Are Climate Models “Just Physics”?

The claim is often made that climate models should be believed because they are just physics. In a paper I published a few years ago, I argued that this is not how science works. Even valid scientific theories may not yield precise predictions, for various reasons such as heterogeneity (e.g., earthquakes). In this post I extract some of the key results, about 1/3 of the full paper. If anyone cannot access the journal version just email me. Here is the citation:

Loehle, C. 2018. Epistemological Status of General Circulation Models. Climate Dynamics 50:1719-1731. DOI 10.1007/s00382-017-3737-7.  

The epistemological status of general circulation models

Craig Loehle, Ph.D.

National Council for Air and Stream Improvement, Inc. (NCASI)

Craigloehl@aol.com

Abstract.  Forecasts of both likely anthropogenic effects on climate and consequent effects on nature and society are based on large, complex software tools called general circulation models (GCMs). Forecasts generated by GCMs have been used extensively in policy decisions related to climate change. However, the relation between underlying physical theories and results produced by GCMs is unclear. In the case of GCMs, many discretizations and approximations are made, and simulating Earth system processes is far from simple and currently leads to some results with unknown energy balance implications. Statistical testing of GCM forecasts for degree of agreement with data would facilitate assessment of fitness for use. If model results need to be put on an anomaly basis due to model bias, then both visual and quantitative measures of model fit depend strongly on the reference period used for normalization, making testing problematic. Epistemology is here applied to problems of statistical inference during testing, the relationship between the underlying physics and the models, the epistemic meaning of ensemble statistics, problems of spatial and temporal scale, the existence or not of an unforced null for climate fluctuations, the meaning of existing uncertainty estimates, and other issues. Rigorous reasoning entails carefully quantifying levels of uncertainty.

1            Introduction

General circulation models (GCMs) attempt to embody the current understanding of climate dynamics via process equations and numerically solve these equations to simulate climate with various scenarios of human influences (Taylor et al. 2012). These models are complex and have been evolving since the 1960s (Manabe and Wetherald 1967). The output of GCMs is given a central place in formulating public energy policy. The basis for this central policy position is that the models are based on physics (IPCC 2013), with high confidence (>95%) given to many attribution and forecast results (IPCC 2013 SPM). IPCC also reports that GCMs do a good job of matching historical data and that without including greenhouse gases the match is not good (IPCC 2013, Fig. SPM.6).

There is a vast literature that compares GCM outputs to various climate features (see following sections). Such tests are complicated by the stochastic nature of both climate and the models. GCM vs. data comparisons are judged to be poor, adequate, good, or excellent, depending on the variable and the study (McWilliams 2007). This ambiguity results from a multiplicity of criteria of model goodness as well as varying results.

Evaluating knowledge claims (of which there are several) based on GCMs can be aided by a consideration of epistemology (see Williams 2001 for an overview), which is the logical framework for evaluating how we know and what is knowable. With an epistemological analysis, we can assess the status of a theory/model in terms of its logical basis, reliability, and rigor. With this framework we can evaluate both the tests of model goodness and the consistency of results derived from GCMs with known physics. I first illustrate these issues from several areas of science and then return to the question of the epistemological status of climate models.

2            Models and epistemology

Science is the process of formally discovering regularities in nature. An explanation of or formal model for a regularity in nature is called a theory (or law if it is well-supported). Newton’s law of gravity is a classic and simple example. In this case, the obedience of objects to this law at human scales is apparently exact. Such highly accurate theories are commonly treated as explanatory.

The ideal case of testable theories can be found in classical physics. Newton’s and Maxwell’s laws make very specific predictions as well as forbidding certain things from happening. These laws were convincingly demonstrated by experiments, but note that even here confounding factors such as friction must be controlled in order to test them. In these cases, the standard of theory validity is very high. Experimental data often match theory almost perfectly and events such as the return of a comet can be predicted decades in advance. The apparent perfection of these laws has perhaps led to a belief that they are “true” in the absolute, logical sense, but as noted even gravity has some unexplained features.

Valid and useful theories, however, do not spring into life fully formed and perfect, nor are they always as accurate as Maxwell’s equations. When Alfred Wegener (trans. 1966) proposed the theory of continental drift in 1912, it cannot in any sense be said that his theory was mature. A mechanism for continental movement was lacking (and it seemed impossible to many that continents could move), as was sufficient supporting data. As data were gathered, particularly on sea floor spreading and the process of subduction, a coherent picture came into existence of plate movements, the rise of mountain ranges, the origin of volcanoes, and the reason for the location of earthquake zones. However, after a century of maturation of this theory, it remains a qualitative theory because while it can explain the general locations of earthquake and volcanic zones, it cannot predict the size, precise location, or timing of either earthquakes or volcanic eruptions due to the heterogeneity of the Earth’s crust and the impossibility of obtaining detailed data. Thus, even a mechanistic and well-tested theory need not be able to make precise predictions, perhaps ever. As a theory matures, it hopefully becomes more precise, but this is not guaranteed (Loehle 1983).

There is an asymmetry noted by Popper (1959, 1963) in his famous Principle of Demarcation: it is possible to reliably disprove a theory, but a theory can never be proven. Instead, successive successful tests of a theory only increase our confidence in it. This does not mean that we know nothing, as knowledge relativists might assert, but rather that scientific knowledge is provisional, bounded (gravity is not clearly explicable at the atomic level), and a matter of degree (Loehle 2011). In some cases this knowledge can encompass many significant digits, but in others, it may be more qualitative.

Critically, testing an evolving theory does not and should not follow the simple hypothesis testing model used in empirical experimentation. When testing a medicine vs. a placebo, a simple better or worse or a “how much” answer often results from statistical tests. When testing a theory, there are multiple aspects of the theory that may each receive partial support at a particular time, and alternate explanations that may need to be ruled out (Reiss 2015). A network of confirmation, mathematics, and causal explanation supports belief in a theory at any moment, not a simple yes/no. As a theory becomes more mature and more rigorously tested, we ascend the scale of epistemic certainty. There is an asymmetry, however, from proving a theory to using it for some calculation. The tests that lead to acceptance of a theory as “true” are often done under carefully controlled and ideal conditions, such as a vacuum. In any calculation based on a theory we may instead be using it under non-ideal conditions. For example, a falling feather behaves differently in a vacuum compared to in air. The bridge from idealized physics to real world applications is the set of approximations, simplifications, discretizations, empirical relationships, estimated initial conditions, and numerical methods used to create a calculation tool (Loehle 1983) that can be used to compute some result. These bridge relationships are what prevent a calculation tool from being a perfect representation of the underlying physical (or other) theory. If these confounding factors are sufficiently difficult to quantify and model, we may not be able to make any predictions (e.g., for the path of a dropped feather). The correctness of a calculation tool is thus an empirical question of how accurate or useful it is, rather than a question of true or false as we take it to be for theories/laws.

3            Basis of climate models in physics

What then is the epistemological status of GCMs in terms of their basis in physics? GCMs are a mix of simulated processes that are viewed as well-understood physics (e.g., radiative transfer) and those that are poorly understood (e.g., cloud microphysics, IPCC 2013, p. 599). To what extent can we trace the algorithms used directly back to known physics? To what extent does the basis in physics prove their truth value, explanatory power, or reliability? As we have seen above, theories in physics that approximate our common notions of “truth” are, at least in idealized settings (e.g., frictionless vacuums), able to make very precise real-world predictions. Can GCMs approximate such clean physical theories as Newton’s laws of motion in a vacuum? If so, then a great deal of confidence in their results is warranted. However, even for a simple problem like tossing a die or flipping a coin, sensitivity to initial conditions means that the outcome cannot be predicted even though based on known physics. In the case of climate models, Rougier and Goldstein (2014) state that the laws of the Earth’s climate system are not all known and are not explicitly solvable at sufficient resolution. Katzav et al. (2012) note that model completeness and structural stability are unknown. This is particularly true for the Navier-Stokes (N-S) equations for fluid dynamics, for which no analytic solutions are known. This inability to explicitly solve the equations is why numerical simulation is used. However, the proper simulation of the equations of fluid dynamics is far from straightforward (Thuburn 2008). A particular problem is that while the proper solution of these equations requires conservation of mass, energy, momentum, and other properties in a continuous fashion (at infinitely many scales) because they are partial differential equations, the models are discrete. Processes such as dissipation of energy and the propagation of vortices occur below the grid scale and no theory exists to guarantee that the gridded model handles them properly (McWilliams 2007; Marston et al. 2016). Simulated processes within a grid may not propagate smoothly to neighboring cells, creating the potential for ringing, the accumulation of numerical solution errors with time, or result in errors in winds or proper modeling of phenomena such as the Quasi-Biennial Oscillation (Thuburn 2008). These issues have not been adequately resolved (e.g., Katzav et al. 2012) and, in fact, the solution of N-S equations remains a Millennium problem (see http://www.claymath.org/millennium-problems/navier-stokes-equation). Thus, the models may violate conservation laws and exhibit numerical solution artifacts. Stevens and Bony (2013) showed, for example, that even in an idealized model of a water planet with prescribed surface temperatures, the spatial responses of clouds and precipitation to warming are quite different depending on the model. This illustrates that agreement has not been reached on how to represent or compute these processes on a grid. Zhou et al. (2015) document errors in how solar radiation is zonally averaged in some models. Staniforth and Thuburn (2012) document that all existing grid numerical solution schemes have known problems including grid imprinting and the excitation of computational modes. The inadequacy of current gridding schemes is shown by the fact that a higher resolution model often produces many differences compared to current models (Sakamoto et al. 2012). Improved numerical methods continue to be introduced to resolve the known problems with solving N-S PDEs (e.g., Marston et al. 2016). In addition, sub-grid parameterizations exist in all models (McWilliams 2007; Katzav et al. 2012; Hourdin et al. 2016) increasing uncertainty. McWilliams (2007) notes that small structural (equation form) differences in sub-grid parameterizations can lead to different dynamical attractors in such fluid dynamics systems.

Let us consider the most fundamental physics of climate models: the radiative properties of CO2 in the atmosphere. While there is indeed a basic theory for this process, there are many radiative transfer software tools (Oreopoulos and Mlawer 2010) because calculation of radiative transfer on a globe with a heterogeneous atmosphere is a difficult numeric problem, unlike the acceleration of a falling body in a vacuum. The spectrum is evaluated at different resolutions using various geometric assumptions and methods in each of these tools. More seriously, Oreopoulos and Mlawer (2010) document that 1) the basic theory itself continues to evolve; 2) the algorithms used in GCMs are much simplified due to computational considerations; and 3) different GCMs do not use the same radiative transfer algorithms. It is thus clear that even here there is a gap between basic theory and what is computed, with unclear consequences.

Likewise, each GCM makes different assumptions about forcing histories, clouds, land surfaces, spatial gridding, etc., and uses different numerical methods for solution. Estimated forcings changed considerably between the IPCC AR4 and AR5 reports, and the effect of aerosols is still being revised (e.g., Stevens 2015) with major differences in representation between models (Wilcox et al. 2013). Parameterizations (i.e., empirical relationships) are used for processes that take place below the grid resolution, such as cloud behaviors and precipitation (McWilliams 2007). These empirical relationships have free parameters that must be tuned (Lahsen 2005; McWilliams 2007; Mauritsen et al. 2012; Schmidt and Sherwood 2015; Hargreaves 2010; Hourdin et al. 2016) and these tunings can be arbitrary (e.g., Soon et al. 2001, their Fig. 4). Errors in these approximations are difficult to quantify, but certainly take the models far from the domain of pure representation of ideal laws of physics such as black-body radiation from a uniform surface of known temperature, as also argued by Katzav et al. (2012). Arguments can also be made that significant physical processes are left out of the models, such as effects of the Earth’s electric field (Andersson et al. 2014).

If GCMs cannot be viewed as precise representations of theory based on the derivation of some components from well-supported physics (per above), what epistemological status do they have? One approach to assessing their truth value is to argue, not forward from the underlying physics, but back from the quality of their outputs. It can be successfully argued that they do embody aspects of current understanding of the Earth climate system or they would not work at all. Katzav (2014) and Schmidt and Sherwood (2015), for example, argue that this knowledge embodiment is indicated by the superiority of current models compared to a naïve model or compared to previous generation climate models. Smith (2002) and Oreskes et al. (1994) suggest that the models are a useful analogy or heuristic. McWilliams (2007) argues that because of irreducible uncertainty in model outputs due to chaotic dynamics, GCMs should be judged based on plausibility rather than whether they are correct or best. He argues that the models “yield space-time patterns reminiscent of nature … thus passing a meaningful kind of Turing test between the artificial and the actual.” The IPCC (2013, p. 145) states that these models can be viewed as tools for learning about the climate system. Many outputs (particularly temperature) show good agreement between models, indicating some sort of truth value to the models (Räisänen 2007). However, inter-model agreement can arise from common assumptions, shared algorithms, and similar data used for tuning. Parker (2011) argues that agreement of predictions across models, while providing some supporting evidence, is not sufficient to establish any epistemic certainty in their truth value. For these reasons, efforts to confirm (verify) climate models (e.g., Lloyd 2010, discussion in Katzav et al. 2012) are missing the point. While these models can be plausible, pass a Turing test of sorts, and agree with each other, the problems of irreducible dynamics and numeric uncertainty (e.g., McWilliams 2007) and other issues mean that the theoretical underpinning of the models cannot be assumed to imply validity for making useful predictions. This raises the question of their usefulness as predictive tools, discussed next.

4            Climate models as calculation tools

Because GCMs are continuously evolving and some aspects may lack a rigorous and close link to the underlying physics, they are unfalsifiable by Popper’s criteria (see Curry and Webster 2011), and must be judged as calculation tools. It is thus necessary to test the models in some way before using them.

Testing complex simulation models is difficult. The large number of tuned (estimated from data) parameters in these models (Murphy et al. 2004; Hargreaves 2010; Schmidt and Sherwood 2015; Hourdin et al. 2016) suggests that model parametric uncertainty could be high but this has been insufficiently evaluated to date (Guttorp 2014). There are potential structural (equation form), parameter, and data error issues (Loehle 1987, 1988; Hourdin et al. 2016) that have been little explored. There are many specific types of sensitivity and error analyses that can be conducted (e.g., Falloon et al. 2014; Guttorp 2014; Rougier and Goldstein 2014) to evaluate the reliability of model outputs, but these methods have almost never been applied to GCMs because of their large computational burden (Falloon et al. 2014). Allen and Ingram (2002) and McWilliams (2007) argue that ensembles of opportunity (a collection of models) do not adequately sample model uncertainty and recommend a full uncertainty (initial condition, parametric, equation functional form, numerical method, etc.) analysis in order to bound possible forecasts, an analysis which has still not been performed for GCMs. Thus, critical information for decision makers on model uncertainty is not available for GCMs.

Models of turbulent dynamics exhibit sensitivity to initial conditions (Frigg et al. 2013). Given a structurally perfect model (i.e., all equations and parameters are correct; numerical methods work correctly), the effect of initial condition uncertainty can be estimated by making multiple runs with perturbed initial conditions, giving a probability distribution for the outputs. This assumes that the errors in initial conditions can be characterized and that a sufficient number of runs can be made, neither of which is usually true in the case of climate models (McWilliams 2007). In a unique case study, Deser et al. (2016) perturbed a base run with machine error-level noise (i.e., round-off error) applied to the initial temperature field. They found very large differences in winter 50 year trends for regions of North America across 30 runs of several °C. They found that an ensemble approach could separate the internal variability vs. the forced signal to give better agreement with historical data. However, this is based on an infinitesimal initial condition perturbation. True initial condition uncertainties are many orders of magnitude greater. More significantly, if there are any structural errors (wrong equation form to represent a process), this stochastic perturbation of initial conditions can be not only uninformative, but misleading (Smith 2002; Frigg et al. 2014; Hourdin et al. 2016).

It may be more informative to examine GCM outputs more narrowly rather than as a whole to see what can be predicted with sufficient accuracy. The IPCC (2013) graphs GCM outputs of global mean temperature since 1850 on an anomaly basis (as departures from the mean), but if plotted on an absolute temperature basis, the time series differ by up to 4° C (SI Fig. 2). A similar result (up to 4° C offsets) was found for the continental US (Anagnostopoulos et al. 2010). This is not a trivial difference because long-wave radiation from an object by the Stefan-Boltzmann relation is proportional to the fourth power of the surface absolute temperature (Anagnostopoulos et al. 2010). If models differ in mean temperature by this much, are they handling the basic physics in the same ways or implementing the physics with correct algorithms? This raises epistemic questions about the forecasts produced by GCMs. Hawkins and Sutton (2016) note that it has been argued that if the response to increased forcing is linear, then the absolute temperature does not matter much for estimating a response to increased forcing. However, if there is strong positive feedback, then response to increased forcing is greater at higher temperatures (Bloch-Johnson et al. 2015, Gregory et al. 2015). If, in contrast, negative feedback acts to dampen CO2 forcing (e.g., Spencer and Braswell 2011), this would also depend on actual temperature. In either case, absolute temperature would matter (i.e., the response is nonlinear) and the use of anomalies cannot be justified. Anomalies, sometimes called “bias-correction”, are also used for comparing other climate outputs. However, crops, biodiversity, sea level, and ice sheets all respond to actual precipitation and temperatures, and thus the different models would forecast very different impacts even if their anomaly trends matched, as noted by Hawkins and Sutton (2016). The net effect of bias correction or use of anomalies is to obscure the epistemological status of the models by reducing the spread of the model outputs with respect to each other and making disagreements with data difficult to determine.

The use of bias correction can cause other difficulties with testing. Consider the case of comparing global temperature histories to model outputs. If data are in actual °C or are shifted to a common baseline over some period, the correlation statistic is not affected because the constant term drops out of the computation. For other measures, however, the baseline can have an effect. For example, the R2 statistic for model goodness of fit will be different for actual vs. anomaly series, and can actually be negative for unshifted series (i.e., the fit to data is worse than to a simple mean of the data). Hawkins and Sutton (2016) note that normalization (baseline shifting) of a climate series is based on a reference period, typically 30 years, but it can be the entire period of record. Both data and model output are shifted up or down so that their respective means over the reference period are zero. When comparing multiple runs of a single model or of multiple models vs. data, they will all agree most closely during the reference period. This means that the visual impression of model fit or the timing of model good or bad performance can depend completely on the reference period chosen (see Hawkins and Sutton 2016 for examples). This impacts, for example, the question of whether models are currently running hotter than the data. The closer the chosen reference period is to the present, the greater the apparent agreement between the models and data in recent years. For fit statistics such as R2, the choice of reference period can also affect the result and thus the implied model fit. For example, in Figure 2 an artificial example is shown. In Figure 2a, the data and model are both shifted to the 100 year reference period (mean 0). The fit appears visually to be quite good, and R2 = 0.79. However, in Figure 2b the most recent 30 years is used as the reference period. Now the model appears to fit worse in the past and better (almost perfectly) in recent decades, but now R2 = 0.54, a considerable degradation. This raises an epistemic dilemma. If correlation is used as a measure of common trend and pattern (e.g., ups and downs of temperature), this does not account for the bias (offset) in model outputs. If models and data are put on an anomaly basis, this assumes for temperature and precipitation that actual values don’t matter, only the trend, but this is still open to debate. Furthermore, the reference period chosen affects both the visual impression of model goodness-of-fit (for both ensemble spread and pattern of fit over time) and all fit statistics except simple correlation. Issues such as this have implications for epistemic certainty.

5            Conclusions

What, then, of the knowledge question posed by GCMs? As parameterized simulators that generate climate behavior, these tools must fundamentally be judged statistically, quantitatively. Qualitative assessments do not answer the key policy-relevant questions of how much warming, when, and where. Held (2005) argues that achieving improved knowledge of the climate requires the development of simplified, idealized “worlds” (e.g., see SI Fig. 1) to enable an exploration of the processes of large-scale turbulence, heat transfer to the poles, ocean circulation, and particularly how large climate features such as ENSO can persist. Without this exploration of mechanisms, Held argues, it is not possible to explain why different GCMs produce different outputs, why they differ from data, and how they can be improved. This is because the complexity of the models results in epistemic opacity. Proper explanations of the behavior of complex hierarchical systems such as the climate must usually be multilevel and account for factors such as ocean currents, continents, and clouds. Improved understanding achieved in this way could lead to better sub-grid parameterizations.  An example is the recent work by Moncrieff et al. (2017) which derives a multi-scale approach to understanding of organized tropical convection that can be used to develop sub-grid parameterizations. 

If climate models are only “similar to” the real Earth system and act more as an analogy (Oreskes et al. 1994) or as exploratory tools, then they are most useful as a basis for qualitative predictions such as that some warming is likely. If the models can make some predictions (e.g., global temperature) with acceptable precision, it is important to determine which variables can be so predicted. If models exhibit a common bias, perhaps this bias can be accounted for in making policy decisions. Explanations for model performance differences should be pursued, especially the wide range of future trajectories. Given the complexity of the Earth climate system, the foundational basis for the knowledge claims made based on GCMs deserves greater attention. Epistemology, properly applied, can help clarify what we know, how we know it, and the limits of rigorous reasoning that can be justified.

Climate change poses a wicked policy problem. There is a high risk both from action and inaction. This paper does not lead to any particular policy conclusion. Rather, it focuses on the methods that lead to rigorous reasoning. Policy decisions necessarily also involve perceptions of risk, tolerance of risk, cultural values, economics, and other factors beyond the scope of this analysis. However, any policy can only benefit from a better understanding of how climate models are constructed, their physical basis, how they can be tested, and how to assess their outputs.

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113 Comments
Bryan A
June 2, 2026 10:21 am

Some models appear to be short on Physics and strong on Phisics

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
June 2, 2026 12:39 pm

Short on physics and long on psychics.

Reply to  MarkW
June 2, 2026 2:26 pm

… short on Physics and long on PsyOps

Scissor
Reply to  Whetten Robert L
June 2, 2026 3:09 pm

Short on integrity and long on idiocy.

Reply to  Scissor
June 3, 2026 4:52 am

The best answer.

Why not ask renowned scientists like Al Gore or John Kerry or Michael Mann.

They have been parading their nonsense answers to the gullible to cash in for decades, while flying private planes to conferences that pay huge speaking fees

Reply to  wilpost
June 3, 2026 12:09 pm

According to John Clauser, 2022 Nobel Physics Price recipient, “Atmospheric CO2 and methane have negligible effect on the climate. 
The policies government have been implementing are totally unnecessary and should be eliminated. 
The dominant process is “the cloud-sunlight-reflexivity thermostat” mechanism.
Clouds are bright white, reflect 90% of the sunlight back into space, are the most crucial aspect of the climate system.
Oceans are 70% of the Earth surface.
The Pacific Ocean alone is 50%.
The average cloud cover for the Earth is 67%; about 50% over land and 75% over oceans.”

Reply to  MarkW
June 2, 2026 3:39 pm

Heading should say, “Climate models are NOT EVEN physics”

Reply to  Bryan A
June 2, 2026 1:54 pm

Einstein famously said (addressing a graduating class):

“Half of the physics we taught you is wrong. The trouble is that we do not know which half”.

Rick K
Reply to  Bryan A
June 2, 2026 4:35 pm

Short on Physics and long on Psychos.

Reply to  Rick K
June 2, 2026 9:34 pm

Short on physics and long on psychedelics

Reply to  Bryan A
June 3, 2026 6:37 am

One of my favorite Pat Frank quotes:

“Statistics is no substitute for Physics.”

Reply to  Bryan A
June 3, 2026 7:08 am

Any model that includes the surface of the Earth as BB upwelling hundreds of W/m^2 is wrong.

gyan1
June 2, 2026 10:31 am

Studies have shown the uncertainty bands in climate models are 10-100x larger than the tiny effect they are trying to isolate. They are useful only as thought experiments not policy.

MarkW
Reply to  gyan1
June 2, 2026 12:40 pm

Climate science is still in the phase where models should be used to help one figure out what they don’t know yet.

In other words, you put everything you think you know into the model, run the model, they try to figure out why the model doesn’t simulate reality.
Remember that at this stage, even if your model does reproduce reality it may be because you have two assumptions that are both wrong, but in opposite directions so they cancel out.

Reply to  MarkW
June 2, 2026 2:05 pm

Here is Roy Clark’s great video highlighting a farce represented by the collected climate models. Very worth a watch. 🙂

Roy Clark: A Nobel Prize for Climate Model Errors | Tom Nelson Pod #271

gyan1
Reply to  MarkW
June 2, 2026 8:21 pm

The main problem with climate models is they are based on numerous false assumptions. Output is almost exclusively circular reasoning based on cherry picked data and confirmation bias.

Reply to  gyan1
June 3, 2026 4:45 am

Studies have shown the uncertainty bands in climate models are 10-100x larger than the tiny effect they are trying to isolate. 

100%.

I love the part in this essay where the author explains the problems that can occur with using anomalies. Many of us have tried to make the point that the uncertainty in anomalies is vastly understated and make the output of models very questionable. Absolute temperatures DO matter, the problems can’t just be waved away.

gyan1
Reply to  Jim Gorman
June 3, 2026 8:45 am

The output of climate models is pure hypothetical fiction.

Giving_Cat
June 2, 2026 10:46 am

Having read the abstract several times I see nothing but $12 (inflation) words. The only part that rings true is where the abstract says:

“the relation between underlying physical theories and results produced by GCMs is unclear.”

Rephrased:

“GCMs do not produce cogent results.”

Are we sure this isn’t one of those fake studies designed to get through peer review without any actual content?

Craig Loehle
Reply to  Giving_Cat
June 2, 2026 11:42 am

An abstract is of necessity short. Try reading the whole article and tell me it is fake.

Reply to  Giving_Cat
June 3, 2026 5:03 am

This essay has numerous references and discusses issues that have been brought forward at this WUWT for quite some time. Epistemology examines what does it mean to know something, and how can we tell whether a belief is truly justified? This isn’t a trivial issue regarding GCM’s.

The biggest issue is stated by gyan1. Does the uncertainty far outweigh the extremely small temperature trends being forecast.

June 2, 2026 11:00 am

Abstract.  Forecasts of both likely anthropogenic effects on climate and consequent
effects on nature and society are based on large, complex software tools called general
circulation models (GCMs). Forecasts generated by GCMs have been used extensively
in policy decisions related to climate change. However, the relation between underlying
physical theories and results produced by GCMs is unclear. In the case of GCMs, many discretizations and approximations are made . . . . Blah. . .blah. . .blah. . .

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Goes on for about ~4000 words. Can be summarized as “Garbage In, Garbage Out”

That was crude & rude, but scanning down through all those words it looked like a
a detailed list of what constitutes garbage. Estimates, errors, confirmation bias, etc.

Then of course there’s that well known quote from the IPCC:

IPCC TAR Chapter 14 Page 771 pdf3

         The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system,
         and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states
         is not possible.

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Craig Loehle
Reply to  Steve Case
June 2, 2026 11:44 am

Yes indeed it is a detailed list of what goes wrong when trying to draw quantitative conclusions from GCMs but with strong support from the physics/climate/modeling literature. You quote the IPCC p.771 but then they go ahead and act like the predictions are accurate.

Bryan A
Reply to  Craig Loehle
June 2, 2026 2:27 pm

At least it isn’t April 1st.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
June 2, 2026 12:46 pm

Good thing climate models are not being used to make long term predictions.

A long term prediction takes current conditions and then tries to forecast those conditions into the future.

Climate models try to guess what the steady state weather would be like given certain assumptions. Both very difficult problems, but entirely different problems.

Climate models are NOT weather models, completely different beasts..

SxyxS
June 2, 2026 11:17 am

Eventually it is not about physics, but wether it works or not.

Physics is used in this context as the proxy for “authoritative source” argument
while it does not adress the decisive factor – the quality.

KevinM
Reply to  SxyxS
June 2, 2026 7:47 pm

“borrowed prestige”

Reply to  SxyxS
June 3, 2026 4:11 am

Physicists should be insulted the same way veterans should be insulted by politicians who served in the National Guard and never left their country during wartime but tout their “military service” when on the campaign trail.

June 2, 2026 11:30 am

Interesting article here. Much appreciated.

Let’s consider an imaginary time-step-iterated Earth system model with perfect fidelity to all the real physical responses to incoming sunlight, and to all the flow systems from a perfectly-initialized dynamic state. Let’s evaluate the propagation of uncertainty in the surface temperature after one year of iteration, using 30-minute steps. Let’s assume for this exercise that the ONLY uncertainty is in the central value of Total Solar Irradiation (TSI), as published, for the geometric average over the spherical surface. This external uncertainty is +/- 0.13 W/m^2, which will be treated as though it represents the resolution of the measuring system. Let’s assume the temperature response function is 0.2K/(W/m^2). It is noted that every time step makes an independent contribution to the evolution of a temperature result.

Has anyone performed such a simplified assessment, as a reality-check? Glad you asked. Yes!

https://www.regulations.gov/comment/DOE-HQ-2025-0207-0371

The irreducible uncertainty after one year of iteration comes out to about +/- 4 deg C (on a 95% confidence basis.)

There can be no genuine diagnostic or prognostic value concerning human emissions of CO2, CH4, N2O from ANY time-step-iterated simulation of the general circulation or of the coupled climate system.

That is all for now.

P.S. in the comment to DOE, reference is also made to Pat Frank’s work published in 2019, which, to me, is a real eye-opener about “what we can know.”

Reply to  David Dibbell
June 2, 2026 12:27 pm

It should be obvious to anyone that there can be no “flux” balance. Incoming radiation is at a different temperature than outgoing flux. Each happen over different timeframes. The “radiative flux” can *never* actually balance. What balances is the joules-in vs joules-out over a timeframe long enough to cover natural variation cycles. You can normalize the joules-in and joules-out by dividing by an artificial common timeframe but WHY would you do that? It’s nothing more than non-physical garbage. You *already* know the balance from the joules-in and joules-out values!

Reply to  Tim Gorman
June 2, 2026 1:08 pm

This sounds like what Prof. Johnson has been saying. I don’t know if his blog is still active.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tim Gorman
June 2, 2026 1:50 pm

Just a nit.
Incoming radiation has no temperature.
Perhaps you meant sourced by a different temperature?

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 2, 2026 4:06 pm

But the kinetic stuff emr heats has a temp.

hiskorr
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
June 2, 2026 6:47 pm

The “kinetic stuff emr heats” has a wide variety of “temps”, all of which are constantly changing and interacting in the chaos referred to by TG above. Which is why calculating some silly arithmetic GAT is a fools’ errand!

KevinM
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 2, 2026 7:49 pm

Theoretical black body radiation matches curve from undefined object-at-temperature.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 3, 2026 5:17 am

Incoming radiation has a spectrum based on temperature. Insolation from the sun is not monochromatic, it has a frequency/amplitude spectrum. And that frequency/amplitude spectrum is different than the one generated by the earth due to the different temperature involved.

KevinM
Reply to  Tim Gorman
June 3, 2026 8:08 pm

I think three voices are saying the same thing and assuming a disagreement based on tone.

Reply to  David Dibbell
June 3, 2026 4:17 am

Replying to myself here to make a point about the numerical simulations. What can general circulation models be good for? They can do a decent job representing the bulk flow within the compressible atmosphere, the emergence of weather systems, and the transport of water vapor that all of this motion involves. That is why, at relatively high resolution and with frequent updates from observed conditions, they can be valuable for short range weather prediction and for meteorological reanalysis.

In so doing, the ERA5 reanalysis model shows the vanishingly weak and inconsequential influence of incremental CO2 within the overwhelmingly powerful dynamics of the general circulation. It is time for a wider rediscovery of the insights expressed by Simpson and Brunt in 1938 as they patiently explained to Callendar why he should reconsider his proposed attribution of reported warming to rising pCO2. More here, showing those early insights to be valid.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/15/open-thread-181/#comment-4174555

I could be wrong. But I don’t think so.

Please carry on.

June 2, 2026 11:32 am

‘GCMs are a mix of simulated processes that are viewed as well-understood physics (e.g., radiative transfer) and those that are poorly understood (e.g., cloud microphysics, IPCC 2013, p. 599).’

Radiative transfer (RT) may be ‘well-understood physics’ with respect to ‘bodies’, i.e., condensed matter, and even plasmas, but its application to gases in order to explain energy transfer through Earth’s highly convective troposphere is completely phenomenological.

If you believe this to be the position of a ‘crank’, watch this lecture where the late Michael Mishchenko (NASA-GISS) points out what’s required to apply RT to morphologically non-complex clouds of less than 50K particles, and then watch the Q&A where he tells the modelers that mainstream physicists believe that ‘radiative transfer is something really inconsequential, very simplistic, it’s fake, and, uh, they don’t trust us a single bit’.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 2, 2026 12:28 pm

About radiative transfer and the RRTM and RRTMG implementations in GCM’s, the rapid buildup of uncertainty is itself enough to completely blur any temperature projection. The +/- 0.1 K/day “cooling rate error” vs. the Line By Line reference is published. More detail here from a post on the Open Thread in March.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/22/open-thread-182/

Rud Istvan
June 2, 2026 11:36 am

There is a separate climate model problem not touched on in this post.

There is a mathematical theorem CFL constraint on numeric solutions to partial differential equations. To simplify using the NCAR CFL rule of thumb, halving the grid scale to double resolution requires 10x the computation.

Much ‘model physics’ takes place at grid scales of 2-4km. The classic ‘weather’ model example is thunderstorm convection cells. The finest grids in CMIP6, using the superest duperest supercomputers, are about 100km at the equator. That means convection cell physics and their associated vertical heat transport are about 6-7 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE computationally intractable.

The climate pmodel solution is parameterization, for which there are two basic approaches—both described and illustrated in a post here some years ago. Both approaches drag in the unavoidable attribution problem—how much of the parameter is natural variation rather than ‘anthropogenic forcing’?

We know natural variation can be very significant. Even IPCC AR4 SPM said the ‘observed’ warming from about 1920-1945 (visually and statistically indistinguishable from the warming from about 1975-2000) had to be mostly natural since there simply wasn’t enough ppm rise in CO2 to make much of a difference.

As an example of how big a deal this problem is, the only CMIP6 model that did NOT produce a spurious tropical troposphere hotspot was INM CM5. That result was so important the Russians produced (in English) a long explanatory paper (I archived a copy). Simply put, they parameterized ocean rainfall using ARGO data. Twice the ‘observed’ rainfall (mostly from thunderstorms, of course), half the tropical troposphere humidity, no hotspot.

Craig Loehle
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 2, 2026 11:47 am

Rud: in the full paper I go into some detail on the gridding/numerical solution problem for PDEs.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Craig Loehle
June 2, 2026 12:14 pm

Thought you might have. Added it here just in case.

MarkW
June 2, 2026 12:38 pm

If climate models were “just physics” they would start at predicting the motion of each air molecule in the atmosphere.
The fact that because of a lack of processing power, they have to aggregate air in blocks that miles wide and miles deep means that they are at best doing approximations of physics, with lots of built in assumptions to cover for the flaws in attempting to “average” large blocks of air and ocean.

Craig Loehle
Reply to  MarkW
June 2, 2026 2:14 pm

Yes

Curious George
June 2, 2026 12:54 pm

Unfortunately, NCAR models oversimplify even elementary physics – the latent heat of water vaporization. It is not a constant, it depends on temperature. NCAR, your usage of the value for freezing point overestimates the energy transfer by water evaporation from tropical seas by 3%. Remember that most seas are tropical seas.

https://judithcurry.com/2013/06/28/open-thread-weekend-23/#comment-338257

potsniron
June 2, 2026 1:01 pm

I have followed the climate community with high interest since I first laid eyes on Gore’s book. Following, I was educated by the explanations by Lomborg. Since, my engineering wisdom gathered over 65 years makes me summarize the climate science as follows:
If adding two variables to any set of knowns one cannot calculate a firm result. If the assumed parameters are multiples the presumptions are a muck. If one adds gaseous and solid and liquid parameters to this one gets muck-muck. If one adds turbulence and chaotics even God gives up.
Just ask the farmer when the drought will end after he hung a dead black snake onto the fence. Same predictive assurance.

Craig Loehle
Reply to  potsniron
June 2, 2026 2:15 pm

 If one adds turbulence and chaotics even God gives up.” hahahaha I love that line

Michael S. Kelly
June 2, 2026 1:04 pm

Very good article, though I would add one observation. The computational fluid dynamics modeling in GCMs is not physics. That is even assuming that the Navier-Stokes equations are physics (not proven) in that they are simply Newton’s laws of motion applied to a deformable medium. Once turbulence is introduced, the only way to render the NS equations amenable even to numerical solution is through Reynolds averaging – dividing the flow velocity in each direction into a steady component and a time fluctuating component. This results in more variables than equations, so the result is an underdetermined system having either no solutions, or an infinite number of solutions, with no way of telling if any of them is right. Adding further physics-based equations makes the situation worse, and eventually one runs out of physics based equations. So the solution is to add “turbulence modeling” equations that add no more variables, but do contain adjustable parameters. These equations have no physical meaning, but allow the turbulence problem to be “closed.” So the basis of GCMs is even worse than you thought.

June 2, 2026 1:13 pm

Yes, repetition does not make me right, but the 86ing, gas lighting, insults and censorship improve my odds. If I were really, truly wrong nobody would care.

Earth is cooler with the atmosphere/water vapor/30% albedo not warmer. Near Earth outer space is 394 K, 121 C, 250 F. 288 K w – 255 K w/o = 33 C cooler -18 C Earth is just flat wrong. Dividing 1,368 by 4 to average 342 over Spherical ToA is wrong.

Ubiquitous GHE heat balance graphics don’t balance and violate LoT. Refer to TFK_bams09.
Solar balance 1: 160 in = 17 + 80 + 63 out. Balance complete.
Calculated balance 2: 396 S-B BB at 16 C / 333 “back” radiation cold to warm w/o work violates Lot 2. 63 LWIR net duplicates balance 1 violating GAAP.

Kinetic heat transfer processes of contiguous atmospheric molecules render surface BB impossible. By definition all energy entering and leaving a BB must do so by radiation. Entering: 30% albedo = not BB. OLR: 17sensible & 80 latent = not BB. TFK_bams09: 97 out of 160 leave by kinetic processes, 63 by LWIR = not BB. As demonstrated by experiment, the gold standard of classical science.
For the experimental write up see:
https://principia-scientific.org/debunking-the-greenhouse-gas-theory-with-a-boiling-water-pot/
Search: Bruges group “boiling water pot” Schroeder

RGHE theory is as much a failure as caloric, phlogiston, luminiferous ether, spontaneous generation and several others.

When GHE fails the entire CAGW house of cards implodes like the Titan submersible.

The “BALANCE”
GOZINTAZ positive, GOZOUTAZ negative.

TFK_bams09

1st 63 AWOL
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – (0, 1st 63 AWOL) – 396 BB + 333 back – 2nd 63 LWIR = – 63
Does not balance.

Both 63s
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – 1st 63 LWIR – 396 BB + 333 back – 2nd 63 LWIR = – 126 
Does not balance. 

No place ToA for 2nd 63, must return to surface 
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – 1st 63 LWIR – 396 BB + 333 back + 2nd 63 LWIR = 0
Balances: GOZINTAZ = GOZOUTAZ

1st 63 reaches OLR at ToA.
80/17/63 reality from Sun

2nd 63 must return to surface.
396 BB/333”back”/2nd 63 imaginary, zeros out and implodes.

No GHE or CAGW.

K-T-w-explanations
Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
June 2, 2026 2:01 pm

The EM energies do not balance in that stupid flat earth model.
The thermal energies do not balance in that stupid flat earth model.

Please note, the graphic model is stupid.
This is not a personal slight on you.

The shape of the planet is ignored except a ratio or the planet EM cross section versus a perfect sphere surface area. Smooth surface. No mountains. And the global slope versus the wave front vector is not addressed. The planet is not a perfect sphere. It is an oblate spheroid which affects both the EM cross section and the surface area and the angles of incidence.

It ignore the tilt of the planet and the wobble in that tilt.

It assumes the distance from the sun to the earth is constant and the sun’s surface temperature is constant. It ignores the sun orbiting the Barycenter and the earth orbit is an eccentric elipse.

It does not \address latencies (aka propagation speeds) of EM versus thermal energy transfers.

Correct:

No GHE or CAGW or whatever the current alphabet soup is.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 2, 2026 2:51 pm

Not my model but absolutely everybody uses it!!!
And reams of calculations, studies and conferences are stacked on top of it.
Elliptical orbit, tilted axis & albedo are the main drivers of the climate.
& about pts 1 & 3??

Albedo-Heat-Cool-092322
Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
June 3, 2026 11:38 am

I know it is not your model.
I know everybody uses it.

Did you mom not ask you the fundamental critical thinkihg question, “If everyone jumps off the bridge, does that mean you should?”

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 3, 2026 8:47 pm

Fundamental critical thinking.
Cooler w atmos/water vapor/30% albedo not warmer.
Balance graphics don’t.
Surface cannot upwell as BB.
Got critical refute?

June 2, 2026 1:20 pm

From the article:”Let us consider the most fundamental physics of climate models: the radiative properties of CO2 in the atmosphere.”

This got me excited when I read it. Then nothing. What are the fundamental radiative properties of CO2 used in climate models? I have been asking for years what is the emissivity of CO2 used in these models.

if the emissivity of CO2 is zero at atmospheric pressure and temperatures what are we doing?

IMG_0102
Reply to  mkelly
June 2, 2026 5:49 pm

At the Mauna Launa Obs. in Hawaii, the concentration of CO2 is currently 431 ppm. One cubic meter of this air has mass of 1,290 g and contains a mere 0.85 g of CO2. This miniscule amount of CO2 can not absorb enough out-going long wavelength IR light emanating from the earth’s surface to warm up such a large a mass of air.

The claims by the IPCC and the collaborating scientists that CO2 causes global warming and climate change, we now know are based faulty mathematical models of weather and climate and thus can be ignored.

Note and never ever forget how little CO2 was in the air.

Reply to  mkelly
June 3, 2026 4:50 am

And why are the “fundamental physics” of climate models all about a non-factor like CO2?

As Joe Namath once said “You know why? You know why.”

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  mkelly
June 3, 2026 11:39 am

The climate models simplify to:

CO2 is the input.
IR is the transfer mechanism.
Temperature is the output.

Not a robust energy system definition.
Not an energy system definition except in the minds of those embracing “runaway greenhouse effect.”

Laws of Nature
June 2, 2026 2:12 pm

I have the strong feeling that ideas like global climate modeling are used, when conventional science hits a dead end.

The atmosphere has complex and most importantly unknown laws and dependencies, in the sense that our measurements are lacking to allow for a reliable understanding of what’s going on in the necessary detail and will be lacking in the foreseeable future.

Along come these global models where climate experts set in stone what can be ignored or simplified.
In the transition from CMIP5 to CMIP6 Rahmstorf had an article on RealClimate stating that he prefers the older models, which showed his artic trends.
It turned out that those might have just been artifacts of the lower resolution.
I believe that this shows that trends in CMIP5 and older models can reflect just the believe of the modeler and not physics and should us make very suspicious of predictions based of newer models as well, after all we are looking at 50+ years of bold but wrong claims and no reliable tool of control or verification.

heme212
June 2, 2026 3:12 pm

rocks are also tools, but there are better ways to drive a nail

June 2, 2026 3:18 pm

this a test of image display

adelaide
Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 2, 2026 5:55 pm

If you click on the image, it will expand to full screen and become clear. Hit the escape key to contact the image and redisplay the comment box.

JonasM
Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 3, 2026 8:47 am

There is a page for doing posting tests:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/test-2/

June 2, 2026 3:24 pm

this second image test

adelaide
June 2, 2026 3:28 pm

This third image test

adelaide
Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 2, 2026 4:43 pm

This is the fourth image test

adelaide
Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 2, 2026 5:00 pm

What is wrong with you, Alzheimers?

Reply to  Charles Rotter
June 2, 2026 6:00 pm

Go check your email for what I found about display of an image.
BTW, can’t you delete the excess comments with tests 2, 3, and 4?

Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 2, 2026 6:26 pm

Naw, I like letting you make a fool of yourself.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
June 2, 2026 6:57 pm

If you delete the comments, computer memory space is freed up. Most of the comments I post never get a reply but do get lots of up votes.

Bob
June 2, 2026 3:30 pm

I’m sure this post is very helpful and informative to many of the WUWT readers. I think I am better informed after reading it but I can’t swear to it. I am convinced that most models are probably good depending on how they are used. I no nothing about models but considering all the variables, parameters, tuned parameters and other adjustments and tweaking it is more a question of do you trust the people running the models not whether you trust the models. I think a majority of those running or fiddling with the models have an agenda and will fiddle with the model until they get the results they are looking for. Until that issue is handled I don’t trust any model not even the ones I think support my views.

Reply to  Bob
June 2, 2026 4:54 pm

Bob, Have a look at the Roy Clark video I linked further up.

Climate models are built on logical and semi-physics-based quicksand. !

Chance of them being “correct” are approaching “1 on infinity”

—–

will fiddle with the model until they get the results they are looking for. “

Like they often do with surface temperature measurements.

Reply to  bnice2000
June 2, 2026 6:05 pm

You should mention to him what these models have done to the economies of Australia, the UK, Germany, for example. Are there any heavy industries left in Oz?

June 2, 2026 3:31 pm

This fourth image test.

June 2, 2026 3:43 pm

At the present time, the average atmospheric concentration of CO2 is increasing by approximately 2.5 parts per million (ppm) per year. This produces an increase in the downward long wave IR (LWIR) flux to the surface of about 40 milliwatts per square meter per year (mW m-2 yr-1). This in turn converts to daily increase of 110 microwatts per square meter per day (110 µW m-2 day-1) and a cumulative total of ~10 Joules per square meter per day. For full summer or tropical sun conditions (sun nearly overhead), the cumulative total for the solar energy is over 20 megajoules per square meter per day (20 MJ m-2 day-1). In round numbers this means that the amount of ‘clear sky’ solar energy incident on the surface each day is about one million times larger than the daily amount of heating produced by CO2. 
 
A climate model is basically a weather GCM with radiative transfer added. The fundamental error is the invalid assumption that the CO2 warming signal can accumulate over time. This error was introduced in the first steady state air column radiative transfer model published by Manabe and Moller in 1961. In the 1967 radiative convective version of this model by Manabe and Wetherald, a fixed lapse rate (vertical temperature profile) of -6.5 °C per km and a fixed relative humidity distribution were added. When the CO2 concentration was increased from 300 to 600 ppm in this model, the ‘equilibrium surface temperature’ increased by 2.9 °C for clear sky conditions. This was just a spurious mathematical warming created by the time step integration procedure. The model required about 1100 eight hour time steps or one year of step time to reach an equilibrium state. In the real world, the model fails within the first three steps when the daily solar heating cycle obliterates the CO2 warming signal – before this time step algorithm is even added to a GCM. The climate models have been fraudulent since the first 1-D model was published by Manabe’s group in 1961.  
 
The temperature increase produced by a doubling of the CO2 concentration from 300 to 600 ppm is now called the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS). Any climate model with an ECS larger than ‘too small to measure’ is, by definition, fraudulent. In US legal terms, the results from such models are hearsay evidence that should not be admitted in court. Once accepted, this should put an end to climate ‘lawfare’.
 
For further details see:
Clark, R., (2024), “A Nobel Prize for Climate Modeling Errors”, Science of Climate Change 4(1) pp. 1-73. https://doi.org/10.53234/scc202404/17
 

Reply to  Roy Clark
June 2, 2026 7:07 pm

Equilibrium climate sensitivity is zero, because there too little CO2 in the air to have any effect air temperature. At the MLO in Hawaii, the concentration of CO2 is currently is 431 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has a mass of 1,290 g and contains a mere 0.85 g of CO2.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 3, 2026 7:23 am

And because feedbacks will counteract any such hypothetical temperature “effect” in any event.

The whole house of cards is built on the assumption “all other things held equal,” which has never been, is not, and never will be the case in reality.

youcantfixstupid
June 2, 2026 5:56 pm

Good article except for the representation at the end that the decisions we may have to make are between ‘action’ and ‘inaction’. Humans have been taking ‘action’ against weather our entire existence. Mitigation, far better technology to save lives, reducing the impact of extreme weather events, better material science etc.

Simply put the ‘precautionary’ principle is not valid in terms of ‘better to not find out so just stop burning fossil fuels’. But its those very fossil fuels that have allowed the dramatic rise in standard of living, medicine, technology, science and life in general.

Craig Loehle
Reply to  youcantfixstupid
June 2, 2026 6:11 pm

At the time I wrote this, my employer was against any statements that addressed policy, so I just stuck with model evaluation. I’m retired now so I can say that of course adaptation is a superior option.

Malcolm Chapman
Reply to  Craig Loehle
June 3, 2026 4:11 am

Could you expand on that? It seems to me that we may be entering a period when “I’m retired now so I can say what I really think” will provide us all with a window into the problem which I will briefly phrase as a question – “how did all this get so mad, and stay so mad for so long, when so many scientifically literate people, in universities and in business corporations, knew it was mad all along?”.

Reply to  Craig Loehle
June 3, 2026 7:33 am

I’d go further and say it is the ONLY option. We are not the driver of the Earth’s climate, nor are rising CO2 levels irrespectiveof source – no empirical evidence shows CO2 to drive the Earth’s climate, and plenty of empirical evidence says it does not.

I’d also note that our need to increase resilience to WEATHER disasters is the result of stupid things we have done. The weather is OBJECTIVELY NOT getting worse, so “climate change” is not the creator of the “need” to increase our resilience to the *weather.*

Building unelevated, wood-framed structures on shorelines and in flood zones, and building wood-framed houses in wildfire prone areas, are NOT “climate” problems. They are “stupid zoning and building code” problems.

June 2, 2026 6:17 pm

In these climate models does the earth rotate, does the moon orbit the earth, does the earth and moon orbit the sun? How do models treat advection which is the lateral move of air like that how deserts? How models treat the transport of water by the wind into the atmosphere?

Reply to  Harold Pierce
June 2, 2026 7:11 pm

Typo Alert: …how deserts? should read …out of hot deserts?

ScienceABC123
June 2, 2026 7:10 pm

The only thing climate models have proven conclusively to date is that we don’t understand the climate as much as we think we do.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  ScienceABC123
June 2, 2026 9:05 pm

I think the understanding of many sceptics was and is quite alright.
Consider the reason why pretty much from the beginning there were people giving good and valid counter arguments to literally any alarmist statement.

Reply to  Laws of Nature
June 3, 2026 8:43 am

Yes because skeptics understand that climate change is natural, and that climate stasis is not and has never been a reasonable expectation.

“Climate change” has been going on for about 4.5 Billion years. The notion that humans have a measurable impact on it is pure hubris.