everybody in the UK knows he is a fruitloop.

    Don’t I remember him having his limo air-freighted around the world for state visits? And don’t forget he talks to plants, believes in homeopathy, abused his first wife, criticises modern architecture, and has somebody to squeeze the toothpaste on to his toothbrush for him.

  90. oh, and he thinks nanotechnology is going to reduce the world to a “grey goo”. Google it if you want a reference.

  91. Regarding sea level, here is the latest error in IPCC AR4:

    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch12s12-2-3.html

    States “The Netherlands is an example of a country highly susceptible to both sea-level rise and river flooding because 55% of its territory is below sea level where 60% of its population lives and 65% of its Gross National Product (GNP) is produced.”

    The real figure for Netherlands territory below sea level is 26%, so AR4 has it more than double. AR4 is looking like a joke a minute!

  92. Proof you can be both a prince, and an idiot, by birth.

    Ummmm …. The Train Thingy??

    I was thinking about the horse he rode in on…..

  93. I am dismayed that one who seems so obviously to have betrayed the trust of his first wife lectures us on honesty.
    My view of life is if your wife can not trust you who can?

  94. Don’t knock Prince Charles. He’s been well ahead of his time on a lot of things. And he’s not the only one completely taken in by the Global Warming bandwagon: Mr Obama and Mr Brown are only two out of many who are equally fervent about the revealed truth of global warming. Finally, Prince Charles is a fan of the Goon Show (a radio programme back in the 50s and 60s). And I hereby assert that no-one who liked the Goon Show can be all bad.

  95. Some of you may missed this UK pro-sceptic piece from another Spectator blogger:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5745566/by-the-waters-of-denial-they-sit-and-weep.thtml

    “Miliband resembles one of those people who are discovered living in the jungle decades after the end of a war without realising it is all over. Someone should sit him down with a nice strong cup of hot sweet Fairtrade tea and a blanket over his shoulders, and embark him without delay upon a course of post-traumatic stress counselling. An awful lot of reputations are about to be reduced to, um, carbon – his included.”

  96. … And anyway, we like our Royalty (as long as they have no real power). Would you rather have Gordon Brown as Head of State??? Or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow lickspittle politician? Charles will ascend to the throne when his mother (long may she reign) leaves this mortal coil. And when he’s King Charles III, he’ll no longer opine on things. It’ll be Prince William who’ll be doing that.

  97. Well, all the British (German) royal families changed their names during the “Great war to end all wars”. For instance, Battenberg, changed to Mountbatten. The “Windsors”, and the current “queen”, are not English. Either French or German descent.

  98. @Rebivore (03:35:43) :

    “… And anyway, we like our Royalty (as long as they have no real power).”

    Speak for yourself Rebi.

    “Would you rather have Gordon Brown as Head of State??? Or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow lickspittle politician?”

    That’s *exactly the position we are in in the UK today, with the here-today-gone-tomorrow one being Blair, who governed as a president without any effective opposition or the checks and balances that a republican constitution provides against tyranny. And Brown behaves in the same autocratic way. This has happened precisely because the supposed head of state is a cipher.

  99. Hi, folks.

    Just recently, on another thread, I replied to another poster that Prince Charles was advised by one Jonathon Porrit. Google this man to find out where HRH’s ideas come from.

  100. “DaveF (04:01:38) :

    Hi, folks.

    Just recently, on another thread, I replied to another poster that Prince Charles was advised by one Jonathon Porrit. Google this man to find out where HRH’s ideas come from.”

    As well as “potted” plants?

  101. For those who mock the Briish monarchy and refer to the superiority of the US alternative, I would point out that in 2000 Al Gore, but for the grace… just failed to ascend the throne of the United States. The Queen/King has no real power, they must be consulted, that is all. The polititians can then go ahead and do whatever they want. The President, on the other hand, can start a war, if he wishes.
    I am not suggesting that if one was starting from scratch today, that you would select the British model, bur I would defy anyone to implicate the Royal family in the descent of the UK from being a world power to the proto-third world sh*thole that it is today. For that, you would need to look at the polititians.
    Charles is a weak, sad and vain little man but he is only the heir to the throne, as in a sense am I and every other subject, for we are all probably related. As such he is a private individual and is entitled spout whatever codswallop he wants. And we, can form whatever opinion of him we like. That is the root of his foolishnes.
    If Charles becomes King however, if he wants to keep the job, he will need to keep his thoughts to himself. As Head of State his utterances become the official word of the nation. It is the same for all nations, US included. Charles’ great uncle, Edward VIII, the previous Prince of Wales didn’t toe the line and was booted out. Nobody missed him because there was an almost infinate number of possible replacements. That is how our system works.
    It has been said that: “It is better to remain silent and be thought foolish than to open your mouth and remove all possible doubt.”
    I hope one of Charles’ advisors chisels the above into his noble if sloping brow.

  102. I wouldn’t be so harsh with Charles.
    He’s in principle a conservationist and a traditionalist, so he’s all for natural food, classical architecture, preserving Nature etc. And, unfortunately, AGW in its “preserve our Mother Earth as it is” form struck a chord with him.

    And I totally agree with Prince’s take on the oh so “modern and proggressive” architectural fads from unstable materials and needing a constant maintenance, that deface the cities now.

  103. “EW (04:14:47) :

    I wouldn’t be so harsh with Charles.
    He’s in principle a conservationist and a traditionalist, so he’s all for natural food,”

    Sure! It was “his” elite that drew millions into war, in the past as well, I guess their family “cock” was bigger, eh? God and all that!

    He is a total idiot, shame he is on the “civil list”, as I recall, Dianna “received” 90,000 pounds per year, for what? Being a “Royal” or popular? Who cares!

  104. Strange that Charles has some support from your contributors. I had previously assumed that it was a good general rule to adopt the contrarian position to all of his public beliefs.

    I had some time for his Grandmother, who went through life enjoying herself largely without saying anything noteworthy. A good rule for him to follow.

  105. ‘ and that’s a fact.’
    Wrong.
    ‘…evidence that long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is overwhelming.’
    Wrong.
    Like the train, though….

  106. @EW

    So you and Charles want to get away from modern materials which require constant maintenance … what do you want to go back to – Portland stone? It looks terrific, but for me it spends too much time under tarpaulins being abraded back to its original colour. When it isn’t being abraded to improve its colour it is being surface treated to avoid micro cracking to prevent spalling. Oh yeah, Charles has a great understanding of architecture.

  107. interesting the images, santa catarina is my state in brazil! :)

    Is that site, (www.globalwarmingart.com) reliable, from a quick look at it, seems a warmist propaganda tool.

  108. John Diffenthal,

    do you think that the concrete housing blocks age better? Let’s see them after some, oh, 300 years…

  109. Luboš Motl (01:53:01) :

    Well, it’s not too surprising that Prince Charles wants to terminate the Enlightenment.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7013764.ece

    Frankly, after reading what he actually said, I have to side with Charles.

    From the author, emphasis added:

    Long regarded as the foundation of contemporary political and intellectual culture, by way of influences ranging from the American Declaration of Independence to the scientific method as embraced from Isaac Newton on, the Enlightenment was based on the belief that all society’s ills could be vanquished by the application of reason.

    Since we humans are involved, and we tend to be illogical unreasonable creatures, it is patently obvious that reason alone will never suffice. Not all components behave in a logical manner, thus logic alone cannot control all the components.

    “We cannot go on like this, just imagining that the principles of the Enlightenment still apply now. I don’t believe they do. But if you challenge people who hold the Enlightenment as the ultimate answer to everything, you do really upset them.”

    Way back at the start, it looked like Science would have all the answers. Everything could be explained by equations and deduced from logic. Instead, we keep finding further complexity, and chaotic systems whose behavior cannot be absolutely predicted. “Science” is not a direct path to the goal of knowing everything. Instead it is a meandering walk through endless woods, where one may stop briefly to carefully examine something before moving on and finding something else.

    Instead, the Prince advocated a holistic approach to the world’s problems — including housing, healthcare and agriculture — that involved local initiatives rather than globalisation, and worked in harmony with nature rather than against it.

    “I believe it is of crucial importance to work with, in harmony with nature, to rediscover how it is necessary to work with the grain of nature, as it is necessary to work with the grain of our humanity,” he said. “What is the point of all this clever technology if at the end of the day we lose our souls, and the soul of nature of which we are a part?”

    The problems with “solutions” formulated at the top and universally implemented locally are known. One size does not fit all. You have to know the local conditions to best fix problems that are manifested at the local level. Example, you have problems in an agricultural area with drought and soil erosion. Does top management whip out the Big Scientific Manual that says this is what causes it, and immediately start working down the list of Things That Will Fix IT? No! They send people out to examine the local conditions, then formulate the local solutions.

    And how about healthcare? Someone goes to the doctor, mentions they’ve been feeling depressed. Doctor says Science says that’s a neuro-chemical imbalance, take this drug, problem’s solved. Reason has been applied, all perfectly Scientific. What’s wrong with that? Plenty. Where does the person fit in? A human with a problem is not a malfunctioning machine. The “old-fashioned country doctors” knew better. It is better to know about the whole person, what is going on in their lives, their diet and exercise and whatever stresses they are under. In simple terms, a holistic approach works best.

    Science should not be a goal until itself. Science is a tool that serves us, we do not serve Science. The goal of the Enlightenment was to reduce everything to reason, so reason may fix everything. But this is impossible, for we are human. The Enlightenment has failed. Charles is right.

    Although I will disagree on building our houses so birds can nest on them. While it might be different in more crowded areas, here there is normally enough space for a separate bird house. And I’d rather put up a nice bat house, I will willingly trade singing birds while I’m trying to sleep for less mosquitoes and other annoying insects.

  110. Charles would so fail a course on eighteenth-century history and culture. Here’s the heart of his critique of the Enlightenment:

    “I believe it is of crucial importance to work with, in harmony with nature, to rediscover how it is necessary to work with the grain of nature, as it is necessary to work with the grain of our humanity. . .”

    May the ghost of Jean-Jacques Rousseau swat him upside his tabula rasa.

    I like his train though. Isn’t that one of the Big Engines from Thomas the Tank Engine? I wonder if he lets Pachuri drive it? [insert ribald Freudian references here]

  111. Kate:

    As for this unfortunate outburst from Charles, it is all part of a co-ordinated fightback by the global warming people to get their agenda moving again after the Copenhagen train wreck and the UAE debacle.

    Yep.

    I wish the engineer on that locomotive had been Choo Choo, just to add to the absurdity of it all.

  112. John Diffenthal (04:44:30) :

    @EW

    So you and Charles want to get away from modern materials which require constant maintenance … what do you want to go back to – Portland stone? It looks terrific, but for me it spends too much time under tarpaulins being abraded back to its original colour. When it isn’t being abraded to improve its colour it is being surface treated to avoid micro cracking to prevent spalling.

    There’s a wonderful surface treatment coming that may eliminate the need for such maintenance. This suggests that progress may come to the rescue in other fields. (E.g., safe etc. nuclear power as a way to cut down on CO2 and cheap power for desalinization, alleviating the water-shortage problem.)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7125556/Liquid-glass-the-spray-on-scientific-revelation.html

    Liquid glass: the spray-on scientific revelation
    Liquid glass, a revolutionary invisible non-toxic spray that protects against everything from bacteria to UV radiation, could soon be used on a vast range of products.

    By Nick Collins
    Published: 9:41AM GMT 01 Feb 2010

    The spray, which is harmless to the environment, can be used to protect against disease, guard vineyards against fungal threats and coat the nose cones of high-speed trains, it has been claimed.

    The versatile spray, which forms an easy-clean coating one millionth of a millimetre thick – 500 times thinner than a human hair – can be applied to virtually any surface to protect it against water, dirt, bacteria, heat and UV radiation.

    It is hoped that liquid glass, a compound of almost pure silicon dioxide, could soon replace a variety of cleaning products which are harmful to the environment, leaving our world coated in an invisible, wipe-clean sheen.

    The spray forms a water-resistant layer, meaning it can be cleaned using only water. Trials by food-processing companies showed that sterile surfaces covered with a film of liquid glass were equally clean after a rinse with hot water as after their usual treatment with strong bleach.

    The patent for the technology is owned by a German company, Nanopool, which is in discussions with UK companies and the NHS about the use of liquid glass for a wide range of purposes.

    Several organisations are said to be testing the product, including a train company in Britain, which is using liquid glass on both the interior and exterior of the train, a luxury hotel chain, a designer clothing company and a German branch of a hamburger chain.

    Key to the product’s versatility is the fact it can be sold in a solution of either alcohol or water, depending on what surface needs to be coated. The layer formed by the liquid glass is said to be flexible and breathable.

    Neil McClelland, Nanopool’s UK project manager, told The Independent: “Very soon almost every product you purchase will be protected with a highly durable, easy-to-clean coating … the concept of spray-on glass is mind-boggling.”

  113. he he
    I am not a royal family fan,but I am amused by people who think that Prince Charles or the queen is dumb for believing what so called intelligent scientists tell them.I believe there is only one political leader who has called the scientists out.I don’t have much time for Charles,but he is probably a true believer,and he does a lot of good for charity,the ones I condemn are the ones who know that AGW is not a certainty,but are willing to promote the lie in their own interests.Mann and Jones are not dumb,they are shrewd,dirty rotten scoundrels.Australia becomes a republic,and replaces one branch of AGW believers(who do not interfere with the Australian way of life),to replace them with a AGW believer who will interfere in any way he or she can.No thanks.

  114. PS: Bertrand Russell once wrote (regretfully?) that the days are past when his family and a dozen others were able to tell the king to get lost.

  115. I would point out that Prince Charles was a fast jet pilot, as was the previous US president, Shrub was his name I believe?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales

    A leader of the free world, also given to failing to engage his brain before opening his mouth.

    Charles, may be a nutter, but he’s our nutter. Back off you colonialists or, or, or,

    we”ll tell our mummies.

  116. God forbid that we had Cherie Blair as the Presidents wife, or Gordon Brown as President.

    At present, Prince Charles is a private individual who costs the taxpayers nothing, and through his charities does some very good work for the underprivileged. Like all individuals, he has some views that not all of us agree with. Likewise he did not choose to be born into his position, neither did he get to choose his intellect. I happen to prefer the monarchy to the thought of one of our modern venal politicians being head of state. It is purely a symbolic institution, but does provide some checks and balances within the system. The institution of the monarchy, not the individuals, are an important part of our system, like it or not. I happen to like it, in preference to the alternatives.

    Yes, he may be a fool, but then so is G. Brown and many others. But Anthony, you do not do yourself any favours with a large part of the British public with an ad hominem attack on Prince Charles. Foolish and badly advised he may be, but he has little or no influence on Government policy.

  117. Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :

    However, the queen ain’t no genius either. I am decidedly unimpressed with Briton’s loyalty. From the queen right on down to the queen’s 3rd cousin once removed. For all that loyal education, ya think ya’ll could come up with a “smarter” be-jeweled majesty. Or at least the offspring.

    But, who am I to talk. I voted for Obummer.

    Well Pam if it is any solace herr McCain is also an AGW idiot so you did not have much of a choice. Hopefully McCain is about to get his comeuppance as will the community organizer a couple of years later. Hopefully, the damage can be limited.

    And Chuckie, is it just me or is he a known idiot?
    Maybe Cromwell was right.

  118. Just like Obama. Obama is a carbon nightmare and also just like Biden except for the hair plugs. Obama has a teleprompter so the wordsmiths let out less innane leaks. Charlie could afford a teleprompter and a speech writer.

  119. Charles is a “useful fool”. His environmental adviser is Jonathan Porritt, Founder Director of Forum for the Future:

    http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/founder-directors

    Charles hosted a reception last year for “Nobel Prize Winners and Climate experts” The sycophantic reporter is the brilliantly named Daniel Gorelick, (I kid you not).

    Steven Chu in the U.K., discussing climate change, http://tiny.cc/4Nvxp.

    Nobel Laureates from across scientific disciplines were joined by world experts in climate change to discuss “the connections between global warming and other urgent environmental, economic and development challenges facing our world.” The symposium was hosted at The Royal Society and St. James’s Palace in London, under the patronage of the Prince of Wales.

    Charles’ father helped to start WWF http://tiny.cc/ZxZ2v. The Duke was the first President of WWF-UK from its foundation in 1961 to 1982, and President of WWF-International from 1981 to 1996. He is now President Emeritus for WWF.

    A search for “Prince Philip WWF” produces some less than complimetary references. He is elsewhere quoted as saying “If I were re-incarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund.

  120. rbateman (21:51:49) :
    Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :

    “A lot of folks voted for Obama, that was before he decided to run over our Carbon Footprints with his Obummer Hummer.”

    Between prince c, bush and oh bama my toes is hurtin! Why can’t clones beehave???

  121. Patrick Davis 04:01:38:

    ‘As well as “potted” plants?’

    I knew he talked to the plants – I didn’t know they talked back! My plants don’t take much notice of me. I shout “Die, you b——- at the weeds over and over, but it has no effect.

  122. Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change….’

    It sound to me like this is the same old tired argument that has been heard many times before…. ‘Even if we are wrong about the future temperature rise, it is better to be proactive about it just in case and thus be safe rather than sorry’. Here’s my stock answer that I’ve offered to others with that view…. You might be young and healthy right now but based on statistics alone, there is a very good chance you will get cancer in the future. Why not start the chemotherapy now?

  123. I don’t think that anyone has yet mentioned that the steam locomotive hauling the prince’s train is an A1 Peppercorn Pacific named Tornado built from scratch from the original drawings by a team of enthusiasts and engineers. It took them nineteen years to do it starting in 1990 and is a fantastic achievement considering that prior to this the last steam locomotive to be built in the UK was the Evening Star in the early 1960s.

    Charles may well have been honouring the endeavours of the builders by having his train hauled by their loco evening if there was a class 67 diesel locomotive at the rear of the train ‘just in case’.

  124. @ MartinGAtkins The Hanovers have had a non-stop string of them since George 1. About the only thing that can be said is that they were slightly smarter than the Stuarts.

    Yeah sure Pwince (Up)Chuck the serial adulterer, I will listen to your sage words. I think his attitude would be a tad different if he had to work for a living.

  125. Was the train driven by one Rajendra Pachauri?

    And is Prince Charles quickly becoming King Canute? :D

  126. I suspect that HRH is an avid reader (in private) of Pachauri’s novels. What a buffoon. How dare a man with only a couple of brain cells challenge the Enlightenment? I earn my living, I slaved for all my degrees, including my PhD. What have you ever done?

    Try and understand the Enlightenment, you ninny, and then try and do some thinking if you can.

    Still, the rogues gallery gets better and better: Prince Charles, Al Gore, Rajendra Pachauri, Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Osama Bin Laden are in agreement. With friends like these….

    On a far more interesting subject, Richard North today introduced us to this wonderful acronym: DFWN

  127. His father´s words
    “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
    - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

    “If the world pollution situation is not critical at the moment, it is as certain as anything can be that the situation will become increasingly intolerable within a very short time. The situation can be controlled, and even reversed; but it demands cooperation on a scale and intensity beyond anything achieved so far.“ – The Fairfield Osborne Lecture by HRH Prince Philip

  128. Ken Harvey (00:12:12) :

    Don’t mock the man, a simpleton who has been taken in by able fraudsters. I know far too many people better blessed with intellect than he, who have been taken in, hook line and sinker, by the same fraudulent theorists.

    Blinded by science.

  129. Prince Charles is no less barmy than others elitists and their envious detractors. Following the AGW war is better than world wrestling – the ascended condescend to the common. The common spitoons upon the ascended. One side demands obedient worker bees, the bees rail against the power elite.

    From a distance its “Bedtime for Bonzo” – elites scamper after the monkey, the monkey climbs to higher ground and colossal food fight ensues. A virtual comedy of galactic proportion! And the ratings are terrific.

  130. Are these fools and the self-indulging UN bureaucrats who are going to rule upon us, after their global governance goal is achieved? Come on!

  131. We American’s have our share of idiotic political elitists. But unlike the poor Brits, we can dump them after four years. I feel your pain.

  132. I was a “wet” sceptic, until I saw his presentation in Manchester on the TV news last night. Now I am totally convinced that AGW is a hoax (fraud?). Charlie’s comments will, I’m glad to report, drive the waverers/don’t knowers into seeing that this is bad science. Let’s face it, with Gore (fail US polititian), Prescot (failed UK polititian) and Charlie (failed at everything royalty) on thier side, the AGW brigade don’t stand a chance!!

  133. I think all of the smarts have been bred out of his side of the family.

    If it were not for Diana, his sons would not have the smarts they do.

    But it is true….Prince Charles is the royal village idiot.

    “Umm….Charles about that train thingy you arrived on.” Hahaha that was such a funny quote!

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  134. I thought all the Neanderthal flat earthers were right wing sceptics!
    Wing nut Charles must have got mixed up somehow.

  135. “I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change.” Charles, Prince of Whales
    ————-
    So, we have a revolver pointed at our head; we have our finger on the trigger. Interesting dilemma. We know we have a trillion chambers in the revolver, and only one bullet. If we pull the trigger and fire the round, well…

    However, if we fail to pull the trigger, our legs are cut off, and we run the risk of bleeding to death.

    I think I’ll pull the trigger.

  136. Charles is just one poor player in this charade. Watching these two factions – ascended elite and their nemesis worker bees, is better than the WWF. Each decries the possession of the other – elites stubbornly defending their stony spoils and the busy bees, engorged with envy, demanding spoilage themselves.

    AGW wars are proving to be a better draw than gladiators and lions. Galactic buffoonery at the heart of creation. Makes mortals look positively good.

  137. Julian Flood:

    Thanks for your spirited defense of the monarchy and Prince Charles and his architecture. I am sympathetic to what he says about the latter, being confined in an office with plate glass windows that do not open, condemned to breath in recycled air, the building-intake of which is a favourite haunt of smokers. He’s an easy target for his political and environmental views – like shooting goldfish in a bowl.

    Alexej Buergin (01:35:57) :

    “I would love to see a scientific debate about AGW between the Prince of Wales and Lord Monckton. But, as always, the warmer will welsh on participation. Talk about nomen est omen.”

    I hate to play the ‘offense game” but due to my Welsh background I hate to see that use of the word.

  138. He said that in Manchester. Dr Guillotin was born in Manchester.
    Karl Jung (and Sting) would call that “Synchronicity”.
    I call it “Hilarious”.

  139. Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.

  140. richardb (07:15:09) :

    “Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising.”

    Sea level rise has moderated, and is well below its trend line: click

    So much for your speculation that CO2 causes the sea level to rise faster than normal.

  141. richardb (07:15:09) :

    Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.

    Chris H
    or maybe not, is this your first visit here?

  142. “richardb (07:15:09) :

    Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.”

    The correlation of CO2 and “rising sea levels” only existed in the first place because they used tide gauges in a subsiding area – Hong Kong – at the IPCC. They (the IPCC’s post-normal scientists) made sure that their measurement is sufficiently broken from the start. Post-normal science uses post-normal evidence: Make sure that you measure in the wrong place, use a freak tree, use a tide gauge in a river delta arera, make sure you find freak samples you can fabricate the desired outcome from. The measurements are only an alibi. Once post-normal science has enough freak samples, it can apply slightly broken statistics until the desired output is fabricated, let it peer review by post-normal scientist buddies, publish, get more funding, produce more post-normal science.

  143. richardb: yes, it could. Also, 38% more people have mobile phones now. So mobile phones must be the cause of GW. How many times does one have to repeat the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy in reasoning? There is no evidence that CO2 is the cause, and this is no evidence. However, if you, like HRH, wish to dispense with the Enlightenment, and presumably also the Scientific Revolution, lets dispense with reason, evidence, Popper, everything. Lets just go with our gut feelings, and damn the data, and suppress any data that does not support what we know in our gut to be true.

  144. Long ago I was informed by a member of the Eton College staff that Charles went to Gordonstoun because his intellectual capacities were well below those required to gain a place at Eton. I do not know if this is true, but everything he has said and done since the age of thirteen would seem to bear this out.
    However there is no need to worry. As pointed out by other bloggers, should he become King he will have to keep his idiotic opinions to himself.

  145. The ‘House of Windsor’ show is the worlds most expensive and longest running pantomime. Don’t knock it. Millions flock to London to see it bringing with it the accompanying economic boost. The queen served a purpose in WWII and is a voice of the little people but Charles and probably the rest of them are bit players in the pantomime. Long live the house of Windsor. Maybe Lady Di’s oldest son will succeed where his dad failed and actually think relevant thoughts. Charles talking to his plants is all you need to know about his science credentials. As he’s a bit of a weed perhaps he can hear them talking back but they probably say the same things we do!

  146. Roger Knights,

    yet another architectural digression.
    I’m not sure if the liquid glass would be the right thing for a stone protection. I can see that it may be very useful for making smooth surfaces smoother, but there was no mention of letting water vapors through.
    Anyway – here is an essay from the Prince Charles’ favorite architect on the subject of the modern vs. neoclassical:

    http://www.qftarchitects.com/essays/sevenmisunderstandings.php

    Sounds reasonably. I remember reading somewhere that the beautiful cupola of Pantheon in Rome would not survive almost 2000 years when built from reinforced concrete.

  147. “DirkH (07:35:38) :
    [...]
    post-normal scientist buddies, publish, get more funding, produce more post-normal science.”

    In other words, misappropriation of taxpayers funds, results are complete bunkum, yet used to inform the politicians who directed the funds the way of the scienctist impostors, leading to completely idiotic and inefficient decisions.

  148. May I repeat a very apt comment made by someone on English blog re HRH Charles ?
    ” How can you treat this man as sane,he killed the Princess and married the dragon “

  149. Was it charles or phil thr greek that said when they reincarnate they hoped they would become a deadly virus to reduce world population. H1N1 perhaps. But is that a promotion from parasite?

  150. Is there ever a point where a “do nothing right, ever” guy gets old enough and distiguished enough that people actually begin to listen to him? I understand that this is off topic and has nothing to do with this esteemed Statesman er Royalty type, er civic minded gentleman who has accomplished so much good with his service – but I thought the question needed asking…

    Almost like the Owner of the Lions football team, third generation Ford, I believe, will never be let to work in the car company – at all costs. But he’s fine to run a Football Enterprise, setting all kinds of performance records!

  151. http://www.fox.com/areyousmarter/features/

    Give him a break. Let him outshine a 5th grader on Teevee.

    Obama isn’t smarter than a 5th grader either. Pelosi? No way.

    Obama mentioned the 10,000 dead by reason of tornadoes in Greensburg Kansas. Town was around 1,200 people
    Actual dead as I recall weree aroun 11-12

  152. Steve J (20:52:45) :

    “Anthony,

    Great juxtaposition-

    The Prince saddled by dogma vs. the studies of 2500 years of variation in sea level.

    If he can live long enough he will see the level go down, at the next ice age if not before.”

    If we are all darn unlucky he WILL see the sea level drop and he WILL be praying for “Global Warming”. No wait he, Al Gore, and Maurice Strong will find some way to blame the rest of us for the “Catastrophic Mann-made Ice Age”. He is certainly a sterling example of why inbreeding should be avoided when breeding livestock and why if inbreeding is used to fix a trait rigorous culling is mandatory.

  153. Guys

    For the record, there is not too much Brit in Charles, he’s mostly German and Greek.

    Being born into a highly dysfunctional family and burdened with a limited intellect means ………………………………

  154. You almost killed us all of laughing!
    Mack (07:53:40) :
    May I repeat a very apt comment made by someone on English blog re HRH Charles ?
    ” How can you treat this man as sane,he killed the Princess and married the dragon “

    Just he got it the wrong way! ☺☺☺

  155. I’ve held that Charles idea of a perfect society would be the Castle on the hill
    with He and Camilla in the royal coach,as they ride by the fields of happy
    peasants toiling away,picking bugs off the plants,spreading the Castle’s
    nightsoil on the fields..
    Serf’s Up!…

  156. Follow the money, Carbon taxes must be the largest relatively new source of money for the royal family. This must be protected at all cost. Remember, Charles sponsored the infamous Catlin Expedition to prove AGW. They have suckered the British people into paying and just because it is a hoax doesn’t matter.

  157. u.k.(us) (07:56:06) :

    This is hilarious… I wonder if he downloaded a Torrent copy of each movie and burnt the DVDs himself?

    He should have given him “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” or ” Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs” or maybe just a bunch of Woody Allen movies.

    But I must admit that it was a sick selection of movies.

  158. Hey! Talking to plants is good science. I talk to some of mine to cheer them up. I’m not sure if they care about what I have to say, but they sure dig the CO2. ;-)

  159. Mark (20:18:32) :
    Here in Canada, I’d vote to get rid of the monarchy just to lose whacky Charlie!

    Well, I kind of like the monarchy, but I would vote to skip Charlie. I would like to go strait to his younger son. He actualy spent time in the military (maybe even earning one or two of the medals that royalty always wear), and was stationed at a British base in Canada for a while.

  160. Speaking of dumb and dumberer:

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/05/dutch-point-new-mistakes-climate-report/

    Updated February 05, 2010
    Dutch Point Out New Mistakes in U.N. Climate Report
    Specifically:
    According to an AFP story, IPCC experts calculated that 55 percent of the Netherlands was below sea level by adding the area below sea level — 26 percent — to the area threatened by river flooding — 29 percent — Vallaart said. “They should have been clearer,” Vallaart pointed out, adding that the Dutch office for environmental planning, an IPCC partner, had the exact figures.

    He noted that correcting the error had been “on the agenda several times” but had never actually happened. Vallaart told the AFP that he regretted the fact that proper procedure was not followed, adding that it should not be left to politicians to check the IPCC’s numbers.

    But the politicians are the Policy Makers, at the top of the IPCC Pyramid, and that is ‘ by design ‘. Those are the procedures at the IPCC, the top dawgs are the “Deciders”, and it is policy. You could feed that through till you are blue in the face, and the result isn’t going to change.

  161. Guys

    Not many people realise that there really is a serious side to having a constitutional monarch and that is this: the British monarch and his or representative has the power to dissolve parliament and call a new election.

    As far as I know, it only has happened once in recent times when Gough Whitlam was deposed for nearly turning Australia into a Banana Republic sometime in the mid 1970s. In the subsequent election, his Labour Party was booted out of office in a landslide.

    Britain, Canada and Australia can think themselves lucky they have an ultimate sanction against politicians’ stupidity and tyranny. Unfortunately for our American cousins, they gave up this privilege sometime in the 1770s.

    Jeff in Ctown (Canada) (09:03:49) :

    Mark (20:18:32) :
    Here in Canada, I’d vote to get rid of the monarchy just to lose whacky Charlie!

    Well, I kind of like the monarchy, but I would vote to skip Charlie. I would like to go strait to his younger son. He actualy spent time in the military (maybe even earning one or two of the medals that royalty always wear), and was stationed at a British base in Canada for a while.

  162. Charlie boy also spent time in the military – Royal Navy as I remember. His Dad was a Greek navy officer before he married his Princess.

  163. Oh my GOD !!!! 6 inches in 100 years, if this keeps up in 100 years sea levels will rise by 6in . Head for the hills!!! What ever happened to the British stiff upper lip? What has happened to the once great empire, land of my ancestors?

    If there ever was a reason to abolish the monarchy this guy is it, him and George III, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, ect.

    Long Live The Queen.

  164. Six inches? Six INCHES???

    The Prince better not go to the market and try to purchase bananas in those units.

  165. “Charles…. the king that never was.” HA HA.

    Al Gores says (I’ll puke if I hear it once more), “Hi my name is Al Gore, once the next president of the United States.”

    Chuck could use that line …

    Hellooo, pip pip, jolly good … My name is Charles, Prince of Wales, once the next King of England.

    He’s lookin’ more like that Norwegian Blue parrot every day. ☺☺

  166. Jeff in Ctown (Canada) (09:03:49) :

    That experience alone is reason for the boy to join the food fight. Just another monkey throwing apples at the high brow “elites.” Hee hee.

    Can’t make this stuff up!

  167. Perhaps the liberal press in the UK now see Climategate as a weapon against the throne.

    In the United States I believe it tends to be seen as a weapon against the President. I do hope his advisors have made him aware of John Costella’s clear analysis of the Climategate documents and their implications regarding the integrity of the science.

    Of course, true science is being lost in the noise of political considerations.

  168. EW (07:46:51) :

    I’m not sure if the liquid glass would be the right thing for a stone protection. I can see that it may be very useful for making smooth surfaces smoother, but there was no mention of letting water vapors through.

    Yes there was:

    The layer formed by the liquid glass is said to be flexible and breathable.

  169. ‘ vigilantfish (07:03:50) :
    Alexej Buergin (01:35:57) :
    “I would love to see a scientific debate about AGW between the Prince of Wales and Lord Monckton. But, as always, the warmer will welsh on participation. Talk about nomen est omen.”
    I hate to play the ‘offense game” but due to my Welsh background I hate to see that use of the word.?

    Sorry about that; I did not know the W-Word was an attempt by the English trying to offend your people.
    But I can feel your pain; my grandfather is regularly slandered here because of his profession (he was a railway engineer, really).

  170. Dutch to U.N.: We’re Not Under WaterIPCC’s beleaguered climate report hit again as Dutch point out factual inaccuracies about Netherlands
    • India to Create Independent Climate Panel
    • Blizzard Bears Down on Mid-Atlantic

    Why oh why does the Prince go on like he does?

  171. evanmjones (20:20:40) :

    “It’s warmed over the last 100 years.
    . . . . . .
    Man has made a “potentially irreversible impact”.
    . . . . . .
    Meanwhile, do we have a skeptic alive who does NOT believe this?”

    Yeah, and for good reason. It isn’t true.

  172. richardb (07:15:09) :

    Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.

    OR the end of the last Ice Age, the end of the Little Ice Age and the warming of the earth (and melting of glaciers) until we descend into another Ice Age (little or otherwise). There is a reason geologists generally do not believe in AGW see Lucy’s graphs: http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Images/ice-HS/noaa_gisp2_icecore_anim_adj.gif

    And there is a reason the CIA in 1974 was concerned about the ending of the Holocene. The Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is now about due according to several reports.

    “Sometime around now, scientists say, the Earth should be changing from a long interglacial period that has lasted the past 10,000 years and shifting back towards conditions that will ultimately lead to another ice age …” http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2009/aug/long-debate-ended-over-cause-demise-ice-ages-%E2%80%93-may-also-help-predict-future

    MILANKOVICH ANALOGUE DATA QUINN ET AL 1991: Graph http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/7/7e/Milankovitch_Variations.png

    The interglacial stages are shaded grey by the authors of the graph. Every interglacial lasts for no longer than a single half cycle in Solar Forcing (TSI), the yellow curve. The temperature goes into decline when insolation is in rapid decline.
    The earth according to these graphs is near that position now.

    How rapid can the decline in temperature be?
    “Evidence for abrupt climate change is readily apparent in ice cores taken from Greenland and Antarctica…. But, in addition, there is a strong chaotic variation of properties with a quasi-period of around 1500 years. We say chaotic because these millennial shifts look like anything but regular oscillations. Rather, they look like rapid, decade-long transitions between cold and warm climates followed by long interludes in one of the two states…. Researchers always tell you that more research funding is needed, and we are not any different. Our main message is not just that, however. It is that global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Last updated: September 3, 2009 http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10046

    Here is the most recent paper on Milankovitch cycles discussed here at WUWT http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/06/long-debate-ended-over-cause-demise-of-ice-ages-solar-and-earth-wobble/

    500 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

    See it is just as easy to show we are headed straight into another Ice Age. Control of the media is all that is necessary to get the east coast of the USA and the EU to believe it.

  173. How do you figure?
    ——
    Queen Elizabeth II owns 1/6 of the entire land surface on earth (nearly 3 times the size of the U.S.).
    ——
    Assuming she doesn’t own any of Russia, China, the US doesn’t leave much.

  174. Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :

    However, the queen ain’t no genius either. I am decidedly unimpressed with Briton’s loyalty. From the queen right on down to the queen’s 3rd cousin once removed. For all that loyal education, ya think ya’ll could come up with a “smarter” be-jeweled majesty. Or at least the offspring.

    Don’t be too smug, you Americans. You got heavily reimpregnated with aristocracy early in the 20th century. When the agrarian economy was falling apart, and the toffs were going broke in their hundreds, they did what they had always done – marry for the money. In this case they married rich Americans; only the respectable east coast banker types though, not those nasty industrialists with the dirty finger nails. (Fred Astaire’s sister, Adele, married a Cavendish, and went to live in Lismore Castle, Ireland.) So your wealthy class is full of Lords, Dukes, Marchionesses and all sorts of dross. Might explain some of the crazy people you have over there.

    Hope this doesn’t put you off your next meal.

  175. Peter Miller (08:26:15) :

    Guys

    Guys

    ‘For the record, there is not too much Brit in Charles; he’s mostly German and Greek.’

    Where do you get the Greek from?
    There is no Greek blood in the British Royal family. Mostly German, Elizabeth 11 was 50% British blood (via her mother). Phillip was of German, Danish and possibly Russian blood. He might have been born in Corfu as the son of Prince Andrew of Greece but as far as I can ascertain, there were no Greeks under the bed on the nuptial night.

    So that makes Charles about 75% German with a dash of Danish and 25% British.

    But as I said earlier the royals are of no matter. The real people to focus upon are the politicians who are stealing your money and destroying your economies for these ridiculous and pernicious carbon taxes.

  176. @ Spector (09:52:10) :
    “Perhaps the liberal press in the UK now see Climategate as a weapon against the throne.”

    I don’t really think so, I think it’s seen as a weapon against government in general – an institution with which we are thoroughly cheesed off in Britain at the moment. This week we’ve had announcements (more) about the way our honourable gentlemen and women in both Houses have been ripping us off, only having to pay small amounts back; next we get the details of which of them are going to be prosecuted (some of them had to be) and that’s only four, when there were many others who should have been busted too. In the background, regular folk who don’t know much about climate and take the standard line on it as gospel, get a few stories about the scandal but probably from the bbc, so not a lot really. Back to X-factor, anaesthetise.

    We’re the most spied upon nation on earth, God knows how many millions of cameras watch us every where we go. The government behaves like an old Soviet regime, regulating and taxing anything that moves (and pretty soon, that breathes) and imposing thousands of unnecessary laws that create criminals out of law-abiding people for piddling little things, when criminals are treated as objects of therapy not punishment. Civil liberties have been tossed aside, liberties that once were worth fighting and killing a king for. And on, and on.

    But nobody really cares much about the Windsors. They’re there, they’ve always been there. They don’t run the country even though Phil the Greek and Citizen Charles might like to (so long as they could get someone to get them up in the morning and do their teeth for them). They do the dressing up and the handshaking and the knighting (very necessary), the medals etc etc. Some of us grumble about it, most don’t. Everybody knows Charlie is a bit dim and everybody compares him unfavourably to Her Maj (who keeps schtum, very wisely).

    No. What we’re sick of is the liars and thieves who tell us to do what they say, not what they do. I expect it will hardly come as a traumatic surprise to the nation that climate scientists have been fiddling and lying too, frequently to their own personal benefit. Authority? Integrity? We use two fingers, not the transatlantic single digit, as a signal of disdain, taunt, jeer, what have you. That sums up how most of us feel about this when patronising rich tossers tell us that we’re going to have to pay for their mistakes – yet again.

  177. Perhaps HRH would care to visit one of his mother’s domains, Tasmania, and see the high water mark carved in a small cliff on the “Island of the Dead”, in 1841. It is still there, just above sea level. A good link is “www/john-daly.com” which has an excellent photograph.

  178. Gail Combs (11:12:27) :
    Control of the media is all that is necessary to get the east coast of the USA and the EU to believe it.
    Fortunately the MSM is now the Blogosphere, and WUWT is most read science blog…then it follows…

  179. Peter Melia (11:56:05) :

    I used to believe some of the hype, until I came across John Daly’s excellent site about 10 years ago. I’ve not believed in AGW since. It’s still as timely a reference as ever, and an integral part of my “gold standard” against which I measure any new claim. Whatever the enviro-wackos come up with, you can probably find why they are wrong at that site.

  180. There are royal hobbies and there are Royal Hobbies. Chuckles would not be so flamboyent and plastic if the government didn’t want it that way.

    There are government hobbies and there are Government Hobbies. The government would not be so flameboyent and pathetic if the people didn’t want it that way.

    “You are what you eat.”

  181. Damn, that sea level sure is a funny thing, hey Charles, be a good chap and talk to the government of the Netherlands if you are using information from the IPPC.

    The Netherlands has asked the UN climate change panel to explain an inaccurate claim in a landmark 2007 report that more than half the country was below sea level, the Dutch government said Friday.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&show_article=1

  182. Being on the dole one would expect Bonnie Prince Charlie to have more time to delve into the science surrounding CO2-driven climate change. However, I believe hand-shaking, waving and sniffing out the cause du jour figured more highly in his education than any rigorous understanding of basic scientific principles. That no one has seen evidence of actual climate disaster in the 30 years of dire predictions appears to have flown straight over his head. Then again, what would you expect of anyone praising the CRU along the same post-Katrina lines as Bush and his “heck of a job, Brownie!” statement.

  183. @Marlene

    He couldn’t find his arse if you gave him a compass. He’s not he one we have to worry about, it’s the polticians.

  184. “The whole modern eco-movement is based on a serious of false premises derived from ignorance. Thank you Rachel Carson”

    Wrong – in fact the start of the eco-movement pre-dated Carson by several decades. It can be traced back to pre-war Germany and was very strongly associated with the rise of the Nazis: http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html

    The Green Party also had its rise in Germany – and Greens now hold office in the EU as well as the German Parliament.

    I’m not accusing Prince Charles of eco-facism – I’ve a lot of time for his ‘small is beautiful, local is best’ philosophy. He learned a lot of it from Laurens Van Der Post, champion of the Bushmen and the earliest strong influence on Charles. But he is now advised by the wrong people, Porritt included. I’m not sure whether Zac Goldsmith is also an advisort – I would imagine so; there many links between the families. All the Goldsmiths were well ahead of the Environmental fashion.

    I agree that ad hominem attacks on Charles sit very uncomfortably in this blog (esp by the non Brits on here who don’t seem to appreciate the point of a Constitutional Monarchy). The man means well, however misguided he is. Tragically his mother has signed away his right to protect our Parliamentary democracy; I wonder if he understands this? So his opinions don’t matter in the least – our Envirmonment policy is handed down more or less 100% by the EU in Brussels

    And if you want to use a belittling name, it’s ‘Charlie’ (not Chucky which doesn’t exist in the UK). ‘A right Charlie’ also happens to be slang for ‘a right idiot’, btw!

  185. kadaka (05:10:43) :

    Instead, the Prince advocated a holistic approach to the world’s problems — including housing, healthcare and agriculture — that involved local initiatives rather than globalisation, and worked in harmony with nature rather than against it.

    I used to hang around with these sort of people (I even know a guy (David Lorimer (haven’t seen him for years)) who wrote an adoring book about the Right Charlie). They talk a lot about a ‘holistic approach.’ But how can they have a holistic approach when they don’t understand 90+% of what they are talking about?

  186. The mere fact that there are so many (238 now) comments on this topic demonstrates the value of Prince Charles’s profile to any movement that he supports. This is a rather high response rate on this site. The quality of his comment is irrelevant. As the old saying goes ‘any publicity is good publicity’ and that is the way that the promoters of AGW would see it. Poor old Charlie boy is genuine but a manipulated dupe.

    He adds the voice of the ‘establishment’ to the ’cause’. That is all they want of the dear old chap.

    Of much greater concern to me is the loss of sovereignty of Britain to the unelected mandarins that dominate Europe at present. It is their agenda that is being ‘foisted’ onto Britain against the people’s will as far as I can ascertain.

  187. Dave D (08:10:39) :
    “Is there ever a point where a “do nothing right, ever” guy gets old enough and distiguished enough that people actually begin to listen to him?”

    Of course, that’s how we ended up with Joe Biden as VP.

  188. Dave D (08:10:39) :
    “Is there ever a point where a “do nothing right, ever” guy gets old enough and distiguished enough that people actually begin to listen to him?”

    No.

  189. Interesting family. His father (Prince Philip – founder of WWF) aspires to be a virus in his next life, and Prince Charles aspires to be a tampon.

  190. Allan M (13:48:37) :

    I used to hang around with these sort of people (I even know a guy (David Lorimer (haven’t seen him for years)) who wrote an adoring book about the Right Charlie). They talk a lot about a ‘holistic approach.’ But how can they have a holistic approach when they don’t understand 90+% of what they are talking about?

    Once you’ve adopted a holistic approach, which can be thought of as trying to understand the whole picture, the first step is asking “What all don’t I know?” If you are honest in the approach, not understanding tends to correct itself, as the individual pieces won’t fit together if you don’t know what they are and how they work.

    To put the term in context, this site is a testament to a holistic understanding of climate. The “other side” said “Ah-ha! It must be the CO2!” and devoted themselves to justifying that conclusion. Here, we can see how complex the issue is and are trying to work out the relationships of all the interconnected systems, accepting we don’t know everything about them and may not even know all the systems that exist. Besides, that’s what the pursuit of science is all about. First step is saying “I don’t know.” The next step, at least as critical, is saying “But I intend to find out.” Accept the ignorance, honestly work to correct the ignorance, and it ceases to be a problem. Even among those sort of people.

  191. Steve Goddard (14:43:33) :

    Interesting family. His father (Prince Philip – founder of WWF) aspires to be a virus in his next life, and Prince Charles aspires to be a tampon.

    *sigh*

    Mr. Goddard, that is not what Charles said nor meant, as I mentioned above.

    I assume you know what “RTFM” means. Somewhere in the blogosphere, is there something like RTFC (RTF comments)? ;)

    Reply: Acronyms including profanity count as profanity. ~ ctm

  192. And to see how all aspects of our lives in the UK are bound up with the AGW scam:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100025163/why-does-the-british-council-spend-money-on-climate-change-propaganda/

    ‘Nevertheless, taxpayers will be pleased to learn that the money is in good hands. Head of the programme is the famous Dr Viner, formerly of the East Anglian Climatic Research Unit. It was he who in 2001 was telling The Independent that within a few years winter snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event”.’

  193. To: Mods
    Re: kadaka (15:13:51) :

    Why are you snipping? “Read the (friendly) manual” is computing history. Why deny history?

  194. @ Leigh (20:48:16) :

    Unfortunately Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales, where I believe the sea level is rising. If he was the Prince of Scotland he might find that sea level is falling i.e. the land mass is still rising after removal of the ice sheet from the last ice age.

    Actually Leigh most of Wales was covered by ice during the last ice age. It is true that Britain seems to be tilting with the south east of England sinking and Scotland rising but I am not sure about the parts in between. (Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable about British geology than I am can enlighted us). Therefore I am not sure what the overall picture in Wales is but in at least some places the land is still rising.

    One of the latest articles in this blog is entitled “Israeli study shows variable sea level in past 2500 years”. Stacey (03:02:27) posted an interesting comment on that article pointing out that Harlech Castle in North Wales was constructed with a sea gate to make it easy to receive supplies by boat but now over 7 centuries later the sea level even at high tide is a long way below the gate.

    http://www.castlewales.com/harlech.html

    I have seen the case of Harlech Castle mentioned in other places in discussions about climate change and sea levels. Prince Charles will have seen the castle on some of his visits to North Wales but I wonder if anyone has ever drawn his attention to the sea gate and what it tells us about changes in sea level?

  195. And this is the future of cap-and-trade:

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/156332/Hackers-used-spoof-EU-website

    What is most worrying about this story, is not the totally predictable hacking, but the question of why the EU has carbon credits to trade in the first place. Surely if we are going to have such ‘credits’ to sell, these should belong to the individual nations, which each has its own energy policy, degree of reliance on fossil fuels etc etc ?

  196. kadaka,

    Thank you for the link. I was previously unaware of the deeper meanings behind Charles’ aspirations of being a feminine hygiene product.

  197. RichieP’s link really is very important.

    The British Council was set up to promote British culture overseas: it used to take travelling troupes of actors form the Royal Shakespear Company round Africa, for example, and give poetry readings in Russia or lend paintings to exhibitions, as per its charter.

    Now it’s spending billions of our money on finding and paying ‘advocates’ for AGW to lobby their own governments to influence policy! Who thought up this wheeze, and how on earth did MPs allow it to happen? Incredible. God it makes me so damn angry. And needless to say that Pillock Kinnock (EU stooge) has been involved.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100025163/why-does-the-british-council-spend-money-on-climate-change-propagan

  198. kadaka (14:49:43) :

    Allan M (13:48:37) :

    I used to hang around with these sort of people (I even know a guy (David Lorimer (haven’t seen him for years)) who wrote an adoring book about the Right Charlie). They talk a lot about a ‘holistic approach.’ But how can they have a holistic approach when they don’t understand 90+% of what they are talking about?

    Once you’ve adopted a holistic approach, which can be thought of as trying to understand the whole picture, the first step is asking “What all don’t I know?” If you are honest in the approach, not understanding tends to correct itself, as the individual pieces won’t fit together if you don’t know what they are and how they work.

    To put the term in context, this site is a testament to a holistic understanding of climate. The “other side” said “Ah-ha! It must be the CO2!” and devoted themselves to justifying that conclusion. Here, we can see how complex the issue is and are trying to work out the relationships of all the interconnected systems, accepting we don’t know everything about them and may not even know all the systems that exist. Besides, that’s what the pursuit of science is all about. First step is saying “I don’t know.” The next step, at least as critical, is saying “But I intend to find out.” Accept the ignorance, honestly work to correct the ignorance, and it ceases to be a problem. Even among those sort of people.

    Having spent a lot of time recording their conferences for a friend, I wish I could be as optimistic as you as to their motives or results. Mostly they just trawl around for things that fit their agenda.

  199. Prince Charles is German. All the Royal Family are. Can’t we send them ll back to Germany? Even Prince ‘Philip the Greek’ is of German lineage.

  200. “Here’s a few reminders…”
    “Here’s the last 9000 years…”

    Both of these sentences refer to plurals, so “here’s” should be “Here are…”

    I’d just refrain from using “here’s” at all ;)

  201. Phil Hackett (18:41:41) :
    Prince Charles is German. All the Royal Family are. Can’t we send them ll back to Germany? Even Prince ‘Philip the Greek’ is of German lineage.
    What’s your point?
    Most of the people of southern and eastern England are Anglo-Saxon. Do you want to send them back too? Then there are the Danes in the north east – They are a dodgy lot too. Some of Prince Phillips ancestors are Danish – so off they go too. Then there are those infernal Scots who raided and pillaged over the borders. Restore Hadrian ’s Wall perhaps. But wait – it’s too late. Broon has taken over Westminster. All is lost!! He has capitulated to those Germans in Europe. They have taken over and — Britons will be slaves.

  202. Wattsupwiththat does not usually print ad hominem attacks. Come on, moderators, the standards are slipping.

  203. Way to much disrespect and criticism of HRH going on here.

    Have a little sympathy folks, this guy is the result of generations of inbreeding.

    Give him a break – besides, it is nice to have walking and talking examples of the idiocy of hereditary monarchies.

    HRH is a useful idiot.

  204. Re: Gillian Lord (21:37:46) :

    “Wattsupwiththat does not usually print ad hominem attacks. Come on, moderators, the standards are slipping.”

    Come on Gilly! Moderators gotta’ have some fun too. I’m guessing one of their recurring chuckles comes every time they see yet another use of that once obscure but recently beaten to death phrase “ad hominem”. Prince Charles is just one of those messengers who invites his own slaying. Any time either his or Jim Hansen’s head pops up, folks just naturally think “Whack-A-Mole”!

  205. Another good reason why, in retrospect, we here in the US were quite fortunate to have discarded the British monarchy. The Prince of Wales has unfortunately nothing else to do but dodder around griping about skeptics.

  206. leftymarti:

    “it is nice to have walking and talking examples of the idiocy of hereditary monarchies. ”

    The surviving monarchies in the world include Britain (and some of the members of the Commonwealth), Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Holland and Japan. All those are far more democratic than the average republic. They also enjoy higher environmental standards than the average republic.

    This does have some relevance to arguments over climate change. Obviously the more democratic a country is the more the government will respond to issues over which the population feel strongly. Climate change is one such issue which would be fine if the science really was settled. If the science is dubious then the public might be mislead and the government make the wrong decisions.

    Before the climategate scandal there was the danger of a vicious circle in which in many countries politicians and the public would increasingly spur each other to take action to curb climate change that would be damaging to the world economy and to the health and welfare of many of the world’s poorest people.

  207. Fortunately for Prince Charmless, possessing bucket-loads of common sense and a modicum of intelligence isn’t a prerequisite for ascending the English Throne. However, I’m hoping the next succession will skip a generation.

    Right Charlie is a national embarassment. He should stick to chatting up his petunias…

  208. I should have included Spain in my list of democratic monarchies. The country was a fascist dictatorship from the time of the Spanish Civil War until the restoration of the monarchy and democracy.

    @ Larry:

    “… we here in the US were quite fortunate to have discarded the British monarchy …”

    Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire long before it was abolished in the United States.

    The most democratic of the three countries in North America is a monarchy (for the present, at least)!

    Even before Canada became self-governing it provided a safe home for people fleeing persecution in the United States such as Loyalists, Native Americans and Blacks. Canada never experienced McCarthyism. It never had a civil war, but it did enter both world wars at the beginning instead of waiting like the United States to be attacked first.

  209. Whatever the Prince said about a tampon, he must have been talking about the iTampon, the successor to the iPad.
    But he is only a prince. Let us not forget that Evan Thomas of Newsweek called Obama “almost a god”. And that Chris Matthews answered: “Yeah, yeah.”

  210. If a public figure spends a lot of time talking about the climate in public, what we can expect from him is a bit of knowlege about the basic facts. And the fact is that the sea level has been rising for many, many centuries. And that could not have been caused by anthropogenic CO2.

  211. OK, this ad hominem thing. Charlie offers no evidence at all for his increasingly ignorant and deluded statements. No debate is permitted with him, except vicariously (as here). It’s therefore not possible or allowed to directly question his assertions and falsehoods and yet the only reason this throwback to the Middle Ages receives the publicity he does is because of his descent from robber barons of that period. Frankly, that only leaves ad hominem lines of argument and, boy, does he provide the ammunition for them. Warmists are quite happy to attack Monckton ad hominem (you know, the swivel eyes, big oil funding etc etc), even though (or perhaps especially because) he actually can rout them in scientific debate (not that they’ll face him much). Like someone said in the DT’s Geoffrey Lean article yesterday:

    “You’ve had it all your own way for forty years Geoffrey – you gave no quarter, expect none now. “

    Just swap Charlie for Geoffrey. And, speaking as a Welshman, he’s not the Prince of Wales – the last one was killed fighting the English a long time ago.

  212. yeah yeah yeah… Charlie is a clueless, chinless wingnut, with a track record of being either utterly wrong, or utterly irrelevant. Nuff said, move on.

    The interesting bit for me was the steam loco. Towards the end of their lives on British Rail, steam locos actually became very efficient – take the 9F freight engines for instance, the very pinnacle of steam engine design. I’m willing to bet that using a coal burning steam engine is a more efficient way of moving people and things, than an electric loco, when you take into account that you have to create the electricity in the first place, usually by burning either coal or gas, and then transmit that power to the loco, with all the losses therein, plus the cost and effort of manufacturing and installing all the overhead lines, control gear, maintenance of the system etc.
    Note: It wasn’t ‘rebuilt’ – it was built from scratch, as new.

  213. Is there any more antiquated idea than royalty? Oh yeah–royalty speaking. Shame the populace doesn’t step ‘en fetch no mo….

  214. When has a member of royalty ever relinquished their crown to their child without dieing first people? The line of succession for the next ruleing monarch begins at the point of the predecessors death. Elizabeth II is not going to wake up some day and say “You know I’m kinda tired of all this being Queenie so I think it’s time to give Charlie a chance.” Liz will be Queen untill she breaths her last C02 and the only way it will skip passed Charlie to Willie is Charlie kicks the bucket before Liz. Not insanity, alzheimer’s nor a colostomy bag will keep her greasy inbred Hanoverian Nazi hands from relinquishing the crown. Liz is Ol skool and the Divine Right of Kings is still alive and well in her batty head.

  215. ” RichieP (02:57:09) :
    Warmists are quite happy to attack Monckton ad hominem (you know, the swivel eyes, big oil funding etc etc), even though (or perhaps especially because) he actually can rout them in scientific debate (not that they’ll face him much).”

    I know you mean it sarcastic, but why not call it what it is: Graves’ Disease. Even warmists should know that it is not correct to attack somebody because of his illness, and A as well as Rahm E have been told how not to use the R-word.

  216. @ Alexej Buergin (04:52:45) :
    ‘” RichieP (02:57:09) :
    Warmists are quite happy to attack Monckton ad hominem (you know, the swivel eyes, big oil funding etc etc), even though (or perhaps especially because) he actually can rout them in scientific debate (not that they’ll face him much).”
    I know you mean it sarcastic, but why not call it what it is: Graves’ Disease.’

    I didn’t know that was the proper term, I had only seen it called thyroid problems. In any case, it’s not *my use of the word and yes, I did mean it as a demonstration of how warmists use ad hominem, not how I would describe it. I deplore it.

  217. Royinsouthwest:
    Are you upset because some American is grateful we don’t have a monarchy? You keep your system, and we are happy to keep ours. However, to clarify some points of history for you:

    You wrote:
    “Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire long before it was abolished in the United States.”

    Some might argue that Empire alone constitutes slavery, but leaving that aside, the British slave trade was abolished in 1807, but the practice of slavery continued throughout the Empire until abolished (1833) only 30 years before the Emancipation Proclamation in the United States and 32 years before the 13th Amendment to our Constitution. However, in some of the far-flung reaches of the Empire and later the Commonwealth, illict slavery continued long after Appomatox. Those with Irish ancestory might also point out that British rule was less enlightened and less altruistic than you suggest. Also remember that the American colonies were British until independence, and that slavery was a part of British America from its founding. Another way of looking at it, British slavery in North America (1607-1776) exceeded American slavery (1776-1865) and the early years of the American republic were literally consumed with the legacy of slavery established by the British.

    You also wrote:
    “The most democratic of the three countries in North America is a monarchy (for the present, at least)! ”

    Since Canadians cannot vote for their head of state like Americans or Mexicans, that dog don’t hunt as we say down here. Personally, I don’t see Canada being any more or less democratic than the United States, and I think we have a great common tradition. By the way, there are 23 countries in North America.

    Also:
    “It [Canada] never had a civil war, but it did enter both world wars at the beginning instead of waiting like the United States to be attacked first.”

    As you now understand, the American Civil War was partially a consequence of nearly two-hundred years of British policy (I’m not blaming it on Britain, just noting the facts). Furthermore, Britain’s policy during the Civil War was support and de facto recognition to the slave-holding South. The United States did not enter WWI (a war for European hegemony) at the beginning because we were not bound by treaty as was Great Britain, nor imperial obligations as Canada. But American entry undoubtedly hastened the end of the war. WWII, a subject I write professionally about, was also a war of distant hegemony, and the European war may not have occurred had Great Britain and the other victors followed American counsel at Versailles. I guess that you are unaware of Lend-Lease, the arsenal of democracy and the bending of our Neutrality Act, and that without declaration of war, the United States was actively engaged in WWII prior to being attacked – as the United States Navy was escorting British and Canadian convoys from Halifax prior to Pearl Harbor.

    I’ve always believed in the strengths and virtues of the shared democratic traditions of the English-speaking world. It would have been interesting to see how history would have unfolded had Franklin Roosevelt taken Winston Churchill up on his post-Pearl Harbor suggestion of shared citizenship between the US and the UK – the main sticking point, of course, for us Americans being democratic objections to Empire and monarchy.

    REPLY: let’s not let this thread turn into a discussion of slavery, further comments on the topic will be snipped – Anthony

  218. And I’m supposed to take a old daffy Prince’s opinion seriously? I think he sounded more reasonable when he professed his desire to be Camilla’s tampon.

  219. 74% of respondents in a new BBC poll indicate that they don’t think man-made global warming is real. And Prince Charles states that all climate skeptics are liars. So Prince Charles has just called 74% of the British public liars. What a clever way to rally support for the monarchy.

  220. Sam (13:04:16) :

    “I’m not accusing Prince Charles of eco-facism”

    If it walks like a duck….

    “…he is now advised by the wrong people,…”

    The bonehead can’t tell he’s being badly advised? And it’s not his fault? Please, that’s like if Obama were to say, “It’s not my fault, I just read it off the teleprompter.”

  221. Prince Charles will not read WUWT because he does not want to be confused by facts. With that in mind I sent the following directly to the UK Express.

    “It was heartening to see Prince Charles get something right. Sea levels are indeed rising at an average rate of about 0.3 meters per century.

    However, the average rate of rise since the end of the last Ice Age is more than 1 meter per century. The Prince should be happy that the rate of rise in modern times is so much less than it used to be only 6,000 years ago.”

  222. I am interested in the many contributors who defend Prince Charles. My original comment still stands in regard to which side of the Human induced Global Warming is more honest.
    I will not be traduced by one who so obviously seems to consider it right to betray the trust of another human being.
    i am happily married and would never betray my wife.

  223. Someone tell Charles his subjects ancestors WALKED to the UK from France, x thousand years ago…

    Six inches a century: FACT

    Yep, that (and a bit more naturally) would explain the ENGLISH CHANNEL…

    What a m****t

  224. Interesting to see the “Hanebuth” sea-level curve in the graph shown above. (Hanebuth, T., Stattegger, K., and Grootes, P.M. 2000. Rapid flooding of the Sunda Shelf-a late-glacial sea-level record. Science, 288, p. 1033-1035).

    In the graph, you can see data points in yellow-orange derived from measurements in the Malacca Straits. I did some research in Malaysia that impressed me with the effects on land of the two-meter sea level rise that occurred around 5,000 years ago.

    On my website, you can see the notch that the sea cut in rocks in Kedah State that are now some distance from the sea.

    http://www.geoscience-environment.com/ge703/previousresearch.html

    On the Malacca side of Malaysia, rivers flowing into the sea cut channels about two meters deep.

    We reason that because the land risen only a little, these observations indicate that sea level level has fallen about two meters.

    So why did sea level rise two meters higher before falling? Other studies, show that there was a warm period around 5,000 years ago called the Climatic Optimum which correlates with sea levels two meters higher than today. This warm period probably lasted a thousand years or so at a time when there were few humans and most were humters and gatherers.

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