I always have to chuckle when somebody uses the phrase denier/delayer to label somebody for even the slightest transgression on climate /action/justice/activism/alarmism/pick a word.
Briefly, this appeared on Google News:
That was the original title of the piece. Somebody must have complained, because it didn’t last long: Look what The Guardian changed the title to:
Whether the hopes are fading or in “tatters”, it seems that the hope and climate change movement is falling apart.
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More on the statements and their meaning (including how this might affect chances of Obama attending) on Dot Earth: http://j.mp/OnToCop16
It’s dead, Jim.
A little hope?
I guess he must have seen the Prove It! poll over at the London Science Museum.
I guess it’s possible to have fading tatters, no? 😉
From the Gruaniad article:
“While this falls short of hopes that Copenhagen would lock in place a new action plan for the world, it recognises the lack of progress in recent preparatory talks and the hold-ups of climate legislation in the US Senate.”
Hip-hip! Hooray! for the U.S. Senate.
The founding fathers of the U.S. created that august body precisely to gum up the legislative works. Sometimes it actually works as intended.
There IS a higher authority than George Monbiot!
I would not start dancing just yet,Maobama still has a card up his sleeve.
Newsbusteers reports that the New York Times says that “world leaders” have agreed to delay a solution and instead to try to create something simpler at Copenhagen. Let’s see if anyone can produce a list of all these leaders and what they said.
here’s the link pops
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
I wouldn’t be too happy yet. The unelected bureaucrats at the EPA can still cost the US taxpayers hundreds of billions (or more) dollars with their CO2 endangerment program.
Must….sterilize…im-per-fec-shun….Goremad.
Earth…is….conflicting mass of….climate….illogical….must….sterilize…
Goremad.
Scotty…meet me in the transporter with some antigravs.
I’ll try to delay it before it explodes.
Ern Matthews (10:37:11) :
That, along with the flaming statue they had of him, was quite disturbing.
He’s a Great Dragon to them.
The fact that it is still on the agenda is a problem. Lisa Jackson has named CO2 a pollutant. She must be stopped otherwise the agenda will go forward. Imagine 10.2% unemployment and skyrocketing energy prices. What a great combo. Where is the necessary energy policy to reduce the cost of energy for all. Where are the manufacturing jobs that are leaving the US do to congress destabilizing bad energy policies going to go other than India and China? Where is the leadership other than just saying no! Stopping coal and nuclear power has succeeded in killing US jobs, great leadership!
“Maobama still has a card up his sleeve”
And a few skeletons in his cupboard
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6569816/Our-alcoholic-father-beat-me-says-Barack-Obamas-half-brother-Mark.html
Well, if anything, this will give us more time to stuff our mattresses with cash before the politicians rape our wallets and bank accounts.
It may not be dead, but it ain’t at all well !!!!!!!
At what point will CO2 treaties and AGW become “The Dead Parrot Sketch”?
Hmm. This makes the pointless Science Museum poll even more pointless.
“I’ve seen the evidence. And I want the government to prove they’re serious about climate change by negotiating a strong, effective, fair deal at Copenhagen.”
Perhaps the count-me-in-votes can be used to encourage the British government to go there announce they’ll continue on their green path alone.
Hey warmists, how’s that hope and change working out for ya?
still, the danger of a devastating agreement continues to exists.
kopenhagen is not a mirror of public opinion or has anything to do with science.
all leaders from third and developing world will sign anything, that makes them richer.
on the other side, some leaders like the danish host, rudd, brown, merkel and others will sign anything, that gives them a headline that they saved the planet, completely disconnected from thei countries interests.
the little rest of rational leaders is typically accompanied by fanatic environmentalist advisers and will be exposed to tremendous pressure.
“In a poll published just weeks before the global climate change summit in Copenhagen, Denmark, it has been revealed only 41% of British people accept as a scientific fact that the situation is largely man-made.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1227745/Most-Britons-dont-believe-climate-change-man-made.html#ixzz0WxRHFwQq
I suppose that means 59% do not accept as a scientific fact that global warming is man made.
Th Guardian unsurprisingly their guys and gals on the environment pages have global warming as their main topic, take it away and the pony and trap looms.
OT
When is a consensus not a consensus? According to the UK government a consensus is not a consensus unless it is a total consenus.
See: Fury as Scottish HQ bid vetoed
http://www.sundaypost.com/postindex.htm
Barak Obama has found himself in a lot of political hot water. He had to react. I think this is part of his 2012 re-election campaign. He could be looking at the outrageous popularity of Sarah Palin and feeling insecure over it.
…Obama has spent more money on new programs in nine months than Bill Clinton did in eight years, pushing the annual deficit to $1.4 trillion…the White House focus on deficit reduction could easily kill the cap-and-trade…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29471.html
janama (10:41:54) & pops
I went to the link and immediately added my name to the “countmeout” statistics, together with a message. I was told that a message would be sent to my e-mail to assure the integrity of my entry, but, strangely enough, I haven’t seen any such confirmatory e-mail. I don’t want to be too cynical, but I wonder whether this has anything to do with the 2:1 voting against the Science Museum support for AGW?