Gore: “Entire north polar ice cap will be gone in 5 years”

This is from his address in Germany, recorded from German TV:

Write this date down so you can contact Mr. Gore in 5 years, then place your bets. I’m sure Lewis Pugh is making plans already.

Meanwhile at the Poznan climate talks, consensus remains in the eye of the beholder:

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(h/t to Kate at SDA)

BTW, this is my 1000th blog post – Anthony

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82 thoughts on “Gore: “Entire north polar ice cap will be gone in 5 years”

  1. Unbelievable. I would really like to see a catalogue of the predictions of the UN going back to ’88 or so, especially the ones with firm timetables.

  2. I saw on another site he said that a year ago, so only 4 more years. Why doesn’t GM hire this guy to sell cars? I’m pretty sure he could sell refrigerators to Eskimos’.

  3. In other highlights of the program, Al Gore stated that he was so concerned about the state of the climate that he vowed to only do his intercontinental travel via sailing ships henceforth, while travel throughout the U.S.A. would be done by bicycle after the spring thaw. He also announced that he was donating his many mansions to house the poor while he and the Missus were moving to a small straw house in the midwest where they would grow their own vegetables and livestock in a sustainable, soil-building and carbon-sequestering manner.

    /Since apparently we have tuned in to “Fairy Tale Theater”.

  4. Is he looking at the same data we are???

    REPLY: I don’t think Gore looks at data outside of the safe cocoon he has constructed for himself. – Anthony

  5. Five years is JUST out of reach for a one-term Obama.

    I guess we’ll have to elect Obama to a second term now, just to make sure he has time to get the job done.

  6. The man is insufferable but capable of real comedy, albeit unintentionally. The good news for the “Goracle” is that the media is so in the tank for him that this will disappear down the memory hole without any notice from his adoring fans.

  7. Of course they will claim because of their efforts global warming was reversed. It is all win-win for these shysters.

    By the way, by that time he will be a billionaire.

  8. The Arctic icecap does not actually have to be “gone” – merely, NANSEN will re-adjust the coverage to zero so that the real world conforms to the models and Gore will then be correct.

  9. Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t every doom-sayer throughout history been wrong? We are still here, aren’t we?

  10. Obama left with little time to curb global warming
    By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer – 19 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore. Now it is a ticking time bomb that President-elect Barack Obama can’t avoid.

    Since Clinton’s inauguration, summer Arctic sea ice has lost the equivalent of Alaska, California and Texas. The 10 hottest years on record have occurred since Clinton’s second inauguration. Global warming is accelerating. Time is close to running out, and Obama knows it.

    HEAVY SIGH

  11. David Suzuki has stated that the world would see catastrophic warming in 10 years. Unfortunately, he said that 20 years ago, ….

  12. All I know is I sit here in a campground in Nanaimo B.C ( I’m building a new house here) , under a foot of snow, waiting to go back to my family and home in Calgary Ab. where it is – 30 C w/ windchills in the – 40’s.

    Nanaimo is basically in a rain forest on Vancouver Island and it’s gonna be sub-freezing for over one more week!

    Can I make a bet with you Al ? Five years , your NUTS!!!!!!

    Brent In Calgary

  13. Cathy (17:48:38) :

    OK.

    Seriously.

    Does he believe what he’s saying?

    No, but he knows others will, so he just shouts louder, evidence be damned.

  14. David Ball (19:05:00) :

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t every doom-sayer throughout history been wrong? We are still here, aren’t we?

    Like monkeys, typewriters, and shakespeare, so many doomsayers are bound to get one or two things “right”. Of course they’re never the really big things.

  15. So what happens when all that insulating ice “melts?”. Without the barrier to heat loss the Arctic sea will cool dramatically.

    The formation of sea ice is about wind and multi-year ice. Without the multi-year ice, from which the sea ice grows, there would be much more cooling of the sea water because the longer Arctic water is without a protective layer of ice the more the water cools.

  16. He is a liar and crazy. Look at him. If he was your neighbor, you would avoid him.
    If he worked in your office, you would call HR about a dangerous threat.
    My predictions three years was this:
    As AGW claims continue to fail when measured against reality, as they are, the promoters and leaders in the AGW community will ratchet up their fear mongering to higher and higher levels of hysteria.
    As we see.

  17. 5 years from now I probably won’t be able to afford an internet connection (after Obama’s economic/green agenda) so somebody will have to send me a card to let me know what happens.

  18. Prediction by the famous oceanographer, Ted Danson: Remember back in 1988, Ted Danson predicted that we only had ten years to live because the oceans were going to be dead and, if the oceans died, then we would soon follow?

    We are living on borrowed time, 10 years worth.

  19. MattN (18:05:26) :

    Is he looking at the same data we are???

    ***********
    The science is settled – why would he look at any data?

  20. Tom in Texas stopped quoting Seth Borenstein to quickly. Here is a link and some more quotes:

    “The time for delay is over; the time for denial is over,” he said on Tuesday after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming. “We all believe what the scientists have been telling us for years now that this is a matter of urgency and national security and it has to be dealt with in a serious way.”

    * * *

    “We need to start in January making significant changes,” Gore said in a recent telephone interview with The Associated Press. “This year coming up is the most important opportunity the world has ever had to make progress in really solving the climate crisis.”

    Scientists are increasingly anxious, talking more often and more urgently about exceeding “tipping points.”

    “We’re out of time,” Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. “Things are going extinct.”

    * * *

    In the early 1990s, many scientists figured that the world was about a century away from a truly dangerous amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, said Mike MacCracken, who was a top climate scientist in the Clinton administration. But as they studied the greenhouse effect further, scientists realized that harmful changes kick in at far lower levels of carbon dioxide than they thought. Now some scientists, but not all, say the safe carbon dioxide level for Earth is about 10 percent below what it is now.

    Gore called the situation “the equivalent of a five-alarm fire that has to be addressed immediately.”

    * * *

    Mother Nature, of course, is oblivious to the federal government’s machinations. Ironically, 2008 is on pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line. Experts say it’s thanks to a La Nina weather variation. While skeptics are already using it as evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is warming.

    The average global temperature in 2008 is likely to wind up slightly under 57.9 degrees Fahrenheit, about a tenth of a degree cooler than last year. When Clinton was inaugurated, 57.9 easily would have been the warmest year on record. Now, that temperature would qualify as the ninth warmest year.

    =================================

    Are panicked yet?

  21. Are we panicked yet?

    There, that is better.

    BTW does anybody know where Borenstein is getting his “average global temperature” from? And whether those number mean anything?

  22. Mother Nature, of course, is oblivious to the federal government’s machinations. Ironically, 2008 is on pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line. Experts say it’s thanks to a La Nina weather variation. While skeptics are already using it as evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is warming.

    Huh?? Where do these people get their logic skills I wonder.

  23. Obama left with little time to curb global warming

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081214/D952LKP00.html

    Obama is pushing changes in the way Americans use energy, and produce greenhouse gases, as part of what will be a massive economic stimulus. He called it an opportunity “to re-power America.”

    “We’re out of time,” Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. “Things are going extinct.”

    The amount of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere has already pushed past what some scientists say is the safe level.

    Scientists fear that what’s happening with Arctic ice melt will be amplified so that ominous sea level rise will occur sooner than they expected. They predict Arctic waters could be ice-free in summers, perhaps by 2013, decades earlier than they thought only a few years ago.

    Obama is stacking his Cabinet and inner circle with advocates who have pushed for deep mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas pollution and even with government officials who have achieved results at the local level.

    Mother Nature, of course, is oblivious to the federal government’s machinations. Ironically, 2008 is on pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line. Experts say it’s thanks to a La Nina weather variation. While skeptics are already using it as evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is warming.

    Huh!

  24. Al Gore stated that he was so concerned about the state of the climate that he vowed to only do his intercontinental travel via sailing ships henceforth . . .

    On a sailing ship to nowhere
    Leaving anyplace
    If the summer changed to winter
    Yours is no disgrace

  25. Sailing boats? Better watch out for those pirates from Somalia in their fast speedboats, wich is B.T.W. the real reason for dropping global temperatures. The more pirates there are the lower global temperatures accoording the Pastafarians.

  26. Dunno if it has been pointed out already, but Gore doesn’t say it WILL be gone by then but that it MIGHT be gone.

    So no matter what happens he’ll be right.

  27. As we look this and at the article preceding, it is quite obvious that algorean science is stuck where the sun don’t shine.

  28. Anthony, how appropriate that your 1,000th blog post should be on the Warmer in Chief, without whom we could all get back to our normal, quiet, uneventful lives.(Probably unfair to witch doctors) Well done. It’s been a heroic feat for the world!

  29. Al doesn’t believe it. He’s got $100 million bet that he can get governments to believe it. Follow the money.

  30. Many years ago, a pundit tried to explain the mystery known as ALGORE. The famed Baby-Boomer, unlike his peers, the Robert Reich’s, Bill and Hillary Clinton’s, or Lawrence Summers had no real academic training. His degree was in journalism and like a good son, ALGORE loyally inherited his father’s political place in the world of Tennesse politics. Yet, his heart nor his mind were really not in it. He always had a gift for absorbing large ideas -both scientific and political. He reminded me of several friends I’ve known over the years. ALGORE and people like him can abosrb and recite general facts about all kind of scientific trivia: phyics and relativity; chemistry and biology; weather and climate.

    Yet, if you were to set them down and look at a set of Einstein’s field equations they would be stumped. Differential Calculus let alone Tensor Calculus would be way above thier understanding and interest. They never took anything higher than Fresman Algebra. But like Cliff Claven from Cheers, thier superficial understanding of things never stops them from pontificating.

    ALGORE is one of those people. Tragicaly, he is allowed to live in a fantasy world of his own making. Both scientists and other academics look the other way, or in Hansen’s case, they enable him to live his fantasy life of climate expert. Just think of it: a man who never took a class any more difficult than 10th Grade Earth Science is an accepted peer in a field that usually requires 10 years of post graduate work to just get your foot in. He has gotten an Oscar and Nobel Prize for his efforts; he is feted in every major nation, and flies in a Gulfstream to give six figure speeches and seminars.

    ALGORE’s real talents lie in science fiction. There is no doubt he loves science as a hobby; he has an imagination, and the moral calling fo the true evangelist. Who knows’s what kind of books he could have written if he turned away from politics as a young man.

  31. “We’re out of time,” Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. “Things are going extinct.”

    I thought that was how Evolution worked. Or is Special Creation an essential part of AGW now?

    Rich

  32. Questions for Borenstein:

    1. Why is there so much resistance amongst global warmers to investigate suitability of weather stations which contribute to this mythical ‘global temperature’ index?
    2. Would he like to comment on the revision of US temperature data in USHCN stuff, and whether the lack of convergence of carbon dioxide with that amended record implies:
    a. The new data is falsified.
    b. The PDO/AMO data which DO fit the data are false.
    c. The carbon dioxide theory is bullshit.
    3. Would he like to comment on the MORE rapid return of winter sea ice in the Arctic this year, despite a miserable thickness of ice after the 2007 heatwave and an expectation that this season would have seen further rapid declines? Is this a self-correcting mechanism, an artefact or just data falsfication?
    4. Would he agree to a moratorium on theories until a proper data acquisition record is set up and collected, covering the globe equally, as far as possible without stations subject to UHI and including Siberian stations on a representative basis, for both temperature and snow/ice extent?
    5. Would he agree that Al Gore has a conflict of interest working for a leading ‘cleantech’ VC and therefore cannot be trusted to say anything other than that which will make himself and his business partners infinitely richer?
    6. Would he agree that the Germans are uniquely well placed in ‘cleantech’ uptake to date in Europe and therefore have a strong interest in playing ‘climate scared-i-cat’?
    7. Would he agree that the Russians have a self-interest in oil+gas which makes them favour a ‘lack of global warming’ hypothesis based on desire to continuing selling, prospecting for and profiting from oil?

    Just to set the record straight of course…..

    Very dangerous thing to do that.

  33. The trick would be: find a way to hold people like Gore accountable for the results of their idiotic prophesies. Never happen of course.

    Anyone else notice that the doomsayers in the media are saying “global warming” less often – instead referring to “climate change”? This almost has to be a deliberate, cynical move: by the time the threat of global warming has collapsed like a house of cards, they want the public thinking in terms of any sort of change. Hurricane? Tornado? Freezing cold winters? It’s climate change, give us money.

  34. Robert- you say “The more pirates there are the lower global temperatures accoording the Pastafarians.”

    LOL!
    Thanks for reminding me about the robust statistical correlation between pirate count and global temperature. I remember reading this about a year ago?

    Gore needs to look into the green positions taken by Ethan Greenhart. I have been reading his book “Can I recycle my granny?- and 39 other eco-dilemmas”. I highly recommend it. He talks about your carbon skidmark, humanure, why laughter in environmentally unethical, etc, etc. I often confuse the statements in the book with comments I read over at dot earth, because they are so similar.
    :-)

  35. David Ball (19:05:00) :

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t every doom-sayer throughout history been wrong? We are still here, aren’t we?

    David…
    Well, yes and no. All of the end-of-the-world types have been wrong so far. Humans are an adaptable species…and seem to be fairly tough to kill off…almost as tough as cockroaches!
    However, the guy who used to stand in the city square of Carthage [you KNOW there had to be at least one!] and forecast the impending doom of the city, pretty much nailed it.
    In other words, neither AGW nor an ice age will kill of the race…but we could manage to wreck the US of A…and a loss of freedom in the US is a loss of freedom for the entire race. Right now, the odds of an ice age or AGW seems to be less than the chance that we will do it to ourselves… thru seriously misguided environmental goals. Preventing THAT would seem to be our biggest challange.
    Just a few thoughts from the swamp….
    cdl

  36. No one found it ironic that Al was speaking “with” dinosaurs to support his claims? Did dinosaurs have something to say about global warming, something that was vital to their survival?

    Or is it more likely we associate the unproven theory of AGW to dinosaurs? Extinct (for the most part)?

    Thanks Anthony! I got a good laugh at this – but sadly our policy makers are destined to save us from ourselves.

  37. …kill OFF the race… [sigh]
    Also…the doom sayers only have to be right ONCE! So their claims deserve at least a quality check. If their data is seriously flawed, then we ignor it and move on…except for AGW…which has all the signs of a religion which will probably still be around and bugging our grandchildren…….
    cdl

  38. Searching, as I strive to always, for the positives I feel gratified to be alive at this time.

    There has been so much media coverage of this “catastrophe” that the weasels will not be able to avoid criticism if there is a next time.

    The disgusting antics of the alarmists, for example in the way they have tried to claim that the “consensus” during the 1970ies that “the cold is coming” was “just a couple of articles”, cannot be repeated. Their fears are archived on Al’s Internet for all time, as is their massively despicable treatment of scientists who question their religion and “amateurs” who instinctively smell a rat when obvious political agenda is pushed as science.

    There is, unfortunately, a massive divide between such positive thinking and the hope of seeing justice done.

  39. Evan Jones
    I’m awed by your inspiration to pull in that “quote” but you forgot

    “Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face.
    Caesar’s palace, morning glory, silly human race,”

    and

    “Lost in summer, born in winter, travel very far,
    Lost in losing circumstances, that’s just where you are.”

  40. Cathy (17:48:38) :

    OK.

    Seriously.

    Does he believe what he’s saying?
    ******************************************

    Considering that Gore is a politician, I think it’s most likely he simply recognizes AGW as a useful instrument for furthering his particular sociopolitical agenda. Even Jim Jones didn’t drink his own Koolaid.

  41. Comments from media man Mr Borenstein say it all.

    Anthony – has he not heard that after work from yourself and Steve McIntyre that global temps were downgraded.?
    Understand the 1990’s is no longer looked on as the warmest decade…that reverts to the 1930’s with 1934 being the hottest year.

    With sea ice returning the greater picture would suggest it is cooling…the sun cycle is a good clue as well. Not to mention the Aqua satellite.

  42. BTW, this is my 1000th blog post – Anthony

    Congrats!

    May your blog outlive the -entire-north-polar-ice-cap.

  43. David Ball (19:05:00) :

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t every doom-sayer throughout history been wrong? We are still here, aren’t we?

    Sorry to disillusion you David.

    We actually died out during the great global cooling of the 70s and are now the collective memory living in the supercomputers controlling the ICBMs.

    On second thoughts…

    Maybe we actually were annihilated in the great conflagration of the 60s.

    DaveE.

  44. Apparently the polar cap has moved to the North American midwest, where we seem to have a high today of 8 below zero, Fahrenheit. Even in my childhood during the ice age scare, I don’t remember it being this cold in December, only in January.

  45. So if this is your 100th post Anthony, can we put it down as just an April First early posting ?

    I mean you don’t expect us to believe that photoshopped video skit above do you; or did you rip this off the Jay Leno, Tonight Show.

    By five years from now, you will likely be retired, and living on a desert island (with a stick), and your man Friday will be running this blog site for you, and explaining to the new lurkers, who this guy Al Gore used to be !

    George; and Congrats of your first century.

  46. Holy cow, I just congratted you on your first century, and you already passed the millenium.

    I think I’ll have another drink to that.

    George

  47. Well I just got some info on the ice-capades, from Svend Hendriksen, including the raw numbers, and he says that there is something wrong with the ice algorithm.

    But Svend is actually up there in Greenland; where they have actual solid ice, so he knows his ice.

    If you don’t have the raw data Anthony, mebbe I can send you what Svend just sent me.

    George

  48. Sodbuster (11:50:46) :
    Apparently the polar cap has moved to the North American midwest, where we seem to have a high today of 8 below zero, Fahrenheit. Even in my childhood during the ice age scare, I don’t remember it being this cold in December, only in January.

    OH NO!!! AGW has caused a POLE SHIFT!!!! That MUST be why siberia was warmer too!!! WE are all DOOMED!!! ( do I need a ;-)

    Sidebar: Anthony, I think you may have a minor troll infestation.

    I’ve noticed a pattern (also notice by at least one other) of a poser trolling. I suspect that both ‘petem’ and ‘christine’ were trolls and maybe the same person. The pattern seems to be:

    1) assume a thin persona (not much depth, and somewhat sterotypical. Nothing really personal shared).
    2) post a AGW talking point laden slightly off topic message. Some claims clearly not supported by evidence.
    3) Fein hurt at the response and express surprise at the poor treatment. Throw some insults or extreme claims about. Try to light a match… Tell folks they are dumb (in one way or another) to not believe in AGW
    4) Never respond to any request for citations or evidence, just talking points or an occasional link to an AGW hard core site.
    5) Make lots of ‘appeal to authority’ arguments. (Including waving degrees or teaching experience about. I suspect that most of the folks on this site have a degree or three and have taught something, and they don’t bother waving it about…) Pointers to authority figures as ‘proof’ of a position.
    6) The name only shows up in one thread (so far, that I’ve seen). A different ‘fresh face’ shows up in the next thread…
    7) The sporadic use of ‘do the maths’ in what ought not to be a British persona… i.e. out of place idiom – the writing style does not match the persona.

    There are some other things that set off my troll alarm, but I haven’t got an objective list of them yet (still in the artistic side of my brain ;-) but they at least include a detectable similarity in prose style and diction. And unlike Sodbuster above, they never seem to have much of a sense of humor 8-)

    FWIW I’m going to try to refine this a bit (and I’m going to try not to feed the trolls … )

  49. Actually, there already is a prediction that the Artic Ice Sheet will disappear by next summer. Let’s see Al Gore beat that!

    “The frightening models we didn’t even dare to talk about before are now proving to be true,” Fortier told CanWest News Service…

    According to these models, there will be no sea ice left in the summer in the Arctic Ocean somewhere between 2010 and 2015.

    “And it’s probably going to happen even faster than that,” said Fortier…”

    http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=c76d05dd-2864-43b2-a2e3-82e0a8ca05d5&k=53683

  50. Hey E.M.

    You may be on to something. I happen to be a person of mixed idiom, having grown up on about half Hollywood, and half J Arthur Rank, so getting it all mixed up.

    And it is certainly true that what is “Math” to an American is most definitely “Maths” to a Limey or one of the colonials such as me.

    But no way in hell would I ever say “do the maths”; that is idiot, not idiom ! Actually we are not in the habit of “doing” anything.

    But EM, you know the way the best ant poisons work; they don’t kill right away, but allow the varmints to cart the stuff back to the nest and get em en mass.

    But the thing that stands out most from those who query why we reject MMGW; weill I for one don’t reject it at all; I’m quite open minded about it.
    All that I need from the ardent disciples of MMGW is some real live data showing MMGW in action, so I can become a believer also.

    I think of the dearly departed Carl Sagan on his death bed surrounded by his granchildren; “what did you do with your life Grandpa?”
    “Well I spent every waking minute listening for signals from intelligent life in outer space.”
    “Wow Grandpa; did you ever hear anything?”

    “No Johny; we never did recover so much as one binary digit of scientific information coming from intelligent life in outer space !”

    What a waste; but today, Al Gore gets filthy rich and still waiting for one binary digit of scientific evidence of CO2 caused global warming; let alone from man made CO2 emanations.

  51. “We actually died out during the great global cooling of the 70s and are now the collective memory living in the supercomputers controlling the ICBMs.”

    Remember…there is no spoon.

    JimB

  52. It’s an amazing coincidence – Gore predicts total Arctic ice loss, and the very next day, there is an unbelievable ice area decrease in Anthony’s favourite graphic. Proof positive that hot air works miracles.

    Congratulations on 1000 blogs. Create a 1000 more!

    It’s -31C here in northwestern Ontario at 2200 hours. Bring on global warming.

  53. LMAO SwampWoman (18:04:37)

    I got a vision of Al Gore on a bicycle.. thanks for the smile:) Think the aliens would take him if we sailed him through the triangle a couple of times.. lol

    Seriously mean.. he needs to worry about carbs not co2, poor guy isnt lookin healthy.

  54. Al Gore has more nerve than a rotten tooth! But I guess when you use Fischer Price science you get Fischer Price results!! This is an obvious “shake down” scheme to get more money from us! These politicians are shameless and complete criminals. How can something, anything, cool and warm at the same time? This defies the laws of Physics and common sense. I really do not think you need to be a so called “expert” to spot this for what it is….. A load of horse%$#&.

    The IPCC should be shut down too!!!!

  55. 1) Any talk of “tipping pints” is stupid. The concept was made up out of thin air. But, it is hard to prove that spirits do not exist as you cannot prove a negative. There is no tipping point in the past that has ever been identified, but they “hypothesize” tipping points out of nothing. And who’s to say therr are none? But, . . .

    2) But, you can look at the facts. CO2 was up to 440 ppm back in the 1940’s and no tipping point occurred. It hit about 550 at times. No tipping point. It was also high twice back in the 1800’s and nothing happened. And, in particular, the peak COs of the 1940’s lagged the temperature peak AND the temperature dropped while CO2 as still high.

    3) The IPCC decided unilaterally that CO2 was probably low and steady in the 1800’s, so they ignored ALL real direct measurements of CO2 levels (100’s of papers) which did not fit in their assumption.

    They found only two papers that matched their bias. These were be two Frenchmen who used a method that always yielded low CO2 readings. The IPCC lauded them for their accuracy.

    What the IPCC used for historical CO2 data was indirect data from Antarctic ice cores (everybody knows that indirect measurements are superior to direct measurements!) which showed fairly steady, low readings. Recently, the master of ice cores, Jaworoski I believe, re-evaluated ice cores and their ability to retain CO2 in the bubbles and concluded that they should be considered to read 30-50% low. Adding back 30% puts the ice core levels at about 365 ppm, not far from today. Add 50% and it is way higher (420 ppm) than we are now. Ice core data is good for seeing trends, but not absolute values.

    3) The 2007 “heatwave” was not. Actually air temperatures were down a bit. What was up was the water temperatures. Between a bolus of warm water pumped north into the Arctic basin by the NAO, sea floor vulcanism and hot water vents, and wind patterns blowing sea ice south out of the area, the “melt” was high. It was a “perfect storm” and not global warming.

    Now that the Arctic froze faster by 30% than the year before, things appear to be a little better, but now they are saying, whoa, the rate of freezing is slowing down. When all of the ice in an ice cube tray freezes, the rate of freezing goes to zero! The Arctic ice has frozen so fast, it has run into warmer conditions and must await further cooling of those regions.

    4) Al Gore has a hedge fund with another man (Mr. Blood) called Blood and Gore. They are heavily into all things related to the “crisis” of global warming. He also owns part of a company for selling carbon offsets. He also appears to own a chunk of Current TV, which is estimated to be worth 2 billion. I have seen estimates that Al Gore has gone from less than a million about 2001 to 100-150 million in 2007. He is campaigning to make global warming a high political agenda item as it’s all gravy for him. It’s the world’s largest scam, all based on the fact that the average person does not tell the science from the junk science of climate change. He is selling snake oil and it’s a world of fools, particularly the politicians who all seem to trust a colleague. Since when are politicians trustworthy and no one checks the science?

    5) La Nina had nothing to do with the recent cooling. NOAA or NASA announced last year that the PDO had flipped to its cooling phase, as it always flips from one to the other every ~35 years. To avoid this fact, they are fixated on La Nina, an admittedly small event compared to the powerful climate changing PDO cycle.

    6) And then there’s the extinction loonies. Studies by REAL biologists show that, in fact, nothing has gone extinct and that diversity actually goes up, not down, when climate warms. One reason that extinctions are also hard to find is that global warming is not, so extinctions from it will definitely be hard to find.

    7) Polar bears: 4 drowned in a huge storm in 2004. 11 of 13 colonies are stable or growing and the other two are over-populated and scaring away their food prey. Boom and bust cycles are normal in predator-prey relationships. By the way, those two colonies are where it has gotten coldest fastest in recent years (around Baffin Bay).

    Polar bears actually do very well in warmth. They like to be on the ice where there is less competition and few toothy animals trying to eat their young, but they do well otherwise when the ice is low. As opportunistic scavengers, they do eat the dead, even in the best of times. They are not stupid.

    8) Shutting down the IPCC would be a logical thing to do, but think of all of the jobs that would be lost. The logic, if that is what you could call it, is that we have so much money funded into global warming that, in this economy, it might not be good to shut it down? Why don’t we just give them the money that they would have made and send them home to do something else, maybe even something constructive.

  56. George E. Smith (15:02:00) :
    You may be on to something. I happen to be a person of mixed idiom, having grown up on about half Hollywood, and half J Arthur Rank, so getting it all mixed up.

    Mum is from England… that “E” wouldn’t happen to be Edward, would it? No… to much similarity is a bad thing…

    And it is certainly true that what is “Math” to an American is most definitely “Maths” to a Limey or one of the colonials such as me.

    However, I still have trouble not typing ‘behaviour’ since it has the right sound, and Mod & Maude sound different to me (the caudal ‘aw’ is not heard by pureblood Americans…)

    But EM, you know the way the best ant poisons work; they don’t kill right away, but allow the varmints to cart the stuff back to the nest and get em en mass.

    LOL. I thought about keeping quiet for this reason (but not phased quite as well as you did ;-) but decided to get more eyes on the problem…

    BTW, If you haven’t seen my reply vis cotton you ought to take a look…

    But the thing that stands out most from those who query why we reject MMGW; weill I for one don’t reject it at all; I’m quite open minded about it.
    All that I need from the ardent disciples of MMGW is some real live data showing MMGW in action, so I can become a believer also.

    Hmmm another parallel. I actually started out just curious about GW. But the more I looked the more I found dodgy stuff, then icky stuff, then… WTx Stuff… I would be quite happy to accept sound science showing AGW, but all the sound science I’ve found points to “The Sun Did It”.

  57. Charles Higley (12:44:46) :
    1) Any talk of “tipping pints” is stupid.

    Let me be the first to say that I think ‘tipping pints’ is very important. I try to do it at least once a week, usually a Friday night or Saturday… Any attempt to prevent me from reaching a tipping pint moment is going to be met with “fighting words”!

    Or maybe I misunderstood… Yes, on second thought “TALK” of tipping pints is very stupid. You can’t talk and tip at the same time! Silly me. Pardon my prior outburst…

  58. Well stated Mr. Higley. E.M Smith may be on to the troll thing. I was suspicious myself. I found out that Danny Bloom knows very well who Dr. Tim Ball is, which leads me to suspect that everything else that he claimed was a lie. He was only on this site to cause trouble, even though he feigned innocence and ignorance of the subject. I also found out that “Eli Rabett” is Joshua Halpern. Man these guys use some questionable tactics!! Stinks to high heaven !! On a much better note, congrats Anthony !!! Will you still remember us all when you are famous?? Oh wait, your already famous !!

  59. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24813289-601,00.html

    The year 2008 is set to be the 10th warmest on record for the globe, with a temperature 0.31°C above average.

    And Australia is on track for its 15th warmest year on record, with a temperature 0.37°C above average, according to the World Meteorological Organisation.

    Senior Climatologist with the Bureau of Meteorology, Andrew Watkins, said 2008 was a La Nina year, in which the Pacific Ocean cools and temperatures tend to be lower across Australia.

    “In spite of that La Nina event we still came out with the 15th warmest on record year for Australia,” he said.

    Dr Watkins pointed out the preliminary global figure means 2008 was “warmer than all but two years in the previous century, so we are still seeing considerable warming here post-2000.”

    Not bad going given the lack of sunspot activity.

  60. “” E.M.Smith (17:39:16) :

    George E. Smith (15:02:00) :
    You may be on to something. I happen to be a person of mixed idiom, having grown up on about half Hollywood, and half J Arthur Rank, so getting it all mixed up.

    Mum is from England… that “E” wouldn’t happen to be Edward, would it? No… to much similarity is a bad thing… “”

    Guilty as charged; BUT the origin has nothing to do with British Royalty; well possibly indirectly.

    When I was born in the Shaky Isles, we were too poor to afford the hospital bill; so my mother’s Great Aunt from the rich side of the family paid the bill in return for naming rights. She instantly chose those two names of recent Royalty; but she was hooking me to one of HER ancestors, about three generations back from her; who was one of the elder statesmen of the British immigrant family who at one time ruled the shoe industry of the colony.

    It has it’s advantages; namely complete anonymity, since there is one on every street corner; and besides; I am already registered at every motel on earth; although sometimes for only an hour.

  61. With any luck, in five years’ time the Pontiff of Global Warming will be cooling his heels in jail convicted of fraud, and the AGW industry itself in ruins, with the North Polar Ice at, or above “normal” levels.

  62. dennis ward says:

    Dr Watkins pointed out the preliminary global figure means 2008 was “warmer than all but two years in the previous century, so we are still seeing considerable warming here post-2000.”

    Not bad going given the lack of sunspot activity. (Emphasis added.)

    The warming was in the pipeline :-)

  63. George E. Smith (11:47:14) :
    “” E.M.Smith (17:39:16) :
    Mum is from England… that “E” wouldn’t happen to be Edward, would it? No… to much similarity is a bad thing… “”

    Guilty as charged; BUT the origin has nothing to do with British Royalty; well possibly indirectly.

    Damn. I feel like I’m talking to a cousin… Yes, I’m an Edward too…

    When I was born in the Shaky Isles,

    I assume that means Australia… If you see any Sumner folk down there they are likely my relatives. Smiths and Sumners… The Sumners in this case were seamen and a great uncle went down under; (Granddad only visited when his ship docked).

    mother’s Great Aunt from the rich side of the family paid the bill in return for naming rights.

    The rich side of my family were the Smiths on my mothers side (mums mum) where the Edward comes from my dads side (poor Amish / Irish mix) go figure. Why, don’t ask why… but I have Smith on both sides, isolated by 300 years and an ocean from each other.

    It has it’s advantages; namely complete anonymity, since there is one on every street corner; and besides; I am already registered at every motel on earth; although sometimes for only an hour.

    I’m fond of telling folks my name is functionally Anonymous Anonymous There is one person of my name per 2000 population in California, based on the number at each company where I’ve worked. Makes it hard to have an ego problem ;-)

    Obligatory on topic sentence: So, is it possible that we will get a record arctic ice extent this year? I’ve looked at the pictures and since we are not quite into winter yet, it looks possible to me!

  64. George E. Smith (11:47:14) :

    “” E.M.Smith (17:39:16) :

    George E. Smith (15:02:00) :
    You may be on to something. I happen to be a person of mixed idiom, having grown up on about half Hollywood, and half J Arthur Rank, so getting it all mixed up.

    Mum is from England… that “E” wouldn’t happen to be Edward, would it? No… to much similarity is a bad thing… “”

    It has it’s advantages; namely complete anonymity, since there is one on every street corner; and besides; I am already registered at every motel on earth; although sometimes for only an hour.

    OTOH, with a rare name like Werme – there are about 60 of us in the States, fewer than that in Sweden (Varmland), by the time the Internet became someplace where there were reasons to be anonymous, it was too late for me, so I never bothered.

  65. Well Australia is the big desert island to the northwest of the shaky isles; They speak some funny language. The Smith side of my family comes from Alnwich; home of Hardy Bros. Fly reels, and earlier from somewhere in Scotland; so I have both English and Scottish coats of arms; and the Scottishsect has some Iberian in there, since an ancestor swam ashore from the wreckage of the Spanish Armada; so I guess that makes me part Hispanic.
    The rich side was the Bridgens immigrants to Aotearoa, and the distaff side of the family; which now also embraces those weird Aussies, and also an Irish/Swiss link, so we’re sort of our own UN.

    As to the OBSCON; I have my own personal Ice Manager who is a Nobel laureate Danish Glaciologist Chap, who resides in Greenland; and he says that something went ape with one of the ice algorithms, so I’m not sure that right now anybody but Svend really knows what’s going on; and HE knows his ice, and right now he has plenty of it. He takes care of both sides of the pizza for me, so I can keep tabs on the Antarctic ice through him as well; one of the handy consequences of polar satellites is that the train visits both places every hour on the hour and a half or so, and he can get his pictures as it passes by him.

    Not only has the internet bypassed the newspaper and TV out of touch so-called news media; but it also has shortcircuited the “peer reviewed” science literature and communications bottleneck, so when a biassed ; excuse me, peer reviewed, journal won’t publish somebody’s new results that don’t toe the party line; it doesn’t matter a bit because we are all talking to each other now, without those dead tree scrolls.

    Well just look at this nifty tent of Anthony’s here; how much of the world do we have all wired for sound just right here.

    Just yesterday, I yacked with about 12 different big name people in the climatology community; not even counting Professor Singer; including some folks who put up wallpaper here as well; and of course Svend the ice man. He works for the Danish Gummint herding all those Greenland glaciers to make sure they don’t get lost on their way to the sea.

    So is Varmland supposed to be warm, or farm; or maybe both. I keep tripping over my toes trying to keep all you Vikings straight in my head; I keep getting Svend mixed up with the Norwegians; although I pretty much have the geography figured out.

    Svend sent me some spectacular pictures of the Wilkins ice shelf break-up a few months back; including overwhelming evidence that they break up all the time, and a piece just as big right next door on wilkins, broke up about 50 years ago, and is regrown bust not as thick as the rest so it stands out like a sore thumb.

  66. Al Gore is bipolar i.e. has difficulty distinguishing between the North and South poles.
    Can you imagine his conversation with B.O. last week! Probably sold him some carbon credits. And what about Angela Merkel! What a reversal and how happy the Brits anf French must be!

  67. This from Guardian.co.uk (bolding is mine): (link to full article)

    The inconclusiveness of the Poznan talks last weekend signals once again that our leaders are prepared to drink in the last chance saloon – with last orders being called (Global climate change decisions on hold for Obama, 15 December). There is just a year left for our political leaders to put a post-2012 deal in place at Copenhagen next year, if there is to be any hope of preventing global warming from reaching really dangerous levels. But slow progress seems to signal a deal that will fall short of expectations.

    Sounds like we only have about a year left, and then its all over…

  68. Sounds to me like we have been lucky that we are heating this place up : (link to full article)

    Researchers from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, using supercomputers and advanced climate models have hypothesised that human actions started causing global warming between 5,000 and 8,000 years ago.
    ….
    a climatologist from the University of Wisconsin’s Center for Climatic research also think that the build up of greenhouse gases over thousands of years has prevented the start of a new glacial age.

    Phew … just think what this winter would be like if we hadn’t started AGW thousands of years ago!

  69. Hey Anthony
    Anyone looked at named straights through the ice caps and why someone would bother to name such a passage or even know that it exists, if it has always been frozen?

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