A cold start to fall: over 4500 new snowfall, low temp, and lowest max temp records set in the USA this last week

The Record Events map depicts the official National Weather Service records recorded for the defined date(s) or time period, which includes record high and low temperatures, record high minimum temperatures, record low maximum temperatures, record daily rainfall and record daily snowfall. Source: Hamweather Climate Center and NOAA/NWS

Record Events for Sat Oct 10, 2009 through Fri Oct 16, 2009
Total Records:	6257
Rainfall:	859
Snowfall:	297
High Temperatures:	369
Low Temperatures:	785
Lowest Max Temperatures:	3473
Highest Min Temperatures:	474

While there are way too many lowest maximum temperature records set to list here, the record lows and the snowfall records are listed below.

US Low Temperature Records 10-10 thru 10-18 2009

State	Location	Date	New Record (°F)	Previous Record (°F)
WY	Yellowstone Pk Mammoth	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	5	12 in 1986
WY	Worland Faa Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	21 in 1993
WY	Worland Faa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1977
WY	Thermopolis	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	20 in 1949
WY	Tensleep, 4 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	20 in 1977
WY	Tensleep, 4 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	17 in 1986
WY	Ten Sleep, 16 miles SSE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	9	11 in 1987
WY	Ten Sleep, 16 miles SSE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	16 in 1985
WY	Shirley Basin	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	8	10 in 1986
WY	Shirley Basin	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	6	10 in 1987
WY	Sheridan Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	15 in 1993
WY	Sheridan Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	18 in 1986
WY	Rock Springs Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	21 in 1987
WY	Riverton	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	6	13 in 1932
WY	Rawlins Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	15 in 1987
WY	Pavillion	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	21 in 1977
WY	Pavillion	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	10	16 in 1969
WY	Newcastle	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	8	13 in 1970
WY	Midwest	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	16 in 1986
WY	Midwest	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	17 in 1986
WY	Midwest	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	18 in 1982
WY	Medicine Bow	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	7	9 in 1987
WY	Laramie Rgnl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	7	12 in 1977
WY	Lander Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	18 in 1969
WY	Jeffrey City	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	8	9 in 1987
WY	Glenrock, 5 miles ESE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	18 in 1969
WY	Glenrock, 5 miles ESE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	13	19 in 1982
WY	Gillette Campbell County Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	19 in 2006
WY	Gillette, 4 miles SE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	17 in 1958
WY	Gillette, 4 miles SE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	17 in 2006
WY	Gillette, 4 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1959
WY	Douglas, 1 miles SE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1917
WY	Douglas, 1 miles SE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	13 in 1919
WY	Deaver	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	15 in 1969
WY	Crandall Creek	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	6	11 in 1977
WY	Crandall Creek	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	6	6 in 1969
WY	Cody	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	11	18 in 1928
WY	Cody	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1928
WY	Cody	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	6	8 in 1919
WY	Clark, 3 miles NE of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	14	15 in 1969
WY	Chugwater	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	8	12 in 1958
WY	Centennial, 1 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	12 in 1982
WY	Casper Wscmo	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	14 in 1982
WY	Casper Wscmo	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	18 in 1969
WY	Buffalo	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1969
WY	Buffalo	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	11	16 in 1922
WY	Buffalo	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	8	9 in 1919
WY	Buffalo	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	15 in 1922
WY	Boysen Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1986
WY	Boysen Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1969
WY	Boysen Dam	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	22 in 1985
WY	Bitter Creek, 4 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	16 in 1987
WY	Billy Creek	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	10	16 in 1969
WY	Billy Creek	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	8	15 in 1986
WI	West Allis	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	29 in 1987
WI	Waukesha	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	23 in 1909
WI	Watertown	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1908
WI	Two Rivers	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	28 in 2006
WI	Rhinelander Oneida County Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1987
WI	Port Washington	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1988
WI	Oconomowoc	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1988
WI	Milwaukee Mt Mary Col	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1967
WI	Milwaukee Mt Mary Col	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1964
WI	Lone Rock Tri Co	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	24 in 1964
WI	Lone Rock Tri Cnty Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1987
WI	Lancaster, 4 miles WSW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1906
WI	Lancaster, 4 miles WSW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	20 in 1906
WI	Ladysmith, 3 miles W of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1978
WI	Ladysmith, 3 miles W of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1965
WI	Kenosha	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	30 in 2006
WI	Kenosha	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1964
WI	Horicon	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1990
WI	Dodgeville	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1988
WI	Beaver Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1967
WI	Beaver Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1964
WI	Arlington Univ Farm	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1987
WI	Arlington Univ Farm	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1991
WI	Arlington Univ Farm	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	24 in 1988
WA	Yakima Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	27 in 2003
WA	Yakima Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	24 in 1990
WA	Winthrop, 1 miles WSW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1980
WA	Winthrop, 1 miles WSW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	20 in 1930
WA	Whitman Mission	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	24 in 1987
WA	Whitman Mission	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	19 in 2008
WA	Wenatchee Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	30	32 in 1977
WA	Wenatchee Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1997
WA	Wenatchee	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	30 in 1931
WA	Wenatchee	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	28 in 1931
WA	Wapato	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	29 in 1990
WA	Wapato	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	28 in 1983
WA	Walla Walla Faa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	33 in 2008
WA	Walla Walla Faa Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	32	33 in 2008
WA	Upper Baker Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	30 in 1972
WA	Upper Baker Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	30 in 2008
WA	Upper Baker Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	26	33 in 1969
WA	Sunnyside	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1924
WA	Stampede Pass	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	27	27 in 1969
WA	Stampede Pass	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	30 in 2002
WA	Stampede Pass	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1977
WA	Spokane Intl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	24 in 2002
WA	Spokane Intl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	25 in 1977
WA	Spokane Felts Field	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	25 in 1990
WA	Spokane Felts Field	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1977
WA	Spokane Felts Field	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	25 in 2008
WA	Seattle Boeing Field	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	35	35 in 2008
WA	Ross Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	33	35 in 2008
WA	Ross Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	33	35 in 1966
WA	Ross Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	35 in 2008
WA	Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1924
WA	Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	24 in 1990
WA	Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	23 in 1985
WA	Richland	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	33 in 1987
WA	Quincy, 1 miles S of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	26 in 1954
WA	Pullman Moscow Regional Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	18 in 2008
WA	Priest Rapids Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	32	35 in 1987
WA	Priest Rapids Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	34 in 1960
WA	Priest Rapids Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	32	32 in 1969
WA	Pomeroy	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	22 in 1946
WA	Omak, 4 miles N of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	20 in 1977
WA	Olympia Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 2008
WA	Newhalem	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	36	37 in 2002
WA	Newhalem	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	33	37 in 1997
WA	Mt Adams Rs	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	22 in 2002
WA	Moxee City, 10 miles E of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	28 in 2002
WA	Moses Lake Grant County Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	26 in 2008
WA	Moses Lake Grant County Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	27 in 2006
WA	Monroe	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1930
WA	Monroe	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	32 in 2002
WA	Mazama	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	19 in 1969
WA	Lacrosse	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	17 in 1946
WA	Kennewick	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1931
WA	Holden Village	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	21 in 2002
WA	Goldendale	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	24 in 2002
WA	Ephrata Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	30 in 2008
WA	Ephrata Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	29 in 2006
WA	Ephrata Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	26 in 1990
WA	Diablo Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	28	30 in 1930
WA	Diablo Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	31 in 2008
WA	Dayton, 1 miles WSW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	22 in 1899
WA	Davenport	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	18	20 in 1924
WA	Davenport	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	15 in 1990
WA	Dallesport Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	32 in 1990
WA	Coulee Dam, 1 miles SW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	31 in 1977
WA	Coulee Dam, 1 miles SW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	27 in 2002
WA	Colville	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	18 in 1919
WA	Colville	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	21 in 1907
WA	Colville	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	20 in 2002
WA	Cle Elum	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1930
WA	Chief Joseph Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	26 in 2002
WA	Chief Joseph Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	20	27 in 2002
WA	Chelan	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	30	32 in 1981
WA	Bickleton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	28 in 2002
WA	Bellingham Intl Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	32 in 2002
WA	Bellingham Fcwos Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	32 in 1972
WA	Baring	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1972
VT	Newport	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1978
VT	Newport	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	20	24 in 1972
UT	Panguitch	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1990
TX	Wellington	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	40 in 1979
TX	Turkey	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	37	37 in 1994
TX	Turkey	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	37 in 1994
TX	Turkey	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	33	37 in 1986
TX	Tulia	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	33 in 1990
TX	Tahoka	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	35	35 in 1986
TX	Tahoka	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	36	36 in 1990
TX	Stratford	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	28 in 2005
TX	Stratford	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	30 in 1982
TX	Silverton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	31	32 in 1986
TX	Silverton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	34 in 1993
TX	Post	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	36	37 in 1986
TX	Post	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	36	37 in 1970
TX	Plainview	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	35 in 1990
TX	Panhandle	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	29 in 1986
TX	Pampa 2	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	30 in 1986
TX	Paducah	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	36 in 1990
TX	Paducah	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	31	37 in 1977
TX	Olton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	30	31 in 1986
TX	Muleshoe #1	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	34 in 1982
TX	Memphis	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	35 in 1952
TX	Matador	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	40 in 1970
TX	Matador	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	34	35 in 1977
TX	Lubbock Intl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	38 in 1932
TX	Lubbock Intl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	37	38 in 1993
TX	Lipscomb	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	29 in 1993
TX	Hereford	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1907
TX	Guthrie	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	34	34 in 1977
TX	Guthrie	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	34 in 1990
TX	Gruver	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	33 in 1982
TX	Gruver	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1977
TX	Gail	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	38	38 in 1994
TX	Follett	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	31 in 1986
TX	Floydada	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	36 in 1970
TX	Floydada	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	31	32 in 1977
TX	Dumas	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	20	24 in 1952
TX	Dimmitt, 2 miles N of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	31 in 1986
TX	Dimmitt, 2 miles N of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1982
TX	Dalhart Faa Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	30 in 1990
TX	Dalhart Faa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1982
TX	Crosbyton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	35 in 1990
TX	Clarendon	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	33 in 1994
TX	Childress Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	36	41 in 2000
TX	Brownfield #2	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	35	37 in 2000
TX	Brownfield #2	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	35	35 in 1986
TX	Bravo	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1990
TX	Borger	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	29	35 in 1993
TX	Borger	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	32 in 1982
TX	Andrews	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	40	40 in 2000
TX	Amarillo Wso Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	33 in 2005
TX	Amarillo Wso Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	34 in 1993
SD	Yankton, 2 miles E of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1987
SD	White Lake	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	24 in 1959
SD	White Lake	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1987
SD	Wessington Springs	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1987
SD	Wessington Springs	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	23 in 1987
SD	Webster	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1987
SD	Watertown Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1959
SD	Vermillion, 2 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1987
SD	Timber Lake	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	18 in 1935
SD	Stephan, 2 miles NW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	11	18 in 1908
SD	Spearfish	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	22 in 1933
SD	Roscoe	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1959
SD	Roscoe	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	20 in 2006
SD	Redfield	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	21 in 2006
SD	Rapid City Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	18 in 1987
SD	Rapid City Rgnl Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	18 in 2006
SD	Rapid City, 4 miles NW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	18 in 1993
SD	Porcupine, 11 miles N of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	9	16 in 1990
SD	Pierre Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1946
SD	Pickstown	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	27 in 2006
SD	Oral	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1986
SD	Oelrichs	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	11	17 in 1948
SD	Oelrichs	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	16	19 in 2006
SD	Newell	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	22 in 1986
SD	Newell	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	16	16 in 1986
SD	Murdo	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	21 in 1959
SD	Mt Rushmore Natl Mem	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	10	15 in 1986
SD	Mitchell Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	28 in 2006
SD	Mission	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	22 in 2006
SD	Mission	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	24 in 1990
SD	Mission	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1970
SD	Milesville, 5 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1987
SD	Milesville, 5 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	18	19 in 1987
SD	Menno	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1987
SD	Mc Intosh, 6 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	20 in 1959
SD	Maurine, 12 miles SW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	13	17 in 1985
SD	Maurine, 12 miles SW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	20 in 1987
SD	Martin	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1993
SD	Ludlow, 3 miles SSE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1959
SD	Lead	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	7	10 in 1919
SD	Lead	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	11	15 in 1909
SD	Interior, 3 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1959
SD	Huron Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1935
SD	Hot Springs	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	15 in 1909
SD	Hot Springs	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	20 in 1899
SD	Gregory	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1959
SD	Gettysburg	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	16 in 1946
SD	Ft Meade	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	22 in 1985
SD	Forestburg, 3 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1987
SD	Edgemont	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	18 in 1980
SD	Edgemont	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1986
SD	Edgemont	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	23	23 in 2006
SD	Edgemont	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1993
SD	Cottonwood, 2 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	9	14 in 1987
SD	Clear Lake	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2006
SD	Clear Lake	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	20 in 1970
SD	Clear Lake	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1959
SD	Clark	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	16 in 1935
SD	Cedar Butte, 1 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	25 in 1921
SD	Cedar Butte, 1 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	22 in 1959
SD	Academy, 2 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	23 in 1908
PA	Johnstown Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1987
PA	Erie Wso Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	34	36 in 1977
OR	Roseburg Regional Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	36	37 in 1991
OR	Redmond Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2006
OR	Prineville	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1985
OR	Pendleton E Or Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	25 in 2008
OR	Pendleton Dwtn	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	22 in 2008
OR	Pendleton Dwtn	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	21 in 2008
OR	Owyhee Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	25 in 2002
OR	Moro	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	28 in 1990
OR	Meacham Wso Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	15 in 2008
OR	Lacomb, 3 miles NNE of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	30	30 in 2002
OR	Joseph	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	21 in 1946
OR	Joseph	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1899
OR	Hood Rvr Exp Stn	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	29 in 2008
OR	Hood Rvr Exp Stn	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	28 in 1990
OR	Hermiston, 1 miles SE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1931
OR	Halfway	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	18 in 2001
OR	Halfway	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1990
OR	Grizzly	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	17 in 2002
OR	Eugene Mahlon Sweet Fl	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	30	32 in 2008
OR	Drain	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	28 in 2008
OR	Drain	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	31 in 1990
OR	Corvallis Water Bureau	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	31	31 in 1985
OR	Corvallis Water Bureau	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	34 in 2002
OR	Bonneville Dam	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	35	35 in 1970
OK	Ponca City Muni Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	34	34 in 1979
OK	Mutual	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	33 in 1993
OK	Hooker	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1919
OK	Goodwell Rsch Stn	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1977
OK	Goodwell Rsch Stn	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	30 in 1919
OK	Gage Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1993
OK	Boise City, 2 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1982
OK	Blanchard, 2 miles SSW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	39	41 in 1994
OK	Beaver	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1948
OK	Beaver	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1977
NY	Watertown Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	25 in 1994
NY	Rochester Intl Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1981
NY	Rochester Intl Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1996
NY	Niagara Falls Intl Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	32 in 1994
NY	New York La Guardia Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	39	42 in 1977
NY	New York La Guardia Ap	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	39	43 in 1978
NY	Geneva Rsch Farm	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1993
NY	Geneva Rsch Farm	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	30	31 in 1996
NY	Elmira Corning Regional Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1994
NY	Conklingville Dam	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	28	28 in 2002
NY	Aurora Rsch Farm	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1996
NY	Auburn	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1939
NM	Tucumcari Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1990
NM	Tucumcari Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	32 in 1946
NM	Tucumcari Faa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	34 in 2005
NM	Tucumcari, 4 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	30 in 1986
NM	Tucumcari, 4 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1970
NM	Santa Fe County Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	31	32 in 1949
NM	San Jon	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	31	32 in 1982
NM	Melrose	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	33 in 1977
NM	Clayton Muni Arpk Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1946
NM	Clayton Muni Arpk Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	29 in 1919
NH	Pinkham Notch	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1978
NE	Wallace, 2 miles W of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1967
NE	Wallace, 2 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	24 in 1980
NE	Valentine Miller Fld A	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	23 in 1958
NE	Valentine Miller Fld A	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	23 in 2006
NE	Trenton Dam	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	25 in 1970
NE	Superior, 4 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	28 in 1905
NE	Sidney Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1948
NE	Sidney, 3 miles S of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1948
NE	Seward	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1916
NE	Scottsbluff Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	16 in 1919
NE	Osceola	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1990
NE	O Neill	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	25 in 1921
NE	North Platte Rgnl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1958
NE	North Platte Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	20 in 1987
NE	North Platte Exp Farm	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	23 in 2000
NE	North Platte Exp Farm	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	22 in 1987
NE	North Platte Exp Farm	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1986
NE	Merriman	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	17 in 1959
NE	Mccook Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	28 in 1990
NE	Mc Cook	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	25 in 1919
NE	Madrid	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1906
NE	Loup City	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	23 in 1987
NE	Lodgepole	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	18 in 1987
NE	Kingsley Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	23 in 1986
NE	Kimball, 2 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	12	17 in 1932
NE	Kimball, 2 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1969
NE	Kimball, 2 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	19 in 1987
NE	Kearney, 4 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1987
NE	Imperial Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	19	25 in 1967
NE	Imperial Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1969
NE	Holdrege	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1946
NE	Hershey, 5 miles SSE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	19 in 2000
NE	Hemingford	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	18 in 1986
NE	Hayes Ctr	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	23 in 1987
NE	Hayes Ctr	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	18	23 in 1935
NE	Hastings Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1993
NE	Hastings, 4 miles N of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1919
NE	Hartington	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	24 in 1919
NE	Harrison	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	12 in 1932
NE	Harrison	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	10	10 in 1946
NE	Harrisburg, 12 miles WNW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	13 in 1970
NE	Harrisburg, 12 miles WNW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	9	13 in 1987
NE	Haigler	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	27 in 2006
NE	Greeley	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	23 in 2000
NE	David City	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	23 in 1987
NE	David City	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	23 in 1906
NE	Dalton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1969
NE	Dalton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	18 in 1987
NE	Chambers	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1987
NE	Chadron, 3 miles SW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	10	15 in 1932
NE	Chadron, 3 miles SW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	10	14 in 1948
NE	Canaday Steam Plt	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	21	23 in 2000
NE	Canaday Steam Plt	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1987
NE	Broken Bow Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	26 in 1996
NE	Bridgeport	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	17 in 1905
NE	Big Springs	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	18 in 1948
NE	Benkelman	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	20 in 1987
NE	Benkelman	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	27 in 1970
NE	Arthur	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	17 in 1987
NE	Arthur	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1958
NE	Alliance, 1 miles WNW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1958
NE	Agate, 3 miles E of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	12	15 in 2000
ND	Watford City, 14 miles S of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	19 in 1986
ND	Underwood	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1959
ND	Pretty Rock	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1987
ND	Minot Intl Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	20	20 in 1979
ND	Jamestown Muni Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1979
ND	Fargo Hector Intl Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1993
ND	Fargo Hector Intl Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	17	17 in 1979
ND	Dickinson Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	20 in 2006
ND	Carrington, 4 miles N of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	20	23 in 1983
ND	Bowman	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	17 in 1977
MT	Wisdom	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	2	4 in 2002
MT	Wisdom	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	2	2 in 1987
MT	Valier	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	13 in 1972
MT	Valentine	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	21 in 2002
MT	Valentine	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	17 in 1987
MT	Thompson Falls Ph	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	18	22 in 1987
MT	Superior	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	15 in 1919
MT	Sula, 3 miles ENE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	9	12 in 2002
MT	Ryegate, 18 miles NNW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	10	17 in 1986
MT	Roundup	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1986
MT	Roundup	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	18 in 1959
MT	Rapelje, 4 miles S of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1969
MT	Rapelje, 4 miles S of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	10	14 in 1969
MT	Powderville, 8 miles NNE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1980
MT	Port Of Morgan	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	11	12 in 2002
MT	Opheim, 10 miles N of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	6	12 in 1965
MT	Moorhead, 9 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	17 in 2006
MT	Missoula, 2 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	21 in 1990
MT	Martinsdale, 3 miles NNW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	16 in 1986
MT	Martinsdale, 3 miles NNW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	13 in 1986
MT	Malmstrom Afb	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	12	18 in 1977
MT	Malmstrom Afb	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	18 in 2008
MT	Lewistown Fcwos	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	18 in 1969
MT	Lewistown Fcwos	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	5	12 in 1987
MT	Joliet	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1986
MT	Joliet	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1986
MT	Jackson	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	5	10 in 1990
MT	Hysham	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	20 in 1977
MT	Hysham	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1985
MT	Hysham	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	12	18 in 1986
MT	Huntley Exp Stn	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	11	16 in 1986
MT	Huntley Exp Stn	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1986
MT	Huntley Exp Stn	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1949
MT	Hungry Horse Dam	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	12	12 in 2002
MT	Hungry Horse Dam	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	18	23 in 1969
MT	Hungry Horse Dam	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	18 in 1985
MT	Hungry Horse Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	12	14 in 2002
MT	Heron, 2 miles NW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	17 in 1924
MT	Heron, 2 miles NW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	17 in 1919
MT	Heron, 2 miles NW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	19 in 2002
MT	Helena Ap Asos	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1990
MT	Helena Ap Asos	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	9	15 in 1987
MT	Havre City Co Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1977
MT	Havre City Co Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1972
MT	Hardin	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1969
MT	Hardin	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1986
MT	Hamilton	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1987
MT	Hamilton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	9	12 in 1895
MT	Hamilton	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	9	11 in 1895
MT	Hamilton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1987
MT	Great Falls Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	16 in 2002
MT	Great Falls 16st	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	7	14 in 1919
MT	Grass Range	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	20 in 1986
MT	Grass Range	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	16 in 1959
MT	Gardiner	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1969
MT	Ft Benton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	17	20 in 1986
MT	Ft Benton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1990
MT	Flatwillow, 4 miles ENE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	13 in 1919
MT	Ennis	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	17 in 1987
MT	Ennis	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	8	13 in 1986
MT	Ennis	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	11	14 in 1919
MT	Ekalaka	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	9	15 in 1977
MT	Divide	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	7	10 in 2008
MT	Dillon Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	8	15 in 1987
MT	Dillon Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	12	14 in 2008
MT	Dillon Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	17 in 1986
MT	Del Bonita	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	8	8 in 2002
MT	Del Bonita	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	6	7 in 1977
MT	Cut Bank Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	3	10 in 1977
MT	Culbertson	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	15 in 1965
MT	Culbertson	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1959
MT	Cooke City, 2 miles W of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	5	5 in 1969
MT	Cooke City, 2 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	6	6 in 1985
MT	Columbus	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	21 in 1969
MT	Columbus	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	19 in 1987
MT	Columbus	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	12	12 in 1993
MT	Choteau	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	17 in 1931
MT	Chinook	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	15 in 1919
MT	Butte Bert Mooney Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	11	14 in 1987
MT	Butte Bert Mooney Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	6	10 in 2008
MT	Broadus	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1948
MT	Bridger, 2 miles N of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1986
MT	Bridger, 2 miles N of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	17	17 in 1969
MT	Bridger, 2 miles N of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	12	19 in 1959
MT	Bredette	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	15 in 2006
MT	Bozeman Montana St U	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	11	18 in 1969
MT	Bozeman Gallatin Fld	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	15 in 1987
MT	Bozeman 6 W Exp Farm	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	13	18 in 1969
MT	Billings Wtp	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	20 in 1909
MT	Billings Wtp	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1986
MT	Billings Intl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1987
MT	Biddle, 8 miles SW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1980
MO	Kirksville Regional Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1964
MN	Worthington, 2 miles NNE of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2006
MN	Wheaton	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	22	24 in 1914
MN	Pipestone	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1987
MN	Owatonna	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	23 in 2006
MN	Owatonna	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	23	23 in 2006
MN	Owatonna	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	25	26 in 2006
MN	Ottertail	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	23	25 in 1979
MN	Ottertail	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1987
MN	Ottertail	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1970
MN	Melrose	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1961
MN	Melrose	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1987
MN	Melrose	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1992
MN	Long Prairie	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1946
MN	Long Prairie	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1917
MN	Long Prairie	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	18	19 in 1898
MN	Litchfield	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	21 in 1980
MN	Litchfield	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	21	25 in 1986
MN	Litchfield	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	20	20 in 1909
MN	Litchfield	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	23 in 1987
MN	Isle, 12 miles N of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	20	24 in 1978
MN	Hibbing Faa Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1978
MN	Hibbing Faa Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	13	15 in 1993
MN	Gull Lake Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1987
MN	Gull Lake Dam	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1918
MN	Grand Meadow	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1987
MN	Gaylord	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1986
MN	Gaylord	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1987
MN	Gaylord	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	24	24 in 2006
MN	Forest Lake, 5 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	23 in 1987
MN	Forest Lake, 5 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1996
MN	Forest Lake, 5 miles NE of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	23	28 in 1961
MN	Duluth Intl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2006
MN	Cloquet	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1937
MN	Cass Lake	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1988
MN	Buffalo	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1970
MN	Buffalo	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1985
MN	Browns Valley	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	18	22 in 1986
MN	Browns Valley	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	26 in 2006
MN	Browns Valley	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1983
MN	Brainerd Crow Wing Co Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	23	23 in 1988
MN	Brainerd Crow Wing Co Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	26 in 1979
MN	Brainerd Crow Wing Co Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	26 in 2006
MN	Brainerd Crow Wing Co Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	24	26 in 2006
MN	Brainerd	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1979
MN	Brainerd	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1987
MN	Austin, 3 miles S of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	23 in 2006
MN	Austin, 3 miles S of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1987
MN	Alexandria Chandler Fl	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	24 in 1985
MN	Alexandria Chandler Fl	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1986
MI	Watersmeet, 5 miles W of	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	15	22 in 1978
MI	Watersmeet, 5 miles W of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1945
MI	Watersmeet, 5 miles W of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	19 in 1993
MI	Tahquamenon Falls Sp	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1978
MI	Stambaugh, 2 miles SSE of	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1944
MI	St Ignace Mackinac Br	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	29	29 in 1978
MI	St Ignace Mackinac Br	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	29	30 in 2002
MI	Sandusky	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1958
MI	Pellston Rgnl Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	20	20 in 2002
MI	Ontonagon, 6 miles SE of	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	23	25 in 1997
MI	Ontonagon, 6 miles SE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	25	25 in 2006
MI	Munising	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1967
MI	Munising	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1964
MI	Midland	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	29 in 1996
MI	Marquette Wso Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	20	21 in 2002
MI	Maple City, 1 miles E of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	29 in 2006
MI	Manistique Wwtp	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	25	26 in 1939
MI	Howell Wwtp	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1906
MI	Houghton Faa Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1993
MI	Houghton Faa Ap	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1952
MI	Houghton Faa Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	25	27 in 2006
MI	Houghton Faa Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2002
MI	Hesperia, 4 miles WNW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1996
MI	Grosse Pointe Farms	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	29 in 1964
MI	Grosse Pointe Farms	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	31	31 in 1988
MI	Detour Village	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	30	30 in 2002
MI	Alberta Ford For Ctr	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1978
ME	Rumford, 1 miles SSE of	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1979
ME	Rumford, 1 miles SSE of	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1950
ME	Millinocket Faa Ap	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	22	24 in 1980
ME	Long Falls Dam	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1994
ME	Long Falls Dam	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	18	21 in 1979
ME	Houlton Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	19	21 in 1959
ME	Ft Kent	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	19	19 in 2000
ME	Dover-foxcroft	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	21	21 in 1980
ME	Caribou Wfo	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	21	24 in 1996
ME	Caribou Wfo	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1980
ME	Brunswick	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	27	27 in 1978
ME	Brassua Dam	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1978
ME	Brassua Dam	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	20	21 in 2000
MA	Vineyard Haven Marthas Vineyar	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	33 in 2000
MA	Taunton Municipal Ap	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	28	28 in 2006
MA	Taunton Municipal Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	30 in 2000
MA	Taunton Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	33 in 2000
MA	Pittsfield Wb Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	25	28 in 2006
MA	Nantucket Faa Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	35	38 in 1961
MA	Hyannis Barnstable Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	35	36 in 1980
MA	Buffumville Lake	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	27	27 in 2002
LA	De Ridder	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	40	41 in 1989
KS	Wilson Lake	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	33 in 1967
KS	Wilson Lake	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	31 in 1977
KS	Wichita Mid-continent	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	36 in 1993
KS	Washington	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	31 in 2000
KS	Wamego, 4 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	31 in 1987
KS	Wakeeney	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	28 in 1919
KS	Wakeeney	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	27 in 1919
KS	Ulysses, 3 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	28 in 2000
KS	Ulysses, 3 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1896
KS	Ulysses, 3 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1977
KS	Tribune, 1 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	23 in 1948
KS	Tribune, 1 miles W of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	21	23 in 2000
KS	Topeka Forbes Field	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1993
KS	Sublette	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1919
KS	Sterling	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	21	27 in 1969
KS	Sterling	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	31 in 1977
KS	Sterling	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	30	32 in 1990
KS	Sterling	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	31	31 in 1977
KS	Smith Ctr	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	28 in 1987
KS	Smith Ctr	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	27 in 1958
KS	Sharon Springs	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	25 in 1977
KS	Salina Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	33	33 in 1993
KS	Russell, 1 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	33 in 1982
KS	Russell, 1 miles E of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	29 in 1967
KS	Richfield, 1 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	28	30 in 1990
KS	Richfield, 1 miles NE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	28 in 1919
KS	Richfield, 1 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1917
KS	Plainville, 4 miles WNW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	26 in 1948
KS	Plainville, 4 miles WNW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	27 in 2000
KS	Olathe Johnson Co Industrial A	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	32	32 in 1993
KS	Oakley, 4 miles W of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	24 in 2000
KS	Oakley, 4 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	26 in 1948
KS	Oakley, 4 miles W of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1977
KS	Norton Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	28 in 1982
KS	Minneapolis	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	29 in 1919
KS	Mc Donald	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	23 in 2000
KS	Mc Donald	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	23 in 1987
KS	Liberal	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	29 in 2001
KS	Liberal	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	32 in 1982
KS	Leoti, 1 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1948
KS	Kingman	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	33 in 1982
KS	Kingman	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	34	34 in 2002
KS	Kanopolis Lake	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	29 in 1967
KS	Hutchinson Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	32 in 1994
KS	Hugoton	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	27 in 1913
KS	Hoxie	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	26 in 2000
KS	Hoxie	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1987
KS	Holton, 7 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1987
KS	Hill City Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	29 in 1993
KS	Hill City, 1 miles NE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	28 in 1935
KS	Healy	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	27 in 1990
KS	Goodland Renner Fld	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	25 in 1958
KS	Garden City Regional Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	30 in 1990
KS	Garden City Exp Stn	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	29 in 1990
KS	Garden City, 9 miles ESE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	30 in 1990
KS	Eskridge	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	31 in 1932
KS	Emporia Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	34 in 1977
KS	Emporia Faa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	34	35 in 1977
KS	Elkhart	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1917
KS	Elkhart	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	26 in 1905
KS	Dodge City Rgnl Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1948
KS	Dodge City Rgnl Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	30 in 1993
KS	Concordia Blosser Muni	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	30 in 1993
KS	Concordia Blosser Muni	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	32 in 1977
KS	Colby, 1 miles SW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	20	25 in 2000
KS	Clay Ctr	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1919
KS	Beloit	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1990
KS	Beloit	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	22	29 in 1917
IN	Terre Haute Caa Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	32	33 in 1996
IL	Wheaton, 3 miles SE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	26	27 in 1996
IL	Rockford Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	26 in 1987
IL	Rochelle	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	26 in 1987
IL	Paw Paw, 2 miles NW of	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1997
IL	Paris Wtr Wks	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	30	30 in 1964
IL	Joliet Brandon Rd Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	31	31 in 2000
IL	Freeport Waste Wtp	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	27	27 in 2000
IL	De Kalb	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1993
IL	Chicago Midway Ap, 3 miles SW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1964
IL	Chicago Midway Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1964
IL	Chicago	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1996
ID	Winchester	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	14	20 in 2002
ID	Saint Maries, 1 miles W of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	17	23 in 1978
ID	Saint Maries, 1 miles W of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	16	22 in 2008
ID	Saint Maries, 1 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1912
ID	Riggins	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	30 in 2008
ID	Riggins	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	29	30 in 1915
ID	Powell	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	10	17 in 1969
ID	Mullen Pass	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1954
ID	Middle Fork Lodge	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	17 in 1985
ID	Middle Fork Lodge	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1985
ID	Middle Fork Lodge	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	15	18 in 2002
ID	May, 2 miles SSE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	8	14 in 1985
ID	May, 2 miles SSE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	9	14 in 2002
ID	May, 2 miles SSE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	13	16 in 2003
ID	Mackay Lost Rvr Rs	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1980
ID	Lewiston Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	29 in 2008
ID	Lewiston Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	28 in 2008
ID	Kellogg	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	23 in 2002
ID	Kellogg	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	20 in 1983
ID	Kellogg	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	22 in 1932
ID	Headquarters	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	20 in 1990
ID	Headquarters	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	13	20 in 2008
ID	Grangeville	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	21 in 1969
ID	Gibbonsville	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	10	16 in 1985
ID	Gibbonsville	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	12	17 in 2002
ID	Elk City, 1 miles NE of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	8	15 in 1987
ID	Coeur D	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	27 in 1896
ID	Coeur D	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1954
ID	Boise Lucky Peak Dam	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	30	31 in 1969
ID	Boise, 7 miles N of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	27	27 in 2008
ID	Bayview Model Basin	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	22 in 2003
ID	Bayview Model Basin	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	15	21 in 2002
IA	Webster City	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1980
IA	Waterloo Muni Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	23	25 in 1983
IA	Tripoli	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	24	25 in 2006
IA	Swea City, 4 miles W of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2006
IA	Swea City, 4 miles W of	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1979
IA	Swea City, 4 miles W of	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	23	23 in 2006
IA	Swea City, 4 miles W of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1987
IA	Spencer Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	21 in 2000
IA	Sioux Rapids, 4 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1987
IA	Sioux City Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	24 in 2000
IA	Sidney	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	28	29 in 2000
IA	Sibley, 5 miles NNE of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1987
IA	Shenandoah	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1990
IA	Postville	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1988
IA	Ottumwa Industrial Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1987
IA	Ottumwa Industrial Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	27 in 1964
IA	Onawa, 3 miles NW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	23 in 1946
IA	Newton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	27	27 in 1895
IA	Newton	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	26	27 in 1898
IA	New Hampton	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1959
IA	Mason City Muni Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	21	25 in 1979
IA	Mason City Muni Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	24 in 2006
IA	Lamoni	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	28	28 in 1932
IA	Elkader, 6 miles SSW of	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	20 in 1988
IA	Eldora	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1987
IA	Dubuque Wso Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	21	23 in 1987
IA	Dubuque Wso Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1964
IA	Dubuque Wso Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	27	28 in 1988
IA	Denison	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1987
IA	Cedar Rapids Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1964
IA	Cedar Rapids Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	27	28 in 2006
IA	Britt	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1919
IA	Ankeny	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	22 in 2000
IA	Ankeny	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	27	27 in 1979
HI	Kailua 446	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	56	58 in 2008
HI	Kailua 446	Wed, 14 Oct 2009	57	57 in 2006
CT	Bridgeport Sikorsky Ap	Thu, 15 Oct 2009	36	36 in 1999
CO	Yuma	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1977
CO	Wray	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1958
CO	Waterdale	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	18 in 1946
CO	Waterdale	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	20 in 1977
CO	Walsh, 1 miles W of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	29 in 1993
CO	Walsenburg	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	21	26 in 1946
CO	Trinidad Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1993
CO	Tacony, 13 miles SE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	26	26 in 1993
CO	Sterling	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	18 in 1932
CO	Sedgwick, 5 miles S of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1987
CO	Rush, 1 miles N of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1990
CO	Pueblo Rsvr	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	23	24 in 1977
CO	Pueblo Mem Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	26 in 1992
CO	Pueblo Mem Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1987
CO	Leroy, 9 miles WSW of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1987
CO	Leroy, 9 miles WSW of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	19 in 1932
CO	Lamar Municipal Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	26 in 1990
CO	Lamar Municipal Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	27 in 1982
CO	Lamar	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1992
CO	Lakewood	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	22	25 in 1990
CO	Lakewood	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	16	22 in 1977
CO	Lake Moraine	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	1	4 in 1946
CO	Lake Moraine	Fri, 16 Oct 2009	3	3 in 1923
CO	Lake Moraine	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	3	6 in 1923
CO	Lake Moraine	Sat, 17 Oct 2009	2	9 in 1948
CO	La Junta Muni Ap	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1977
CO	La Junta Muni Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	23	28 in 1993
CO	Julesburg	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	20 in 1894
CO	John Martin Dam	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	24	24 in 1977
CO	Holyoke	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1948
CO	Greeley Unc	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1987
CO	Grant	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	14	16 in 1990
CO	Georgetown	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	20	25 in 2005
CO	Ft Morgan	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	19 in 1977
CO	Ft Collins	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	18 in 1905
CO	Evergreen	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	13	13 in 1977
CO	Eads	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	19	22 in 1977
CO	Eads	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	25 in 1985
CO	Durango La Plata County Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	25	25 in 1990
CO	Colorado Spgs Muni Ap	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	20	23 in 1987
CO	Castle Rock	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	18	18 in 1977
CO	Canon City	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	22	22 in 1977
CO	Canon City	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	24	25 in 1987
CO	Byers, 5 miles ENE of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	16	21 in 1987
CO	Burlington	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	17	21 in 1969
CO	Burlington	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	21	22 in 1986
CO	Akron, 4 miles E of	Sat, 10 Oct 2009	15	21 in 2000
CO	Akron, 4 miles E of	Sun, 11 Oct 2009	15	19 in 1977
AK	Ketchikan	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	28	30 in 1926
AK	Gustavus	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	24	26 in 2003
AK	Annette Wso Ap	Tue, 13 Oct 2009	34	34 in 1992
AK	Annette Wso Ap	Mon, 12 Oct 2009	33	33 in 1992

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Basil

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October 18, 2009 5:50 am

I haven’t seen an official announcement, but I believe we probably set a new record low overnight here in central AR. It is 33 here in the suburbs, and Intellicast is reporting 38, while the record low is in the 40’s.
For a view of how widespread the cold weather is in the US, check this out:
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/climate/synop/td20091014_e.png

jeroen

October 18, 2009 5:53 am

Notice the snowfall records are mostly broken the previous records from 1 or 2 years back.

Nonoy Oplas

October 18, 2009 5:54 am

These record snow and record low temps in mid-Oct. will hopefully pour some sanity to the world climate “negotiators” and warming bureaucrats when they go to Copenhagen in 1 1/2 months time.

Wade

October 18, 2009 6:20 am

BUT BUT BUT BUT … NOAA said September was the second hottest ever in the world!
(By the way, where I lived showed up slightly warmer than normal. However, our local meteorologists complained several times that the “official” high was too hot on certain days because the official measurement was several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby. I imagine if it showed up too cold, NOAA and the NWS would quickly fix the problem. But since it gives a desired result, it stays like it is.)

Juraj V.

October 18, 2009 6:23 am

Sign from heaven coming in 12:00 hour. Mother nature is having fun with precise timing.
What Debbie Stabenow says this time?

Ack

October 18, 2009 6:24 am

No complaints here, been pretty nice (so far) in Utah.

Bruce Cobb

October 18, 2009 6:27 am

Here in NH, where we pride ourselves on our thriftiness and stoicism about any early-season cold (just wait, it’ll warm up!) we have had the heat “on” since Monday night (the 12th). Normally we manage to go until at least Nov. 1, but we’ve had temps more like mid-to-late Nov. for almost a week now (though it’s supposed to warm up this coming week, I hear).
Oops, you forgot to say “weather is not climate”. Here come the trolls.

M White

October 18, 2009 6:29 am

Some pictures of Europes early snowfall
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-10/17/content_12253690.htm

Pierre Legrand

October 18, 2009 6:33 am

Nonoy Oplas (05:54:58) :
These record snow and record low temps in mid-Oct. will hopefully pour some sanity to the world climate “negotiators” and warming bureaucrats when they go to Copenhagen in 1 1/2 months time.

Why would you expect that? The purpose of Copenhagen isn’t to “fix” anything. It is to break things…specifically our high standard of living.

groweg

October 18, 2009 6:34 am

The usual rejoinder to such data from warmists is that its what’s happening globally, not in any one area that counts. (However, this never stopped them from issuing an incessant stream of “this will be one of the hottest ever” predictions for specific regions which fell flat on their faces.) There must be a time period for, if global warming were really happening, that any one spot on earth, though experiencing varying temperatures over time, would be able to pick up a global warming “signal.” Here in Michigan, it did seem to get warmer through the 1990’s. Over the last ten or more years no sign here of any global warming “signal.” This year temperatures have been chronically and decidedly below average.
How long before just based on everyday observation of weather patterns in one area showing cooling that we can say that statistically speaking, it is highly unlikely that global warming is occurring?
What we have experienced in Michigan over the last thirty years fits solar explanations of climate variability (Svensmark or Willie Soon), with a warming in the latter part of the 20th century coinciding with the solar “modern maximum” that occurred then and cooler temperatures for the last dozen years as the sun has slipped into its present somnolent state. I believe this perspective fits the facts better than that of the warmists with their CO2 theory for which they have no evidence, corrupted temperature data, and worthless computer models that were never tested on any “out of sample” or new data.

Peter Jones

October 18, 2009 7:01 am

This comes at a good time after NOAA anounced on Oct. 17th that the North would have a warmer winter than usual. The Farmer’s Almanac is doing a lot better so far and I don’t think they cost us tax dollars for their service.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 7:09 am

Wade (06:20:08) :
several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby
I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.

Lance

October 18, 2009 7:10 am

Peter Jones (07:01:11) :
Environment Canada proudly announced a ‘warm’ winter for most of Canada in Aug. In Sept, they quietly completely flip-flopped the winter forecast and now shows colder than normal. So far, my climate station has us -7C below normal for Oct. – weather not being climate of course……, but, i’m just following the theme…

D Matteson

October 18, 2009 7:13 am

I also live in New Hampshire and heat (and get my hot water) with solid fuels. I use wood to remove the morning chill up until the last week of October then I switch to coal for a steady warmth.
Last year it was cold enough to switch to coal one week earlier than normal.
This year it has been cold enough to switch to coal TWO weeks early.

Don B

October 18, 2009 7:16 am

Here is the latest NOAA winter forecast, dated October 15, predicting generally warmer and drier weather for the December-February period.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20091015_winteroutlook.html
Didn’t the Old Farmer’s Almanac predict bitterly cold weather?

Michael

October 18, 2009 7:17 am

What we are seeing fits extremely well with the “David Archibald” study. Winter comes early stays longer because spring comes late. According to the Archibald study this is just the beginning.

Retired Engineer

October 18, 2009 7:31 am

Where do these measurements come from? Are we looking at the standard NWS/NOAA -> GISS temps? Stevenson Screens and MMTS? If so, things could be ‘worse than we thought’ if site bias is included.
Of course, record cold is only weather, while record high is climate.

DJ Meredith

October 18, 2009 7:31 am

Would be curious to know how many of the sites reporting record cold were properly sited, maintained and calibrated.
If UHI is a factor, would the corrected temp be even colder?

Håkan B

October 18, 2009 7:35 am

Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)
I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.

Daryl Ritchison

October 18, 2009 7:37 am

Fargo, ND had the coldest first half of October since records started in 1881. (Sioux Falls, SD and the Twin Cites, MN also accomplished the same feat)
Finally a “warm” day today with a high in the 60s for the first time this month.

_Jim

October 18, 2009 7:42 am

Michael (07:17:21) :
What we are seeing fits extremely well with the “David Archibald” study.

Do you have a link/a reference we can look at?
Thanks in advance.
.
.

L Nettles

October 18, 2009 7:53 am

I expect a reversion to the mean.

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 7:53 am

Here’s a nice webcam shot up from 5000 feet up.
5000 feet up where?
North Carolina.
http://www.highcountrywebcams.com/webcameras_Beech_Charlies.htm
Not unheard of…but rather anomalous this time of year.
Oh….I forgot though….. “weather is not climate.”
To them: More like “weather is not weather.”
“Climate is not climate.”
To the rest of us: “AGW is not science.”
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Mike Kelley

October 18, 2009 7:54 am

I have never seen it like this in Montana. Our “fall colors” are hideous. Most trees are an ugly, dull gray. It got so cold so early (2 degrees F. was probably the low here) that the leaves were frozen and killed while they were still green. The heavy snows we got brought down branches and even trees because the leaves had not fallen off yet and held more snow up than would have been the case later on. I lost part of one tree and am still hauling branches to the dump. Early snows are very common here at about 4000 feet elevation, but the cold that came with our recent storms was strange for early October.

Juraj V.

October 18, 2009 8:04 am

SST back to downtrend, MSU channel05 falling free fall, AMO about to flip negative again. This winter will be telling. And it will be just end of beginning intro.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:09 am

groweg (06:34:17) :
The usual rejoinder to such data from warmists is that its what’s happening globally, not in any one area that counts.
It did count when it was Australia. They said, “Australia is burning!”. Why don’t the say now “The USA and Europe are freezing!” ?

Brian P

October 18, 2009 8:09 am

David Archibald Site

Adolfo Giurfa

October 18, 2009 8:10 am

M White (06:29:41) :
Some pictures of Europes early snowfall
How is it going Copenhagen weather?

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:11 am

Håkan B (07:35:48) :
what are all those green circles?
What is the link to the photo you are talking about?

Douglas DC

October 18, 2009 8:30 am

Gene Nemetz (07:09:38) :
Wade (06:20:08) :
several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby
I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.
Håkan B (07:35:48) :
Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)
I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.
Chemult is located at the junction of Hwy 58 and Hwy 97 in central Oregon.
Lots of snow, lots of traffic, lots of pavement.For all we know the Stevenson screen is
located behind the kitchen at the truck stop.
It does sit in an area known only to me as”Walker Range”-named after the large cattle ranch in the area. It sets in a ,well, caldera,everywhere is UP in that place.
From my aerial fire fighting days it’s a place that you don’t want to have trouble with
equipment.A lot like Northern Az. in looks and climate…
Oh those circles are pivot irrigation circles,mainly Potatoes….

Erick Barnes

October 18, 2009 8:34 am

farmers almanac says cold
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/a/could-this-winters-weather-add-to-economic-woes

Douglas DC

October 18, 2009 8:35 am

http://www.chemult.org/ All you ever wanted to know about Chemult,Oregon

Pamela Gray

October 18, 2009 8:59 am

I don’t see any green dots for rainfall records on the map. But your data says there should be some.
REPLY: The interactive map builder leaves them in the color key even if not plotted, I chose to not plot them becuase there were so may theymade the items of interest almost unreadable – A

Mark

October 18, 2009 9:09 am

I would have to call into question some of those high temp records. The ones I question are
1. South of Norfolk (which had a record low although I could think that a stationary front splitting the two might have done it).
2. The high temp records in what appears to be the mountains of West Virginia and Maryland or Pennsylvania.

Håkan B

October 18, 2009 9:14 am

Gene Nemetz (08:11:25)
I looked it up in Google Earth which positions Chelmut at 43° 0’0.00″N and 121° 0’0.00″V, the green circles are just north of Chelmut, but now I’ve found that GE is positioning Chelmut slightly wrong. Googlemaps on the other hand seems to get it right.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=chemult&sll=42.988576,-121.074142&sspn=0.303374,0.617294&ie=UTF8&t=h&hq=&hnear=Chemult,+Klamath,+Oregon&ll=43.230196,-121.337128&spn=0.604356,1.234589&z=10
But the circles are still there just a little farther away.

Pamela Gray

October 18, 2009 9:30 am

The record rain fall would be of interest for those of us comparing El Nino to precipitation. Could you put another map in place for rainfall records only?
REPLY: Pamela there’s no discernible pattern in the rainfall record map, you can look at this yourself using the interactive map builder. -A

Richard

October 18, 2009 9:36 am

According to NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center “El Nino in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean is expected to be a dominant climate factor that will influence the December through February winter weather in the United States, according to the 2009 Winter Outlook”
The NOAA forecast predicts “:Highlights of the U.S. Winter Outlook (December through February) include: Winter Outlook – Temperature
Warmer-than-average temperatures are favored across much of the western and central U.S., especially in the north-central states from Montana to Wisconsin.”
They have shown a Map with most of the USA warmer than usual for that period.
I was curious to see if it was warmer than usual now. So I zoomed in to their 7 day forecast interactive map and saw that snow is likely monday and tuesday in Salt Lake City . Someone here also said it was pretty cold in Oregon. Maybe it will warm up later?
Its not been particularly warm here in New Zealand with snow in spring and Oct. 8, WeatherZone: “Adelaid’s coldest start to October in half a century.” Oct. 16, Reuters: “European cold snap kills four in Poland” shows not particularly warm in Australia and Europe either.
I will be surprised if 2009 turns out to be one of the warmest years of the current warm period as predicted by the warmists.

Pamela Gray

October 18, 2009 9:38 am

Would you please provide the link for the map builder? I am on dial-up in Wallowa County this weekend and it takes forever to move through websites to find stuff.

Richard

October 18, 2009 9:46 am

Pamela Gray (09:38:05) :
Would you please provide the link for the map builder?
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 9:47 am

Mark (09:09:30) :
“I would have to call into question some of those high temp records. The ones I question are
1. South of Norfolk (which had a record low although I could think that a stationary front splitting the two might have done it).
2. The high temp records in what appears to be the mountains of West Virginia and Maryland or Pennsylvania.”
These can all be explained from strong, but normal warm air advection before the passage of the cold front….also keeping in mind these are over a six-day period.
Also…that persistent pesky subtropical high off of the SE coast for the past few years, fed by the positive AMO of the same time period, does not want to go out quietly…hence the reds in Florida.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Doug in Seattle

October 18, 2009 9:51 am

The NOAA forecast is based on a persistent strong El Nino. This forecast was a godsend for the warmists as it coincided with the Copenhagen conference.
Its beginning to look like it will be weak El Nino, and even possibly be back to La Nina by December though. Too bad for the warmists.

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 10:01 am

I think one of the striking things about this map are the widespread light blue dots, showing the record low maxima—the majority of the cold records on the map.
This is a difficult feat for Mother Earth to pull off when the angle of the sun is still pretty high.
Not to mention the longevity of the snow events around the country. Take the 6 inches at Penn State over a couple of days.
Bet Professor Mann was staring out his campus office window looking at the snow-laden still-leafy maple branches and scratching his head about hockey sticks.
Nah! Not unlike the blinding whiteouts on the higher ridge tops around State College a few days ago, he and Hansen and others are caught in their own mental, ego-driven whiteout conditions…and absolutely blind to the truth that is staring them in the face, namely: AGW is not Science!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Richard

October 18, 2009 10:14 am

Here is some more snow news:
Tue 13 October 09: .. record early start in the USA, and following the earliest recorded snowfall on Mt Fuji back in August, comes the first snowfall of the season at Hakuba. Could this be one epic winter?
Wed 14 October 09 Huge dumps on the Austrian Glaciers and in the USA. Southern Hemisphere resorts set to re-open .. up to a metre (40 inches) of fresh snow was reported falling on the half dozen glacier ski areas already open for winter 2009-10 in Austria. The snow fell right down to village level in many areas with resorts like Obergurgl reporting 10cm (4 inches) on village streets.
Temperatures are currently in double-figures below zero at most of Europe’s glacier areas and the snow has stopped for now, to reveal clear skies, although more snow is expected at the weekend.
Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand which has announced it is further extending its season to November 8th, officially making theirs the longest season in the Southern Hemisphere.
18 October 09 Austria ..the mid week storm dumped some serious pow. 150cm fresh on the Hintertuxer glacier, 49 cm in Sölden, 40 cm in Saalbach-Hinterglemm and 30cm in Ischgl.

April E. Coggins

October 18, 2009 10:16 am

Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html
and this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html
Tell me again, who is in denial?

SMS

October 18, 2009 10:33 am

If, as some warmist suggest, the world temperature has risen by upwards of 2 degrees C in the past 100 years; then no (new) low temperature records should be possible.
I guess we can put that claim to bed.
It would be interesting to see how the distribution of low and high temperature records occurs. Is there a pattern between rural and urban?
Cheers,
Steve

Caleb

October 18, 2009 10:41 am

Southern New Hampshire; 1:45 Pm, Sunday Oct 18; snow. 34 degrees.
Looks real pretty, with leaves orange

Caleb

October 18, 2009 10:48 am

Southern New Hampshire; 1:45 Pm, Sunday Oct 18; snow. 34 degrees.
Looks real pretty, with leaves orange and green, dusted with white snow.
Temperatures up towards the pole are above average, because all the cold poured down here.
The old timers called this “Squaw Winter,” which came before the warmth of “Indian Summer.” A very cold Squaw Winter was often seen as a sort of warning, and people would use the following mild spell to rush about getting firewood stacked, and other pre-winter chores done.

Richard

October 18, 2009 11:05 am

If “Squaw Winter” comes before “Indian Summer” then November may well be warmer as predicted by NOAA.
Here is an interesting article from 1922 which tries to figure out the climate.

October 18, 2009 11:08 am

This is the WARMEST it has been on this map for at least 4-5 years the LOW continuous temp anomalies in Paraguay Southern Brazil have been extraordinary over this period.
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp8.html
me thinks it is related to the extraordinary continuous SH ice Anomaly bringing cold air in fronts way beyond its normal range into the sub-tropics ask METSUL Brazil
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

Squidly

October 18, 2009 11:12 am

April E. Coggins (10:16:51) :

It is encouraging to read through the comments however. Seems that the sheeple out there are beginning to wake up and are no longer so receptive to the AGW doom and gloom rhetoric.

Austin

October 18, 2009 11:22 am

The NAM had this nailed and it was an outlier.
Anyone know how that model differs from the others?

matt v.

October 18, 2009 11:26 am

lance
You said
“Environment Canada proudly announced a ‘warm’ winter for most of Canada in Aug. In Sept, they quietly completely flip-flopped the winter forecast and now shows colder than normal. So far, my climate station has us -7C below normal for Oct. – weather not being climate of course……, but, i’m just following the theme…”
Enviornment Canada is still showing above normal temperatures for most of CANADA except the Arctic[ isued Sept 1,2009]
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?
img=ccatemp_06_s_m1
I disagree with this forecast for the southern half of CANADA to be above normal.
If the official forecasters of Canada, UK, US and Europe are all calling for warmer temperatures , there are going to be a lot of red faced forecasters next spring .

rbateman

October 18, 2009 11:27 am

Richard (11:05:26) :
We’re way beyond 1922.
No one in living memory has seen what’s about to happen.
Not even our great grandfathers saw this.
Maybe not even some of our great great grandfathers.
Try 1822 or 1812.
Some things have been forgotten which should never have been forgotten.
Some records have been erased that should never have been erased.

matt v.

October 18, 2009 11:31 am

The full map web page for Enviornment Canada forcast is
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?img=ccatemp_06_s_m1

hotrod

October 18, 2009 11:32 am

Pamela Gray (09:38:05) :
Would you please provide the link for the map builder?

http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/7day/us.html?c=maxtemp,mintemp,lowmax,highmin,snow
Larry

April E. Coggins

October 18, 2009 11:36 am

Squidly, This site can take a lot of the credit for educating non-scientific people like me. I see WattsUpWithThat being cited more and more.

Robinson

October 18, 2009 11:41 am

In other news, a debate has kicked off (again) on slashdot following the Maldives Government underwater meeting. I invite interested readers to reply (requires registration, or you can post as anonymous coward!).

Kate

October 18, 2009 11:48 am

April E. Coggins
Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html
and this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html
Tell me again, who is in denial?
…Reply
We have exactly the same thing in Britain. The kind of brainwashing lunacy we are subjected to on a daily basis can be illustrated by The Telegraph’s website:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6350795/World-has-less-than-five-years-to-stop-uncontrollable-climate-change—WWF.html
It goes on…
“World has less than five years to stop uncontrollable climate change – WWF
The world has less than five years to get carbon emissions under control or runaway climate change will become inevitable, the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) has warned.
Scientists generally agree that the world could keep temperature rises below a dangerous level of two degrees C (3.6 degrees F) if greenhouse gas emissions are halved by 2050.
However a new report from the WWF found this will require a “green industrial revolution” by 2014, with heavy investment in moving from fossil fuels to ‘low carbon alternatives’ like wind, solar, nuclear and clean coal.
It will also mean switching to electric cars and other green technologies and improving energy efficiency by insulating our homes and wasting less electricity.
The stark warning comes as ministers and officials from around the world meet in London for the Major Economies Forum. The MEF was set up by President Obama to give ministers an opportunity to thrash out difficult issues before the world meets in Copenhagen in December to agree a new deal on climate change.
Ed Miliband, the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, will be putting pressure on rich countries, including the US, to sign up to legally-binding targets to cut carbon emissions. The Prince of Wales is hosting a dinner to lobby ministers to sign up to innovative new measures to reduce deforestation, including plans to pay poorer countries not to chop down trees.
The WWF said both rich and poor countries need to start investing in renewable energy and encouraging behaviour change among citizens in order to meet the targets.
The report used economic models to calculate how long it would take for a low carbon industry to grow to a point where it is big enough to cut emissions by 50 per cent.
Keith Allott, Head of Climate Change at WWF UK, said any industry will only grow by 30 per cent every year so the world has to invest in a low carbon industry now to allow the sector to grow to a point where it takes over from fossil fuels by 2050.
He said the UK Government’s current policy does not provide enough incentives for investing in renewables or saving energy.
“Clean industry sectors can only expand so far, so quickly. If we wait until later than 2014 to begin aggressively tackling the problem, we will have left it too late to ensure that all the low-carbon solutions required are ready to roll out at the scale needed if we intend to keep within the world’s remaining carbon budget,” he said.
“This report is a compelling reminder of the scale of effort and the speed of action needed if we’re going to make the global transition towards low and zero carbon economies before it’s too late.”
In a separate report think tank the New Economics Foundation said it will cost the world up to £2.5 trillion to deal with the consequences of climate change like floods, drought and water shortages by 2050. However “rapid decarbonisation’ such as replacing fossil fuels with renewables, will avoid up to £1.3 trillion in environmental costs.
The International Panel on Climate Change recommends that the world cuts carbon emissions in half by 2050 to stand a good chance of keeping temperature rises below two degrees C.”
Related Articles
* Climate change: a tale of two planets
*African elephants could be extinct in 15 years
*Arctic will be ice-free in a decade, according to Pen Hadow
*Council areas fail to cut carbon footprint
*Climate change measures ‘will cause rise in fuel bills’
*Obama ‘must come to Copenhagen to save climate talks’
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The Environment page http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/ has these articles:
Green tour operator abandons carbon offsetting
The eco-friendly holiday company Responsibletravel.com says offset schemes hinder attempts to reduce worldwide carbon emissions.
Arctic will be ice-free in a decade, according to Pen Hadow
The Arctic will be largely ice-free during the summer within a decade, according to new evidence collected by Pen Hadow and his team.
Arrests at power station protest
Nearly 80 people were arrested and three police officers left needing hospital treatment during a huge climate change protest at a power station.
Maldives government holds underwater meeting
Cabinet meeting held underwater to attract international attention to the dangers of global warming.
Tamsin Omond: The climate change protester
Tamsin Omond, 24, is the founder of Climate Rush, a campaign group that protests against airport expansion and calls for tougher measures to control carbon dioxide emissions. Last year she was arrested after scaling the Palace of Westminster to protest against Heathrow’s proposed third runway.
EARTH LINKS
Al Gore: solutions to the climate crisis
Stern review of climate change economics http://actonco2.direct.gov.uk/actonco2/home.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change http://www.ipcc.ch/
——————————————–
All this is just today’s rubbish. More rubbish tomorrow.

Otter

October 18, 2009 11:58 am

Hmmm. I notice the records broken for record highs, are the smallest number on the listing.
What would anyone care to bet that they would be the ONLY numbers the media would speak about in reporting this?

Richard

October 18, 2009 12:03 pm

vg (11:08:36) :This is the WARMEST it has been on this map for at least 4-5 years the LOW continuous temp anomalies in Paraguay Southern Brazil have been extraordinary over this period.
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp8.html
Warmest? How is that? The temperature anomaly map at the bottom of the page shows most of South America way colder than average. But it doesnt say anomaly from what? Must be the average over a certain time period?

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 12:15 pm

Not getting out of the 40s here in Norfolk, VA today.
Another record low maximum coming up….
This is VERY difficult to do around here this time of year as:
1) The sun angle is still pretty high and our latitude is relatively low.
2) The temperature of the mighty Chesapeake Bay (and upwind from us) is still 65 degrees.
3) Global Warming is occurring (har har).
Shows the power of these direct discharges of Arctic air when they first steamrolled across the North American continent a week ago and before…even though the air is modified now for us in the SE.
If this event would have happened the same time in December, the SE US (and the NE) would be digging out from a prolonged, cold, heavy snowfall.
And don’t forget, not one, but TWO weeks ago today….parts of the PAC NW were covered in a thick white coat of snow….barely into October.
Something is going on, folks.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 12:25 pm

Richard: “Warmest? How is that? The temperature anomaly map at the bottom of the page shows most of South America way colder than average. But it doesnt say anomaly from what? Must be the average over a certain time period?”
Vg was saying, if you read the post, “warmest in comparison” to the extraordinary low anomalies there in recent years.
That was his point.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Bernal

October 18, 2009 12:26 pm

I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about with all that cold stuff. We are having the loveliest Michigan October….um…in Tennessee.

Adam from Kansas

October 18, 2009 12:35 pm

Here’s an interesting link on how the record heat in Florida and elsewhere is playing into this along with these cold snaps
http://truthbehindthescience.blogspot.com/2009/10/is-there-something-in-all-this-early.html
Apparently you can expect record heat events during periods where the Earth is cooling due to rapid displacement of warm air or something.

Richard

October 18, 2009 12:38 pm

April E. Coggins (11:36:37), Kate (11:48:21) – This brainwashing is all over the western world.
Run-away global warming is assumed as a fact and schizophrenic talk emanates from this assumption.
In order to “save the world” we must create a commodity out of thin air and tax it. We must tax energy the very basic commodity that helps us to produce and have our quality of life. We must shift money away from productive industries into non-productive ones, based not on economic reasons but on ideological ones – the surest way to get poor fast.
The Global scam is that cap n trade is about ecology, when it is about tax and nothing about the ecology.
The richest nations have the best quality of air and water, the poorest nations have the worst. We can afford to preserve our forests the poor nations chop them down. If we want to save the world we cant do it by getting poor.
As someone said “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else…You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 12:39 pm

Here’s an interesting comparison of Contiguous USA October temps, from 1895 until now.
Got this from sullivanweather’s blog on Wunderground.
http://english.wunderground.com/blog/sullivanweather/comment.html?entrynum=234
Scroll down to the National Contiguous Temperature graph…
This graph is most interesting, besides comparing Octobers, of course, there is NO hockey stick.
Just a nice sine up and down motion.
And I’ll bet once this October is done it will show on the cold side.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

pwl

October 18, 2009 12:42 pm

Brrrrrr… when so many records are broken it’s no longer weather, it’s a climate event as it is stretching the boundaries of the range of weather in a climate zone. When will the soothsayers famous human caused global warming actually kick in?

Richard

October 18, 2009 12:48 pm

What happened to my post? – seems to have been swallowed up

REPLY: Spam filter triggers on certain words. – Anthony

rbateman

October 18, 2009 12:51 pm

savethesharks (12:15:06) :
Something is going on.
The Sun has been in the output defecit mode for about 3 years.
The bill collector now wants payment in full, and he doesn’t take American Express.
The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossesed.

PapyJako

October 18, 2009 12:59 pm

Just for fun :
107 of last week broken cold record were older than James Hansen
123 of last week broken cold record were older than A£ Gor€

Richard

October 18, 2009 1:00 pm

savethesharks (12:39:45) – from Sullivan’s blog
” Unfortunately, those hoping for an Indian Summer following this first major cold blast shouldn’t count on it; this is merely a preview to what’s to come over the next week. One of the coldest air masses on record for this early in the Autumn will be diving straight south from the Arctic..”
With so much of the country expected so far below normal through the first two week of the month, will the record for the coldest October on record fall?
To answer we need to look back at the coldest October on record – 1925. Does this October bear any resemblance to October of that year?
Thus far, yes.”

Robert Wykoff

October 18, 2009 1:14 pm

How cold, and for how long, and in how many places does it have to be before we are below average in temperature. It seemed, 2009 was very cold in a lot of places, but we are still way above average temp all the time. Back in the days when we were below average, the continent must have had permafrost all the way to the tropics

John

October 18, 2009 1:28 pm

In the midst of all the blue dots, there are three red dots (max temps), 2 on the western Virginia border, one on the Tennessee/Kentucky border. Why would they have high temp records in the midst of all the low maximums? Would it be appropriate to investigate these three stations to see if they have unusual heat island effects??

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 1:29 pm

rbateman (12:51:18) : “Something is going on.
The Sun has been in the output defecit mode for about 3 years.
The bill collector now wants payment in full, and he doesn’t take American Express.
The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossesed.”
I hear ya…and the West is not prepared.
Ironically, Russia and their scientists, who give more credence to these things, is.
They have been drilling for oil like mad and working to prepare for the big “GC” (Global Cooling) that their scientists say is going to happen.
Meanwhile in Copenhagen….well, something’s about to be rotten…er um…let’s just say there will be ALOT of rotten things in Denmark coming up shortly.
To lessen the Sun God’s anger, too bad we can’t perform some sacrifices.
I can think of MORE THAN A FEW that have angered the Science God as well…and a list of choice individuals on that sacrifice list….but I will not name names. LOL
Bet you and I…or anyone polled on here for that matter, could come up with a remarkably similar list. Haha
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 1:36 pm

John (13:28:32) :
“In the midst of all the blue dots, there are three red dots (max temps), 2 on the western Virginia border, one on the Tennessee/Kentucky border. Why would they have high temp records in the midst of all the low maximums? Would it be appropriate to investigate these three stations to see if they have unusual heat island effects??”
This chart spans the past week, and earlier on, before the passage of the cold front, there was some warm air advection in the East ahead of the front…nothing unusual really.
I’ll bet if you check those particular “records” they were early in the period, and coincide with the number of record maxima on the SE coast.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Eddie Murphy

October 18, 2009 1:38 pm

That’s what Alexey Dmitriev of the Russian Academy of Sciences said we would see back in 1997. Sharp temperature gradients…
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html
I often go there when puzzled by what is observed… though the translation could have been improved upon, basically much of what he stated we would see… we’ve been seeing.
BAUT forum, upon review, gave him a thumbs up and that’s saying something out of them. I had looked for a “woo woo” labeling.

Invariant

October 18, 2009 1:44 pm

rbateman (12:51:18): Something [fishy] is going on.
The Sun has been in the output deficit mode for about 3 years. The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.
Let’s do some simple math. First we can assume that the variable heat input in the sun cycle is a perfect cosine function with period 11.1 year:
Qsun = Qmax•cos(t/T) = Qmax•cos(t/11.1)
Then we can further assume that the overall global temperature is simply given by the first law of thermodynamics:
m•cp•dT/dt = Qsun = Qmax•cos(t/11.1)
The temperature then becomes:
T = Qmax•sin(t/11.1)/(m•cp) + T0
Sine and cosine are a quarter period out of phase, thus the delay between the two curves is 11.1/4 = 2.8 years which is quite close to the 3 years of rbateman.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sine_cosine_plot.svg
The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 1:53 pm

From seablogger.com:
El Nino Winter
weather by seablogger
NOAA has come out with a forecast for an El Nino dominated winter: cool and stormy in the South, including Florida; wet in California; mild and dry in the north and northwest. I do not agree at present. I am not persuaded that El Nino will strengthen and persist, as NOAA models indicate. This has been an odd El Nino event, starting in May, and showing an asymmetrical distribution of oceanic warmth, with a large warm pool north of the equator in the East Pacific. (This is where hurricane Rick formed.) Recently, patches of cool anomaly have been appearing right in the middle of the El Nino belt. I suspect an early end to this El Nino, and a quick diminution of its effects on North American weather. But we shall see, we shall see.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20091015_winteroutlook.html

Juraj V.

October 18, 2009 1:54 pm

Ski season started earliest in Northern Slovakia (in history of human kind 🙂
It just beat the record early start from 2007
Next week is predicted bellow normal again
Forecast for the first week of November – freezing temperatures from Northern Russia up to Ukraine, 0-5 deg C in central Europe
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html

rbateman

October 18, 2009 2:04 pm

savethesharks (13:29:13) :
hear ya…and the West is not prepared.
Ironically, Russia and their scientists, who give more credence to these things, is.
That’s what turn even me Green with envy.
How come Russia can prepare itself for what every government knows is coming, but the West insists upon laying waste to it’s infrastructure?
Is this another Rod Serling script?
I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
And it’s really coming down.

Klausb

October 18, 2009 2:05 pm

At my place, Frankfurt, Germany, this October is working hard to become
3rd coldest since 1980.
For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.

James F. Evans

October 18, 2009 2:28 pm

Snow covering the football field for the New England patriots vs. the Tennesee Titans Sunday October 18 football game gets the attention of the average pro football fan.
If that kind of weather continues Joe six-pack America will wakeup to AGW fraud in a hurry.
Pass the pretzels…

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 2:51 pm

OT: EARTH-DIRECTED ERUPTION: On Saturday, Oct. 17th, starting around 18:24 UT, a spotless active region in the sun’s southern hemisphere erupted, hurling a faint coronal mass ejection (CME) in the general direction of Earth.
http://www.spaceweather.com

Juraj V.

October 18, 2009 3:12 pm

Klausb (14:05:47) :
For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.
Really? Here in Slovakia we had Jan-Feb close to average (=cold 1960-90 baseline), very warm April (+4 deg C above), average (=cold) June, 1-2 deg C above May-September and now under average October, even its first decade was warm. So up to now, 2009 average is similar to previous years.

wayne findley

October 18, 2009 4:04 pm

Skied Mt Hutt (NZ) Saturday 17th – and the rain/hail late in the day turned to snow overnight. For closing day (18th) there was 4cm of new powder, thoughtfully deposited by Gaia.
Perhaps Gaia is, in fact, a closet powderhound and is, as it were, ‘comin’ out’?

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 4:08 pm

Frost on Pumpkin Debunks Global Warming Tales
http://www.newsmax.com/brennan/global_warming_cold/2009/10/13/271649.html

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 4:26 pm

April E. Coggins (10:16:51) :
“Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html
and this one
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html
Tell me again, who is in denial?”
April,
Why do you think most newspapers are losing their readers?

Robert Wood

October 18, 2009 4:43 pm

NFL quick fact:
Ther Patriots (booh) beat the losers 59 – 0 …. in a snow storm!
This is October 18th guys.
Hey, God, get with the program!!

Chicago Property Management

October 18, 2009 5:33 pm

Global warming/climate change has been the topic for these past few days. If you surf the internet you will see so many sites about it. The whole world is affected by it. I myself have a story to tell – About three weeks ago, we were hit by two very strong storms. We never had that in decades. They left our country with still so many flooded areas, a lot were homeless and lost so many loved ones. Until now, we are still sweeping the streets from mud and tons of ruined appliances drowned from the flood. The effects of those twin storm were devastating. It’s not wet season for us here, but we we were informed that we are still expecting four more storms on this last quarter of the year. And just this morning, local news says, weeks from now, we are expecting a strong earthquake to hit the metro city including the nearby provinces. This is the same Metro city hit by the twin storms. And the news says its all because of global warming/climate change. I’m blithely about the issue before, but when the twin storm hit us plus all the bad news, I thought, I must do something too. To solve the global warming problem, it must be stormed at the national and international levels.But the total success is built upon the action of every individual, regardless of nationality, to conserve energy and live in a greener, cleaner community.

ShrNfr

October 18, 2009 5:52 pm

If somebody wants to stop by Boston today, I can make a ball of “climate change” and throw it at them.

ShrNfr

October 18, 2009 5:55 pm

@Chicago Property Management – The newspapers will blame blizzards on global warming. I have nothing against getting away for ME oil for political reasons, but the balance of the it is bad science and worse propaganda.

tokyoboy

October 18, 2009 6:10 pm

Some MLB games are to be played in the snow?

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 6:22 pm

Rbateman: “That’s what turn even me Green with envy.
How come Russia can prepare itself for what every government knows is coming, but the West insists upon laying waste to it’s infrastructure?
Is this another Rod Serling script?
I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
And it’s really coming down.”
Agreed…and how about them Patriots!
Even if it is Massachusetts, folks, to get near SEA LEVEL significant snowfall in the USA like this, in mid-October, is breathtaking.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

4 billion

October 18, 2009 6:25 pm

It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement 🙂

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 6:37 pm

rbateman (12:51:18): Something [fishy] is going on.
The Sun has been in the output deficit mode for about 3 years. The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.
Invariant (13:44:12) : Sine and cosine are a quarter period out of phase, thus the delay between the two curves is 11.1/4 = 2.8 years which is quite close to the 3 years of rbateman.
Mind-bending post, Invariant. Thank you.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 6:38 pm

Upcoming winter will be a shocker to millions across the world.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Upcoming_winter_will_be_a_shocker_to_millions_across_the_world.htm

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 6:40 pm

4 billion (18:25:31) : “It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)”
Umm….they are not that inaccurate, but they still pass.
The point is, if they are biased warm next to airports and urban heat islands and such, then how much colder than the data shows!!
You backed yourself into that one. 😉
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

J. D. Lindskog

October 18, 2009 6:47 pm

Weather and Climate.
We often read here that weather is not climate. The statement in quite correct, yet weather is the face of the climate, the phenomenon which we humans experience first hand. It is the daily code which we average Joes & Josephines use to evaluate, rightly or wrongly, our view of the climate. The professional weather people like to keep track of surface pressure patterns and movement, citing “The trend is your friend”.
2009 is the year the Bermuda high and the pacific high pressure systems fell apart! Well, not completely, but the patterns have been ill formed most of the year to present. A useful current view can be seen here: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ using the gfdl panel in loop mode.
The pressure gradients create the winds; winds move water, and water moves heat. That is the weather/climate connection for me. Annual changes in surface winds affect ocean surface circulation characteristics as in; velocity of movement, thermal absorption/dissipation (duration of thermal source exposure).
The other major player is the northern hemisphere Jet Stream; https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/efs/cgibin/efs_loop.cgi?strt=0&incr=24&stop=240&imagePrefix=US058VMET-GIFwxg.EFS.nh_sc_5640_&title=EFS%20500%20HPa%20Single%20Contour%20Probability ,
(Note; The Navy and Microsoft do not play well together but, since I am not a party to the certificate dispute, I use it anyway.)
Weather events, fueled by high and low pressure cells, form on either side of the Jet Stream. The seasonal latitude position, stability (loopy-ness), and the velocity (intrinsic energy) move the pressure systems. These two sites provide in a way, an illustration of the daily pulse of the climate.
Many years of weather watching prompts me to use an old cliché as it truly applies, ‘things are different this time’. The major earth climate entities, oceans, jet stream, and atmosphere, appear to be losing energy, i.e. slowing down and cooling.
As to ‘who dunnit’? the jury is still out and I expect will remain so for some time.
Meanwhile, down here on the ranch in a time of change, the opportunists are in full siren song, “Follow me, for I am the Path”. When one is enmeshed in the emotion of the argument (it’s not a debate any longer), the view is lost.

J. D. Lindskog

October 18, 2009 6:54 pm

correction to: J. D. Lindskog (18:47:32) :
A useful current view can be seen here: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ using the GFS panel in loop mode.
Tx for your patience.

J. D. Lindskog

October 18, 2009 7:00 pm

correction to: J. D. Lindskog (18:47:32) :
The other major player is the northern hemisphere Jet Stream; https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/efs/cgibin/efs_loop.cgi?strt=0&incr=24&stop=240&imagePrefix=US058VMET-GIFwxg.EFS.nh_sc_5640_&title=EFS%20500%20HPa%20Single%20Contour%20Probability

Patrick Davis

October 18, 2009 7:00 pm

“Richard (10:14:14) :
Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand which has announced it is further extending its season to November 8th, officially making theirs the longest season in the Southern Hemisphere.”
Some snow falls here in the Australian skii areas last week too, but you won’t hear much about it in MSM. In fact, they don’t mention any downward deviation in tems at all it appears however, they keep stating that Darwin is hot at 35c, which is pretty normal for Darwin.
PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.

J. D. Lindskog

October 18, 2009 7:15 pm

Regarding J. D. Lindskog 18:47:32, Ref; Northern jet stream loop.
a. Use http://www.usno.navy.mil/FNMOC/meteorology-products-1
b. select: Global and Regional Weather Prediction Charts (WXMAP)
Its the NAVY way!
Tx again
J. D.

Retired BChe

October 18, 2009 7:33 pm

The National Wildlife Refuge had a publicity event this Friday, Saturday, and today. Virtually no visitors showed up in the Great Swamp Refuge here in northern NJ, because it was too cold. Our local ham radio club participated by setting up an HF station. One of the contacts on Saturday afternoon was an Alaskan station. The temperature there was 40 degrees F, identical with the temperature here in northern NJ. I don’t think we have hit 70 anytime this month.

rbateman

October 18, 2009 8:16 pm

J. D. Lindskog (18:47:32) :
The major earth climate entities, oceans, jet stream, and atmosphere, appear to be losing energy, i.e. slowing down and cooling.
It began for us in 2008, when the winds went on for weeks on end.
It got worse this year. It is as if the weather (Pressure systems) were stuck.
Who dunnit?
Good question.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:17 pm

Douglas DC (08:30:41) :
For all we know the Stevenson screen is located behind the kitchen at the truck stop.
This is the location of the Chemult, Oregon station.
Lat : 43.2 N
Long : 121.8 W
I don’t know the street address. Do you still go by Chemult? If you do perhaps you could take a lot of photos of the station and surroundings?

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:21 pm

Douglas DC (08:35:43) :
http://www.chemult.org/ All you ever wanted to know about Chemult,Oregon
Except the temp station.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:43 pm

rbateman (14:04:11) :
I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
And it’s really coming down.
Those games usually happen in December.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:53 pm

Robert Wood (16:43:54) :
NFL quick fact:
Ther Patriots (booh) beat the losers 59 – 0 …. in a snow storm!
This is October 18th guys.
Hey, God, get with the program!!
I guess God doesn’t get sleepless nights from Al Gore’s movie like children have been having.
What’s that quote about God laughing?

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 8:59 pm

Chicago Property Management (17:33:20) :
We never had that in decades…..those twin storm were devastating.
I see you chose the usual doom vocabulary.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 9:05 pm

Chicago Property Management (17:33:20) :
but when the twin storm hit us plus all the bad news, I thought, I must do something too.
I think I should do something too.
Here’s my commitment :
–I going to continue to have a cheeseburger when the fancy hits me.
–I’m going to continue to keep my house comfortably heated in the winter.
–I am going to continue to believe the data instead of the pictures of doom that people like you create.

Richard

October 18, 2009 9:15 pm

Patrick Davis (19:00:57) : PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.
Its Ruapehu. It last blew in 2007 when a rock crashed onto some poor guy who lost a leg.

4 billion

October 18, 2009 9:21 pm

savethesharks (18:40:45) :
4 billion (18:25:31) : “It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)”
Umm….they are not that inaccurate, but they still pass.
The point is, if they are biased warm next to airports and urban heat islands and such, then how much colder than the data shows!!
You backed yourself into that one. 😉
So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc would seem to be legitimate records, even taking into account UHI, as there are is consistant record high readings across the area.
James. Australia SA

John F. Hultquist

October 18, 2009 9:21 pm

Håkan B (07:35:48) : Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)
“I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.”
Central pivot irrigation. Look also at 46.047 and -119.45
Search on the phrase [Central pivot irrigation ] on the web or Google images for some explanation and images.

Anthony Watts

Author

Reply to John F. Hultquist

October 18, 2009 9:42 pm

The station is located at the Chemult Ranger Station about 0.7 mi N of the center of town along Highway 97, here’s the exact location
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+43.226494%C2%B0+-121.788567%C2%B0&sll=43.176062,-122.129517&sspn=0.013129,0.021908&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=109200-109576+U.S.+97,+Diamond+Lake,+Klamath,+Oregon+97731&t=h&z=17
The station is a wooden Stevenson screen type. Probably in back of the RS near the parking lot or in a cove on the North side.
Is there anybody that can survey it? – Anthony

Philip_B

October 18, 2009 9:29 pm

Chemult several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby
I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.
Håkan B (07:35:48) :
Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)
I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.
Green circles are irrigated crops and probably the reason for the high temperature. Pump a lot of water into the air and viola, a water vapor greenhouse effect. Enough to raise temperatures by several degrees.

syphax

October 18, 2009 9:30 pm

Talk about confirmation bias!
A cold week proves what, again?
I picked a random date- 9/20- at HAMweather- and got a 10:1 ratio of record high records to record lows. Which proves bupkus.
If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
This data is noise; this post is noise.

Mike from Canmore

October 18, 2009 9:53 pm

This made me chuckle, in a sad kind of way. “US hunters, anglers lobby for climate bill”
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2117530
One quote: “One of their worries, for example, is that the fowl they hunt might not migrate as far south if northern U.S. states become warmer.”
Perhaps they should get the link to this post.

Sandy

October 18, 2009 9:56 pm

“If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
This data is noise; this post is noise.”
If the world was warming then record highs would be required to prove it.
If the world was warming there would be no record lows.
There are an awful lot of record lows.
The world is not warming.
Sorry to pour logic on your faith.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 10:00 pm

4 billion (21:21:23) :
So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc
That is UHI, and El Niño. Those records are just weather. Weather is not climate.
The earth is in a general cooling trend. This cooling trend not predicted in the manmade global warming computer model forecasts.

Eddie Murphy

October 18, 2009 10:06 pm

Rapid increase in Northern Hemisphere snowcover
from 2% below to 2% above 10-yr climatology 14 Oct 09
[img]http://www.iceagenow.com/snowcover-2009-4month.png[/img]
[img]http://www.iceagenow.com/nhmap-14Oct09.png[/img]
URL: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/ (Dr Bob Hart, FSU)
Thanks to Joe D’Aleo for this link
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/ Dr Bob Hart, FSU
Thanks to Joe D’Aleo for this link
http://www.iceagenow.com/Rapid_increase_in_Northern_Hemisphere_snowcover.htm

Patrick Davis

October 18, 2009 10:07 pm

“Richard (21:15:10) :
Patrick Davis (19:00:57) : PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.
Its Ruapehu. It last blew in 2007 when a rock crashed onto some poor guy who lost a leg.”
Anyone, when in a hurry, can make a mistake, said the DARLEK crawling off a dustbin.

John F. Hultquist

October 18, 2009 10:12 pm

Follow on: to green circles, irrigation, humidity, and so on
The irrigation I see is 40 miles to the east in Lake County and not likely to have much to do with the Chemult station. The area in between seems to have been forest that has had extensive clear cuts (timber).
and to syphax:
Lighten up. It’s been a hard week and we need a little relaxation. This is sort of like talking about a movie or TV show over lunch – that is, if we went to movies, watched TV, or stopped for lunch. But think, because of you I now know that SEA experienced a heat wave in January. Thanks for that! Now it is your turn, say something nice.

chuck aka xtnyoda

October 18, 2009 10:12 pm

Thanks!
I just had to blog it!

Patrick Davis

October 18, 2009 10:13 pm

“syphax (21:30:21) :
If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
This data is noise; this post is noise.”
It was 47c in Ashfield, NSW, January 1st 2005. And in the SE part of Australia I live in, it’s been pretty cool these last few summers since. As I mentioned before, long ago in anther thread, last summer, there was a significant drop in the number of flies around (The Aussie wave). I’ll be taking note this summer too.

Richard

October 18, 2009 10:27 pm

syphax (21:30:21) : Talk about confirmation bias! A cold week proves what, again?
If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
This data is noise; this post is noise.
Firstly its not a week. We have been freezing here (NZ) for about a month at least.
SE Australia is a big area. The snowy mountains are in SE Australia – where exactly are you talking about? Were you in SE Australia in January?
Are you still in SE Australia?
Cause its pretty cold there now. QLD temperatures up to 10 degrees below average in the Central West, The Channel Country and the Southeast. Stanthorpe dropped to minus one degree, 10 degrees below their October average.
Inverell and Tamworth coldest October night in 14 years. Armidale coldest October night in 6 years. Tenterfield coldest October night in 23 years. And there was snow in Victoria a few days ago.
You right though – this maybe just noise.
What is not noise however is that Global Warming has stopped now for over a decade.

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 10:29 pm

4 Billion “So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc would seem to be legitimate records, even taking into account UHI, as there are is consistant record high readings across the area.”
UHH….yep they ARE indeed legitimate, James.
But your record maxima pale in comparison to the converse….so do you really have an argument here?
To be fair though…it can be explained as so much warm air being squashed against a deep polar trough. Nothing unusual considering.
Here is the best explanation yet:
“We are likely seeing this record hot October in Florida because of a counter reaction to how cold the atmosphere is across the vast majority of North America, the typical northward migration of mild air in October which normally covers the USA still, even now, is squashed by very cold air that’s dominated the overall picture throughout this past summer and was established a few years ago thanks in part to the La Nina of 2008. Same for here in Western Europe, the vast pool of cold air driving into the European Alps is redircting the warmth towards Britain and the low countries of Western Europe. There is still plenty of warm air around, it must go somewhere and if it can’t, you then see record heat develop as well as unusual warmth in unusual places.”
From Mark Vogan on his blog…..thanks Mark.
Meanwhile James….if you want to form a legitimate argument….you need to set forth legitimate concerns.
Your HOT FLORIDA concern….in light of the rest of the USA being rather BLUE…is not significant.
Even so, the even if it was….the ghost of the AMO still haunts the SE USA like a warm sultry Charleston Spanish-moss draped night….and is a good explanation as any as to the warmth in the SE.
It will not go way easily.
CHRIS
Norfolk, VA, USA

savethesharks

October 18, 2009 10:33 pm

Correction:
It will not go away easily.

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 10:34 pm

syphax (21:30:21) :
I picked a random date- 9/20
The number of heat records broken would have made meant more instead of an ratio. Did you know that taking a longer period of time would have been more fair?
Also, why did you pick a day in a warm month?

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 10:38 pm

syphax (21:30:21) :
(12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
Does the data showing that warming ended in 1998, 11 years ago, change your opinion of anything?

Ron de Haan

October 18, 2009 10:41 pm

Energy Firms Deeply Split on Bill to Battle Climate Change
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/business/energy-environment/19fuel.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Gene Nemetz

October 18, 2009 10:42 pm

syphax (21:30:21) :
This data is noise; this post is noise.
The noise I see here is the incessant noise people like you make to try to keep people distracted form what is really happening with the climate.

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 18, 2009 11:07 pm

Wow!

Norm/Calgary

October 18, 2009 11:40 pm

Notice that almost all these record lows are not in the major cities in their respective states? A few airports were thrown in for good measure.
Could it be that the UHI effect kept the major cities from breaking record lows?

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 18, 2009 11:50 pm

savethesharks

October 19, 2009 12:15 am

“The bias is to the high side.”
Yeah he backed into that corner a while back….but thanks for pointing out again the obvious…and the glaring truth for that matter!
4 Billion! What say ye?? Your arguments are dust.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

4 billion

October 19, 2009 1:06 am

4 billion (18:25:31) :
It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement 🙂
When the bias is to the high side, low reports are notable.
When the bias is to the high side, high reports are mistakes.
The bias is to the high side.
So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.
Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.
James
Adelaide, Australia

klausb

October 19, 2009 1:10 am

Juraj V. (15:12:47) :
Klausb (14:05:47) :
For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.
Really? Here in Slovakia we had Jan-Feb close to average (=cold 1960-90 baseline), very warm April (+4 deg C above), average (=cold) June, 1-2 deg C above May-September and now under average October, even its first decade was warm. So up to now, 2009 average is similar to previous years.
Juray,
Station Frankfurt Airport No. 100637 (DWD)
1997 10.70°C
1998 10.93°C
1999 11.28°C
2000 11.56°C
2001 10.78°C
2002 11.19°C
2003 11.41°C
2004 10.65°C
2005 10.98°C
2006 11.19°C
2007 11.39°C
2008 10.98°C
2009 so far 10.58°C,
when assuming:
8.5 °C for October (so far and guess)
5.0 °C for November
2.9 °C for December

Richard

October 19, 2009 1:23 am

Talk of slanted news – Gordon Brown warns of climate ‘catastrophe’ “Negotiators have 50 days to ‘save the world’ from global warming” – is the fellow just plain stupid? or maybe he also wants the Nobel Peace Prize.
Lets see how temperatures pan out in December, specially in Copenhagen. It wouldn’t be a good look if they are snowed under while arguing for Global Warming, though it did Al Gore no harm when he braved an ice storm to testify about Global warming in the senate and Hansen when he protested during a blizzard.

4 billion

October 19, 2009 1:34 am

Plese disregard last post I missed point, apologies.

Caleb

October 19, 2009 2:08 am

Over at Accuweather Joe Bastardi has been looking at two winters which grew out of a similar pattern, 1951-1952 and 1976-1977. The first was quite mild in the USA northeast, while the second was one of the worst I remember.
Mr. Bastardi suggests the key may well be when the El Nino fades. If it fades now the 1951-1952 winter’s mildness may be in store, but if the El Nino pulses back to borderline-moderate, and then fades during the winter, the east coast will shudder like it did in 1976-1977. Mr. Bastardi was leaning towards the 1976-1977 winter.
I lived on the coast of Maine back then, and recall I could walk over a mile out onto Casco Bay, on the sea ice. Meanwhile it was warm up in Alaska, for the jet stream looped far to the north, and then plunged all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. As I recall there was sea ice even down in Chesapeke Bay.
Winters are like snowflakes; no two are alike, but if this coming winter resembles 1976-1977 a lot of US population centers will be rolling their eyes at the media, for the media will (of course) be focusing on the warmth in Alaska, and ignoring the sea-ice in east coast ports. I’m not even sure the sea-ice in Deleware bay or Boston Harbor gets counted, when east coast winters are especially harsh, but I’m sure less ice up in Alaska will be duely noted, by the people who measure sea-ice.
If a lobe of cold bulges south in the east of the USA, there are often bulges of cold curving south over central Europe and over eastern Asia. Large population centers such as Berlin and Tokeyo would be effected. However when the warmer temperatures in places like Alaska are averaged in, the world-wide average might come in slightly above average, at least until the El Nino fades.
I would guess the satellite readings might be colder, for they would miss the warmer poles. GISS would, of course, make some “temperature adjustments,” and next winter will be “the X warmest ever.” However the people shivering in population centers will get tired of hearing how warm it is world-wide. When you are freezing your bleep off, the last thing you want to hear your elected representative talk about is how warm it is in Alaska.
A winter like 1951-1952 would be best for me, for I have to work outside, and my circulation isn’t as good as it used to be. However I’m actually hoping for a winter like 1976-1977, because I feel the politicians need to squirm a bit. They think they can control the weather, when they can’t even control their spending or their selves? Egos like that need some deflation.

Patrick Davis

October 19, 2009 2:59 am

“Patrick Davis (22:13:17) :
It was 47c in Ashfield, NSW, January 1st 2005. And in the SE part of Australia I live in, it’s been pretty cool these last few summers since. As I mentioned before, long ago in anther thread, last summer, there was a significant drop in the number of flies around (The Aussie wave). I’ll be taking note this summer too.”
Correction, that was Jan 1st 2006. I just closed all the doors and windows and remained in doors, but at least, it was very dry humidity wise, hot yes oh yes, but dry.

rbateman

October 19, 2009 3:09 am

Interesting that the Earth weather is stuck in the same slow progress as the Solar Cycle is stuck in it’s slow progress.
Images of those super-tall highs and lows reaching from the Baja to Alaska at times.
Climate Change you can believe in: Watts Up outside your window.
1976-77 was a stuck weather pattern. Only back then, it was the Eastern half of the country what got whacked.
Now, look at the map of this topic.

Håkan B

October 19, 2009 3:44 am

John F. Hultquist (21:21:56)
Philip_B (21:29:55)
Thanks for the explanation, I guess we here in Sweden are blessed, being irregated from the sky regularly, so I’ve never seen something like this.

Philip_B

October 19, 2009 4:10 am

“syphax (21:30:21) :
If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?
No. A run of 40+C days occurs frequently across most of Australia.
Although, on the same day as the subject of this post 10th October, Perth Western Australia had its hottest 10th Oct on record, 36C. That was after the coldest September in 20 years.
My point being, that cherry picking data proves nothing.
This data is noise; this post is noise.”
Data is never noise. Noise is something that it is in data. But a nice scientific sounding derogatory comment. Ever thought about becoming a climate scientist, syphax? It’s a great career for people who can bandy around psuedo-scientific terms like they know what they are talking about.

SMS

October 19, 2009 4:44 am

The Adelaide airport has a long temperature history. It is located within the city but near enough to the ocean that there is almost no UHI effect.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=501946720004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
SA had a high temperature run last year, along with the rest of Australia; but it doesn’t appear to show up on the average temperature record.
Temperatures this winter have been cooler much longer than the last few years. Not really “climate”, but it should have people here in Australia questioning the Theory of Global Warming.
Cheers,
Steve

DaveF

October 19, 2009 5:05 am

Colder or warmer – we’re going to get the blame anyway. Bless me, Father, for I have sinned; I left the landing light on all night yesterday.

Midwest Mark

October 19, 2009 5:54 am

Yes, yes…my car was coated in ice yesterday morning….the Patriots and Titans played football in a snowstorm in Foxboro yesterday….this has been one of the coldest Octobers on record in this part of the country (following THE coldest July on record)….but the temperature is expected to soar to 70 degrees midweek! There! There is your global warming! I told you so! Ha!

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:12 am

4 billion (01:06:52) :
Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.
Nobody said all.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:17 am

4 billion (01:06:52) :
Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.
You can become informed about Florida land use in relation to temperature readings here :
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/02/10/floridatrend-its-hot-but-dont-blame-global-warming/
Neither the intensity of the heat nor the increasing number of hotter days
was related to water temperatures in the Atlantic and Gulf, a fact that
surprised Winsberg. The heat trends also weren’t consistent across the state. In fact, some areas, notably in the northeast part of the state, saw a shorter hot season and a decrease in the number of dog days.

Richard M

October 19, 2009 7:18 am

While US and northern Europe are quite cold, it appears Siberia is once again very warm. I wonder if anyone has ever removed Siberia from the data and processed it to see how much warming is seen in the rest of the world. If only Siberia is warming, then obviously it’s not global.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:26 am

4 billion (01:06:52) :
So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.
———————–
Nobody ever said this either.
Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.
There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.
The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend. This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.
So as you can see the manmade global warming hypothesis is wrong.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:28 am

4 billion (01:06:52) :
4 billion.
Is that a prediction as to how much money Al Gore will make from global warming? He has already made 100 million.
Just wondering.

Zzzzz

October 19, 2009 9:10 am

Gene Nemetz … on God laughing
Find it in Book of Psalms – Psalms 59:8; 37:13; Job 41:29
God bless you Gene.

beng

October 19, 2009 9:13 am

Caleb (02:08:25)
Caleb, as a former power-plant engineer, what I have an actual concern about is a repeat of the Jan 1994 arctic outbreak, which was concentrated in the populus eastern half of the US & even south to Florida. The power supply & transmission-grid were stretched to the breaking point & large areas barely escaped brownouts/blackouts. Since then there has been little addition or improvement to the systems (& prb’ly ~15% increase in demand), so a similar occurrence could break the system on a large scale.
Being without power when there’s gale-force winds & -15F could be a problem…

Elise

October 19, 2009 9:33 am

What an inconvenient reality.

DaveE

October 19, 2009 10:19 am

DaveF (05:05:03) :

Colder or warmer – we’re going to get the blame anyway. Bless me, Father, for I have sinned; I left the landing light on all night yesterday.

You’ve got no worries mate, I’m against the wall long before you! 😉
I have at least one PC on 24/7/365.25.
DaveE.

October 19, 2009 11:18 am

Speaking about cold autumn – just last week there was a lot of snow in Czech Republic, roads covered, electricity lines torn down by trees faloing under the heavy snow and about 70 000 people without electricity and/or heating. Nice middle of October in the central Europe, isn’t it?
There was even a widespread use of the word “unprecedented” in the news, this time in conjunction with the words “snow” and “cold” which is also unprecedented.
😉

Roger Knights

October 19, 2009 12:16 pm

State College PA is home to Penn State. Philly PA is home to the U. of Penn. Mann is at the U of Penn.
Alas.

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 12:44 pm

4 billion (01:06:52) :
4 billion (18:25:31) :
It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement 🙂
“When the bias is to the high side, low reports are notable.
When the bias is to the high side, high reports are mistakes.
The bias is to the high side.”
So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.
Problem with logic, I see. You have an argument from: taking a true statement and then stretching it to where it did not go, then claiming that the stretch is wrong so the orginal point is wrong. Logic does not work that way (though politicians, lawyers, PR folks, and AGW advocates often do).
That the reports are mistaken from a high side bias does not preclude a record high temperature, it only says that the magnitude will be overstated and that the actual number of such reports will be artificially high by an amount proportional to the high bias.
Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.
Well, they have: http://www.surfacestations.org/
But they will still have had some unknowable number of legitimate records in that “flush” since they did have hot air sucked up over them by the MASSIVE flow of cold air down the center of the country… just not as many as are on the map based on biased thermometers.
Think “Lava Lamp”: When a cool blob sinks from the top, a warm blob is sucked up to replace it. At the bottom, blobs rising from heat suck other blobs down to replace them. Closed system with lateral movement constrained. Similarly the air is shallow. A huge air flow from the north in one place can only flow at lower altitude under so much air, the rest flows north around the southbound flow. What matters is not that tropical air got pulled over Florida so much as that a much larger mass of extraordinarily cold air flowed south and far earlier than usual. That is how the cold is being distributed into the lower latitudes.
Learn to think proportionately instead of “black / white”. It will help the quality of your under standing and avoid silly broken arguments to the extreme…

October 19, 2009 12:56 pm

Hey Roger Knights (12:16:26)–
Fear not, Michael Mann does whatever he does from Penn State in State College Pa. (NOT UPenn), so Prof Mann had to suffer through wall to wall WeatherChannel and NCAA football coverage of the unprecendented mid October snow storm in State College during homecoming week. It’s a beautiful thing.

Adolfo Giurfa

October 19, 2009 1:09 pm

Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :
This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.
With the honorable exception of Theodore Landscheidt et al. (in this et. al. must be included all followers, some present in this forum).

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 1:14 pm

Caleb (02:08:25) : A winter like 1951-1952 would be best for me, for I have to work outside, and my circulation isn’t as good as it used to be.
Circulation cuts back to save heat, it picks up when you have excess, so you need to provide some “excess”. This can be as simple as a hot water bottle under the shirt or a thermos of coffee; or as fancy as electrically heated socks.
I saw an interesting test once where some folks put on the electric socks and their whole body felt warmer. The body was trying to move the heat from the feet and it only one place it could put it …
Oh, and you lose about 1/4 of all heat lost through the head. Long hair, good insulated hat, scarf, hood, whatever. Just keep the top insulated and the feet heated. Then the rest takes care of itself..
I’ve spent hours outdoors in snow and cold with double thick socks / insulated boots, levi jeans, shirt/jacket, and decent top cover: with bare hands that felt fine.
Oh, and you get about a 5% metabolic lift from each major category of “fuel” you eat (fats, carbohydrates, proteins). This is additive (since they use different metabolic paths to be digested and used). So one trick is just to assure your breakfast has a roughly even mix of each. Then you have a 15% metabolic “kicker” warming you compared to the guy who had coffee for breakfast.
There is a reason my Amish farmer ancestors had a breakfast of: Bacon, ham and eggs, jam, toast, hashbrown potatoes or grits cooked with fat topped with cheese, pancakes, lots of butter, real maple syrup … You eat that then do physical work outdoors, you will be plenty warm. (Yes, I’ve done it too… BTW, Grampa died in his ’90s on that diet and it was not from heart problems… )
Oh, and whatever you do avoid 100% of all trans-fats. As near as I can tell it plugs up your fat metabolizing enzymes and not only do you get fat and have heart problems (since you can not burn the fat, it piles up) but you also feel cold and hungry… So no margarine on those pancakes, OK? Real Butter. Butter is good for you. (Most margarines were still 1/3 transfat last I looked about 6 mos ago. You can find some that are not, but why bother.)
FWIW, “Palm Oil” and “Coconut Oil” are also somewhat special. They are classed with the “saturated fats” but this ignores the fact that they have shorter chain fatty acids in them. The short ones (less than about 9 to 12 long I think it was) do not go to the “belly bulge”, they are directly metabolized in the liver immediately. So if you want to feel warm, they warm you up fast. Cocoa Butter is also a short chain, and this is why good chocolate will “warm you up” faster. It has cocoa butter that goes to the liver and is immediately turned into heat and energy. (The cheap stuff these days takes the cocoa butter out and replaces it with a crummy synthetic fat… ricinol ester IIRC. Get the good stuff and be warm 😉 FWIW, butyric acid in butter is only 4 carbons long in the main chain. Butter good, transfat evil. Be warm!

John Finn

October 19, 2009 1:25 pm

Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :
Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.
Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 despite the solar minimum, negative PDO and whatever else. 1998 was an exception.
There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.
I haven’t noticed it.
The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend.
Only if you select a short enough time period which ends with the effects of the 2007/08 La Nina. All 5 main temperature datasets show Sept 2009 to be the 2nd warmest September on record. There is no evidence that significant cooling is underway.

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 1:36 pm

Adolfo Giurfa (13:09:20) :
“Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :
This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.”
With the honorable exception of Theodore Landscheidt et al. (in this et. al. must be included all followers, some present in this forum).
Um, I thought Landscheidt had the good sense to base his analysis on first principles and not use computer model fantasies? I trust first principles far more…
(I’m more of a ‘watching the parade from the sidelines, cheering’ than a follower, but sometimes I run along after the bits I like the most so I can see them again and again… Landscheidt is one of those bits… Just a very clean well thought out presentation that keeps on matching reality with predictions – not projections, real honest predictions – decades in advance. Yes, needs an “acceptable” mechanism filled in. But batting over 800 gets attention… )

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 2:13 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
“Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.”
Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 despite the solar minimum, negative PDO and whatever else. 1998 was an exception.
Playing statistical games, I see. So the peak is an “exception”. Nice bit of data sanitation. Just like the LIA was an exception and the MWP was an exception. Yes sirree, don’t like a data point, just iron it out of existence…
“There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.”
I haven’t noticed it.
Not exactly a surprise. One needs both open eyes and an open mind to clearly observe reality. We’ll see an example just a bit below…
“The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend.”
Only if you select a short enough time period which ends with the effects of the 2007/08 La Nina. All 5 main temperature datasets show Sept 2009 to be the 2nd warmest September on record. There is no evidence that significant cooling is underway.
OR if you chose a long enough time period. There is an interesting study of this “cherry pick by time period” with graphs of gradually lengthening time periods showing progressive swaps of trend from cooling (now), to warming (baseline a bit further back), to cooling, to warming, to…
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/how-long-is-a-long-temperature-history/
Where you can see that the 1880 “start of history” for GIStemp is a great “cherry pick” of a starting point. We warm from there. But we are flat from 1720. And on a longer term, we are consistently cooling for the last 10,000 or so years. Take a look at the holocene on this graph (part of the above link too):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ice-core-isotope.png
First off, notice that the LAST interglacial was significantly warmer than now at peak. Gee, no tipping point.
Then notice that the holocene has been steadily down hill and still is.
With that context, all the rest of the “new ice age in 1970s” and the “AGW now” can be seen as simply the result of being too short sighted to see that we are on a cyclical temperature rollercoaster from natural cycles that give us 11 year, 30 year, 60 year, 176-210 year, 300 year, and even a 1500 year (Bond Event) cycles.
Depending on where you choose to start time, you can get any “trend” you like, warming or cooling, with one exception. If you take a very very long time, you see that we sit on top of a very tiny peak of warm in a millions years long cycle of such peaks in a flat series. From that point of view, we MUST and we WILL get colder. Much colder. (The nice bit is it will take a few hundred to thousands years to notice much). And on the time scale of 10,000 years we are clearly in a relatively gentle downtrend.. headed for a cold cliff. And on the time scale of 1000 years we’ve hit a cyclical local peak and are ready to roll down. AND on the very local 10 year time scale you can see the same sin wave peak in the span of time you chose, if you don’t play statistical games with it but just step back and look at it.
Oh, and per the temperature series, I no longer trust them. If you look at the thermometers themselves (NOT the manipulated series) you get a very different view. For example:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/the-northern-hemisphere-what-warming/
where we see that the “warming” seems to come in a step function right when the thermometers are pruned heavily. Not much of an evil CO2 signature in a dead flat trend that jumps up in one decade with a good thermometer pruning…
One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator. Another has lost its data (“The Dogs Lunch” i.e. Hadley). I’m not very impressed with any of the massaged data series… The thermometers have problems enough, what’s done with them after that is just horrid.)

John Finn

October 19, 2009 2:45 pm

E.M.Smith (14:13:21) :
Playing statistical games, I see. So the peak is an “exception”. Nice bit of data sanitation. Just like the LIA was an exception and the MWP was an exception. Yes sirree, don’t like a data point, just iron it out of existence…
We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998. The last 5 year period (2004-2008) was warmer than any other 5 year period in the satellite record. The 5 year period before that (1999-2003) was the second warmest, (1994-1998) the 3rd warmest and so on. It isn’t cooling.
As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them. When did the LIA start/end? What evidence is there that the LIA was in fact a simultaneous global event? Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?

John Finn

October 19, 2009 3:12 pm

One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator.
Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

pfwells

October 19, 2009 3:17 pm

I have been keeping track of temperatures as reported by Public Service of NH for some time. Due to a couple of factors they did not make the January temperatures available, but since then have given them on a monthly basis with the temperature for the comparable previous year period.
I have summed the discrepancies for the 8 months of the year available to date. The sum is minus 12 degrees F. That is an average of 1.5 degrees below last year. I am sitting here looking at snow on the ground in October for the first time in the 40 years I have lived in this town in SW NH.
A couple of years ago I did a statistical analysis of the trend for the previous dozen years average temperature. It was dead flat. Ove that same time human carbon dioxide emissions worldwide increased 25% per calculations from Oak Ridge scientists.
The above is only a part of my personal observations on the matter, all of which paint a consistent picture. Someone will have a lot of explaining to do in order to convince me that carbon dioxide is a significant factor in our climate.

Richard

October 19, 2009 4:45 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 ..
How can you include 2009? 2009 has not ended yet. Julius Caesar scoffed the soothsayer “The ides of March have come” – “Aye but not gone”
The years 2000 and 2008 have been cooler than 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1998
The warming may not have “ended” but it stopped in 1998 if you take the trendline.

matt v.

October 19, 2009 4:55 pm

john finn
You said “There is no evidence that significant cooling is underway.
No one is saying significant global cooling is underway, but global cooling is underway. Regionally there is significant cooling.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to:2010/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to:2010/trend

Frank Mosher

October 19, 2009 5:13 pm

John Finn. Sorry. The UAH anomaly reached .76 in 1998. Now at .42. There can be NO uptrend without new highs. If you had 76 dollars in 1998, and 42 dollars in 2009, you are not getting wealthier. No amount of squirming can change that fact. When exactly will the 1998 highs be exceeded? We all have been waiting a LONG time for your answer. fm

Richard

October 19, 2009 5:16 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998..
There was a step increase in 1998. There has been no increase since then. We have to wait for another 5 years to get the true picture.
This year is not warmer, so far, than many years since 2000 and is unlikely to be.
To say that “The last 5 year period (2004-2008) was warmer than any other 5 year period in the satellite record. The 5 year period before that (1999-2003) was the second warmest, (1994-1998) the 3rd warmest and so on.” is to harp on the obvious.
The next 5 years will tell if we will continue to warm, as predicted by Hansen and Hadley, or we will cool contrary to the AGW hypothesis.
The frantic screams that “we must act now” to commit insane economic harakiri in order to “save the world” is because perhaps the evidence is mounting that we will cool, which if true then Hansen and his like should be given the same treatment he is recommending for sceptics.

Richard

October 19, 2009 5:21 pm

Frank Mosher (17:13:50) : John Finn. Sorry. The UAH anomaly reached .76 in 1998. Now at .42
Where did you get that figure of .42 from? are you comparing a month with a year? You have to compare the average of Jan to Sept with Jan to Sept of other years and 2009 is not the hottest of this decade by any means. I did do it somewhere cant be bothered to find it

Evan Jones

Editor

October 19, 2009 5:22 pm

Mondale pointed out that average inflation under Reagan from 1981 – 1984 was higher than under Carter.
Well, Mondale was right. Of course, Mondale was also being ridiculous.
Reagan dryly responded that if the Carter administration were a book, you’d have to read it from back to front to get a happy ending.
Inflation was decreasing, just not as fast as it had increased. That’s what’s been going on since 2001 re. temperatures.

Frank Mosher

October 19, 2009 5:44 pm

Richard. The .42 anomaly was the number given by Roy Spencer, for the lower troposphere for Sept. 2009. The .76 anomaly in 1998, (April), has not been exceeded since. fm

Vox

October 19, 2009 5:57 pm

Maybe Chemtrails really do work. We’ve certainly had enough of them, over a long enough period, for them to affect the weather (and our health).

Richard

October 19, 2009 6:25 pm

Frank Mosher (17:44:29) :
Richard. The .42 anomaly was the number given by Roy Spencer, for the lower troposphere for Sept. 2009. The .76 anomaly in 1998, (April), has not been exceeded since. fm
Not the right way to compare. You are comparing Sept with April. The average so far (for 9 months from Jan to Sept is 0.23 that in 1998 was 0.59)
Year Jan to Sept Average
1998 0.59
2002 0.33
2003 0.24
2004 0.18
2005 0.33
2006 0.24
2007 0.32
2008 0
2009 0.23
You can see 2009 is nothing exceptional

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 6:56 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.
Sure it is. And would that be red Koolaid or green?
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/how-to-cook-a-temperature-history/
Where you can see a bit of “cooking” in the last couple of years. Oh, and do look at the “what warming” link above. It, too, shows why I’m not going to buy any temperatures after about 2004 when the Data Langoliers began eating the thermometers.
As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them.
They are well defined already. I see no need to indulge on this.
Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?
Oh, I don’t know, little things like first hand recorded observation, historical records, period paintings. You know, “evidence” as opposed to computer generated model fantasies. (And I don’t say “fantasies” lightly. I’ve run a Cray site where we did plastic flow modeling. I’ve been “in the business”. The temp series break so many standards it’s worse than a bad joke).
BTW, it’s not thermometer records that I object to. It is the homogenized data food product produced from them via data manipulation.
Also, FWIW, this is the GHCN thermometer data (not GIStemp data food product) for near the end of the LIA and encompassing the Year Without A Summer. Format is year, 12 monthly averages, annual average, thermometer count.

1809 -3.7  1.3  1.8  4.6 13.8 16.1 18.0 18.1 14.1  8.3  2.3  1.9  8.0  35
1810 -2.6 -1.4  3.2  6.6 11.8 15.2 17.9 17.7 15.7  8.8  3.9  1.3  8.1  35
1811 -3.7  0.4  5.4  8.3 15.7 19.0 20.0 18.1 14.4 11.4  5.1  0.9  9.5  36
1812 -3.5  0.4  1.8  5.0 12.8 16.4 17.5 17.9 13.0 10.1  2.0 -4.7  7.3  38
1813 -3.4  2.0  3.4  9.5 13.8 16.1 18.3 17.5 14.4  8.6  4.2 -0.2  8.6  42
1814 -4.1 -3.8  1.5  9.4 10.7 15.7 19.4 17.8 13.1  8.5  4.8  1.8  7.9  40
1815 -3.9  2.0  5.3  8.9 13.9 16.5 17.1 17.3 14.1  9.9  3.1 -1.2  8.5  38
1816 -0.9 -1.8  2.5  8.1 12.0 15.9 17.2 16.4 13.8  9.3  3.6  0.1  8.0  42
1817  1.7  2.8  3.5  5.7 13.1 17.5 18.2 17.8 15.1  6.8  5.1 -1.4  8.8  43

While this is a bit later:

1876  2.9  3.8  5.9 11.3 15.0 19.8 21.6 20.9 17.0 12.3  6.8  1.6 11.5  400
1877  2.0  5.2  6.2 11.0 14.8 19.6 21.5 20.9 17.4 12.7  8.4  5.9 12.1  413
1878  3.4  5.7  9.5 13.3 15.9 19.5 22.0 21.6 18.2 13.6  8.6  2.9 12.8  447
1879  1.9  3.7  7.9 11.6 16.1 19.3 21.5 20.9 17.5 14.3  7.6  3.1 12.1  462
1880  4.8  4.6  7.0 11.9 16.9 19.6 21.3 20.9 17.8 12.5  6.0  3.2 12.2  472
1881  0.0  2.3  5.8 10.6 16.6 18.8 21.6 21.1 18.0 12.3  7.1  4.6 11.5  531

Gee, look at that, the LIA was colder. Who knew?
Also, this is the middle of the “modern CO2 driven heat furnace of death”:

1981  0.2  2.5  6.1 12.4 15.3 20.6 22.5 21.5 17.7 11.9  7.0  1.6 11.6 1657
1982 -2.4  0.7  5.6 10.2 16.6 18.9 22.3 21.3 17.8 12.3  6.5  3.6 11.1 1564
1983  1.5  2.7  6.3 10.2 15.2 19.5 22.9 22.9 18.3 12.8  6.9 -0.9 11.5 1562
1984 -0.5  2.6  4.6 10.5 15.8 20.3 22.1 21.9 17.3 12.9  5.9  2.0 11.2 1622
1985 -2.6 -0.3  6.4 12.4 16.7 19.5 22.2 21.3 17.5 12.7  5.6 -0.5 10.9 1620
1986  1.1  1.1  7.1 12.1 16.5 20.8 22.5 21.1 17.8 12.5  6.0  1.7 11.6 1618

To paraphrase someone about questionable foods:
“Where’s the Heat!?”
But when we get to the last decade and the Data Langoliers start eating the thermometers, we get a sudden very out of character “warming” largely concentrated in a couple of winter months. This pattern is strong enough that fraud investigations have been started by less (yes, I’ve caught folks on the strength of less and they were proven guilty on further invesitgation).

2003  0.1  0.9  7.0 11.9 16.7 20.4 23.7 23.7 18.6 13.6  7.5  2.7 12.2 1039
2004 -0.4  1.8  8.6 12.3 17.5 20.5 22.7 21.5 19.5 13.8  8.1  2.6 12.3 1039
2005  1.3  3.6  6.1 12.3 16.0 21.5 24.0 23.2 20.3 13.8  8.1  0.9 12.5 1022
2006  3.9  1.8  6.5 12.9 16.6 20.3 22.4 21.4 18.1 13.5  8.9  5.9 12.6  999
2007  4.8  3.5  9.2 12.7 17.2 20.2 21.7 22.1 18.4 14.2  7.9  4.8 13.0  223
2008  4.0  5.2  8.8 12.8 16.7 20.1 22.2 21.6 17.7 13.5  8.6  4.3 12.9  225

Notice the step function in January as the thermometers are taken out back and shot? Gee, same thing happens in December… (August, not so much… guess CO2 does take summers off…
So you can keep the kool-aid, thank you very much. I’ll stick with well tended thermometers. If I can find any kept alive…
John Finn (15:12:43) :
One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator.
Would this be GISS?
Yes it is. I’ve documented it’s ills and I have it running about 4 feet away from me as I type this.
Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.
When one has a known broken clock, and another one agrees with it, that is grounds for investigating the second clock, not trusting the first one.
I also notice you neatly left out the recent Langolier Years…
GIStemp is broken. Demonstrably so (as I’ve demonstrated). Anything that agrees with it needs investigation…
And a question I’ve asked a few times, that all ways seems to be ignored (that leads me to believe it is a very important question…)
Were these satellites calibrated against the ground series? If not, then how?
BTW, GIStemp does it’s data fabrication by “rewriting the past” of a thermometer history. It neatly cuts off this behaviour at the start of the satellite data… Think about it. i’ll wait. (I’ll be continuing to work on uncovering what is increasingly looking more like fraud than stupidity, but I’ll be waiting while I work.)

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:34 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
No year since 1998 has been warmer than 1998. There has been a cooling trend since then. The world can feel the cooling trend. Are you insisting that people cannot feel the cooling? Are you suggesting we should believe you rather than our senses?
Global warming ended in 1998. The data shows this. The data is more important than your political spin.
The earth has always warmed and cooled. It is normal.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:50 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
I haven’t noticed it.
You must not watch weather reports on tv. Or you are in denial. Or both.
I suppose it must be hard for you to watch the earth cooling. I can guess it’s like watching a sports team that you want badly to win but it is losing with little chance of a come back before the game ends.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 7:56 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
I haven’t noticed it.
But you must be noticing that predictions made by Al Gore and other manmade global warming advocates are not coming to pass.
Or has there been revisions to the predictions so it can appear they are happening?
I know there was a change made in terminology : ‘global warming’ changed to climate change’. Warming stop and change was happening. Oops, better call it climate change.

Richard

October 19, 2009 8:05 pm

E.M.Smith (18:56:20) Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.
When one has a known broken clock, and another one agrees with it, that is grounds for investigating the second clock, not trusting the first one.
GIStemp is broken. Demonstrably so (as I’ve demonstrated). Anything that agrees with it needs investigation…
And a question I’ve asked a few times, that all ways seems to be ignored (that leads me to believe it is a very important question…)
Were these satellites calibrated against the ground series? If not, then how?
I’m listening now. Maybe Dr Spencer can answer this question? Or Anthony?

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 8:31 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.
Oh, and I’d dispute this as well. Using the same “best thermometer” data directly from GHCN. Notice that 1990 has a total of 12.9 while 2006 is 12.6C. I’ve left out the two worst Langolier Years (2007, 2008) as they are too corrupted by thermometer change to be usable. So we’ve been cooling since 1990.
There was a Blip in 1998 to 13C, then we drop back through 12.5 and 12.2, just as we rose through them in 1992, 1994, 1995, on our way to the 13 peak. Exactly what one would expect from a local peak with a ramp in and back out and with a 10 ish year ripple from solar cycles.
Now as to what is happening NOW in 2009. Well, since we’ve seen that the thermometer composite instrument has been broken by thermometer deletions, I suggest looking out the window. See all the white stuff in the world, that is snow. Lots of it. Oh, gee, even easier, look at the graph up top of the posting…

1990  3.7  4.6  8.4 12.0 16.0 20.9 22.6 22.3 19.4 13.6  9.0  2.9 12.9 1634
1991  0.8  4.9  7.9 13.0 17.8 21.1 23.2 22.6 18.7 13.6  6.2  3.5 12.7 1391
1992  2.4  4.9  7.7 12.0 16.6 19.9 22.1 21.1 18.5 12.9  6.3  1.8 12.1 1198
1993  0.8  0.5  5.7 10.9 16.9 20.5 23.2 22.8 17.9 12.5  5.6  2.4 11.6 1179
1994 -1.1  0.6  7.4 12.5 16.4 21.9 23.1 22.2 19.0 13.4  7.9  3.6 12.2 1091
1995  1.4  2.9  7.3 11.0 16.0 20.6 23.7 23.9 18.5 13.6  6.0  1.5 12.2 1068
1996 -0.4  2.0  4.4 11.0 16.7 21.2 22.8 22.4 18.1 12.9  5.1  2.1 11.5 1068
1997 -0.2  3.2  7.7 10.0 15.5 20.7 23.1 22.1 19.2 13.0  5.9  2.3 11.8 1058
1998  2.4  4.7  6.1 11.7 18.1 20.9 23.9 23.3 20.7 13.7  7.9  3.3 13.0 1053
1999  1.2  4.5  6.2 12.2 16.6 20.8 24.0 22.8 18.6 13.0  9.2  3.1 12.6 1059
2000  1.0  4.6  8.5 11.9 17.8 20.9 23.0 23.2 18.8 13.6  5.1 -1.4 12.2 1057
2001  0.3  1.8  5.6 12.7 17.6 20.9 23.5 23.4 18.6 13.0  9.6  3.6 12.5 1047
2002  2.6  3.5  5.6 12.7 15.9 21.8 24.3 22.9 19.9 12.1  6.5  2.3 12.5 1040
2003  0.1  0.9  7.0 11.9 16.7 20.4 23.7 23.7 18.6 13.6  7.5  2.7 12.2 1039
2004 -0.4  1.8  8.6 12.3 17.5 20.5 22.7 21.5 19.5 13.8  8.1  2.6 12.3 1039
2005  1.3  3.6  6.1 12.3 16.0 21.5 24.0 23.2 20.3 13.8  8.1  0.9 12.5 1022
2006  3.9  1.8  6.5 12.9 16.6 20.3 22.4 21.4 18.1 13.5  8.9  5.9 12.6  999

Unfortunately, due to thermometer deletion, anyone and any data series that depends on GHCN is now broken; and has been since 2006/2007.
Stick a fork in him Pablo, he’s cooked.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 8:34 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
La Nina in 2009?? Is that how you explain the cooling this year?
You pick September 2009 out of the data, a single month. This of course is wrong, as your side continually points out—even you point out, i.e. “Only if you select a short enough time period…”. But when it suits your purposes you break your own rule.
One month of warm temperatures caused by el Nino is not climate. It is a normal variation in weather. For example, look at the el Nino of 1998 and how it caused a spike in temperatures. It was not manmade. It was natural. And the warming of September 2009 was natural too. It was not manmade.
Also, you guys used to love 1998. It was such a good friend of yours. You wanted to say it showed the dramatic warming caused by man. But then the earth started cooling and 1998 became your enemy. Now you attack it with your best distracting efforts.
Furthermore, you can see how the current cooling trend in the earth caused by the quiet sun has kept this el Nino spike lower than 1998’s.
The earth is in a cooling trend. Your computer models never predicted cooling.
Will you admit your computer models are wrong?
You unknowing already have by saying la Nina has caused cooling. La Nina cooling was not predicted in your manmade global warming computer forecasts. So as you can see you have indeed changed the predictions. What changes will be coming in the future?
Secondly, your computer models did not account for H2O correctly. They are wrong there too.
It’s ok to admit you were wrong John.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 8:41 pm

John Finn (13:25:50) :
1998 was an exception.
——————————
How convenient.
But…
If the el Nino spike of 1998 is an exception to you then to be consistent the el Nino spike of September 2009 is an exception too.
So, going by even your line of reasoning the earth is in a cooling trend.
————————–
But even with the September 2009 temperatures the earth is still in a cooling trend.
Nature is showing that you, Al Gore, and all others like you, are wrong.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 8:54 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) :
As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them. When did the LIA start/end?
What is the point of this question? Does it seem important to you? If there is not an exact date pinned down and agreed upon by all for these does that mean they did not happen??
Are you going to revise history and say they did not happen?

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 8:56 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) :
What evidence is there that the LIA was in fact a simultaneous global event? Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?
What a troll you are John.
Oh, how you are an expert on everything!

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 8:58 pm

John Finn (14:45:45) :
Vikings grew crops on land in Greenland that is now permafrost.
Or, are you going to revise history and say they didn’t?

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 9:09 pm

John Finn (15:12:43) :
Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.
Of course the trend is similar. But similar is not same.
And the readings are neither similar nor same. GISTemp has higher readings, much higher, off the chart higher.
Isn’t it a bad mark for your side that a radical environmental activist, James Hansen, has GISTemp data pass through his hands before it makes it to the public?

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 9:12 pm

John Finn (15:12:43) :
Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.
————
This is misleading John. You aren’t fighting fair boy-o. You make it appear that the actual temperature readings are similar.
But they aren’t.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 9:18 pm

Frank Mosher (17:13:50) :
You didn’t catch his sophistry Frank. He said ‘trend’ not ‘readings’. And he said ‘similar’ not ‘same’. Similar has a wide range of meaning–wide enough to serve John Finn’s purposes and allow him to still say he isn’t lying.

Gene Nemetz

October 19, 2009 9:22 pm

E.M.Smith (20:31:42) :
Stick a fork in him Pablo, he’s cooked.
But can I vote for Pedro?

Richard

October 19, 2009 9:29 pm

Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.
The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.
I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 9:44 pm

The more I think about it, a great little project for someone, even without a lot of computer skills (or maybe even better done by someone no so encumbered by a focus on minutia 😉 would be a FOIA investigation into the Thermometer Langoliers.
A Freedom Of Information Request of NOAA and NASA and anyone else who is involved in the care and feeding of the CHCN asking for all documents, emails, and history surrounding the decisions to delete thermometers in the 1990 to 2009 period ought to be a gold mine. Especially those meeting announcements and schedules of exactly whom was in the meetings and being a decision maker.
Someone decided to cook the data by deleting thermometers. I’d like to know who.
I’m too much in the technical weeds to take on another project right now and don’t know enough about the FOIA stuff to do it. But for someone skilled in such things…

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 9:58 pm

Gene Nemetz (21:22:36) :
E.M.Smith (20:31:42) :
Stick a fork in him Pablo, he’s cooked.
But can I vote for Pedro?
At this point GHCN data are an artificially warmed fondue pot full of fermented cheesy bits… Plenty of room for lots of forks. “Y’all Come!” as my Uncle Ken From Texas likes to say 😉
So bring Pedro, Alphonse, Jillian, Marie, Klause, PIerre, Running Deer, …

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 19, 2009 10:03 pm

E.M.Smith (21:44:21) : … care and feeding of the CHCN asking for …
Clearly that was supposed to be “GHCN”… (reading glasses on,then post…)
Reply: Perhaps you were thinking CHCN COOP ~ ctm

Graeme Rodaughan

October 19, 2009 10:04 pm

Richard (21:29:39) :
Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.
The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.
I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”
Bizarre isn’t it. Global warming as an artefact of instrument location bias.
It only has to explain 0.4 degrees of warming to explain the AGW part of the record…

E.M.Smith

Editor

October 20, 2009 1:25 am

E.M.Smith (22:03:17) :
E.M.Smith (21:44:21) : … care and feeding of the CHCN asking for …
Clearly that was supposed to be “GHCN”… (reading glasses on,then post…)
Reply: Perhaps you were thinking CHCN COOP ~ ctm
Oh dear… This is the time I hate. Someone has given me plausible deniability and I have compulsive accuracy problems…
In all the times I’ve read CHCN COOP I never realized it wasn’t G-HCN COOP. And I really was thinking GHCN. And it really is the truth that I marginally don’t need “readers” so I often skip the “now where did I leave them…” step for a quick read. And when I do that I can’t quite always see the little 2 pixels that makes a C into G on my 12 inch laptop screen (that has a couple of dark “dead pixels” so has taught me to ignore one pixel errors) …
I try to remember to always find the readers for proof reading… then I have a quick comment and the readers were left somewhere in the kitchen and; well, the rest as they say is hIst0ri :-}
Reply: Dude…you could at least appreciate the joke. ~ctm

John Finn

October 20, 2009 2:36 am

Gene Nemetz (21:09:20) :
…
And the readings are neither similar nor same. GISTemp has higher readings, much higher, off the chart higher.
Do you understand anomalies? It would appear not. GISS anomalies are relative to a different base period (1951-1980) than UAH anomalies (1979-1998). Since 1951-80 was cooler than 1979-98, it follows that GISS anomalies will be larger (bigger numbers) than UAH anomalies. However, if you use the same base period you’ll find that GISS and UAH are remarkably similar considering they are measuring quite different layers of the atmosphere. September 2009 is a good example.
GISS has quite a nice featue which allows you to select the base period. In the following link I have selected 1979-1998 (i.e. the same as the satellite base period)
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2009&month_last=09&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=09&year1=2009&year2=2009&base1=1979&base2=1998&radius=1200&pol=reg
If you look in the RH corner of the the plot you will see the anomaly, i.e. 0.45, which is bang in the middle of the UAH (0.42) and RSS (0.48) anomalies. GISS anomalies are not “off the chart” as you say.
Hadley anomalies are calculated relative to the 1961-1990 base period. This is a slightly warmer period than GISS uses so again we would expect GISS to have slightly bigger numbers than Hadley.
GISS does appear bloated on occasions but seems to be related to the GISS extrapolation over the arctic. If you look at the WUWT link to polar temperatures you’ll notice that the arctic has been relatively warm recently which could have an impact on the GISS October anomaly.
Another reason for discreancies between the various anomalies is the lagged response due to ENSO fluctuations. The surface tends to respond quicker to El Nino/La Nina events. Earlier this year (~June) you may have noticed that the surface anomalies were quite high compared to the satellites but in the following months the satellite anomalies “caught up”.
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Richard (21:29:39) :
Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.
The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.
I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”
If you’re trying to say what I think you’re trying to say – you’re wrong. The global average is not calculated from an average of all the thermometer readings.

John Finn

October 20, 2009 2:52 am

E.M.Smith (20:31:42) :

John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.

Oh, and I’d dispute this as well. Using the same “best thermometer” data directly from GHCN. Notice that 1990 has a total of 12.9 while 2006 is 12.6C……
I’m sorry but I’m not sure what are you’re doing here. What do you mean by “best thermometer” data? What’s the source for the data?
….and, more importantly, how come you think we’ve been cooling since 1990 while the UAH satellite record says we’ve been warming at ~0.16 deg per decade.
Rest assured when I wrote that “this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998” I had checked this was true for UAH.

John Finn

October 20, 2009 3:39 am

E.M.Smith (18:56:20)
Oh I see. You’re talking about US warming and cooling. Most of us think it’s a global thing which is not specific to just 2% of the earth’s surface. I did have a quick look at your “analysis”. I am a bit puzzled as to how you are happy to draw conclusions from just 30-odd thermometers in the early 19th century but 200+ more spatially representative thermometers is “cooking the record”.
Give me a link to your data and we can check it against USA48 anomalies in the UAH record.
Gene Nemetz (19:50:14) :
John Finn (13:25:50) :
I haven’t noticed it.
You must not watch weather reports on tv. Or you are in denial. Or both.
Same problem E.M. I notice. You need to understand that the other 98% of the world doesn’t necessarily get the US weather reports.

Richard M

October 20, 2009 7:04 am

John Finn, let’s see if I understand you correctly. You’re stating that even though the US is one of the largest emitters of CO2, it’s perfectly reasonable for the US to experience no warming while other regions (eg. Siberia) experience significant warming. And this is what you call global warming. Is that right?

Richard

October 20, 2009 10:35 am

NOAA has forecast most of the USA will be well above average due to El Nino in Dec, Jan Feb. The very places that are cold today will be warm and will be cold in the SE which is warm today – so lets see.
I wonder what they forecast for October 2009? They have their current prediction but they carefully hide all previous predictions.
Searched for it here: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/90day/fxhw40.html and here http://www.weather.gov/ but no luck. Found this though:
Western and Central Wyoming – THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN CASPER FROM OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 WAS 35.6 DEGREES…WHICH WAS THE COLDEST OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 PERIOD IN CASPER SINCE OFFICIAL WEATHER RECORDS BEGAN IN 1940.
THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN RIVERTON FROM OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 WAS 35.9 DEGREES…WHICH WAS THE COLDEST OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 PERIOD IN RIVERTON SINCE OFFICIAL WEATHER RECORDS BEGAN IN 1907
October began on the chilly side, then a bitter cold outbreak brought colder temperatures and snow with locally heavy snow to Western and North Central Nebraska. The first 14 days were the coldest and snowiest on record.
Through October 19th, both Columbia and Quincy have experienced the coldest average temperature on record for the period of October 1st through the 19th. St. Louis has observed an average temperature of 52.2 degrees which ranks 2nd all time for the same period.
Squaw Winter?

John Finn

October 20, 2009 11:08 am

Richard M (07:04:45) :
John Finn, let’s see if I understand you correctly. You’re stating that even though the US is one of the largest emitters of CO2, it’s perfectly reasonable for the US to experience no warming while other regions (eg. Siberia) experience significant warming. And this is what you call global warming. Is that right?
1. The source of the emissions is irrelevant.
2. I don’t believe the US is cooling. The UAH satellite trend for the US is ~0.25 deg per decade over the past 30 years.

Gene Nemetz

October 20, 2009 2:26 pm

John Finn,
Temperature data from GISTemp is drastically different from all other data sets, even Hadley. Your spin on that doen’t apply to what I am saying. But it sure does sound like it means something, huh.
And you also claim that news reports of cooling are happening only in the US. But SouthEast Asia, New Zealand, Austraila, Europe, South America, and Canada have been having reports of longer, colder winters.
Also, have you seen the rapid growing in North Pole ice? Also, the redord groth of Antarctic ice?

Gene Nemetz

October 20, 2009 2:29 pm

correction, typo
should read,
rapid growing trend in North Pole ice.
and
record growth of Antarctic ice

Gene Nemetz

October 20, 2009 2:32 pm

John Finn
One last thing to say,
I won’t be responding to you anymore in this thread. I’ve read enough of your comments to see that you spin everything to suit your desired results.

John Finn

October 20, 2009 3:25 pm

Gene Nemetz (14:26:37) :
John Finn,
Temperature data from GISTemp is drastically different from all other data sets, even Hadley. Your spin on that doen’t apply to what I am saying. But it sure does sound like it means something, huh.
In what way is Gistemp “drastically different”?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1992/to:2010/offset:-0.2/plot/gistemp/from:1992/to:2010/offset:-0.25/plot/uah/from:1992/to:2010
By “spin” – do you mean posting actual data?

Richard M

October 20, 2009 7:10 pm

John, I see you decided to omit the trend lines. Use your same dates and put in trend lines. Notice anything about GISS? Maybe a little steeper? That’s why your last comment was spin. Once you observe the trends it’s pretty obvious GISS is headed into a world of it’s own.
As for your response to me about US temps. I was simply referring to your post (03:39:50) where you claimed it didn’t matter if the US didn’t warm because it was only 2% of the surface. Please pick a position and stick to it. Running around in circles does not help your claims.

Gene Nemetz

October 20, 2009 10:09 pm

“Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless.”
~Tolstoy

John Finn

October 21, 2009 2:03 pm

Richard M (19:10:04) :
John, I see you decided to omit the trend lines. Use your same dates and put in trend lines. Notice anything about GISS? Maybe a little steeper? That’s why your last comment was spin. Once you observe the trends it’s pretty obvious GISS is headed into a world of it’s own.
The trends are within a couple of hundredths of a degree of each other. GISS is slightly higher because of the arctic extrapolation (as mentioned in a previous post). I’m sure we can agree that the arctic has been unusually warm in the past few years.
As for your response to me about US temps. I was simply referring to your post (03:39:50) where you claimed it didn’t matter if the US didn’t warm because it was only 2% of the surface. Please pick a position and stick to it. Running around in circles does not help your claims.
It’s true that the US is only 2% of the surface area of the earth. It’s also true that the US has warmed over the past ~30 years and that the warming measured by both GISS and UAH is very similar, i.e. ~0.25 deg per decade. I’m not sure why I should pick any position.

Richard M

October 22, 2009 6:19 am

John Finn (14:03:19):,
“I’m not sure why I should pick any position.”
Well, I guess if you feel contradicting yourself adds to your case then feel free to take these kind of conflicting positions. By stating that US temps have risen, you just deflated your own comeback to E.M. Smith. I guess if you consider that good logic then it’s not too hard to see why you support AGW so blindly.

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