NOAA Proposes Amending the Fifth National Climate Assessment (NCA5)

Charles Rotter

For more than a decade, some of the most frightening claims about future climate change came from a scenario called RCP8.5. Most people never heard that name on the evening news. Instead, they heard the results. Temperatures could soar by 2100. Sea levels could rise dramatically. Heat deaths could climb. Crop yields could fall. Wildfires could worsen. Electricity demand could explode. Economic damages could reach enormous levels.

Behind many such projections sat RCP8.5, or its newer cousin, SSP5-8.5.

We’ve noted previously on this blog that the scientific community that develops scenarios for climate models has made an important change. In April 2026, the scientists designing scenarios for the next generation of climate models published the ScenarioMIP-CMIP7 paper.

Buried inside the technical language was a remarkable sentence:

“the CMIP6 high emission levels (quantified by SSP5-8.5) have become implausible.”

That deserves to be read twice. The scientists who design these scenarios now say the emissions levels represented by SSP5-8.5 have become implausible. This does not mean global warming disappears. It does not mean carbon dioxide has no effect on climate. It means something much simpler.

The highest emissions scenario that played a huge role in climate research and climate communication is no longer considered a plausible future by the scientists designing the next generation of scenarios. That created a very large problem. What happens to government policies, risk assessments and public warnings that relied on it?

An August 2026 proposed amendment to the Fifth National Climate Assessment, or NCA5, attempts to answer that question.

Its answer amounts to: go back and check the work.

The proposed amendment says:

“NCA5 is amended to clarify that results dependent on RCP8.5, SSP5-8.5, or equivalent high emissions pathways should not be used as expected, baseline, business-as-usual, likely, central, or policy-relevant federal planning futures.”

It then gives these scenarios a label that would have been shocking to see in a federal climate assessment only a few years ago:

“implausible scenario outputs.”

That is a major change. To understand why, it helps to understand what RCP8.5 actually was. RCP stands for Representative Concentration Pathway. The number 8.5 refers to a radiative forcing level of about 8.5 watts per square meter by 2100. These pathways were created so climate scientists could run models under different future greenhouse-gas conditions. They were tools for experiments. RCP8.5 gave researchers a very high-emissions case. That can be useful because a strong climate signal is easier to see in a model than a weak one.

Think of an automobile crash test. Engineers might crash a car at unusually high speed because they want to see how the car behaves under extreme conditions. That experiment can provide useful information. But imagine if someone took the results and told every driver, “This is your expected accident.” The experiment has suddenly become something else.

The proposed NCA5 amendment recognizes this basic problem. It explains that the RCPs:

“were not originally developed as forecasts of the most likely socioeconomic future.”

It says RCP8.5 was included to cover the upper range of possible forcing for climate-model experiments. The controversy begins with what happened afterward. RCP8.5 became extremely popular. Researchers used it in impact studies. Governments used it in climate assessments. Journalists used studies based upon it to describe the future. Financial institutions used high-emissions scenarios for stress testing. In many places, RCP8.5 was described as “business as usual.” That description was being challenged years before the 2026 announcement. And one of the people making that argument was hardly a member of the climate-skeptic community.

Climate scientist Zeke Hausfather and climate researcher Glen Peters wrote a blunt article in Nature in January 2020 titled “Emissions – the ‘business as usual’ story is misleading.”

Their subtitle was even clearer:

“Stop using the worst-case scenario for climate warming as the most likely outcome — more-realistic baselines make for better policy.”

Hausfather and Peters argued that falling clean-energy costs and changing energy trends meant very high emissions scenarios were becoming increasingly unlikely. But there was another side to the criticism. Researchers such as Justin Ritchie, Hadi Dowlatabadi, Matthew Burgess and Roger Pielke Jr. had been examining the assumptions needed to produce RCP8.5.

A major problem was coal.

Producing RCP8.5 required an extraordinary expansion of coal use during the twenty-first century, along with a particular combination of assumptions about population, technology, energy demand and economic growth. These concerns were published in peer-reviewed journals years before the CMIP7 announcement. The proposed NCA5 amendment cites that research directly. This distinction matters because there are now two competing explanations for the death of RCP8.5.

One explanation says the world changed.

Renewable energy became cheaper. Technology improved. Climate policies reduced emissions. Natural gas replaced some coal. As a result, a scenario that might once have been possible is no longer realistic. The authors of the 2026 ScenarioMIP-CMIP7 paper themselves point to technological developments, climate policy and changing emissions trends.

But critics have made a second argument. They say RCP8.5 had serious problems as a normal planning scenario from the beginning because of the extreme combination of the assumptions required to produce it. The proposed federal amendment clearly takes this second concern seriously.

It states:

“The core deficiency is not merely that climate policy, renewable energy deployment, efficiency improvements, technological innovation, or natural gas substitution altered emission trajectories after these scenarios were developed. The deeper deficiency is structural.”

It then points to assumptions about coal expansion, fossil-fuel resources, energy use, population, economic development and technology. That makes the history considerably more interesting than the simple story that climate policy saved us from RCP8.5. Even Hausfather and Peters were warning six years ago that the business-as-usual framing was misleading. And that was in Nature, not exactly a secret clubhouse for climate skeptics.

Roger Pielke Jr. has been even more critical. After the 2026 scenario announcement, Pielke wrote a May 20 opinion article for the Washington Post titled “The climate apocalypse? Don’t count on it.” Pielke has argued for years that RCP8.5 was being misused in climate research and policy. The Washington Post article called the retirement of RCP8.5 an important correction. But Pielke also argued that problems remain in the new scenarios, including assumptions about population and emissions.

Getting rid of an implausible old scenario does not guarantee that every new scenario is realistic.

The proposed NCA5 amendment makes exactly that point. It specifically warns federal agencies against automatically accepting the new CMIP7 scenarios merely because they replaced the old ones. Future scenarios, it says, should be judged by their assumptions and by how well those assumptions match observations and reasonable expectations.

That is an excellent rule. Apply it to everything.

I published a May 21 article as part of this discussion. My article compared RCP8.5 to the old physics joke about a “spherical cow.” The joke involves a physicist trying to solve a difficult real-world problem by simplifying a cow into a perfect sphere. The simplified model can be useful for doing mathematics. The trouble starts when somebody forgets that the spherical cow is an artificial tool. My WUWT article argues that something similar happened to RCP8.5.

I said:

“A scenario the modelers built as a stress test became, for fifteen years, the scenario the press treated as your future.”

That captures the skeptical case in one sentence.

My article argued that RCP8.5 escaped from the modeling world and entered government reports, headlines, financial stress tests and public debate as though it described an ordinary future. The article also pointed to an important comment from Keywan Riahi, lead author of the original RCP8.5 paper. Discussing RCP8.5 with Associated Press reporter Seth Borenstein in 2026, Riahi said:

“it was never a likely case.”

That raises an uncomfortable question. If it was never a likely case, why did it become so important? RCP8.5 was useful to researchers. A stronger emissions pathway creates a stronger modeled climate response. That can make it easier to study the response and compare different climate models. Researchers studying impacts also had practical reasons to use it. Many climate-model runs were already available under RCP8.5. Using the same scenario allowed researchers to compare results across studies.

Then came institutional momentum.

Studies cited other studies. Government reports cited the studies. Journalists cited the government reports. New researchers used the same scenario because previous researchers had used it. Soon the unusual case had become normal. My WUWT article argues that this institutional process deserves much more scrutiny than it has received. Mainstream coverage in May 2026 took a different approach.

Much of the reporting focused on President Trump because he publicly commented on the retirement of RCP8.5.

Carbon Brief strongly challenged Trump’s interpretation. It stressed that RCP8.5 was only one scenario and that retiring it does not overturn the basic science of greenhouse warming.

They argue that removing RCP8.5 does not tell us that future warming will be zero. But there is a separate question that should not disappear:

How much did RCP8.5 affect the size of past claims about climate impacts?

That is where the proposed NCA5 amendment becomes important. It does not merely propose changing the label attached to RCP8.5. It calls for federal agencies to examine actual claims based upon it.

For example, the amendment says:

“Any NCA5 result based on RCP8.5, SSP5-8.5, or equivalent high forcing should be treated as an implausible-scenario output.”

It says such a result should not be used for federal policy, planning, regulation, public communication or grant-making unless it is reproduced under a plausible scenario and checked against observations. That could have large consequences. Consider electricity.

NCA5 includes projections about rising electricity demand and higher spending on transmission and distribution under RCP8.5. Utilities make expensive decisions that can last for decades. If a projection depends heavily on an implausible emissions pathway, planners should know that before spending billions of dollars. The amendment says these estimates should be reproduced using plausible scenarios and compared with real trends in electricity demand, technology, population and adaptation. That sounds like basic due diligence.

The same issue appears in public health. NCA5 contains claims about ozone, pollen and Valley fever that depend on RCP8.5 or similar high-emissions assumptions. Those estimates can affect public-health planning, regulations and worker-safety policies. The proposed amendment says federal officials should not present such numbers as expected future health burdens unless researchers can reproduce them under plausible scenarios and compare them with observations.

Again, the question is simple:

What happens to the projected harm when the implausible scenario is removed? Perhaps much of the effect remains. Perhaps it becomes smaller.

Perhaps the timing changes.

Perhaps some particular result largely disappears.

There is only one sensible way to find out.

Run the numbers again.

Economic damage estimates deserve even closer attention.

Long-term economic projections can contain layer upon layer of assumptions.

First comes an emissions scenario.

Then comes the modeled climate response.

Then comes a projection of local climate conditions.

Then researchers estimate how people, businesses, crops or infrastructure respond.

Then assumptions must be made about population, economic growth, technology and adaptation.

Finally, economists may have to decide how to value costs many decades in the future.

Each step adds uncertainty.

The proposed amendment therefore calls for clearer disclosure of discount rates, socioeconomic assumptions, adaptation assumptions and scenario dependence.

That is especially important when these calculations produce enormous dollar figures.

A computer can print a very precise number.

That does not make the assumptions behind the number equally precise.

The amendment also points to regional claims throughout NCA5.

It identifies projections involving agriculture and economic damage in the Southeast, rainfall in the Caribbean, health and infrastructure in the Midwest, drought in the Northern Great Plains, extreme heat in the Southern Great Plains, wildfire smoke in the Northwest, health and labor effects in the Southwest, sea ice in Alaska, and fisheries and migration in Pacific islands.

The proposal does not say all these problems disappear.

It says federal agencies should separate three different things:

what has actually been observed;

what models project under plausible scenarios;

and what models project under implausible high-emissions scenarios.

That distinction should be obvious.

Yet it can disappear remarkably quickly in climate communication.

A scientific paper might say:

“Under SSP5-8.5, our model projects X by 2100.”

A government summary becomes:

“Climate change could cause X by 2100.”

A headline becomes:

“Climate change will cause X by 2100.”

Three sentences can describe three very different levels of certainty.

The model did not change.

The language did.

The proposed amendment attempts to stop that process by requiring the scenario warning to travel with the result.

It even provides standard language:

“This result depends on RCP8.5, SSP5-8.5, or an equivalent high emissions pathway that is no longer policy-plausible as a central federal planning future.”

Imagine seeing that sentence under every RCP8.5 map or late-century damage estimate. Readers could then decide for themselves how much weight to give the result. There is another remarkable part of the amendment.

NCA5 already admitted that SSP5-8.5 had a plausibility problem.

According to the amendment, Chapter 3 of NCA5 says SSP5-8.5 is no longer plausible without major departures from trends in energy efficiency, technology and lower-carbon energy. But the proposed amendment says that warning was not consistently carried into regional chapters, captions, public summaries and impact claims. That is a serious communication problem. A warning hidden in one chapter does little good if dramatic numbers from another chapter are presented without it. The amendment would require the warning to follow the claim.

There is an important lesson here for climate skeptics as well. The retirement of SSP5-8.5 does not prove that every climate projection is wrong. The new CMIP7 framework still includes a high-emissions scenario. But there is a revealing difference. Even that new high scenario is expected to produce less forcing than SSP5-8.5. And the CMIP7 researchers reached that result even though their new High scenario includes very pessimistic assumptions, such as climate-policy rollback and continued heavy fossil-fuel use.

But something else in the CMIP7 paper may matter even more.

The authors acknowledge that deciding which scenarios are “plausible” involves judgment. They do not assign probabilities to their scenarios. So even a plausible scenario should not automatically be treated as a prediction. “Plausible” means researchers believe the future could reasonably develop that way. It does not mean they know that it will. This is where climate policy often gets ahead of climate science.

Governments want numbers.

Regulators want numbers.

Engineers want numbers.

Politicians definitely want numbers.

A range of conditional model experiments is less useful politically than a frightening number attached to the year 2100. But nature does not owe policymakers certainty simply because Congress has a budget deadline. The proposed amendment offers a better approach. Start with observations. Clearly identify what has been measured. Clearly identify what has been modeled. Show the assumptions. Show the uncertainty. Check whether the model reproduces the real-world quantity being discussed. Then present future projections.

The amendment specifically calls for observational metrics, periods of record, data sources, uncertainty and model-performance checks before future projections are used for policy. It should never have become controversial.

There is also a larger institutional question. Why did it take so long? Hausfather and Peters were publicly warning in Nature in 2020 that treating worst-case scenarios as the most likely future was misleading. Pielke and other researchers had been criticizing the use of extreme emissions scenarios for over a decade. The original assumptions behind RCP8.5 were publicly available. Yet the scenario remained deeply embedded in climate research and government assessments.

My WUWT article argued that the scientific community failed to correct the public use of RCP8.5 when it had repeated opportunities to do so and the institutional question is legitimate.

How did an extreme scenario become so widely used that, years after researchers began warning against treating it as business as usual, the federal government now needs an amendment telling agencies how to handle all the results built upon it? The proposed NCA5 amendment is therefore more important than the retirement of one climate scenario. It proposes a standard that should have been applied all along. A scenario should be judged by its assumptions. A model projection should be clearly separated from an observation. An extreme experiment should be identified as an extreme experiment. A result that changes greatly when unrealistic assumptions are removed should not quietly remain a government planning baseline.

And a replacement scenario should receive exactly the same scrutiny as the scenario it replaced. Researchers can still use extreme scenarios for experiments, model comparisons and sensitivity tests. The proposed amendment explicitly allows such technical uses. The important question is what happens when the result leaves the laboratory. If a federal agency wants to spend money, write regulations, redesign infrastructure or warn Americans about a future danger, it should be able to show that its assumptions are reasonable.

If a severe projection survives that test, then present it.

If the projection becomes much smaller, say so.

If the answer remains highly uncertain, say that too.

It means checking assumptions before turning a model result into a fact.

The strange history of RCP8.5 shows why that matters.

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strativarius
August 21, 2026 6:13 am

NOAA Proposes Amending the Fifth National Climate Assessment RCP8.5. 

In correspondence with the UK Met Office I learned they haven’t given up on RCP 8.5 at all, I wonder if NOAA is, by hook or by crook, on the same page? 

Here is part of what the Met Office told me by email on the demise of RCP8.5…

Whilst SSP5-8.5 is now considered implausible, it is important to note that higher levels of warming still might be reached if some feedbacks in the climate system turn out to be stronger than current estimates, or there are additional feedbacks not included in typical climate model simulations. The plausibility of future scenarios also changes over time. We cannot rule out that scenarios currently considered implausible could become more likely again in the future. For instance, a widespread return to investment in very high fossil fuel use and back-tracking on current climate policies could increase the likelihood of higher emissions.

They live in [forlorn] hope. And they firmly believe CO2 is the magic control knob

Reply to  strativarius
August 21, 2026 7:55 am

higher levels of warming still might be reached if”

That’s a mighty big if.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
August 21, 2026 9:42 am

If “ifs” and “ands” were pots and pans …..

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  strativarius
August 21, 2026 11:16 am

Does not the UK MET Office understand that the science is settled? 😉

oeman50
Reply to  strativarius
August 22, 2026 7:22 am

RCP 8.5 = monkeys could fly out of my butt…

rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 6:41 am

The risks associated with RCP 8.5 could have been eliminated decades ago by replacing carbon-based energy generation with safe, clean and reliable nuclear power. Didn’t happen.

I hope that eliminating RCP 8.5 from the energy-business’s vocabulary is more effective.

Let us pray.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 11:17 am

Take Jane Fonda to task for that.

rovingbroker
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 12:46 pm

She was not alone.

Scissor
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 1:19 pm

I always get Jane Fonda and Jane Goodall, one of her dumber chimps, mixed up.

George Thompson
Reply to  Scissor
August 22, 2026 6:59 am

Jane Goodall didn’t sit in the seat of a NVA anti-aircraft gun…if you think “Hanoi Jane” you’ll have no problem remembering. We don’t.

Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 12:52 pm

About 80% of energy use in a modern economy is thermal energy. The heavy industry and the heavy transportation systems will always use enormous amounts fossil fuels. Fossil fuels will always be used for space and water heating in the average household. Cars, SUV’s and light truck will always use fossil fuels for personal transportations.

I live in Canada which has long cold and snowy winters. Fossil fuels keep 41 million people from freezing to death in winter.

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 5:44 pm

The world of humans must eventually become aware of, and accept, that the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not now, and never has been, the driver of any changes in the climate ever. We currently have the evidence for the present.
The level is rising and rising, and the climate has stopped becoming warmer and has never show the slightest evidence of ACCELERATED increased warming.
There is not need to ask, what is causing the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide when it comes to the enormous need to fuel life for more than 8 billion human beings, that is a separate and interesting challenge to “science” and not the the existence of the human race.

Bruce Cobb
August 21, 2026 7:04 am

I’ll wait for RCP0.1.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
August 21, 2026 1:46 pm

Or RCP “flea-bite on an elephant’s posterior.”

August 21, 2026 7:08 am

“Buried inside the technical language was a remarkable sentence:

“the CMIP6 high emission levels (quantified by SSP5-8.5) have become implausible.”
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Buried inside the technical language [IPCC TAR Chapter 14] was a remarkable sentence:

“The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the 
long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

History repeats itself 25 years later, and the so-called mainstream media will ignore
it just like it did in 2001

strativarius
Reply to  Steve Case
August 21, 2026 7:16 am

Hence the wheel is continually [re]invented.

Reply to  Steve Case
August 21, 2026 8:28 am

To give the full IPCC quote, which is always truncated here:

The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. Rather the focus must be upon the prediction of the probability distribution of the system’s future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions.

All this says is that we can’t predict exact future climatic conditions at some future point. We can, however, using multiple computer model simulations, successfully predict a probabilistic window within which these conditions are likely to be contained at any particular future point.

The multi-model average of dozens of computer simulation will usually provide a better match to observations than any single simulation for any given scenario. That is what is observed.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 8:49 am

In other words –
“we know jack-shit about what the weather could do in 20 years time”

Reply to  Mr.
August 21, 2026 2:52 pm

Ah, you didn’t follow.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 3:38 pm

Ah, I think he did.

Reply to  Phil R
August 21, 2026 3:46 pm

Multi-model means are very close to observed surface temperatures. In fact, above them, at present.

How does this represent knowing “jack-s**t” ( as Mr. puts it) about their effacacy?

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:08 pm

Come back to me in 20 years.
And no hind-casting of models conjectures in between.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 22, 2026 6:25 am

Correlation and all that. It may be meaningful to you, but just because you believe it doesn’t mean anyone else needs to believe it. Also, the burden is on you to prove it is correct. No one else is required to prove it wrong just because you demand it.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 9:58 am

And so far the ensembles run hot.

Reply to  Steve Case
August 21, 2026 2:53 pm

Currently, observations are well within the multi-model range; actually, slightly ahead of the multi-model mean. Please read the links.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 11:25 am

Models do not predict nor do they develop a probability distribution of the future’s possible states. They only provide simulations projecting outputs from a limited number of use cases (scenarios).

In addition, the models are still based on a simple CO2 is the input, IR is the transfer, and temperature is the output. None of them estimate or project futures based on the sun’s variability or changes in the earth orbit or precession. None of them embed the known cyclical variabilities. None of them can predict a volcano eruption or the number of meteors or equivalant mass entering the atmosphere in any given time interval.

None of them can handle clouds.

What you are espousing is not science. You are merely parroting the propaganda.
Using averages of averages of averages of models tuned (curve fitted) to have good “hindcasting” results proves the models are totally inadequate.

This insanity is exactly the same principle as stacking a deck of cards before each hand of solitaire. You can always win.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 1:53 pm

to have good “hindcasting” results”

Made even worse when the hindcasting is to bogus, mal-manipulated, load of never-was-data, like GISS.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 2:56 pm

Models do not predict nor do they develop a probability distribution of the future’s possible states. 

In fact, that is what they do.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 22, 2026 6:26 am

Wrong again.

D Sandberg
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 7:56 pm

Agree, strip away the bull feathers and these sources say the same thing:

  •  Clouds: Climate models absolutely include clouds. The criticism is that cloud formation, persistence, and feedbacks occur on scales smaller than the model grid, so they are “parameterized” rather than directly simulated. Many climate scientists acknowledge cloud feedbacks as a significant source of uncertainty. [nature.com]
  • Solar variability: Mainstream assessments do include changes in solar irradiance. However, the assessed effect is generally considered small compared with greenhouse-gas forcing over recent decades, so solar variability receives less weight in projected warming. Critics often argue that this assumption may underestimate solar influences that are not fully captured by irradiance alone. The key point is that solar effects are not ignored; they are judged to be relatively small. [archive.ipcc.ch], [ipcc.ch]
George Thompson
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 22, 2026 7:04 am

Prefer poker…a.44 beats 4 of a kind…also applicable here.

oeman50
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 22, 2026 7:29 am

Models do not predict nor do they develop a probability distribution of the future’s possible states. They only provide simulations projecting outputs from a limited number of use cases (scenarios).”

Excellent point! Models are intended to check the validity of the assumptions that go into making them. That means one has to be open to testing the assumptions, ALL of them, including the impact of CO2.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 11:59 am

All of the models have a basic assumption that CO2 is the “control knob.” That is clear from reading your link from CarbonBrief.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 2:58 pm

All of the models have a basic assumption that CO2 is the “control knob.”

That’s because that is the case. CO2 is the most important atmospheric greenhouse gas over the long term.

That’s not even in dispute anymore, outside of the crackpot brigade.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:13 pm

“CO2 is the most important atmospheric greenhouse gas over the long term.
That’s not even in dispute anymore, outside of INSIDE the crackpot brigade.”

Fixed it for ya.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 22, 2026 2:16 am

TFN, how do you rate the importance of H2O with regard to being a greenhouse gas?

Reply to  Oldseadog
August 22, 2026 6:28 am

No response I see. He has no answer so chooses to ignore it.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 1:50 pm

El Ninos are the source of all warming in the UAH data.

Climate modellers can’t predict the strength of an El Nino even 6 months out…

… so they can’t possible predict future climate.

Any climate scenario that is based on CO2 is a complete nonsense anyway.

And thinking you can average a whole bunch of disparate models and get anything that means anything… the biggest “climate” joke ever.

Reply to  bnice2000
August 21, 2026 3:00 pm

El Ninos are the source of all warming in the UAH data.

El Ninos are not a “source” of long-term warming. They don’t generate extra energy; they just move existing energy around.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 3:55 pm

OK, two down-votes (so far).

Prove me wrong.

Tell me how the ENSO system creates new heat.

Win yourself a Nobel Prize.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:16 pm

Nobels are trash since Obama, Mann and Al Gore got them.

(at least Obama was embarrassed about them giving him one)

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  Mr.
August 21, 2026 5:56 pm

not to mention the Yasseh Arafat, the Islamic terrorist, was given a Nobel PEACE Prize!

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:54 pm

You are completely correct. There are just a couple of numbskulls lurking here at present who are true believers in the religion of man-made climate change.

D Sandberg
Reply to  bnice2000
August 21, 2026 8:02 pm

Agree. the biggest “climate” joke ever.

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:50 pm

no model will ever be useful until all models omit including part which insists that carbon dioxide is a causative variable.
Another model approach, doing a correlation of climate over time with documented and reported past climate conditions has already revealed many of the cycles which alter climate periodically and none of them has been under the power and influence of human beings.

Crisp
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 8:00 pm

It does not matter how many “multiple computer model simulations” you run if each and every one of those models is a simple, uncoupled, linear deterministic model of an extremely complex, coupled, non-linear, non-deterministic reality.
Furthermore, given that these models use much the same set of underlying assumptions and use the same set of limited parameters but merely adjust the assumed values, there is zero likelihood that you can model reality even remotely well.

August 21, 2026 7:21 am

‘The joke involves a physicist trying to solve a difficult real-world problem by simplifying a cow into a perfect sphere. The simplified model can be useful for doing mathematics. The trouble starts when somebody forgets that the spherical cow is an artificial tool.’

It’s all well and good to deep-six implausible scenario(s). But the ‘real’ spherical cow in cli-sci is the ongoing conjecture that the phenomenological physics of radiative transfer theory actually explains the mechanism by which the bulk of the thermal energy emitted by the Earth’s surface is transported aloft through the troposphere.

Until that little chestnut is put to bed, we’re only treading water until the Left reacquires enough political firepower to complete its work of de-industrializing the West.

strativarius
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
August 21, 2026 7:29 am

we’re only treading water until the Left reacquires enough political firepower to complete its work of de-industrializing the West.

Here’s the thing, Trump now has limited time in office and what comes after him is a very big question mark.

Europe and the UK are continuing down the deindustrialisation route. America could conceivably join in again should the Democrats gain the White House.

Reply to  strativarius
August 21, 2026 8:25 am

More the reason to eliminate CAGW from the Left’s post-2028 arsenal now.

George Thompson
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
August 22, 2026 7:09 am

Better reason is to eliminate Democrats and the leftist control of education. Gosh, think what it would be like to have educated, thinking masses again.

Denis
August 21, 2026 7:27 am

Another thing to standardize is the modeled effect of CO2 on temperature and whether or not to include increased water vapor as an amplifying effect. Observations show that atmospheric humidity has been decreasing in recent decades indicating that water vapor amplification does not occur. We have the work of Happer and Wijngaarden showing the doubling effect of CO2 on temperature, 1C or less per doubling, decreasing as doubling increases. Some have estimated as low as 0.6C per doubling. I expect we also have data on heat transfer by ocean and air currents which could be used to standardize natural effects. We have lots of actual data regarding the observed atmospheric effects of CO2 which should be used to standardize model inputs. It should all be used.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Denis
August 21, 2026 9:28 am

“Observations show that atmospheric humidity has been decreasing in recent decades”

Not (surface) specific humidity it hasn’t ….

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“Annual mean specific humidity anomalies (relative to 1981-2010) from 70°S-70°N for land areas, ocean areas and blended land and ocean.”

RH had been decreasing until recently ….

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https://climate.metoffice.cloud/humidity.html

strativarius
Reply to  Anthony Banton
August 21, 2026 11:13 am

Annual mean specific Banton – alarmist banter writ large.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  strativarius
August 22, 2026 5:14 am

Ah, the mighty strati come-back.
Oh how it hurt, destroying my post with devasting incite.

George Thompson
Reply to  Anthony Banton
August 22, 2026 7:14 am

Speak English much? It’s always good and useful to see Strativarius loose on the street-I mean blog-if only to get on your shit and make us most happy.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
August 22, 2026 10:03 am

Gotta say I gave you an upvote, not because I agree with you (or disagree with strat) but I got a chuckle out of your wordplay. Well done…

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Anthony Banton
August 21, 2026 11:28 am

Anyone who accepts anything put out by the UK Met Office without doing an in-depth verification anaylsis is a fool.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 22, 2026 5:22 am

As if any one on here cheering with the converted ever did “an in-depth verification anaylsis” before piling in to support it.

Denis
Reply to  Anthony Banton
August 21, 2026 11:42 am

Check climate4you.com under the climate + clouds button and you will find NOAA specific and relative humidity data at all elevations. You will also find total column water content from the surface up but that data ends in the 1990s. Don’t know why. I don’t know how the MET office defines “surface” but for most, its within about 6 ft of the surface. The spikes shown in your MET office data do not appear.

Reply to  Denis
August 21, 2026 1:55 pm

The Met Office doesn’t have a clue about any reality at the surface..

The abysmal state of their weather sites does not allow them to.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Denis
August 22, 2026 5:25 am

“Global warming at near-constant tropospheric relative humidity is supported by observations
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00561-z

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Denis
August 22, 2026 6:09 am

Do you mean this ? …..

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Because it shows SH increasing at 1000mb and 600mb (mid-trop) from around 1980 and more especially from around 2000.
At 300mb it fell until around 2000 and then has overall risen.

BTW: the climate4you 1000mb is not the same as the MetO’s surface as that is taken from computation of SH from observed temp and dew pt from global surface obs.

Mr.
August 21, 2026 8:00 am

All these scenarios reflect an agenda that is the product of the desire for one world governance that emanated from that Club of Rome cabal.

If the outputs of all these special-purpose agencies such as the WMO, the UNFCCC, the IPCC, etc etc had to be treated the same as capital-raising prospectuses that get scrutinized by stock markets as to their viability, maybe more of the RCP8.5-type crap would be binned before they even got to the printers.

Just like what happens with implausible capital-raising prospectuses when they’re put to the stock markets – rejection at birth.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Mr.
August 21, 2026 12:02 pm

Technically, the one world governance concept goes back at least to President Wilson.

Club of Rome cabal, absolutely.

George Thompson
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 22, 2026 7:17 am

Wilson…boy did he screw up not only the States but the whole pitiful world…another loser Democrat in a long line of continuing losers.

sherro01
August 21, 2026 8:52 am

Here,we have another failure of scientific practice because of the near absence of formal estimates of measurement uncertainty as detailed in GUM, the ‘bible’ for such work.
There is substantial value from researchers recognising that the outcome of calculations is in two parts, the number itself and the “+/-” part showing a boundary within which the number might vary, with differing amounts of probability.
There is a possibility that some model outputs expressed as temperatures that show a warming trend could in reality show a cooling trend. Cooling is also a possible answer, just with less statistical probability.
Researchers tend to avoid this contrary type of result by avoiding formal GUM calculations. This is very poor science. Uncertainty estimates were developed as a way to warn that perverse outcomes might exist. By using GUM, such outcomes can be discovered and this outcome can be as important as the number itself.
I have been beating this uncertainty drum, with several colleagues, for over a decade now. Failure to show a formal GUM analysis is one reason why we so often describe climate “science” as poor quality, so bad that it drags down public confidence in science.
Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
August 21, 2026 11:00 am

Good points, Geoff. It should be clarified, however, that the uncertainty interval is not a range in which varying physical realizations are known to be possible. Rather, the properly propagated +/-uncertainty at some point in the future defines an interval (of ignorance) within which the value cannot be determined by the model. Recall that this point was a key part of the debate which followed Pat Frank’s 2019 paper “Propagation of Error…” – some of that dialogue occurred here at WUWT.
Keep up the good work!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  sherro01
August 21, 2026 11:35 am

We are required to do all of that and more prior to launching a rocket.

Imagine what would happen if a valid link margin anlaysis for the RF communications between ground and vehicle did not address variations in atmosphere, trajectory tolerances, and a myriad of other know phenomena were left out.

It’s a long list.
We measure the cost of a launch in terms of kilograms of paper per kilometer of apogee.

Mr.
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 12:48 pm

But just imagine the glee of Hollywood space disaster movies producers.

An Apollo 13 type story-line every other month – manna from heaven!

(pardon the appalling pun 🙂 )

Dave Andrews
August 21, 2026 8:55 am

Some diehards claim that RCP8.5 had been moved on from but Roger Pielke notes that from 2018 – 2021 Google Scholar reported 17,000 papers were published based on it whilst from 2021 – 2024 there were 16,980. Difficult to classify 20 papers less as moving on!

Dave Burton
August 21, 2026 9:12 am

It is not true that “the CMIP6 high emission levels (quantified by SSP5-8.5) have become implausible,” because they were always implausible.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Dave Burton
August 21, 2026 11:36 am

Bingo!

DMA
August 21, 2026 9:44 am

“Long-term economic projections can contain layer upon layer of assumptions.
First comes an emissions scenario.”
At about 43 mins into this video
Bing Videos
Cohler and Soon declare “The rise of atmospheric CO2 over the last 62 years is natural. The human contribution to that rise is negligible.”
If the emissions scenario should be about 0.0 the other steps are moot. If natural CO2 variation could cause dangerous global warming it would have already happened.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  DMA
August 21, 2026 11:37 am

“If natural CO2 variation could cause dangerous global warming it would have already happened.”

It has.
Proof?
You are here posting.
/humor

August 21, 2026 10:35 am

Good article.

“Show the assumptions. Show the uncertainty. Check whether the model reproduces the real-world quantity being discussed. Then present future projections.
The amendment specifically calls for observational metrics, periods of record, data sources, uncertainty and model-performance checks before future projections are used for policy. It should never have become controversial.”

Let’s be honest about the rapid buildup of uncertainty in the iterated computation of the climate system energy state as the time steps proceed. There is no CMIP model that avoids this problem.

https://www.regulations.gov/comment/DOE-HQ-2025-0207-0371

So RCP 8.5 was an implausible scenario of emissions and other aspects of the future conditions. Fine.

But skeptics of climate alarm should also identify the method failure in the use of ANY of these time-step-iterated models running ANY scenario. For investigation of the climate response to emissions of CO2, it was implausible from the start for the output to be anything but a baked-in result of the ASSUMED “forcing” influence at the outset. Circular.

Thank you for listening.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  David Dibbell
August 21, 2026 11:44 am

The software needs to be subjected through independent verification and validation testing.
It hasn’t.

There are no software requirements documents, A Spec, B Spec, or C spec.
It is hacker mode for lack of a better description.

The models have never been subjected to parametric sensitivity analysis.
Partial differentiation used to be used. Now it is simpler to run iterations.
Even Monte Carlo simulations would be better than the junk they do.

Circular? Spot on, mate.

Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 11:07 am

Just one nit.

Models are not experiments.

Models are imperfect simulations of reality as it is understood, but too often include assumptions: stated, unrecognized, or simply biased. When reviewing a model, one first must identify and challenge all assumptions.

This NCA5 proposed amendment is definitely a step in the right direction, a step towards science.

Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 11:15 am

STORY TIP:

Coral bleaching may not be a death sentence.

https://www.coralguardian.org/en/bleaching-of-coral-reefs-death-sentence-or-scope-for-adaptation/

Coral is an animal. I was surprised, but in hindsight I should have recognized that.

It lives in various environments but with sensitivities to changes in the environment. Salinity, warm water, cold water, pollution, and solar irradiance all can cause coral stresses. Bleaching occurs when the coral is stressed. Bleaching is when the dinoflagellate microalgae (symbionts) leave, die, or are ejected by the coral.

The paper addresses a tested hypothesis of coral adaptive bleaching, which is to say that the coral ejects one set of symbionts to attract different microalgae more compatible with the changed environment.

One nice thing about reading that paper is it did not put the blame on “climate change” due to “GHEs” and blah, blah, blah. The only reference to climate change was within the bounds of the local environment in which the coral grew.

Refreshing to read science without having to block out propaganda.

Mr.
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 1:07 pm

What an interesting story and organization.

People from many parts of the world collaborating on real-world observations of corals’ adaptation behaviors to activities such as fishing etc and natural changes in their environments.

Bookmarked for more extensive reading through their “Impact Reports” going back to 2013.

(My quick initial impression of their approach –
“never mind the bollocks . . . ” )

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
August 21, 2026 6:15 pm

This is age-old knowledge, it is not a hypothesis and was a well attested phenomenon long before the climate crisis scare was invented.
At the same time, it was well understood the corals are a warm water form of life and all the coral reefs are closer to the equator and far from the poles.

Reply to  Phillip Chalmers
August 22, 2026 9:01 am

Warm water corals are a warm water form of life. There are lots of cold water corals as well.

August 21, 2026 12:21 pm

-8.5 was always implausible. And don’t get your hopes up. As the Met Office response to strativarius, states, “… higher levels of warming still might be reached if some feedbacks in the climate system turn out to be stronger than current estimates …”), the modelers can just adjust the feedbacks to get the desired results.”Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.” We must continue to review and critique the statements of the folks supporting “the Cause”.

rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 1:02 pm

This from Copilot AI in a discussion about models over the years …

******Is RCP 8.5 still considered plausible?Recent assessments have changed the interpretation:

  • A 2026 study found RCP 8.5 “no longer plausible” as a baseline future. (Wikipedia)
  • The scenario assumed extremely high future emissions and a dramatic expansion of coal use—assumptions now inconsistent with observed global energy trends. (Carbon Brief)

Thus, RCP 8.5 is now treated primarily as a stress‑test scenario, not a realistic expectation.
******

But the international press and the US government haven’t gotten the message or are too ignorant or lazy to change their tune. Remember, their job is to sell advertising, be re-elected or hold on to their jobs, not inform their readers/listeners/watchers/voters/supporters.

Anyone who has studied history will recognize the above.

Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 3:10 pm

Did you actually read what you posted?

The RCP8.5 scenario has been rejected because an expansion in the use of coal is no longer considered likely.

That’s it.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 3:23 pm

It was always arrant nonsense and fantasy from the start..

… CO2 does not effect the climate, so ANY scenario using CO2 as a crutch, is arrant nonsense.

Coal continues to expand solidly around the world, as does Gas.

India And Indonesia Double Down On Fossil Fuels, Reject Green Dogma For Growth – Climate Change Dispatch

African Coal Shifts from Expansion to Efficiency as Global Investment Hits 14-Year High – Prospect

FutureCoal Expands Africa Chapter Amid Energy Security Push

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  bnice2000
August 21, 2026 6:24 pm

You are correct. There are some true believers here just now.
The CO2 is rising and rising and the very slow climate warming has levelled off and is about to become a mild cooling (NOT AN ICE AGE) until 2035

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2026 5:18 pm

bullshit

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2026 6:20 pm

I know there are devotees of AI in abundance who post on the site. It give them the answers they want to be given.
AI is being tested repeatedly, and it is found to be prone to lie and to site sources which do not exist or assert the opposite to the answer it is giving and even to argue that it did not do things which it is recorded to have been doing.
In short, many of us DO NOT TRUST AI in any way, shape or form.