A cold start to fall: over 4500 new snowfall, low temp, and lowest max temp records set in the USA this last week

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The Record Events map depicts the official National Weather Service records recorded for the defined date(s) or time period, which includes record high and low temperatures, record high minimum temperatures, record low maximum temperatures, record daily rainfall and record daily snowfall. Source: Hamweather Climate Center and NOAA/NWS

Record Events for Sat Oct 10, 2009 through Fri Oct 16, 2009
Total Records: 6257
Rainfall: 859
Snowfall: 297
High Temperatures: 369
Low Temperatures: 785
Lowest Max Temperatures: 3473
Highest Min Temperatures: 474

While there are way too many lowest maximum temperature records set to list here, the record lows and the snowfall records are listed below.
US Low Temperature Records 10-10 thru 10-18 2009

State Location Date New Record (°F) Previous Record (°F)
WY Yellowstone Pk Mammoth Mon, 12 Oct 2009 5 12 in 1986
WY Worland Faa Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 21 in 1993
WY Worland Faa Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1977
WY Thermopolis Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 20 in 1949
WY Tensleep, 4 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 20 in 1977
WY Tensleep, 4 miles NE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 17 in 1986
WY Ten Sleep, 16 miles SSE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 9 11 in 1987
WY Ten Sleep, 16 miles SSE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 16 in 1985
WY Shirley Basin Mon, 12 Oct 2009 8 10 in 1986
WY Shirley Basin Sun, 11 Oct 2009 6 10 in 1987
WY Sheridan Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 15 in 1993
WY Sheridan Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 18 in 1986
WY Rock Springs Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 21 in 1987
WY Riverton Sat, 10 Oct 2009 6 13 in 1932
WY Rawlins Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 15 in 1987
WY Pavillion Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 21 in 1977
WY Pavillion Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10 16 in 1969
WY Newcastle Sat, 10 Oct 2009 8 13 in 1970
WY Midwest Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 16 in 1986
WY Midwest Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 17 in 1986
WY Midwest Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 18 in 1982
WY Medicine Bow Sun, 11 Oct 2009 7 9 in 1987
WY Laramie Rgnl Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 7 12 in 1977
WY Lander Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 18 in 1969
WY Jeffrey City Mon, 12 Oct 2009 8 9 in 1987
WY Glenrock, 5 miles ESE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 18 in 1969
WY Glenrock, 5 miles ESE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13 19 in 1982
WY Gillette Campbell County Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 19 in 2006
WY Gillette, 4 miles SE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 17 in 1958
WY Gillette, 4 miles SE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 17 in 2006
WY Gillette, 4 miles SE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 18 in 1959
WY Douglas, 1 miles SE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1917
WY Douglas, 1 miles SE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 13 in 1919
WY Deaver Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 15 in 1969
WY Crandall Creek Sun, 11 Oct 2009 6 11 in 1977
WY Crandall Creek Mon, 12 Oct 2009 6 6 in 1969
WY Cody Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11 18 in 1928
WY Cody Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1928
WY Cody Sat, 10 Oct 2009 6 8 in 1919
WY Clark, 3 miles NE of Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14 15 in 1969
WY Chugwater Sat, 10 Oct 2009 8 12 in 1958
WY Centennial, 1 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 12 in 1982
WY Casper Wscmo Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 14 in 1982
WY Casper Wscmo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 18 in 1969
WY Buffalo Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1969
WY Buffalo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11 16 in 1922
WY Buffalo Sat, 10 Oct 2009 8 9 in 1919
WY Buffalo Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 15 in 1922
WY Boysen Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 19 in 1986
WY Boysen Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1969
WY Boysen Dam Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 22 in 1985
WY Bitter Creek, 4 miles NE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 16 in 1987
WY Billy Creek Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10 16 in 1969
WY Billy Creek Sun, 11 Oct 2009 8 15 in 1986
WI West Allis Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 29 in 1987
WI Waukesha Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 23 in 1909
WI Watertown Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1908
WI Two Rivers Mon, 12 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2006
WI Rhinelander Oneida County Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 22 in 1987
WI Port Washington Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 26 in 1988
WI Oconomowoc Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1988
WI Milwaukee Mt Mary Col Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 27 in 1967
WI Milwaukee Mt Mary Col Sun, 11 Oct 2009 25 27 in 1964
WI Lone Rock Tri Co Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 24 in 1964
WI Lone Rock Tri Cnty Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1987
WI Lancaster, 4 miles WSW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22 22 in 1906
WI Lancaster, 4 miles WSW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 20 in 1906
WI Ladysmith, 3 miles W of Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19 22 in 1978
WI Ladysmith, 3 miles W of Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20 22 in 1965
WI Kenosha Mon, 12 Oct 2009 28 30 in 2006
WI Kenosha Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1964
WI Horicon Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 22 in 1990
WI Dodgeville Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 23 in 1988
WI Beaver Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 24 24 in 1967
WI Beaver Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 24 24 in 1964
WI Arlington Univ Farm Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1987
WI Arlington Univ Farm Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1991
WI Arlington Univ Farm Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 24 in 1988
WA Yakima Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 24 27 in 2003
WA Yakima Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 24 in 1990
WA Winthrop, 1 miles WSW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21 21 in 1980
WA Winthrop, 1 miles WSW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 20 in 1930
WA Whitman Mission Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 24 in 1987
WA Whitman Mission Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 19 in 2008
WA Wenatchee Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 30 32 in 1977
WA Wenatchee Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1997
WA Wenatchee Mon, 12 Oct 2009 26 30 in 1931
WA Wenatchee Sun, 11 Oct 2009 25 28 in 1931
WA Wapato Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23 29 in 1990
WA Wapato Mon, 12 Oct 2009 26 28 in 1983
WA Walla Walla Faa Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 33 in 2008
WA Walla Walla Faa Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 32 33 in 2008
WA Upper Baker Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 27 30 in 1972
WA Upper Baker Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 30 in 2008
WA Upper Baker Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 26 33 in 1969
WA Sunnyside Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 23 in 1924
WA Stampede Pass Tue, 13 Oct 2009 27 27 in 1969
WA Stampede Pass Sun, 11 Oct 2009 24 30 in 2002
WA Stampede Pass Sat, 10 Oct 2009 27 29 in 1977
WA Spokane Intl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 24 in 2002
WA Spokane Intl Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 25 in 1977
WA Spokane Felts Field Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 25 in 1990
WA Spokane Felts Field Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1977
WA Spokane Felts Field Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 25 in 2008
WA Seattle Boeing Field Sun, 11 Oct 2009 35 35 in 2008
WA Ross Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 33 35 in 2008
WA Ross Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 33 35 in 1966
WA Ross Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 35 in 2008
WA Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 22 in 1924
WA Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 24 in 1990
WA Ritzville, 1 miles SSE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22 23 in 1985
WA Richland Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 33 in 1987
WA Quincy, 1 miles S of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 26 in 1954
WA Pullman Moscow Regional Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 18 in 2008
WA Priest Rapids Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 32 35 in 1987
WA Priest Rapids Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 34 in 1960
WA Priest Rapids Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1969
WA Pomeroy Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 22 in 1946
WA Omak, 4 miles N of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 20 in 1977
WA Olympia Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2008
WA Newhalem Tue, 13 Oct 2009 36 37 in 2002
WA Newhalem Mon, 12 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1997
WA Mt Adams Rs Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19 22 in 2002
WA Moxee City, 10 miles E of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 24 28 in 2002
WA Moses Lake Grant County Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 26 in 2008
WA Moses Lake Grant County Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 27 in 2006
WA Monroe Sun, 11 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1930
WA Monroe Mon, 12 Oct 2009 28 32 in 2002
WA Mazama Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 19 in 1969
WA Lacrosse Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 17 in 1946
WA Kennewick Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1931
WA Holden Village Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 21 in 2002
WA Goldendale Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 24 in 2002
WA Ephrata Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 30 in 2008
WA Ephrata Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 26 29 in 2006
WA Ephrata Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 26 in 1990
WA Diablo Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 28 30 in 1930
WA Diablo Dam Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 31 in 2008
WA Dayton, 1 miles WSW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 22 in 1899
WA Davenport Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18 20 in 1924
WA Davenport Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 15 in 1990
WA Dallesport Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1990
WA Coulee Dam, 1 miles SW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 26 31 in 1977
WA Coulee Dam, 1 miles SW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 27 in 2002
WA Colville Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 18 in 1919
WA Colville Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 21 in 1907
WA Colville Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 20 in 2002
WA Cle Elum Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1930
WA Chief Joseph Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20 26 in 2002
WA Chief Joseph Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20 27 in 2002
WA Chelan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 30 32 in 1981
WA Bickleton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 28 in 2002
WA Bellingham Intl Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 32 in 2002
WA Bellingham Fcwos Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 32 in 1972
WA Baring Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1972
VT Newport Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19 22 in 1978
VT Newport Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20 24 in 1972
UT Panguitch Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1990
TX Wellington Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 40 in 1979
TX Turkey Sat, 10 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1994
TX Turkey Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1994
TX Turkey Mon, 12 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1986
TX Tulia Sun, 11 Oct 2009 30 33 in 1990
TX Tahoka Mon, 12 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1986
TX Tahoka Sun, 11 Oct 2009 36 36 in 1990
TX Stratford Mon, 12 Oct 2009 27 28 in 2005
TX Stratford Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 30 in 1982
TX Silverton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 31 32 in 1986
TX Silverton Sun, 11 Oct 2009 30 34 in 1993
TX Post Mon, 12 Oct 2009 36 37 in 1986
TX Post Sun, 11 Oct 2009 36 37 in 1970
TX Plainview Sun, 11 Oct 2009 32 35 in 1990
TX Panhandle Mon, 12 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1986
TX Pampa 2 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 26 30 in 1986
TX Paducah Sun, 11 Oct 2009 30 36 in 1990
TX Paducah Mon, 12 Oct 2009 31 37 in 1977
TX Olton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1986
TX Muleshoe #1 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 31 34 in 1982
TX Memphis Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 35 in 1952
TX Matador Sun, 11 Oct 2009 34 40 in 1970
TX Matador Mon, 12 Oct 2009 34 35 in 1977
TX Lubbock Intl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 34 38 in 1932
TX Lubbock Intl Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 37 38 in 1993
TX Lipscomb Sun, 11 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1993
TX Hereford Sun, 11 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1907
TX Guthrie Mon, 12 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1977
TX Guthrie Sun, 11 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1990
TX Gruver Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 33 in 1982
TX Gruver Mon, 12 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1977
TX Gail Sun, 11 Oct 2009 38 38 in 1994
TX Follett Mon, 12 Oct 2009 29 31 in 1986
TX Floydada Sun, 11 Oct 2009 31 36 in 1970
TX Floydada Mon, 12 Oct 2009 31 32 in 1977
TX Dumas Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20 24 in 1952
TX Dimmitt, 2 miles N of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 29 31 in 1986
TX Dimmitt, 2 miles N of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1982
TX Dalhart Faa Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 27 30 in 1990
TX Dalhart Faa Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 29 in 1982
TX Crosbyton Sun, 11 Oct 2009 33 35 in 1990
TX Clarendon Sun, 11 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1994
TX Childress Muni Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 36 41 in 2000
TX Brownfield #2 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 35 37 in 2000
TX Brownfield #2 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1986
TX Bravo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1990
TX Borger Sat, 10 Oct 2009 29 35 in 1993
TX Borger Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 32 in 1982
TX Andrews Sun, 11 Oct 2009 40 40 in 2000
TX Amarillo Wso Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 33 in 2005
TX Amarillo Wso Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 27 34 in 1993
SD Yankton, 2 miles E of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1987
SD White Lake Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 24 in 1959
SD White Lake Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1987
SD Wessington Springs Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20 22 in 1987
SD Wessington Springs Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 23 in 1987
SD Webster Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1987
SD Watertown Rgnl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1959
SD Vermillion, 2 miles SE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1987
SD Timber Lake Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 18 in 1935
SD Stephan, 2 miles NW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11 18 in 1908
SD Spearfish Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 22 in 1933
SD Roscoe Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1959
SD Roscoe Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 20 in 2006
SD Redfield Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 21 in 2006
SD Rapid City Rgnl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 18 in 1987
SD Rapid City Rgnl Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 18 in 2006
SD Rapid City, 4 miles NW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 18 in 1993
SD Porcupine, 11 miles N of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 9 16 in 1990
SD Pierre Rgnl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 21 in 1946
SD Pickstown Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 27 in 2006
SD Oral Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1986
SD Oelrichs Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11 17 in 1948
SD Oelrichs Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16 19 in 2006
SD Newell Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 22 in 1986
SD Newell Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16 16 in 1986
SD Murdo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 21 in 1959
SD Mt Rushmore Natl Mem Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10 15 in 1986
SD Mitchell Municipal Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 28 in 2006
SD Mission Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20 22 in 2006
SD Mission Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 24 in 1990
SD Mission Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 21 in 1970
SD Milesville, 5 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1987
SD Milesville, 5 miles NE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18 19 in 1987
SD Menno Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 21 in 1987
SD Mc Intosh, 6 miles SE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 20 in 1959
SD Maurine, 12 miles SW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13 17 in 1985
SD Maurine, 12 miles SW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 20 in 1987
SD Martin Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1993
SD Ludlow, 3 miles SSE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1959
SD Lead Sat, 10 Oct 2009 7 10 in 1919
SD Lead Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11 15 in 1909
SD Interior, 3 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1959
SD Huron Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1935
SD Hot Springs Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 15 in 1909
SD Hot Springs Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 20 in 1899
SD Gregory Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1959
SD Gettysburg Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 16 in 1946
SD Ft Meade Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 22 in 1985
SD Forestburg, 3 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1987
SD Edgemont Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 18 in 1980
SD Edgemont Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1986
SD Edgemont Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23 23 in 2006
SD Edgemont Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1993
SD Cottonwood, 2 miles E of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 9 14 in 1987
SD Clear Lake Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22 22 in 2006
SD Clear Lake Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 20 in 1970
SD Clear Lake Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 22 in 1959
SD Clark Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 16 in 1935
SD Cedar Butte, 1 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 25 in 1921
SD Cedar Butte, 1 miles NE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 22 in 1959
SD Academy, 2 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 23 in 1908
PA Johnstown Ap Wed, 14 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1987
PA Erie Wso Ap Thu, 15 Oct 2009 34 36 in 1977
OR Roseburg Regional Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 36 37 in 1991
OR Redmond Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22 22 in 2006
OR Prineville Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1985
OR Pendleton E Or Rgnl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 25 in 2008
OR Pendleton Dwtn Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 22 in 2008
OR Pendleton Dwtn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 21 in 2008
OR Owyhee Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 25 in 2002
OR Moro Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 28 in 1990
OR Meacham Wso Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 15 in 2008
OR Lacomb, 3 miles NNE of Tue, 13 Oct 2009 30 30 in 2002
OR Joseph Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20 21 in 1946
OR Joseph Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1899
OR Hood Rvr Exp Stn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 29 in 2008
OR Hood Rvr Exp Stn Sun, 11 Oct 2009 25 28 in 1990
OR Hermiston, 1 miles SE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1931
OR Halfway Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 18 in 2001
OR Halfway Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1990
OR Grizzly Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 17 in 2002
OR Eugene Mahlon Sweet Fl Mon, 12 Oct 2009 30 32 in 2008
OR Drain Mon, 12 Oct 2009 27 28 in 2008
OR Drain Sun, 11 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1990
OR Corvallis Water Bureau Sat, 10 Oct 2009 31 31 in 1985
OR Corvallis Water Bureau Sun, 11 Oct 2009 29 34 in 2002
OR Bonneville Dam Wed, 14 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1970
OK Ponca City Muni Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1979
OK Mutual Sun, 11 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1993
OK Hooker Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 29 in 1919
OK Goodwell Rsch Stn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1977
OK Goodwell Rsch Stn Sun, 11 Oct 2009 26 30 in 1919
OK Gage Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1993
OK Boise City, 2 miles E of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 24 27 in 1982
OK Blanchard, 2 miles SSW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 39 41 in 1994
OK Beaver Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 29 in 1948
OK Beaver Mon, 12 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1977
NY Watertown Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 25 in 1994
NY Rochester Intl Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1981
NY Rochester Intl Ap Thu, 15 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1996
NY Niagara Falls Intl Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 29 32 in 1994
NY New York La Guardia Ap Thu, 15 Oct 2009 39 42 in 1977
NY New York La Guardia Ap Fri, 16 Oct 2009 39 43 in 1978
NY Geneva Rsch Farm Thu, 15 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1993
NY Geneva Rsch Farm Fri, 16 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1996
NY Elmira Corning Regional Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 25 27 in 1994
NY Conklingville Dam Thu, 15 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2002
NY Aurora Rsch Farm Thu, 15 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1996
NY Auburn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1939
NM Tucumcari Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1990
NM Tucumcari Municipal Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 29 32 in 1946
NM Tucumcari Faa Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 29 34 in 2005
NM Tucumcari, 4 miles NE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 28 30 in 1986
NM Tucumcari, 4 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 27 29 in 1970
NM Santa Fe County Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 31 32 in 1949
NM San Jon Sat, 10 Oct 2009 31 32 in 1982
NM Melrose Sun, 11 Oct 2009 31 33 in 1977
NM Clayton Muni Arpk Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 25 27 in 1946
NM Clayton Muni Arpk Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 25 29 in 1919
NH Pinkham Notch Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21 22 in 1978
NE Wallace, 2 miles W of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 19 in 1967
NE Wallace, 2 miles W of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 24 in 1980
NE Valentine Miller Fld A Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 23 in 1958
NE Valentine Miller Fld A Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 23 in 2006
NE Trenton Dam Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20 25 in 1970
NE Superior, 4 miles E of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23 28 in 1905
NE Sidney Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 18 in 1948
NE Sidney, 3 miles S of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 18 in 1948
NE Seward Sat, 10 Oct 2009 25 25 in 1916
NE Scottsbluff Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 16 in 1919
NE Osceola Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1990
NE O Neill Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 25 in 1921
NE North Platte Rgnl Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19 22 in 1958
NE North Platte Rgnl Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18 20 in 1987
NE North Platte Exp Farm Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 23 in 2000
NE North Platte Exp Farm Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 22 in 1987
NE North Platte Exp Farm Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1986
NE Merriman Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 17 in 1959
NE Mccook Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22 28 in 1990
NE Mc Cook Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22 25 in 1919
NE Madrid Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 21 in 1906
NE Loup City Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 23 in 1987
NE Lodgepole Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 18 in 1987
NE Kingsley Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20 23 in 1986
NE Kimball, 2 miles NE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12 17 in 1932
NE Kimball, 2 miles NE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1969
NE Kimball, 2 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 19 in 1987
NE Kearney, 4 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 21 in 1987
NE Imperial Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19 25 in 1967
NE Imperial Municipal Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 25 25 in 1969
NE Holdrege Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 21 in 1946
NE Hershey, 5 miles SSE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 19 in 2000
NE Hemingford Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 18 in 1986
NE Hayes Ctr Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 23 in 1987
NE Hayes Ctr Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18 23 in 1935
NE Hastings Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 24 25 in 1993
NE Hastings, 4 miles N of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1919
NE Hartington Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22 24 in 1919
NE Harrison Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 12 in 1932
NE Harrison Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10 10 in 1946
NE Harrisburg, 12 miles WNW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 13 in 1970
NE Harrisburg, 12 miles WNW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 9 13 in 1987
NE Haigler Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23 27 in 2006
NE Greeley Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22 23 in 2000
NE David City Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23 23 in 1987
NE David City Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23 23 in 1906
NE Dalton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 19 in 1969
NE Dalton Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 18 in 1987
NE Chambers Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1987
NE Chadron, 3 miles SW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10 15 in 1932
NE Chadron, 3 miles SW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10 14 in 1948
NE Canaday Steam Plt Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21 23 in 2000
NE Canaday Steam Plt Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21 21 in 1987
NE Broken Bow Municipal Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20 26 in 1996
NE Bridgeport Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 17 in 1905
NE Big Springs Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 18 in 1948
NE Benkelman Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20 20 in 1987
NE Benkelman Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20 27 in 1970
NE Arthur Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 17 in 1987
NE Arthur Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1958
NE Alliance, 1 miles WNW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1958
NE Agate, 3 miles E of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12 15 in 2000
ND Watford City, 14 miles S of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 19 in 1986
ND Underwood Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1959
ND Pretty Rock Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 19 in 1987
ND Minot Intl Ap Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20 20 in 1979
ND Jamestown Muni Ap Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17 19 in 1979
ND Fargo Hector Intl Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21 21 in 1993
ND Fargo Hector Intl Ap Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17 17 in 1979
ND Dickinson Muni Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 20 in 2006
ND Carrington, 4 miles N of Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20 23 in 1983
ND Bowman Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 17 in 1977
MT Wisdom Mon, 12 Oct 2009 2 4 in 2002
MT Wisdom Sun, 11 Oct 2009 2 2 in 1987
MT Valier Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 13 in 1972
MT Valentine Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19 21 in 2002
MT Valentine Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17 17 in 1987
MT Thompson Falls Ph Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18 22 in 1987
MT Superior Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 15 in 1919
MT Sula, 3 miles ENE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 9 12 in 2002
MT Ryegate, 18 miles NNW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10 17 in 1986
MT Roundup Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1986
MT Roundup Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 18 in 1959
MT Rapelje, 4 miles S of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 18 in 1969
MT Rapelje, 4 miles S of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10 14 in 1969
MT Powderville, 8 miles NNE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 18 in 1980
MT Port Of Morgan Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11 12 in 2002
MT Opheim, 10 miles N of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 6 12 in 1965
MT Moorhead, 9 miles NE of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 17 in 2006
MT Missoula, 2 miles NE of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 21 in 1990
MT Martinsdale, 3 miles NNW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 16 in 1986
MT Martinsdale, 3 miles NNW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 13 in 1986
MT Malmstrom Afb Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12 18 in 1977
MT Malmstrom Afb Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 18 in 2008
MT Lewistown Fcwos Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 18 in 1969
MT Lewistown Fcwos Sat, 10 Oct 2009 5 12 in 1987
MT Joliet Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1986
MT Joliet Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1986
MT Jackson Sun, 11 Oct 2009 5 10 in 1990
MT Hysham Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 20 in 1977
MT Hysham Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16 21 in 1985
MT Hysham Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12 18 in 1986
MT Huntley Exp Stn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11 16 in 1986
MT Huntley Exp Stn Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1986
MT Huntley Exp Stn Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1949
MT Hungry Horse Dam Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12 12 in 2002
MT Hungry Horse Dam Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18 23 in 1969
MT Hungry Horse Dam Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14 18 in 1985
MT Hungry Horse Dam Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12 14 in 2002
MT Heron, 2 miles NW of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 17 in 1924
MT Heron, 2 miles NW of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17 17 in 1919
MT Heron, 2 miles NW of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18 19 in 2002
MT Helena Ap Asos Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1990
MT Helena Ap Asos Sat, 10 Oct 2009 9 15 in 1987
MT Havre City Co Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1977
MT Havre City Co Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1972
MT Hardin Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1969
MT Hardin Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1986
MT Hamilton Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1987
MT Hamilton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 9 12 in 1895
MT Hamilton Tue, 13 Oct 2009 9 11 in 1895
MT Hamilton Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1987
MT Great Falls Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 16 in 2002
MT Great Falls 16st Sat, 10 Oct 2009 7 14 in 1919
MT Grass Range Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 20 in 1986
MT Grass Range Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 16 in 1959
MT Gardiner Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 19 in 1969
MT Ft Benton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17 20 in 1986
MT Ft Benton Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 21 in 1990
MT Flatwillow, 4 miles ENE of Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 13 in 1919
MT Ennis Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 17 in 1987
MT Ennis Mon, 12 Oct 2009 8 13 in 1986
MT Ennis Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11 14 in 1919
MT Ekalaka Sun, 11 Oct 2009 9 15 in 1977
MT Divide Mon, 12 Oct 2009 7 10 in 2008
MT Dillon Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 8 15 in 1987
MT Dillon Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12 14 in 2008
MT Dillon Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 17 in 1986
MT Del Bonita Mon, 12 Oct 2009 8 8 in 2002
MT Del Bonita Sat, 10 Oct 2009 6 7 in 1977
MT Cut Bank Ap Sat, 10 Oct 2009 3 10 in 1977
MT Culbertson Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 15 in 1965
MT Culbertson Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1959
MT Cooke City, 2 miles W of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 5 5 in 1969
MT Cooke City, 2 miles W of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 6 6 in 1985
MT Columbus Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14 21 in 1969
MT Columbus Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16 19 in 1987
MT Columbus Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12 12 in 1993
MT Choteau Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 17 in 1931
MT Chinook Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 15 in 1919
MT Butte Bert Mooney Ap Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11 14 in 1987
MT Butte Bert Mooney Ap Mon, 12 Oct 2009 6 10 in 2008
MT Broadus Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1948
MT Bridger, 2 miles N of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15 19 in 1986
MT Bridger, 2 miles N of Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17 17 in 1969
MT Bridger, 2 miles N of Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12 19 in 1959
MT Bredette Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13 15 in 2006
MT Bozeman Montana St U Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11 18 in 1969
MT Bozeman Gallatin Fld Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14 15 in 1987
MT Bozeman 6 W Exp Farm Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13 18 in 1969
MT Billings Wtp Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16 20 in 1909
MT Billings Wtp Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19 21 in 1986
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212 thoughts on “A cold start to fall: over 4500 new snowfall, low temp, and lowest max temp records set in the USA this last week

  1. I haven’t seen an official announcement, but I believe we probably set a new record low overnight here in central AR. It is 33 here in the suburbs, and Intellicast is reporting 38, while the record low is in the 40’s.

    For a view of how widespread the cold weather is in the US, check this out:

  2. These record snow and record low temps in mid-Oct. will hopefully pour some sanity to the world climate “negotiators” and warming bureaucrats when they go to Copenhagen in 1 1/2 months time.

  3. BUT BUT BUT BUT … NOAA said September was the second hottest ever in the world!

    (By the way, where I lived showed up slightly warmer than normal. However, our local meteorologists complained several times that the “official” high was too hot on certain days because the official measurement was several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby. I imagine if it showed up too cold, NOAA and the NWS would quickly fix the problem. But since it gives a desired result, it stays like it is.)

  4. Here in NH, where we pride ourselves on our thriftiness and stoicism about any early-season cold (just wait, it’ll warm up!) we have had the heat “on” since Monday night (the 12th). Normally we manage to go until at least Nov. 1, but we’ve had temps more like mid-to-late Nov. for almost a week now (though it’s supposed to warm up this coming week, I hear).
    Oops, you forgot to say “weather is not climate”. Here come the trolls.

  5. Nonoy Oplas (05:54:58) :
    These record snow and record low temps in mid-Oct. will hopefully pour some sanity to the world climate “negotiators” and warming bureaucrats when they go to Copenhagen in 1 1/2 months time.

    Why would you expect that? The purpose of Copenhagen isn’t to “fix” anything. It is to break things…specifically our high standard of living.

  6. The usual rejoinder to such data from warmists is that its what’s happening globally, not in any one area that counts. (However, this never stopped them from issuing an incessant stream of “this will be one of the hottest ever” predictions for specific regions which fell flat on their faces.) There must be a time period for, if global warming were really happening, that any one spot on earth, though experiencing varying temperatures over time, would be able to pick up a global warming “signal.” Here in Michigan, it did seem to get warmer through the 1990’s. Over the last ten or more years no sign here of any global warming “signal.” This year temperatures have been chronically and decidedly below average.

    How long before just based on everyday observation of weather patterns in one area showing cooling that we can say that statistically speaking, it is highly unlikely that global warming is occurring?

    What we have experienced in Michigan over the last thirty years fits solar explanations of climate variability (Svensmark or Willie Soon), with a warming in the latter part of the 20th century coinciding with the solar “modern maximum” that occurred then and cooler temperatures for the last dozen years as the sun has slipped into its present somnolent state. I believe this perspective fits the facts better than that of the warmists with their CO2 theory for which they have no evidence, corrupted temperature data, and worthless computer models that were never tested on any “out of sample” or new data.

  7. This comes at a good time after NOAA anounced on Oct. 17th that the North would have a warmer winter than usual. The Farmer’s Almanac is doing a lot better so far and I don’t think they cost us tax dollars for their service.

  8. Wade (06:20:08) :

    several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby

    I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.

  9. Peter Jones (07:01:11) :
    Environment Canada proudly announced a ‘warm’ winter for most of Canada in Aug. In Sept, they quietly completely flip-flopped the winter forecast and now shows colder than normal. So far, my climate station has us -7C below normal for Oct. – weather not being climate of course……, but, i’m just following the theme…

  10. I also live in New Hampshire and heat (and get my hot water) with solid fuels. I use wood to remove the morning chill up until the last week of October then I switch to coal for a steady warmth.

    Last year it was cold enough to switch to coal one week earlier than normal.

    This year it has been cold enough to switch to coal TWO weeks early.

  11. What we are seeing fits extremely well with the “David Archibald” study. Winter comes early stays longer because spring comes late. According to the Archibald study this is just the beginning.

  12. Where do these measurements come from? Are we looking at the standard NWS/NOAA -> GISS temps? Stevenson Screens and MMTS? If so, things could be ‘worse than we thought’ if site bias is included.

    Of course, record cold is only weather, while record high is climate.

  13. Would be curious to know how many of the sites reporting record cold were properly sited, maintained and calibrated.

    If UHI is a factor, would the corrected temp be even colder?

  14. Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)

    I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.

  15. Fargo, ND had the coldest first half of October since records started in 1881. (Sioux Falls, SD and the Twin Cites, MN also accomplished the same feat)

    Finally a “warm” day today with a high in the 60s for the first time this month.


  16. Michael (07:17:21) :

    What we are seeing fits extremely well with the “David Archibald” study.

    Do you have a link/a reference we can look at?

    Thanks in advance.
    .
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  17. Here’s a nice webcam shot up from 5000 feet up.

    5000 feet up where?

    North Carolina.

    http://www.highcountrywebcams.com/webcameras_Beech_Charlies.htm

    Not unheard of…but rather anomalous this time of year.

    Oh….I forgot though….. “weather is not climate.”

    To them: More like “weather is not weather.”

    “Climate is not climate.”

    To the rest of us: “AGW is not science.”

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  18. I have never seen it like this in Montana. Our “fall colors” are hideous. Most trees are an ugly, dull gray. It got so cold so early (2 degrees F. was probably the low here) that the leaves were frozen and killed while they were still green. The heavy snows we got brought down branches and even trees because the leaves had not fallen off yet and held more snow up than would have been the case later on. I lost part of one tree and am still hauling branches to the dump. Early snows are very common here at about 4000 feet elevation, but the cold that came with our recent storms was strange for early October.

  19. SST back to downtrend, MSU channel05 falling free fall, AMO about to flip negative again. This winter will be telling. And it will be just end of beginning intro.

  20. groweg (06:34:17) :

    The usual rejoinder to such data from warmists is that its what’s happening globally, not in any one area that counts.

    It did count when it was Australia. They said, “Australia is burning!”. Why don’t the say now “The USA and Europe are freezing!” ?

  21. Gene Nemetz (07:09:38) :

    Wade (06:20:08) :

    several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby

    I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.
    Håkan B (07:35:48) :

    Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)

    I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.

    Chemult is located at the junction of Hwy 58 and Hwy 97 in central Oregon.
    Lots of snow, lots of traffic, lots of pavement.For all we know the Stevenson screen is
    located behind the kitchen at the truck stop.
    It does sit in an area known only to me as”Walker Range”-named after the large cattle ranch in the area. It sets in a ,well, caldera,everywhere is UP in that place.
    From my aerial fire fighting days it’s a place that you don’t want to have trouble with
    equipment.A lot like Northern Az. in looks and climate…
    Oh those circles are pivot irrigation circles,mainly Potatoes….

  22. I don’t see any green dots for rainfall records on the map. But your data says there should be some.

    REPLY: The interactive map builder leaves them in the color key even if not plotted, I chose to not plot them becuase there were so may theymade the items of interest almost unreadable – A

  23. I would have to call into question some of those high temp records. The ones I question are

    1. South of Norfolk (which had a record low although I could think that a stationary front splitting the two might have done it).

    2. The high temp records in what appears to be the mountains of West Virginia and Maryland or Pennsylvania.

  24. Gene Nemetz (08:11:25)
    I looked it up in Google Earth which positions Chelmut at 43° 0’0.00″N and 121° 0’0.00″V, the green circles are just north of Chelmut, but now I’ve found that GE is positioning Chelmut slightly wrong. Googlemaps on the other hand seems to get it right.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=chemult&sll=42.988576,-121.074142&sspn=0.303374,0.617294&ie=UTF8&t=h&hq=&hnear=Chemult,+Klamath,+Oregon&ll=43.230196,-121.337128&spn=0.604356,1.234589&z=10

    But the circles are still there just a little farther away.

  25. The record rain fall would be of interest for those of us comparing El Nino to precipitation. Could you put another map in place for rainfall records only?

    REPLY: Pamela there’s no discernible pattern in the rainfall record map, you can look at this yourself using the interactive map builder. -A

  26. According to NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center “El Nino in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean is expected to be a dominant climate factor that will influence the December through February winter weather in the United States, according to the 2009 Winter Outlook”

    The NOAA forecast predicts “:Highlights of the U.S. Winter Outlook (December through February) include: Winter Outlook – Temperature
    Warmer-than-average temperatures are favored across much of the western and central U.S., especially in the north-central states from Montana to Wisconsin.”

    They have shown a Map with most of the USA warmer than usual for that period.

    I was curious to see if it was warmer than usual now. So I zoomed in to their 7 day forecast interactive map and saw that snow is likely monday and tuesday in Salt Lake City . Someone here also said it was pretty cold in Oregon. Maybe it will warm up later?

    Its not been particularly warm here in New Zealand with snow in spring and Oct. 8, WeatherZone: “Adelaid’s coldest start to October in half a century.” Oct. 16, Reuters: “European cold snap kills four in Poland” shows not particularly warm in Australia and Europe either.

    I will be surprised if 2009 turns out to be one of the warmest years of the current warm period as predicted by the warmists.

  27. Would you please provide the link for the map builder? I am on dial-up in Wallowa County this weekend and it takes forever to move through websites to find stuff.

  28. Mark (09:09:30) :
    “I would have to call into question some of those high temp records. The ones I question are
    1. South of Norfolk (which had a record low although I could think that a stationary front splitting the two might have done it).
    2. The high temp records in what appears to be the mountains of West Virginia and Maryland or Pennsylvania.”

    These can all be explained from strong, but normal warm air advection before the passage of the cold front….also keeping in mind these are over a six-day period.

    Also…that persistent pesky subtropical high off of the SE coast for the past few years, fed by the positive AMO of the same time period, does not want to go out quietly…hence the reds in Florida.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  29. The NOAA forecast is based on a persistent strong El Nino. This forecast was a godsend for the warmists as it coincided with the Copenhagen conference.

    Its beginning to look like it will be weak El Nino, and even possibly be back to La Nina by December though. Too bad for the warmists.

  30. I think one of the striking things about this map are the widespread light blue dots, showing the record low maxima—the majority of the cold records on the map.

    This is a difficult feat for Mother Earth to pull off when the angle of the sun is still pretty high.

    Not to mention the longevity of the snow events around the country. Take the 6 inches at Penn State over a couple of days.

    Bet Professor Mann was staring out his campus office window looking at the snow-laden still-leafy maple branches and scratching his head about hockey sticks.

    Nah! Not unlike the blinding whiteouts on the higher ridge tops around State College a few days ago, he and Hansen and others are caught in their own mental, ego-driven whiteout conditions…and absolutely blind to the truth that is staring them in the face, namely: AGW is not Science!

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  31. Here is some more snow news:

    Tue 13 October 09: .. record early start in the USA, and following the earliest recorded snowfall on Mt Fuji back in August, comes the first snowfall of the season at Hakuba. Could this be one epic winter?

    Wed 14 October 09 Huge dumps on the Austrian Glaciers and in the USA. Southern Hemisphere resorts set to re-open .. up to a metre (40 inches) of fresh snow was reported falling on the half dozen glacier ski areas already open for winter 2009-10 in Austria. The snow fell right down to village level in many areas with resorts like Obergurgl reporting 10cm (4 inches) on village streets.

    Temperatures are currently in double-figures below zero at most of Europe’s glacier areas and the snow has stopped for now, to reveal clear skies, although more snow is expected at the weekend.

    Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand which has announced it is further extending its season to November 8th, officially making theirs the longest season in the Southern Hemisphere.

    18 October 09 Austria ..the mid week storm dumped some serious pow. 150cm fresh on the Hintertuxer glacier, 49 cm in Sölden, 40 cm in Saalbach-Hinterglemm and 30cm in Ischgl.

  32. Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html

    and this one

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html

    Tell me again, who is in denial?

  33. If, as some warmist suggest, the world temperature has risen by upwards of 2 degrees C in the past 100 years; then no (new) low temperature records should be possible.

    I guess we can put that claim to bed.

    It would be interesting to see how the distribution of low and high temperature records occurs. Is there a pattern between rural and urban?

    Cheers,

    Steve

  34. Southern New Hampshire; 1:45 Pm, Sunday Oct 18; snow. 34 degrees.

    Looks real pretty, with leaves orange and green, dusted with white snow.

    Temperatures up towards the pole are above average, because all the cold poured down here.

    The old timers called this “Squaw Winter,” which came before the warmth of “Indian Summer.” A very cold Squaw Winter was often seen as a sort of warning, and people would use the following mild spell to rush about getting firewood stacked, and other pre-winter chores done.

  35. If “Squaw Winter” comes before “Indian Summer” then November may well be warmer as predicted by NOAA.

    Here is an interesting article from 1922 which tries to figure out the climate.

  36. This is the WARMEST it has been on this map for at least 4-5 years the LOW continuous temp anomalies in Paraguay Southern Brazil have been extraordinary over this period.
    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp8.html
    me thinks it is related to the extraordinary continuous SH ice Anomaly bringing cold air in fronts way beyond its normal range into the sub-tropics ask METSUL Brazil

  37. April E. Coggins (10:16:51) :

    It is encouraging to read through the comments however. Seems that the sheeple out there are beginning to wake up and are no longer so receptive to the AGW doom and gloom rhetoric.

  38. lance
    You said

    “Environment Canada proudly announced a ‘warm’ winter for most of Canada in Aug. In Sept, they quietly completely flip-flopped the winter forecast and now shows colder than normal. So far, my climate station has us -7C below normal for Oct. – weather not being climate of course……, but, i’m just following the theme…”

    Enviornment Canada is still showing above normal temperatures for most of CANADA except the Arctic[ isued Sept 1,2009]
    http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?
    img=ccatemp_06_s_m1

    I disagree with this forecast for the southern half of CANADA to be above normal.

    If the official forecasters of Canada, UK, US and Europe are all calling for warmer temperatures , there are going to be a lot of red faced forecasters next spring .

  39. Richard (11:05:26) :

    We’re way beyond 1922.
    No one in living memory has seen what’s about to happen.
    Not even our great grandfathers saw this.
    Maybe not even some of our great great grandfathers.
    Try 1822 or 1812.
    Some things have been forgotten which should never have been forgotten.
    Some records have been erased that should never have been erased.

  40. Squidly, This site can take a lot of the credit for educating non-scientific people like me. I see WattsUpWithThat being cited more and more.

  41. In other news, a debate has kicked off (again) on slashdot following the Maldives Government underwater meeting. I invite interested readers to reply (requires registration, or you can post as anonymous coward!).

  42. April E. Coggins

    Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html
    and this one
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html
    Tell me again, who is in denial?

    …Reply
    We have exactly the same thing in Britain. The kind of brainwashing lunacy we are subjected to on a daily basis can be illustrated by The Telegraph’s website:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6350795/World-has-less-than-five-years-to-stop-uncontrollable-climate-change—WWF.html

    It goes on…
    “World has less than five years to stop uncontrollable climate change – WWF
    The world has less than five years to get carbon emissions under control or runaway climate change will become inevitable, the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) has warned.

    Scientists generally agree that the world could keep temperature rises below a dangerous level of two degrees C (3.6 degrees F) if greenhouse gas emissions are halved by 2050.

    However a new report from the WWF found this will require a “green industrial revolution” by 2014, with heavy investment in moving from fossil fuels to ‘low carbon alternatives’ like wind, solar, nuclear and clean coal.

    It will also mean switching to electric cars and other green technologies and improving energy efficiency by insulating our homes and wasting less electricity.

    The stark warning comes as ministers and officials from around the world meet in London for the Major Economies Forum. The MEF was set up by President Obama to give ministers an opportunity to thrash out difficult issues before the world meets in Copenhagen in December to agree a new deal on climate change.

    Ed Miliband, the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, will be putting pressure on rich countries, including the US, to sign up to legally-binding targets to cut carbon emissions. The Prince of Wales is hosting a dinner to lobby ministers to sign up to innovative new measures to reduce deforestation, including plans to pay poorer countries not to chop down trees.

    The WWF said both rich and poor countries need to start investing in renewable energy and encouraging behaviour change among citizens in order to meet the targets.

    The report used economic models to calculate how long it would take for a low carbon industry to grow to a point where it is big enough to cut emissions by 50 per cent.

    Keith Allott, Head of Climate Change at WWF UK, said any industry will only grow by 30 per cent every year so the world has to invest in a low carbon industry now to allow the sector to grow to a point where it takes over from fossil fuels by 2050.

    He said the UK Government’s current policy does not provide enough incentives for investing in renewables or saving energy.

    “Clean industry sectors can only expand so far, so quickly. If we wait until later than 2014 to begin aggressively tackling the problem, we will have left it too late to ensure that all the low-carbon solutions required are ready to roll out at the scale needed if we intend to keep within the world’s remaining carbon budget,” he said.

    “This report is a compelling reminder of the scale of effort and the speed of action needed if we’re going to make the global transition towards low and zero carbon economies before it’s too late.”

    In a separate report think tank the New Economics Foundation said it will cost the world up to £2.5 trillion to deal with the consequences of climate change like floods, drought and water shortages by 2050. However “rapid decarbonisation’ such as replacing fossil fuels with renewables, will avoid up to £1.3 trillion in environmental costs.

    The International Panel on Climate Change recommends that the world cuts carbon emissions in half by 2050 to stand a good chance of keeping temperature rises below two degrees C.”

    Related Articles
    * Climate change: a tale of two planets
    *African elephants could be extinct in 15 years
    *Arctic will be ice-free in a decade, according to Pen Hadow
    *Council areas fail to cut carbon footprint
    *Climate change measures ‘will cause rise in fuel bills’
    *Obama ‘must come to Copenhagen to save climate talks’
    ——————————————–
    The Environment page http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/ has these articles:

    Green tour operator abandons carbon offsetting
    The eco-friendly holiday company Responsibletravel.com says offset schemes hinder attempts to reduce worldwide carbon emissions.

    Arctic will be ice-free in a decade, according to Pen Hadow
    The Arctic will be largely ice-free during the summer within a decade, according to new evidence collected by Pen Hadow and his team.

    Arrests at power station protest
    Nearly 80 people were arrested and three police officers left needing hospital treatment during a huge climate change protest at a power station.

    Maldives government holds underwater meeting
    Cabinet meeting held underwater to attract international attention to the dangers of global warming.

    Tamsin Omond: The climate change protester
    Tamsin Omond, 24, is the founder of Climate Rush, a campaign group that protests against airport expansion and calls for tougher measures to control carbon dioxide emissions. Last year she was arrested after scaling the Palace of Westminster to protest against Heathrow’s proposed third runway.

    EARTH LINKS
    Al Gore: solutions to the climate crisis
    Stern review of climate change economics http://actonco2.direct.gov.uk/actonco2/home.html
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change http://www.ipcc.ch/
    ——————————————–

    All this is just today’s rubbish. More rubbish tomorrow.

  43. Hmmm. I notice the records broken for record highs, are the smallest number on the listing.

    What would anyone care to bet that they would be the ONLY numbers the media would speak about in reporting this?

  44. vg (11:08:36) :This is the WARMEST it has been on this map for at least 4-5 years the LOW continuous temp anomalies in Paraguay Southern Brazil have been extraordinary over this period.
    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp8.html

    Warmest? How is that? The temperature anomaly map at the bottom of the page shows most of South America way colder than average. But it doesnt say anomaly from what? Must be the average over a certain time period?

  45. Not getting out of the 40s here in Norfolk, VA today.

    Another record low maximum coming up….

    This is VERY difficult to do around here this time of year as:

    1) The sun angle is still pretty high and our latitude is relatively low.
    2) The temperature of the mighty Chesapeake Bay (and upwind from us) is still 65 degrees.
    3) Global Warming is occurring (har har).

    Shows the power of these direct discharges of Arctic air when they first steamrolled across the North American continent a week ago and before…even though the air is modified now for us in the SE.

    If this event would have happened the same time in December, the SE US (and the NE) would be digging out from a prolonged, cold, heavy snowfall.

    And don’t forget, not one, but TWO weeks ago today….parts of the PAC NW were covered in a thick white coat of snow….barely into October.

    Something is going on, folks.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  46. Richard: “Warmest? How is that? The temperature anomaly map at the bottom of the page shows most of South America way colder than average. But it doesnt say anomaly from what? Must be the average over a certain time period?”

    Vg was saying, if you read the post, “warmest in comparison” to the extraordinary low anomalies there in recent years.

    That was his point.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  47. I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about with all that cold stuff. We are having the loveliest Michigan October….um…in Tennessee.

  48. April E. Coggins (11:36:37), Kate (11:48:21) – This brainwashing is all over the western world.

    Run-away global warming is assumed as a fact and schizophrenic talk emanates from this assumption.

    In order to “save the world” we must create a commodity out of thin air and tax it. We must tax energy the very basic commodity that helps us to produce and have our quality of life. We must shift money away from productive industries into non-productive ones, based not on economic reasons but on ideological ones – the surest way to get poor fast.

    The Global scam is that cap n trade is about ecology, when it is about tax and nothing about the ecology.

    The richest nations have the best quality of air and water, the poorest nations have the worst. We can afford to preserve our forests the poor nations chop them down. If we want to save the world we cant do it by getting poor.

    As someone said “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else…You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

  49. Here’s an interesting comparison of Contiguous USA October temps, from 1895 until now.

    Got this from sullivanweather’s blog on Wunderground.

    http://english.wunderground.com/blog/sullivanweather/comment.html?entrynum=234

    Scroll down to the National Contiguous Temperature graph…

    This graph is most interesting, besides comparing Octobers, of course, there is NO hockey stick.

    Just a nice sine up and down motion.

    And I’ll bet once this October is done it will show on the cold side.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  50. Brrrrrr… when so many records are broken it’s no longer weather, it’s a climate event as it is stretching the boundaries of the range of weather in a climate zone. When will the soothsayers famous human caused global warming actually kick in?

  51. What happened to my post? – seems to have been swallowed up

    REPLY:
    Spam filter triggers on certain words. – Anthony

  52. savethesharks (12:15:06) :

    Something is going on.
    The Sun has been in the output defecit mode for about 3 years.
    The bill collector now wants payment in full, and he doesn’t take American Express.
    The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossesed.

  53. savethesharks (12:39:45) – from Sullivan’s blog

    ” Unfortunately, those hoping for an Indian Summer following this first major cold blast shouldn’t count on it; this is merely a preview to what’s to come over the next week. One of the coldest air masses on record for this early in the Autumn will be diving straight south from the Arctic..”

    With so much of the country expected so far below normal through the first two week of the month, will the record for the coldest October on record fall?

    To answer we need to look back at the coldest October on record – 1925. Does this October bear any resemblance to October of that year?

    Thus far, yes.”

  54. How cold, and for how long, and in how many places does it have to be before we are below average in temperature. It seemed, 2009 was very cold in a lot of places, but we are still way above average temp all the time. Back in the days when we were below average, the continent must have had permafrost all the way to the tropics

  55. In the midst of all the blue dots, there are three red dots (max temps), 2 on the western Virginia border, one on the Tennessee/Kentucky border. Why would they have high temp records in the midst of all the low maximums? Would it be appropriate to investigate these three stations to see if they have unusual heat island effects??

  56. rbateman (12:51:18) : “Something is going on.
    The Sun has been in the output defecit mode for about 3 years.
    The bill collector now wants payment in full, and he doesn’t take American Express.
    The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossesed.”

    I hear ya…and the West is not prepared.

    Ironically, Russia and their scientists, who give more credence to these things, is.

    They have been drilling for oil like mad and working to prepare for the big “GC” (Global Cooling) that their scientists say is going to happen.

    Meanwhile in Copenhagen….well, something’s about to be rotten…er um…let’s just say there will be ALOT of rotten things in Denmark coming up shortly.

    To lessen the Sun God’s anger, too bad we can’t perform some sacrifices.

    I can think of MORE THAN A FEW that have angered the Science God as well…and a list of choice individuals on that sacrifice list….but I will not name names. LOL

    Bet you and I…or anyone polled on here for that matter, could come up with a remarkably similar list. Haha

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  57. John (13:28:32) :
    “In the midst of all the blue dots, there are three red dots (max temps), 2 on the western Virginia border, one on the Tennessee/Kentucky border. Why would they have high temp records in the midst of all the low maximums? Would it be appropriate to investigate these three stations to see if they have unusual heat island effects??”

    This chart spans the past week, and earlier on, before the passage of the cold front, there was some warm air advection in the East ahead of the front…nothing unusual really.

    I’ll bet if you check those particular “records” they were early in the period, and coincide with the number of record maxima on the SE coast.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  58. That’s what Alexey Dmitriev of the Russian Academy of Sciences said we would see back in 1997. Sharp temperature gradients…

    http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

    I often go there when puzzled by what is observed… though the translation could have been improved upon, basically much of what he stated we would see… we’ve been seeing.
    BAUT forum, upon review, gave him a thumbs up and that’s saying something out of them. I had looked for a “woo woo” labeling.

  59. rbateman (12:51:18): Something [fishy] is going on.
    The Sun has been in the output deficit mode for about 3 years. The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.

    Let’s do some simple math. First we can assume that the variable heat input in the sun cycle is a perfect cosine function with period 11.1 year:

    Qsun = Qmax•cos(t/T) = Qmax•cos(t/11.1)

    Then we can further assume that the overall global temperature is simply given by the first law of thermodynamics:

    m•cp•dT/dt = Qsun = Qmax•cos(t/11.1)

    The temperature then becomes:

    T = Qmax•sin(t/11.1)/(m•cp) + T0

    Sine and cosine are a quarter period out of phase, thus the delay between the two curves is 11.1/4 = 2.8 years which is quite close to the 3 years of rbateman.

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sine_cosine_plot.svg

    The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.

  60. From seablogger.com:

    El Nino Winter
    weather by seablogger

    NOAA has come out with a forecast for an El Nino dominated winter: cool and stormy in the South, including Florida; wet in California; mild and dry in the north and northwest. I do not agree at present. I am not persuaded that El Nino will strengthen and persist, as NOAA models indicate. This has been an odd El Nino event, starting in May, and showing an asymmetrical distribution of oceanic warmth, with a large warm pool north of the equator in the East Pacific. (This is where hurricane Rick formed.) Recently, patches of cool anomaly have been appearing right in the middle of the El Nino belt. I suspect an early end to this El Nino, and a quick diminution of its effects on North American weather. But we shall see, we shall see.
    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20091015_winteroutlook.html

  61. Ski season started earliest in Northern Slovakia (in history of human kind :)
    It just beat the record early start from 2007
    Next week is predicted bellow normal again
    Forecast for the first week of November – freezing temperatures from Northern Russia up to Ukraine, 0-5 deg C in central Europe
    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html

  62. savethesharks (13:29:13) :
    hear ya…and the West is not prepared.

    Ironically, Russia and their scientists, who give more credence to these things, is.

    That’s what turn even me Green with envy.
    How come Russia can prepare itself for what every government knows is coming, but the West insists upon laying waste to it’s infrastructure?
    Is this another Rod Serling script?
    I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
    And it’s really coming down.

  63. At my place, Frankfurt, Germany, this October is working hard to become
    3rd coldest since 1980.
    For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.

  64. Snow covering the football field for the New England patriots vs. the Tennesee Titans Sunday October 18 football game gets the attention of the average pro football fan.

    If that kind of weather continues Joe six-pack America will wakeup to AGW fraud in a hurry.

    Pass the pretzels…

  65. OT: EARTH-DIRECTED ERUPTION: On Saturday, Oct. 17th, starting around 18:24 UT, a spotless active region in the sun’s southern hemisphere erupted, hurling a faint coronal mass ejection (CME) in the general direction of Earth.
    http://www.spaceweather.com

  66. Klausb (14:05:47) :
    For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.

    Really? Here in Slovakia we had Jan-Feb close to average (=cold 1960-90 baseline), very warm April (+4 deg C above), average (=cold) June, 1-2 deg C above May-September and now under average October, even its first decade was warm. So up to now, 2009 average is similar to previous years.

  67. Skied Mt Hutt (NZ) Saturday 17th – and the rain/hail late in the day turned to snow overnight. For closing day (18th) there was 4cm of new powder, thoughtfully deposited by Gaia.

    Perhaps Gaia is, in fact, a closet powderhound and is, as it were, ‘comin’ out’?

  68. April E. Coggins (10:16:51) :

    “Not surprisingly, the Seattle Times didn’t care to have an article telling about the wide-spread record cold in Washington state and throughout the country. Local crops were being wiped out but instead they chose to run nonsense stories about global warming, like this one

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010045723_wine12m.html

    and this one

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010073031_lance16.html

    Tell me again, who is in denial?”

    April,
    Why do you think most newspapers are losing their readers?

  69. NFL quick fact:

    Ther Patriots (booh) beat the losers 59 – 0 …. in a snow storm!

    This is October 18th guys.

    Hey, God, get with the program!!

  70. Global warming/climate change has been the topic for these past few days. If you surf the internet you will see so many sites about it. The whole world is affected by it. I myself have a story to tell – About three weeks ago, we were hit by two very strong storms. We never had that in decades. They left our country with still so many flooded areas, a lot were homeless and lost so many loved ones. Until now, we are still sweeping the streets from mud and tons of ruined appliances drowned from the flood. The effects of those twin storm were devastating. It’s not wet season for us here, but we we were informed that we are still expecting four more storms on this last quarter of the year. And just this morning, local news says, weeks from now, we are expecting a strong earthquake to hit the metro city including the nearby provinces. This is the same Metro city hit by the twin storms. And the news says its all because of global warming/climate change. I’m blithely about the issue before, but when the twin storm hit us plus all the bad news, I thought, I must do something too. To solve the global warming problem, it must be stormed at the national and international levels.But the total success is built upon the action of every individual, regardless of nationality, to conserve energy and live in a greener, cleaner community.

  71. If somebody wants to stop by Boston today, I can make a ball of “climate change” and throw it at them.

  72. @Chicago Property Management – The newspapers will blame blizzards on global warming. I have nothing against getting away for ME oil for political reasons, but the balance of the it is bad science and worse propaganda.

  73. Rbateman: “That’s what turn even me Green with envy.
    How come Russia can prepare itself for what every government knows is coming, but the West insists upon laying waste to it’s infrastructure?
    Is this another Rod Serling script?
    I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
    And it’s really coming down.”

    Agreed…and how about them Patriots!

    Even if it is Massachusetts, folks, to get near SEA LEVEL significant snowfall in the USA like this, in mid-October, is breathtaking.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  74. It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)

  75. rbateman (12:51:18): Something [fishy] is going on.
    The Sun has been in the output deficit mode for about 3 years. The Golden Years of a Warm Earth are about to be repossessed.

    Invariant (13:44:12) : Sine and cosine are a quarter period out of phase, thus the delay between the two curves is 11.1/4 = 2.8 years which is quite close to the 3 years of rbateman.

    Mind-bending post, Invariant. Thank you.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  76. 4 billion (18:25:31) : “It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)”

    Umm….they are not that inaccurate, but they still pass.

    The point is, if they are biased warm next to airports and urban heat islands and such, then how much colder than the data shows!!

    You backed yourself into that one. ;-)

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  77. Weather and Climate.
    We often read here that weather is not climate. The statement in quite correct, yet weather is the face of the climate, the phenomenon which we humans experience first hand. It is the daily code which we average Joes & Josephines use to evaluate, rightly or wrongly, our view of the climate. The professional weather people like to keep track of surface pressure patterns and movement, citing “The trend is your friend”.

    2009 is the year the Bermuda high and the pacific high pressure systems fell apart! Well, not completely, but the patterns have been ill formed most of the year to present. A useful current view can be seen here: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/ using the gfdl panel in loop mode.

    The pressure gradients create the winds; winds move water, and water moves heat. That is the weather/climate connection for me. Annual changes in surface winds affect ocean surface circulation characteristics as in; velocity of movement, thermal absorption/dissipation (duration of thermal source exposure).

    The other major player is the northern hemisphere Jet Stream; https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/efs/cgibin/efs_loop.cgi?strt=0&incr=24&stop=240&imagePrefix=US058VMET-GIFwxg.EFS.nh_sc_5640_&title=EFS%20500%20HPa%20Single%20Contour%20Probability ,

    (Note; The Navy and Microsoft do not play well together but, since I am not a party to the certificate dispute, I use it anyway.)

    Weather events, fueled by high and low pressure cells, form on either side of the Jet Stream. The seasonal latitude position, stability (loopy-ness), and the velocity (intrinsic energy) move the pressure systems. These two sites provide in a way, an illustration of the daily pulse of the climate.
    Many years of weather watching prompts me to use an old cliché as it truly applies, ‘things are different this time’. The major earth climate entities, oceans, jet stream, and atmosphere, appear to be losing energy, i.e. slowing down and cooling.
    As to ‘who dunnit’? the jury is still out and I expect will remain so for some time.
    Meanwhile, down here on the ranch in a time of change, the opportunists are in full siren song, “Follow me, for I am the Path”. When one is enmeshed in the emotion of the argument (it’s not a debate any longer), the view is lost.

  78. “Richard (10:14:14) :

    Mt Ruapehu in New Zealand which has announced it is further extending its season to November 8th, officially making theirs the longest season in the Southern Hemisphere.”

    Some snow falls here in the Australian skii areas last week too, but you won’t hear much about it in MSM. In fact, they don’t mention any downward deviation in tems at all it appears however, they keep stating that Darwin is hot at 35c, which is pretty normal for Darwin.

    PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.

  79. The National Wildlife Refuge had a publicity event this Friday, Saturday, and today. Virtually no visitors showed up in the Great Swamp Refuge here in northern NJ, because it was too cold. Our local ham radio club participated by setting up an HF station. One of the contacts on Saturday afternoon was an Alaskan station. The temperature there was 40 degrees F, identical with the temperature here in northern NJ. I don’t think we have hit 70 anytime this month.

  80. J. D. Lindskog (18:47:32) :

    The major earth climate entities, oceans, jet stream, and atmosphere, appear to be losing energy, i.e. slowing down and cooling.

    It began for us in 2008, when the winds went on for weeks on end.
    It got worse this year. It is as if the weather (Pressure systems) were stuck.
    Who dunnit?
    Good question.

  81. Douglas DC (08:30:41) :

    For all we know the Stevenson screen is located behind the kitchen at the truck stop.

    This is the location of the Chemult, Oregon station.

    Lat : 43.2 N
    Long : 121.8 W

    I don’t know the street address. Do you still go by Chemult? If you do perhaps you could take a lot of photos of the station and surroundings?

  82. rbateman (14:04:11) :

    I’m watching a snow bowl with Tenn at New England…in mid October.
    And it’s really coming down.

    Those games usually happen in December.

  83. Robert Wood (16:43:54) :

    NFL quick fact:

    Ther Patriots (booh) beat the losers 59 – 0 …. in a snow storm!

    This is October 18th guys.

    Hey, God, get with the program!!

    I guess God doesn’t get sleepless nights from Al Gore’s movie like children have been having.

    What’s that quote about God laughing?

  84. Chicago Property Management (17:33:20) :

    but when the twin storm hit us plus all the bad news, I thought, I must do something too.

    I think I should do something too.

    Here’s my commitment :

    –I going to continue to have a cheeseburger when the fancy hits me.

    –I’m going to continue to keep my house comfortably heated in the winter.

    –I am going to continue to believe the data instead of the pictures of doom that people like you create.

  85. Patrick Davis (19:00:57) : PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.

    Its Ruapehu. It last blew in 2007 when a rock crashed onto some poor guy who lost a leg.

  86. savethesharks (18:40:45) :

    4 billion (18:25:31) : “It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)”

    Umm….they are not that inaccurate, but they still pass.

    The point is, if they are biased warm next to airports and urban heat islands and such, then how much colder than the data shows!!

    You backed yourself into that one. ;-)

    So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc would seem to be legitimate records, even taking into account UHI, as there are is consistant record high readings across the area.

    James. Australia SA

  87. Håkan B (07:35:48) : Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)

    “I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.”

    Central pivot irrigation. Look also at 46.047 and -119.45

    Search on the phrase [Central pivot irrigation ] on the web or Google images for some explanation and images.

  88. Chemult several degrees warmer than anywhere else nearby

    I see that in the map at the top of the post Oregon has a single red dot. It’s in Chemult, Oregon. I did a search for the temp station but couldn’t find any photos of it. I am wondering if the station is near a heat source, i.e., affected by UHI.
    Håkan B (07:35:48) :

    Gene Nemetz (07:09:38)

    I looked Chemult Oregon up in Google Earth, what are all those green circles? Never seen something like it.

    Green circles are irrigated crops and probably the reason for the high temperature. Pump a lot of water into the air and viola, a water vapor greenhouse effect. Enough to raise temperatures by several degrees.

  89. Talk about confirmation bias!

    A cold week proves what, again?

    I picked a random date- 9/20- at HAMweather- and got a 10:1 ratio of record high records to record lows. Which proves bupkus.

    If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    This data is noise; this post is noise.

  90. “If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    This data is noise; this post is noise.”

    If the world was warming then record highs would be required to prove it.
    If the world was warming there would be no record lows.
    There are an awful lot of record lows.
    The world is not warming.

    Sorry to pour logic on your faith.

  91. 4 billion (21:21:23) :

    So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc

    That is UHI, and El Niño. Those records are just weather. Weather is not climate.

    The earth is in a general cooling trend. This cooling trend not predicted in the manmade global warming computer model forecasts.

  92. Rapid increase in Northern Hemisphere snowcover

    from 2% below to 2% above 10-yr climatology 14 Oct 09

    [img]http://www.iceagenow.com/snowcover-2009-4month.png[/img]

    [img]http://www.iceagenow.com/nhmap-14Oct09.png[/img]

    URL: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/  (Dr Bob Hart, FSU)
    Thanks to Joe D’Aleo for this link     

    http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/  Dr Bob Hart, FSU
    Thanks to Joe D’Aleo for this link

    http://www.iceagenow.com/Rapid_increase_in_Northern_Hemisphere_snowcover.htm

  93. “Richard (21:15:10) :

    Patrick Davis (19:00:57) : PS. Mt Ruhapeu is an active volcano too.

    Its Ruapehu. It last blew in 2007 when a rock crashed onto some poor guy who lost a leg.”

    Anyone, when in a hurry, can make a mistake, said the DARLEK crawling off a dustbin.

  94. Follow on: to green circles, irrigation, humidity, and so on

    The irrigation I see is 40 miles to the east in Lake County and not likely to have much to do with the Chemult station. The area in between seems to have been forest that has had extensive clear cuts (timber).

    and to syphax:
    Lighten up. It’s been a hard week and we need a little relaxation. This is sort of like talking about a movie or TV show over lunch – that is, if we went to movies, watched TV, or stopped for lunch. But think, because of you I now know that SEA experienced a heat wave in January. Thanks for that! Now it is your turn, say something nice.

  95. “syphax (21:30:21) :

    If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    This data is noise; this post is noise.”

    It was 47c in Ashfield, NSW, January 1st 2005. And in the SE part of Australia I live in, it’s been pretty cool these last few summers since. As I mentioned before, long ago in anther thread, last summer, there was a significant drop in the number of flies around (The Aussie wave). I’ll be taking note this summer too.

  96. syphax (21:30:21) : Talk about confirmation bias! A cold week proves what, again?

    If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    This data is noise; this post is noise.

    Firstly its not a week. We have been freezing here (NZ) for about a month at least.

    SE Australia is a big area. The snowy mountains are in SE Australia – where exactly are you talking about? Were you in SE Australia in January?

    Are you still in SE Australia?

    Cause its pretty cold there now. QLD temperatures up to 10 degrees below average in the Central West, The Channel Country and the Southeast. Stanthorpe dropped to minus one degree, 10 degrees below their October average.

    Inverell and Tamworth coldest October night in 14 years. Armidale coldest October night in 6 years. Tenterfield coldest October night in 23 years. And there was snow in Victoria a few days ago.

    You right though – this maybe just noise.

    What is not noise however is that Global Warming has stopped now for over a decade.

  97. 4 Billion “So the record heat temperatures around Florida, Georgia etc would seem to be legitimate records, even taking into account UHI, as there are is consistant record high readings across the area.”

    UHH….yep they ARE indeed legitimate, James.

    But your record maxima pale in comparison to the converse….so do you really have an argument here?

    To be fair though…it can be explained as so much warm air being squashed against a deep polar trough. Nothing unusual considering.

    Here is the best explanation yet:

    We are likely seeing this record hot October in Florida because of a counter reaction to how cold the atmosphere is across the vast majority of North America, the typical northward migration of mild air in October which normally covers the USA still, even now, is squashed by very cold air that’s dominated the overall picture throughout this past summer and was established a few years ago thanks in part to the La Nina of 2008. Same for here in Western Europe, the vast pool of cold air driving into the European Alps is redircting the warmth towards Britain and the low countries of Western Europe. There is still plenty of warm air around, it must go somewhere and if it can’t, you then see record heat develop as well as unusual warmth in unusual places.”

    From Mark Vogan on his blog…..thanks Mark.

    Meanwhile James….if you want to form a legitimate argument….you need to set forth legitimate concerns.

    Your HOT FLORIDA concern….in light of the rest of the USA being rather BLUE…is not significant.

    Even so, the even if it was….the ghost of the AMO still haunts the SE USA like a warm sultry Charleston Spanish-moss draped night….and is a good explanation as any as to the warmth in the SE.

    It will not go way easily.

    CHRIS
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  98. syphax (21:30:21) :

    I picked a random date- 9/20

    The number of heat records broken would have made meant more instead of an ratio. Did you know that taking a longer period of time would have been more fair?

    Also, why did you pick a day in a warm month?

  99. syphax (21:30:21) :

    (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    Does the data showing that warming ended in 1998, 11 years ago, change your opinion of anything?

  100. syphax (21:30:21) :

    This data is noise; this post is noise.

    The noise I see here is the incessant noise people like you make to try to keep people distracted form what is really happening with the climate.

  101. Notice that almost all these record lows are not in the major cities in their respective states? A few airports were thrown in for good measure.

    Could it be that the UHI effect kept the major cities from breaking record lows?

  102. 4 billion (18:25:31) :
    It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)

    When the bias is to the high side, low reports are notable.
    When the bias is to the high side, high reports are mistakes.

    The bias is to the high side.

  103. “The bias is to the high side.”

    Yeah he backed into that corner a while back….but thanks for pointing out again the obvious…and the glaring truth for that matter!

    4 Billion! What say ye?? Your arguments are dust.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  104. 4 billion (18:25:31) :
    It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)

    When the bias is to the high side, low reports are notable.
    When the bias is to the high side, high reports are mistakes.

    The bias is to the high side.

    So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.

    Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.

    James
    Adelaide, Australia

  105. Juraj V. (15:12:47) :

    Klausb (14:05:47) :
    For the year, 2009, will be coldest one since 1997.

    Really? Here in Slovakia we had Jan-Feb close to average (=cold 1960-90 baseline), very warm April (+4 deg C above), average (=cold) June, 1-2 deg C above May-September and now under average October, even its first decade was warm. So up to now, 2009 average is similar to previous years.

    Juray,
    Station Frankfurt Airport No. 100637 (DWD)

    1997 10.70°C
    1998 10.93°C
    1999 11.28°C
    2000 11.56°C
    2001 10.78°C
    2002 11.19°C
    2003 11.41°C
    2004 10.65°C
    2005 10.98°C
    2006 11.19°C
    2007 11.39°C
    2008 10.98°C

    2009 so far 10.58°C,
    when assuming:
    8.5 °C for October (so far and guess)
    5.0 °C for November
    2.9 °C for December

  106. Talk of slanted news – Gordon Brown warns of climate ‘catastrophe’ “Negotiators have 50 days to ‘save the world’ from global warming” – is the fellow just plain stupid? or maybe he also wants the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Lets see how temperatures pan out in December, specially in Copenhagen. It wouldn’t be a good look if they are snowed under while arguing for Global Warming, though it did Al Gore no harm when he braved an ice storm to testify about Global warming in the senate and Hansen when he protested during a blizzard.

  107. Over at Accuweather Joe Bastardi has been looking at two winters which grew out of a similar pattern, 1951-1952 and 1976-1977. The first was quite mild in the USA northeast, while the second was one of the worst I remember.

    Mr. Bastardi suggests the key may well be when the El Nino fades. If it fades now the 1951-1952 winter’s mildness may be in store, but if the El Nino pulses back to borderline-moderate, and then fades during the winter, the east coast will shudder like it did in 1976-1977. Mr. Bastardi was leaning towards the 1976-1977 winter.

    I lived on the coast of Maine back then, and recall I could walk over a mile out onto Casco Bay, on the sea ice. Meanwhile it was warm up in Alaska, for the jet stream looped far to the north, and then plunged all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. As I recall there was sea ice even down in Chesapeke Bay.

    Winters are like snowflakes; no two are alike, but if this coming winter resembles 1976-1977 a lot of US population centers will be rolling their eyes at the media, for the media will (of course) be focusing on the warmth in Alaska, and ignoring the sea-ice in east coast ports. I’m not even sure the sea-ice in Deleware bay or Boston Harbor gets counted, when east coast winters are especially harsh, but I’m sure less ice up in Alaska will be duely noted, by the people who measure sea-ice.

    If a lobe of cold bulges south in the east of the USA, there are often bulges of cold curving south over central Europe and over eastern Asia. Large population centers such as Berlin and Tokeyo would be effected. However when the warmer temperatures in places like Alaska are averaged in, the world-wide average might come in slightly above average, at least until the El Nino fades.

    I would guess the satellite readings might be colder, for they would miss the warmer poles. GISS would, of course, make some “temperature adjustments,” and next winter will be “the X warmest ever.” However the people shivering in population centers will get tired of hearing how warm it is world-wide. When you are freezing your bleep off, the last thing you want to hear your elected representative talk about is how warm it is in Alaska.

    A winter like 1951-1952 would be best for me, for I have to work outside, and my circulation isn’t as good as it used to be. However I’m actually hoping for a winter like 1976-1977, because I feel the politicians need to squirm a bit. They think they can control the weather, when they can’t even control their spending or their selves? Egos like that need some deflation.

  108. “Patrick Davis (22:13:17) :

    It was 47c in Ashfield, NSW, January 1st 2005. And in the SE part of Australia I live in, it’s been pretty cool these last few summers since. As I mentioned before, long ago in anther thread, last summer, there was a significant drop in the number of flies around (The Aussie wave). I’ll be taking note this summer too.”

    Correction, that was Jan 1st 2006. I just closed all the doors and windows and remained in doors, but at least, it was very dry humidity wise, hot yes oh yes, but dry.

  109. Interesting that the Earth weather is stuck in the same slow progress as the Solar Cycle is stuck in it’s slow progress.
    Images of those super-tall highs and lows reaching from the Baja to Alaska at times.
    Climate Change you can believe in: Watts Up outside your window.
    1976-77 was a stuck weather pattern. Only back then, it was the Eastern half of the country what got whacked.
    Now, look at the map of this topic.

  110. John F. Hultquist (21:21:56)
    Philip_B (21:29:55)
    Thanks for the explanation, I guess we here in Sweden are blessed, being irregated from the sky regularly, so I’ve never seen something like this.

  111. “syphax (21:30:21) :

    If you guys were in SE Australia in January (12 days in a row over 40 deg C), would that change your opinion of anything?

    No. A run of 40+C days occurs frequently across most of Australia.

    Although, on the same day as the subject of this post 10th October, Perth Western Australia had its hottest 10th Oct on record, 36C. That was after the coldest September in 20 years.

    My point being, that cherry picking data proves nothing.

    This data is noise; this post is noise.”

    Data is never noise. Noise is something that it is in data. But a nice scientific sounding derogatory comment. Ever thought about becoming a climate scientist, syphax? It’s a great career for people who can bandy around psuedo-scientific terms like they know what they are talking about.

  112. The Adelaide airport has a long temperature history. It is located within the city but near enough to the ocean that there is almost no UHI effect.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=501946720004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

    SA had a high temperature run last year, along with the rest of Australia; but it doesn’t appear to show up on the average temperature record.

    Temperatures this winter have been cooler much longer than the last few years. Not really “climate”, but it should have people here in Australia questioning the Theory of Global Warming.

    Cheers,

    Steve

  113. Colder or warmer – we’re going to get the blame anyway. Bless me, Father, for I have sinned; I left the landing light on all night yesterday.

  114. Yes, yes…my car was coated in ice yesterday morning….the Patriots and Titans played football in a snowstorm in Foxboro yesterday….this has been one of the coldest Octobers on record in this part of the country (following THE coldest July on record)….but the temperature is expected to soar to 70 degrees midweek! There! There is your global warming! I told you so! Ha!

  115. 4 billion (01:06:52) :

    Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.

    Nobody said all.

  116. 4 billion (01:06:52) :

    Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.

    You can become informed about Florida land use in relation to temperature readings here :

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/02/10/floridatrend-its-hot-but-dont-blame-global-warming/

    Neither the intensity of the heat nor the increasing number of hotter days
    was related to water temperatures in the Atlantic and Gulf, a fact that
    surprised Winsberg. The heat trends also weren’t consistent across the state. In fact, some areas, notably in the northeast part of the state, saw a shorter hot season and a decrease in the number of dog days.

  117. While US and northern Europe are quite cold, it appears Siberia is once again very warm. I wonder if anyone has ever removed Siberia from the data and processed it to see how much warming is seen in the rest of the world. If only Siberia is warming, then obviously it’s not global.

  118. 4 billion (01:06:52) :

    So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.

    ———————–

    Nobody ever said this either.

    Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.

    There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.

    The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend. This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.

    So as you can see the manmade global warming hypothesis is wrong.

  119. 4 billion (01:06:52) :

    4 billion.

    Is that a prediction as to how much money Al Gore will make from global warming? He has already made 100 million.

    Just wondering.

  120. Gene Nemetz … on God laughing

    Find it in Book of Psalms – Psalms 59:8; 37:13; Job 41:29

    God bless you Gene.

  121. Caleb (02:08:25)

    Caleb, as a former power-plant engineer, what I have an actual concern about is a repeat of the Jan 1994 arctic outbreak, which was concentrated in the populus eastern half of the US & even south to Florida. The power supply & transmission-grid were stretched to the breaking point & large areas barely escaped brownouts/blackouts. Since then there has been little addition or improvement to the systems (& prb’ly ~15% increase in demand), so a similar occurrence could break the system on a large scale.

    Being without power when there’s gale-force winds & -15F could be a problem…

  122. DaveF (05:05:03) :

    Colder or warmer – we’re going to get the blame anyway. Bless me, Father, for I have sinned; I left the landing light on all night yesterday.

    You’ve got no worries mate, I’m against the wall long before you! ;-)

    I have at least one PC on 24/7/365.25.

    DaveE.

  123. Speaking about cold autumn – just last week there was a lot of snow in Czech Republic, roads covered, electricity lines torn down by trees faloing under the heavy snow and about 70 000 people without electricity and/or heating. Nice middle of October in the central Europe, isn’t it?
    There was even a widespread use of the word “unprecedented” in the news, this time in conjunction with the words “snow” and “cold” which is also unprecedented.
    ;-)

  124. State College PA is home to Penn State. Philly PA is home to the U. of Penn. Mann is at the U of Penn.

    Alas.

  125. 4 billion (01:06:52) :
    4 billion (18:25:31) :
    It is interesting to note that Weather stations across America have become a accurate source of Temperature measurement :-)

    “When the bias is to the high side, low reports are notable.
    When the bias is to the high side, high reports are mistakes.

    The bias is to the high side.”

    So there can be no record high temperatures, interesting.

    Problem with logic, I see. You have an argument from: taking a true statement and then stretching it to where it did not go, then claiming that the stretch is wrong so the orginal point is wrong. Logic does not work that way (though politicians, lawyers, PR folks, and AGW advocates often do).

    That the reports are mistaken from a high side bias does not preclude a record high temperature, it only says that the magnitude will be overstated and that the actual number of such reports will be artificially high by an amount proportional to the high bias.

    Somebody should tell Florida that all their thermometers are faulty.

    Well, they have: http://www.surfacestations.org/

    But they will still have had some unknowable number of legitimate records in that “flush” since they did have hot air sucked up over them by the MASSIVE flow of cold air down the center of the country… just not as many as are on the map based on biased thermometers.

    Think “Lava Lamp”: When a cool blob sinks from the top, a warm blob is sucked up to replace it. At the bottom, blobs rising from heat suck other blobs down to replace them. Closed system with lateral movement constrained. Similarly the air is shallow. A huge air flow from the north in one place can only flow at lower altitude under so much air, the rest flows north around the southbound flow. What matters is not that tropical air got pulled over Florida so much as that a much larger mass of extraordinarily cold air flowed south and far earlier than usual. That is how the cold is being distributed into the lower latitudes.

    Learn to think proportionately instead of “black / white”. It will help the quality of your under standing and avoid silly broken arguments to the extreme…

  126. Hey Roger Knights (12:16:26)–

    Fear not, Michael Mann does whatever he does from Penn State in State College Pa. (NOT UPenn), so Prof Mann had to suffer through wall to wall WeatherChannel and NCAA football coverage of the unprecendented mid October snow storm in State College during homecoming week. It’s a beautiful thing.

  127. Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :
    This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.

    With the honorable exception of Theodore Landscheidt et al. (in this et. al. must be included all followers, some present in this forum).

  128. Caleb (02:08:25) : A winter like 1951-1952 would be best for me, for I have to work outside, and my circulation isn’t as good as it used to be.

    Circulation cuts back to save heat, it picks up when you have excess, so you need to provide some “excess”. This can be as simple as a hot water bottle under the shirt or a thermos of coffee; or as fancy as electrically heated socks.

    I saw an interesting test once where some folks put on the electric socks and their whole body felt warmer. The body was trying to move the heat from the feet and it only one place it could put it …

    Oh, and you lose about 1/4 of all heat lost through the head. Long hair, good insulated hat, scarf, hood, whatever. Just keep the top insulated and the feet heated. Then the rest takes care of itself..

    I’ve spent hours outdoors in snow and cold with double thick socks / insulated boots, levi jeans, shirt/jacket, and decent top cover: with bare hands that felt fine.

    Oh, and you get about a 5% metabolic lift from each major category of “fuel” you eat (fats, carbohydrates, proteins). This is additive (since they use different metabolic paths to be digested and used). So one trick is just to assure your breakfast has a roughly even mix of each. Then you have a 15% metabolic “kicker” warming you compared to the guy who had coffee for breakfast.

    There is a reason my Amish farmer ancestors had a breakfast of: Bacon, ham and eggs, jam, toast, hashbrown potatoes or grits cooked with fat topped with cheese, pancakes, lots of butter, real maple syrup … You eat that then do physical work outdoors, you will be plenty warm. (Yes, I’ve done it too… BTW, Grampa died in his ’90s on that diet and it was not from heart problems… )

    Oh, and whatever you do avoid 100% of all trans-fats. As near as I can tell it plugs up your fat metabolizing enzymes and not only do you get fat and have heart problems (since you can not burn the fat, it piles up) but you also feel cold and hungry… So no margarine on those pancakes, OK? Real Butter. Butter is good for you. (Most margarines were still 1/3 transfat last I looked about 6 mos ago. You can find some that are not, but why bother.)

    FWIW, “Palm Oil” and “Coconut Oil” are also somewhat special. They are classed with the “saturated fats” but this ignores the fact that they have shorter chain fatty acids in them. The short ones (less than about 9 to 12 long I think it was) do not go to the “belly bulge”, they are directly metabolized in the liver immediately. So if you want to feel warm, they warm you up fast. Cocoa Butter is also a short chain, and this is why good chocolate will “warm you up” faster. It has cocoa butter that goes to the liver and is immediately turned into heat and energy. (The cheap stuff these days takes the cocoa butter out and replaces it with a crummy synthetic fat… ricinol ester IIRC. Get the good stuff and be warm ;-) FWIW, butyric acid in butter is only 4 carbons long in the main chain. Butter good, transfat evil. Be warm!

  129. Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :

    Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.

    Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 despite the solar minimum, negative PDO and whatever else. 1998 was an exception.

    There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.

    I haven’t noticed it.

    The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend.

    Only if you select a short enough time period which ends with the effects of the 2007/08 La Nina. All 5 main temperature datasets show Sept 2009 to be the 2nd warmest September on record. There is no evidence that significant cooling is underway.

  130. Adolfo Giurfa (13:09:20) :
    “Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :
    This cooling trend was not predicted to happen in any of the global warming computer model scenarios.”
    With the honorable exception of Theodore Landscheidt et al. (in this et. al. must be included all followers, some present in this forum).

    Um, I thought Landscheidt had the good sense to base his analysis on first principles and not use computer model fantasies? I trust first principles far more…

    (I’m more of a ‘watching the parade from the sidelines, cheering’ than a follower, but sometimes I run along after the bits I like the most so I can see them again and again… Landscheidt is one of those bits… Just a very clean well thought out presentation that keeps on matching reality with predictions – not projections, real honest predictions – decades in advance. Yes, needs an “acceptable” mechanism filled in. But batting over 800 gets attention… )

  131. John Finn (13:25:50) :
    “Gene Nemetz (07:26:38) :Global warming ended in 1998. Any record heat for limited times are part of normal variations in weather.”

    Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 despite the solar minimum, negative PDO and whatever else. 1998 was an exception.

    Playing statistical games, I see. So the peak is an “exception”. Nice bit of data sanitation. Just like the LIA was an exception and the MWP was an exception. Yes sirree, don’t like a data point, just iron it out of existence…

    “There has been far more record cold than heat, longer winters, and shorter, milder summers. Everyone, including you, notices that.”

    I haven’t noticed it.

    Not exactly a surprise. One needs both open eyes and an open mind to clearly observe reality. We’ll see an example just a bit below…

    “The general trend in the earth is a cooling trend.”

    Only if you select a short enough time period which ends with the effects of the 2007/08 La Nina. All 5 main temperature datasets show Sept 2009 to be the 2nd warmest September on record. There is no evidence that significant cooling is underway.

    OR if you chose a long enough time period. There is an interesting study of this “cherry pick by time period” with graphs of gradually lengthening time periods showing progressive swaps of trend from cooling (now), to warming (baseline a bit further back), to cooling, to warming, to…

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/how-long-is-a-long-temperature-history/

    Where you can see that the 1880 “start of history” for GIStemp is a great “cherry pick” of a starting point. We warm from there. But we are flat from 1720. And on a longer term, we are consistently cooling for the last 10,000 or so years. Take a look at the holocene on this graph (part of the above link too):

    First off, notice that the LAST interglacial was significantly warmer than now at peak. Gee, no tipping point.

    Then notice that the holocene has been steadily down hill and still is.

    With that context, all the rest of the “new ice age in 1970s” and the “AGW now” can be seen as simply the result of being too short sighted to see that we are on a cyclical temperature rollercoaster from natural cycles that give us 11 year, 30 year, 60 year, 176-210 year, 300 year, and even a 1500 year (Bond Event) cycles.

    Depending on where you choose to start time, you can get any “trend” you like, warming or cooling, with one exception. If you take a very very long time, you see that we sit on top of a very tiny peak of warm in a millions years long cycle of such peaks in a flat series. From that point of view, we MUST and we WILL get colder. Much colder. (The nice bit is it will take a few hundred to thousands years to notice much). And on the time scale of 10,000 years we are clearly in a relatively gentle downtrend.. headed for a cold cliff. And on the time scale of 1000 years we’ve hit a cyclical local peak and are ready to roll down. AND on the very local 10 year time scale you can see the same sin wave peak in the span of time you chose, if you don’t play statistical games with it but just step back and look at it.

    Oh, and per the temperature series, I no longer trust them. If you look at the thermometers themselves (NOT the manipulated series) you get a very different view. For example:

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/the-northern-hemisphere-what-warming/

    where we see that the “warming” seems to come in a step function right when the thermometers are pruned heavily. Not much of an evil CO2 signature in a dead flat trend that jumps up in one decade with a good thermometer pruning…

    One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator. Another has lost its data (“The Dogs Lunch” i.e. Hadley). I’m not very impressed with any of the massaged data series… The thermometers have problems enough, what’s done with them after that is just horrid.)

  132. E.M.Smith (14:13:21) :

    Playing statistical games, I see. So the peak is an “exception”. Nice bit of data sanitation. Just like the LIA was an exception and the MWP was an exception. Yes sirree, don’t like a data point, just iron it out of existence…

    We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998. The last 5 year period (2004-2008) was warmer than any other 5 year period in the satellite record. The 5 year period before that (1999-2003) was the second warmest, (1994-1998) the 3rd warmest and so on. It isn’t cooling.

    As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them. When did the LIA start/end? What evidence is there that the LIA was in fact a simultaneous global event? Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?

  133. One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator.

    Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

  134. I have been keeping track of temperatures as reported by Public Service of NH for some time. Due to a couple of factors they did not make the January temperatures available, but since then have given them on a monthly basis with the temperature for the comparable previous year period.

    I have summed the discrepancies for the 8 months of the year available to date. The sum is minus 12 degrees F. That is an average of 1.5 degrees below last year. I am sitting here looking at snow on the ground in October for the first time in the 40 years I have lived in this town in SW NH.

    A couple of years ago I did a statistical analysis of the trend for the previous dozen years average temperature. It was dead flat. Ove that same time human carbon dioxide emissions worldwide increased 25% per calculations from Oak Ridge scientists.

    The above is only a part of my personal observations on the matter, all of which paint a consistent picture. Someone will have a lot of explaining to do in order to convince me that carbon dioxide is a significant factor in our climate.

  135. John Finn (13:25:50) :
    Warming did not end in 1998. Every year since 2001 has been warmer than every year in the 1990s – including 2009 ..

    How can you include 2009? 2009 has not ended yet. Julius Caesar scoffed the soothsayer “The ides of March have come” – “Aye but not gone”

    The years 2000 and 2008 have been cooler than 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1998

    The warming may not have “ended” but it stopped in 1998 if you take the trendline.

  136. John Finn. Sorry. The UAH anomaly reached .76 in 1998. Now at .42. There can be NO uptrend without new highs. If you had 76 dollars in 1998, and 42 dollars in 2009, you are not getting wealthier. No amount of squirming can change that fact. When exactly will the 1998 highs be exceeded? We all have been waiting a LONG time for your answer. fm

  137. John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998..

    There was a step increase in 1998. There has been no increase since then. We have to wait for another 5 years to get the true picture.

    This year is not warmer, so far, than many years since 2000 and is unlikely to be.

    To say that “The last 5 year period (2004-2008) was warmer than any other 5 year period in the satellite record. The 5 year period before that (1999-2003) was the second warmest, (1994-1998) the 3rd warmest and so on.” is to harp on the obvious.

    The next 5 years will tell if we will continue to warm, as predicted by Hansen and Hadley, or we will cool contrary to the AGW hypothesis.

    The frantic screams that “we must act now” to commit insane economic harakiri in order to “save the world” is because perhaps the evidence is mounting that we will cool, which if true then Hansen and his like should be given the same treatment he is recommending for sceptics.

  138. Frank Mosher (17:13:50) : John Finn. Sorry. The UAH anomaly reached .76 in 1998. Now at .42

    Where did you get that figure of .42 from? are you comparing a month with a year? You have to compare the average of Jan to Sept with Jan to Sept of other years and 2009 is not the hottest of this decade by any means. I did do it somewhere cant be bothered to find it

  139. Mondale pointed out that average inflation under Reagan from 1981 – 1984 was higher than under Carter.

    Well, Mondale was right. Of course, Mondale was also being ridiculous.

    Reagan dryly responded that if the Carter administration were a book, you’d have to read it from back to front to get a happy ending.

    Inflation was decreasing, just not as fast as it had increased. That’s what’s been going on since 2001 re. temperatures.

  140. Richard. The .42 anomaly was the number given by Roy Spencer, for the lower troposphere for Sept. 2009. The .76 anomaly in 1998, (April), has not been exceeded since. fm

  141. Maybe Chemtrails really do work. We’ve certainly had enough of them, over a long enough period, for them to affect the weather (and our health).

  142. Frank Mosher (17:44:29) :
    Richard. The .42 anomaly was the number given by Roy Spencer, for the lower troposphere for Sept. 2009. The .76 anomaly in 1998, (April), has not been exceeded since. fm

    Not the right way to compare. You are comparing Sept with April. The average so far (for 9 months from Jan to Sept is 0.23 that in 1998 was 0.59)
    Year Jan to Sept Average
    1998 0.59
    2002 0.33
    2003 0.24
    2004 0.18
    2005 0.33
    2006 0.24
    2007 0.32
    2008 0
    2009 0.23

    You can see 2009 is nothing exceptional

  143. John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.

    Sure it is. And would that be red Koolaid or green?

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/how-to-cook-a-temperature-history/

    Where you can see a bit of “cooking” in the last couple of years. Oh, and do look at the “what warming” link above. It, too, shows why I’m not going to buy any temperatures after about 2004 when the Data Langoliers began eating the thermometers.

    As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them.

    They are well defined already. I see no need to indulge on this.

    Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?

    Oh, I don’t know, little things like first hand recorded observation, historical records, period paintings. You know, “evidence” as opposed to computer generated model fantasies. (And I don’t say “fantasies” lightly. I’ve run a Cray site where we did plastic flow modeling. I’ve been “in the business”. The temp series break so many standards it’s worse than a bad joke).

    BTW, it’s not thermometer records that I object to. It is the homogenized data food product produced from them via data manipulation.

    Also, FWIW, this is the GHCN thermometer data (not GIStemp data food product) for near the end of the LIA and encompassing the Year Without A Summer. Format is year, 12 monthly averages, annual average, thermometer count.

    1809 -3.7  1.3  1.8  4.6 13.8 16.1 18.0 18.1 14.1  8.3  2.3  1.9  8.0  35
    1810 -2.6 -1.4  3.2  6.6 11.8 15.2 17.9 17.7 15.7  8.8  3.9  1.3  8.1  35
    1811 -3.7  0.4  5.4  8.3 15.7 19.0 20.0 18.1 14.4 11.4  5.1  0.9  9.5  36
    1812 -3.5  0.4  1.8  5.0 12.8 16.4 17.5 17.9 13.0 10.1  2.0 -4.7  7.3  38
    1813 -3.4  2.0  3.4  9.5 13.8 16.1 18.3 17.5 14.4  8.6  4.2 -0.2  8.6  42
    1814 -4.1 -3.8  1.5  9.4 10.7 15.7 19.4 17.8 13.1  8.5  4.8  1.8  7.9  40
    1815 -3.9  2.0  5.3  8.9 13.9 16.5 17.1 17.3 14.1  9.9  3.1 -1.2  8.5  38
    1816 -0.9 -1.8  2.5  8.1 12.0 15.9 17.2 16.4 13.8  9.3  3.6  0.1  8.0  42
    1817  1.7  2.8  3.5  5.7 13.1 17.5 18.2 17.8 15.1  6.8  5.1 -1.4  8.8  43
    

    While this is a bit later:

    1876  2.9  3.8  5.9 11.3 15.0 19.8 21.6 20.9 17.0 12.3  6.8  1.6 11.5  400
    1877  2.0  5.2  6.2 11.0 14.8 19.6 21.5 20.9 17.4 12.7  8.4  5.9 12.1  413
    1878  3.4  5.7  9.5 13.3 15.9 19.5 22.0 21.6 18.2 13.6  8.6  2.9 12.8  447
    1879  1.9  3.7  7.9 11.6 16.1 19.3 21.5 20.9 17.5 14.3  7.6  3.1 12.1  462
    1880  4.8  4.6  7.0 11.9 16.9 19.6 21.3 20.9 17.8 12.5  6.0  3.2 12.2  472
    1881  0.0  2.3  5.8 10.6 16.6 18.8 21.6 21.1 18.0 12.3  7.1  4.6 11.5  531
    

    Gee, look at that, the LIA was colder. Who knew?

    Also, this is the middle of the “modern CO2 driven heat furnace of death”:

    1981  0.2  2.5  6.1 12.4 15.3 20.6 22.5 21.5 17.7 11.9  7.0  1.6 11.6 1657
    1982 -2.4  0.7  5.6 10.2 16.6 18.9 22.3 21.3 17.8 12.3  6.5  3.6 11.1 1564
    1983  1.5  2.7  6.3 10.2 15.2 19.5 22.9 22.9 18.3 12.8  6.9 -0.9 11.5 1562
    1984 -0.5  2.6  4.6 10.5 15.8 20.3 22.1 21.9 17.3 12.9  5.9  2.0 11.2 1622
    1985 -2.6 -0.3  6.4 12.4 16.7 19.5 22.2 21.3 17.5 12.7  5.6 -0.5 10.9 1620
    1986  1.1  1.1  7.1 12.1 16.5 20.8 22.5 21.1 17.8 12.5  6.0  1.7 11.6 1618
    

    To paraphrase someone about questionable foods:

    “Where’s the Heat!?”

    But when we get to the last decade and the Data Langoliers start eating the thermometers, we get a sudden very out of character “warming” largely concentrated in a couple of winter months. This pattern is strong enough that fraud investigations have been started by less (yes, I’ve caught folks on the strength of less and they were proven guilty on further invesitgation).

    2003  0.1  0.9  7.0 11.9 16.7 20.4 23.7 23.7 18.6 13.6  7.5  2.7 12.2 1039
    2004 -0.4  1.8  8.6 12.3 17.5 20.5 22.7 21.5 19.5 13.8  8.1  2.6 12.3 1039
    2005  1.3  3.6  6.1 12.3 16.0 21.5 24.0 23.2 20.3 13.8  8.1  0.9 12.5 1022
    2006  3.9  1.8  6.5 12.9 16.6 20.3 22.4 21.4 18.1 13.5  8.9  5.9 12.6  999
    2007  4.8  3.5  9.2 12.7 17.2 20.2 21.7 22.1 18.4 14.2  7.9  4.8 13.0  223
    2008  4.0  5.2  8.8 12.8 16.7 20.1 22.2 21.6 17.7 13.5  8.6  4.3 12.9  225
    

    Notice the step function in January as the thermometers are taken out back and shot? Gee, same thing happens in December… (August, not so much… guess CO2 does take summers off…

    So you can keep the kool-aid, thank you very much. I’ll stick with well tended thermometers. If I can find any kept alive…

    John Finn (15:12:43) :
    One of the “temperature series” I’ve pretty much taken apart and found to be a trashy data fabricator.

    Would this be GISS?

    Yes it is. I’ve documented it’s ills and I have it running about 4 feet away from me as I type this.

    Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

    When one has a known broken clock, and another one agrees with it, that is grounds for investigating the second clock, not trusting the first one.

    I also notice you neatly left out the recent Langolier Years…

    GIStemp is broken. Demonstrably so (as I’ve demonstrated). Anything that agrees with it needs investigation

    And a question I’ve asked a few times, that all ways seems to be ignored (that leads me to believe it is a very important question…)

    Were these satellites calibrated against the ground series? If not, then how?

    BTW, GIStemp does it’s data fabrication by “rewriting the past” of a thermometer history. It neatly cuts off this behaviour at the start of the satellite data… Think about it. i’ll wait. (I’ll be continuing to work on uncovering what is increasingly looking more like fraud than stupidity, but I’ll be waiting while I work.)

  144. John Finn (13:25:50) :

    No year since 1998 has been warmer than 1998. There has been a cooling trend since then. The world can feel the cooling trend. Are you insisting that people cannot feel the cooling? Are you suggesting we should believe you rather than our senses?

    Global warming ended in 1998. The data shows this. The data is more important than your political spin.

    The earth has always warmed and cooled. It is normal.

  145. John Finn (13:25:50) :

    I haven’t noticed it.

    You must not watch weather reports on tv. Or you are in denial. Or both.

    I suppose it must be hard for you to watch the earth cooling. I can guess it’s like watching a sports team that you want badly to win but it is losing with little chance of a come back before the game ends.

  146. John Finn (13:25:50) :

    I haven’t noticed it.

    But you must be noticing that predictions made by Al Gore and other manmade global warming advocates are not coming to pass.

    Or has there been revisions to the predictions so it can appear they are happening?

    I know there was a change made in terminology : ‘global warming’ changed to climate change’. Warming stop and change was happening. Oops, better call it climate change.

  147. E.M.Smith (18:56:20) Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

    When one has a known broken clock, and another one agrees with it, that is grounds for investigating the second clock, not trusting the first one.

    GIStemp is broken. Demonstrably so (as I’ve demonstrated). Anything that agrees with it needs investigation…

    And a question I’ve asked a few times, that all ways seems to be ignored (that leads me to believe it is a very important question…)

    Were these satellites calibrated against the ground series? If not, then how?

    I’m listening now. Maybe Dr Spencer can answer this question? Or Anthony?

  148. John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.

    Oh, and I’d dispute this as well. Using the same “best thermometer” data directly from GHCN. Notice that 1990 has a total of 12.9 while 2006 is 12.6C. I’ve left out the two worst Langolier Years (2007, 2008) as they are too corrupted by thermometer change to be usable. So we’ve been cooling since 1990.

    There was a Blip in 1998 to 13C, then we drop back through 12.5 and 12.2, just as we rose through them in 1992, 1994, 1995, on our way to the 13 peak. Exactly what one would expect from a local peak with a ramp in and back out and with a 10 ish year ripple from solar cycles.

    Now as to what is happening NOW in 2009. Well, since we’ve seen that the thermometer composite instrument has been broken by thermometer deletions, I suggest looking out the window. See all the white stuff in the world, that is snow. Lots of it. Oh, gee, even easier, look at the graph up top of the posting…

    1990  3.7  4.6  8.4 12.0 16.0 20.9 22.6 22.3 19.4 13.6  9.0  2.9 12.9 1634
    1991  0.8  4.9  7.9 13.0 17.8 21.1 23.2 22.6 18.7 13.6  6.2  3.5 12.7 1391
    1992  2.4  4.9  7.7 12.0 16.6 19.9 22.1 21.1 18.5 12.9  6.3  1.8 12.1 1198
    1993  0.8  0.5  5.7 10.9 16.9 20.5 23.2 22.8 17.9 12.5  5.6  2.4 11.6 1179
    1994 -1.1  0.6  7.4 12.5 16.4 21.9 23.1 22.2 19.0 13.4  7.9  3.6 12.2 1091
    1995  1.4  2.9  7.3 11.0 16.0 20.6 23.7 23.9 18.5 13.6  6.0  1.5 12.2 1068
    1996 -0.4  2.0  4.4 11.0 16.7 21.2 22.8 22.4 18.1 12.9  5.1  2.1 11.5 1068
    1997 -0.2  3.2  7.7 10.0 15.5 20.7 23.1 22.1 19.2 13.0  5.9  2.3 11.8 1058
    1998  2.4  4.7  6.1 11.7 18.1 20.9 23.9 23.3 20.7 13.7  7.9  3.3 13.0 1053
    1999  1.2  4.5  6.2 12.2 16.6 20.8 24.0 22.8 18.6 13.0  9.2  3.1 12.6 1059
    2000  1.0  4.6  8.5 11.9 17.8 20.9 23.0 23.2 18.8 13.6  5.1 -1.4 12.2 1057
    2001  0.3  1.8  5.6 12.7 17.6 20.9 23.5 23.4 18.6 13.0  9.6  3.6 12.5 1047
    2002  2.6  3.5  5.6 12.7 15.9 21.8 24.3 22.9 19.9 12.1  6.5  2.3 12.5 1040
    2003  0.1  0.9  7.0 11.9 16.7 20.4 23.7 23.7 18.6 13.6  7.5  2.7 12.2 1039
    2004 -0.4  1.8  8.6 12.3 17.5 20.5 22.7 21.5 19.5 13.8  8.1  2.6 12.3 1039
    2005  1.3  3.6  6.1 12.3 16.0 21.5 24.0 23.2 20.3 13.8  8.1  0.9 12.5 1022
    2006  3.9  1.8  6.5 12.9 16.6 20.3 22.4 21.4 18.1 13.5  8.9  5.9 12.6  999
    

    Unfortunately, due to thermometer deletion, anyone and any data series that depends on GHCN is now broken; and has been since 2006/2007.

    Stick a fork in him Pablo, he’s cooked.

  149. John Finn (13:25:50) :

    La Nina in 2009?? Is that how you explain the cooling this year?

    You pick September 2009 out of the data, a single month. This of course is wrong, as your side continually points out—even you point out, i.e. “Only if you select a short enough time period…”. But when it suits your purposes you break your own rule.

    One month of warm temperatures caused by el Nino is not climate. It is a normal variation in weather. For example, look at the el Nino of 1998 and how it caused a spike in temperatures. It was not manmade. It was natural. And the warming of September 2009 was natural too. It was not manmade.

    Also, you guys used to love 1998. It was such a good friend of yours. You wanted to say it showed the dramatic warming caused by man. But then the earth started cooling and 1998 became your enemy. Now you attack it with your best distracting efforts.

    Furthermore, you can see how the current cooling trend in the earth caused by the quiet sun has kept this el Nino spike lower than 1998’s.

    The earth is in a cooling trend. Your computer models never predicted cooling.

    Will you admit your computer models are wrong?

    You unknowing already have by saying la Nina has caused cooling. La Nina cooling was not predicted in your manmade global warming computer forecasts. So as you can see you have indeed changed the predictions. What changes will be coming in the future?

    Secondly, your computer models did not account for H2O correctly. They are wrong there too.

    It’s ok to admit you were wrong John.

  150. John Finn (13:25:50) :

    1998 was an exception.

    ——————————

    How convenient.

    But…

    If the el Nino spike of 1998 is an exception to you then to be consistent the el Nino spike of September 2009 is an exception too.

    So, going by even your line of reasoning the earth is in a cooling trend.

    ————————–

    But even with the September 2009 temperatures the earth is still in a cooling trend.

    Nature is showing that you, Al Gore, and all others like you, are wrong.

  151. John Finn (14:45:45) :

    As for the LIA and MWP – could you define them. When did the LIA start/end?

    What is the point of this question? Does it seem important to you? If there is not an exact date pinned down and agreed upon by all for these does that mean they did not happen??

    Are you going to revise history and say they did not happen?

  152. John Finn (14:45:45) :

    What evidence is there that the LIA was in fact a simultaneous global event? Why is this evidence more reliable than thermometer records?

    What a troll you are John.

    Oh, how you are an expert on everything!

  153. John Finn (14:45:45) :

    Vikings grew crops on land in Greenland that is now permafrost.

    Or, are you going to revise history and say they didn’t?

  154. John Finn (15:12:43) :

    Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

    Of course the trend is similar. But similar is not same.

    And the readings are neither similar nor same. GISTemp has higher readings, much higher, off the chart higher.

    Isn’t it a bad mark for your side that a radical environmental activist, James Hansen, has GISTemp data pass through his hands before it makes it to the public?

  155. John Finn (15:12:43) :

    Would this be GISS? Over the period of the station dropout (i.e. early 1990s) the UAH NH (and global) satellite trend is similar to the GISS trend.

    ————

    This is misleading John. You aren’t fighting fair boy-o. You make it appear that the actual temperature readings are similar.

    But they aren’t.

  156. Frank Mosher (17:13:50) :

    You didn’t catch his sophistry Frank. He said ‘trend’ not ‘readings’. And he said ‘similar’ not ‘same’. Similar has a wide range of meaning–wide enough to serve John Finn’s purposes and allow him to still say he isn’t lying.

  157. Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.

    The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.

    I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”

  158. The more I think about it, a great little project for someone, even without a lot of computer skills (or maybe even better done by someone no so encumbered by a focus on minutia ;-) would be a FOIA investigation into the Thermometer Langoliers.

    A Freedom Of Information Request of NOAA and NASA and anyone else who is involved in the care and feeding of the CHCN asking for all documents, emails, and history surrounding the decisions to delete thermometers in the 1990 to 2009 period ought to be a gold mine. Especially those meeting announcements and schedules of exactly whom was in the meetings and being a decision maker.

    Someone decided to cook the data by deleting thermometers. I’d like to know who.

    I’m too much in the technical weeds to take on another project right now and don’t know enough about the FOIA stuff to do it. But for someone skilled in such things…

  159. Gene Nemetz (21:22:36) :
    E.M.Smith (20:31:42) :

    Stick a fork in him Pablo, he’s cooked.

    But can I vote for Pedro?

    At this point GHCN data are an artificially warmed fondue pot full of fermented cheesy bits… Plenty of room for lots of forks. “Y’all Come!” as my Uncle Ken From Texas likes to say ;-)

    So bring Pedro, Alphonse, Jillian, Marie, Klause, PIerre, Running Deer, …

  160. E.M.Smith (21:44:21) : … care and feeding of the CHCN asking for …

    Clearly that was supposed to be “GHCN”… (reading glasses on,then post…)

    Reply: Perhaps you were thinking CHCN COOP ~ ctm

  161. Richard (21:29:39) :

    Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.

    The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.

    I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”

    Bizarre isn’t it. Global warming as an artefact of instrument location bias.

    It only has to explain 0.4 degrees of warming to explain the AGW part of the record…

  162. E.M.Smith (22:03:17) :
    E.M.Smith (21:44:21) : … care and feeding of the CHCN asking for …

    Clearly that was supposed to be “GHCN”… (reading glasses on,then post…)

    Reply: Perhaps you were thinking CHCN COOP ~ ctm

    Oh dear… This is the time I hate. Someone has given me plausible deniability and I have compulsive accuracy problems…

    In all the times I’ve read CHCN COOP I never realized it wasn’t G-HCN COOP. And I really was thinking GHCN. And it really is the truth that I marginally don’t need “readers” so I often skip the “now where did I leave them…” step for a quick read. And when I do that I can’t quite always see the little 2 pixels that makes a C into G on my 12 inch laptop screen (that has a couple of dark “dead pixels” so has taught me to ignore one pixel errors) …

    I try to remember to always find the readers for proof reading… then I have a quick comment and the readers were left somewhere in the kitchen and; well, the rest as they say is hIst0ri :-}

    Reply: Dude…you could at least appreciate the joke. ~ctm

  163. Gene Nemetz (21:09:20) :


    And the readings are neither similar nor same. GISTemp has higher readings, much higher, off the chart higher.

    Do you understand anomalies? It would appear not. GISS anomalies are relative to a different base period (1951-1980) than UAH anomalies (1979-1998). Since 1951-80 was cooler than 1979-98, it follows that GISS anomalies will be larger (bigger numbers) than UAH anomalies. However, if you use the same base period you’ll find that GISS and UAH are remarkably similar considering they are measuring quite different layers of the atmosphere. September 2009 is a good example.

    GISS has quite a nice featue which allows you to select the base period. In the following link I have selected 1979-1998 (i.e. the same as the satellite base period)

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2009&month_last=09&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=09&year1=2009&year2=2009&base1=1979&base2=1998&radius=1200&pol=reg

    If you look in the RH corner of the the plot you will see the anomaly, i.e. 0.45, which is bang in the middle of the UAH (0.42) and RSS (0.48) anomalies. GISS anomalies are not “off the chart” as you say.

    Hadley anomalies are calculated relative to the 1961-1990 base period. This is a slightly warmer period than GISS uses so again we would expect GISS to have slightly bigger numbers than Hadley.

    GISS does appear bloated on occasions but seems to be related to the GISS extrapolation over the arctic. If you look at the WUWT link to polar temperatures you’ll notice that the arctic has been relatively warm recently which could have an impact on the GISS October anomaly.

    Another reason for discreancies between the various anomalies is the lagged response due to ENSO fluctuations. The surface tends to respond quicker to El Nino/La Nina events. Earlier this year (~June) you may have noticed that the surface anomalies were quite high compared to the satellites but in the following months the satellite anomalies “caught up”.

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    Richard (21:29:39) :

    Gene Nemetz haul back a bit buddy. What E.M.Smith is trying to tell us needs further investigation.

    The temp records are possibly/ probably being cooked literally. I think the evidence needs to be laid out clearly and published.

    I was pretty intrigued by your March of the thermometers. The temperature stations in the higher latitudes are being dropped. Those in the lower latitudes increased. As the stations march towards the equator viola! global warming increases and “AGW proceeds at a pace directly correlated with the southern march of the thermometers.”

    If you’re trying to say what I think you’re trying to say – you’re wrong. The global average is not calculated from an average of all the thermometer readings.

  164. E.M.Smith (20:31:42) :

    John Finn (14:45:45) : We’re supposed to have been cooling for ~11 years – yet this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998.

    Oh, and I’d dispute this as well. Using the same “best thermometer” data directly from GHCN. Notice that 1990 has a total of 12.9 while 2006 is 12.6C……

    I’m sorry but I’m not sure what are you’re doing here. What do you mean by “best thermometer” data? What’s the source for the data?

    ….and, more importantly, how come you think we’ve been cooling since 1990 while the UAH satellite record says we’ve been warming at ~0.16 deg per decade.

    Rest assured when I wrote that “this year (2009) is still warmer than any other year before 1998” I had checked this was true for UAH.

  165. E.M.Smith (18:56:20)

    Oh I see. You’re talking about US warming and cooling. Most of us think it’s a global thing which is not specific to just 2% of the earth’s surface. I did have a quick look at your “analysis”. I am a bit puzzled as to how you are happy to draw conclusions from just 30-odd thermometers in the early 19th century but 200+ more spatially representative thermometers is “cooking the record”.

    Give me a link to your data and we can check it against USA48 anomalies in the UAH record.

    Gene Nemetz (19:50:14) :

    John Finn (13:25:50) :

    I haven’t noticed it.

    You must not watch weather reports on tv. Or you are in denial. Or both.

    Same problem E.M. I notice. You need to understand that the other 98% of the world doesn’t necessarily get the US weather reports.

  166. John Finn, let’s see if I understand you correctly. You’re stating that even though the US is one of the largest emitters of CO2, it’s perfectly reasonable for the US to experience no warming while other regions (eg. Siberia) experience significant warming. And this is what you call global warming. Is that right?

  167. NOAA has forecast most of the USA will be well above average due to El Nino in Dec, Jan Feb. The very places that are cold today will be warm and will be cold in the SE which is warm today – so lets see.

    I wonder what they forecast for October 2009? They have their current prediction but they carefully hide all previous predictions.

    Searched for it here: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/90day/fxhw40.html and here http://www.weather.gov/ but no luck. Found this though:

    Western and Central Wyoming – THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN CASPER FROM OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 WAS 35.6 DEGREES…WHICH WAS THE COLDEST OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 PERIOD IN CASPER SINCE OFFICIAL WEATHER RECORDS BEGAN IN 1940.
    THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN RIVERTON FROM OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 WAS 35.9 DEGREES…WHICH WAS THE COLDEST OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 17 PERIOD IN RIVERTON SINCE OFFICIAL WEATHER RECORDS BEGAN IN 1907
    October began on the chilly side, then a bitter cold outbreak brought colder temperatures and snow with locally heavy snow to Western and North Central Nebraska. The first 14 days were the coldest and snowiest on record.
    Through October 19th, both Columbia and Quincy have experienced the coldest average temperature on record for the period of October 1st through the 19th. St. Louis has observed an average temperature of 52.2 degrees which ranks 2nd all time for the same period.

    Squaw Winter?

  168. Richard M (07:04:45) :

    John Finn, let’s see if I understand you correctly. You’re stating that even though the US is one of the largest emitters of CO2, it’s perfectly reasonable for the US to experience no warming while other regions (eg. Siberia) experience significant warming. And this is what you call global warming. Is that right?

    1. The source of the emissions is irrelevant.
    2. I don’t believe the US is cooling. The UAH satellite trend for the US is ~0.25 deg per decade over the past 30 years.

  169. John Finn,

    Temperature data from GISTemp is drastically different from all other data sets, even Hadley. Your spin on that doen’t apply to what I am saying. But it sure does sound like it means something, huh.

    And you also claim that news reports of cooling are happening only in the US. But SouthEast Asia, New Zealand, Austraila, Europe, South America, and Canada have been having reports of longer, colder winters.

    Also, have you seen the rapid growing in North Pole ice? Also, the redord groth of Antarctic ice?

  170. correction, typo

    should read,

    rapid growing trend in North Pole ice.

    and

    record growth of Antarctic ice

  171. John Finn

    One last thing to say,

    I won’t be responding to you anymore in this thread. I’ve read enough of your comments to see that you spin everything to suit your desired results.

  172. Gene Nemetz (14:26:37) :

    John Finn,

    Temperature data from GISTemp is drastically different from all other data sets, even Hadley. Your spin on that doen’t apply to what I am saying. But it sure does sound like it means something, huh.

    In what way is Gistemp “drastically different”?

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1992/to:2010/offset:-0.2/plot/gistemp/from:1992/to:2010/offset:-0.25/plot/uah/from:1992/to:2010

    By “spin” – do you mean posting actual data?

  173. John, I see you decided to omit the trend lines. Use your same dates and put in trend lines. Notice anything about GISS? Maybe a little steeper? That’s why your last comment was spin. Once you observe the trends it’s pretty obvious GISS is headed into a world of it’s own.

    As for your response to me about US temps. I was simply referring to your post (03:39:50) where you claimed it didn’t matter if the US didn’t warm because it was only 2% of the surface. Please pick a position and stick to it. Running around in circles does not help your claims.

  174. “Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless.”

    ~Tolstoy

  175. Richard M (19:10:04) :

    John, I see you decided to omit the trend lines. Use your same dates and put in trend lines. Notice anything about GISS? Maybe a little steeper? That’s why your last comment was spin. Once you observe the trends it’s pretty obvious GISS is headed into a world of it’s own.

    The trends are within a couple of hundredths of a degree of each other. GISS is slightly higher because of the arctic extrapolation (as mentioned in a previous post). I’m sure we can agree that the arctic has been unusually warm in the past few years.

    As for your response to me about US temps. I was simply referring to your post (03:39:50) where you claimed it didn’t matter if the US didn’t warm because it was only 2% of the surface. Please pick a position and stick to it. Running around in circles does not help your claims.

    It’s true that the US is only 2% of the surface area of the earth. It’s also true that the US has warmed over the past ~30 years and that the warming measured by both GISS and UAH is very similar, i.e. ~0.25 deg per decade. I’m not sure why I should pick any position.

  176. John Finn (14:03:19):,

    “I’m not sure why I should pick any position.”

    Well, I guess if you feel contradicting yourself adds to your case then feel free to take these kind of conflicting positions. By stating that US temps have risen, you just deflated your own comeback to E.M. Smith. I guess if you consider that good logic then it’s not too hard to see why you support AGW so blindly.

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