Charles Rotter,
The crowd was hushed in the courthouse, the benches packed tight with faith, For mighty Mikey Mann had swaggered in, convinced he’d seal his case.
The numbers gleamed upon the board, nine million bold and grand, A figure meant to thunder home the genius of the Mann.
But somewhere in the fine print, far from spotlight’s glare, The truth lay crouched and waiting, inconvenient, small, and bare.
For when the court looked closely, past the bluster and the spin, That mighty nine-point-seven shrank to barely one-one-two within.
And oh, the sound of gavel wood was sharp against the hall— They ruled the play was foul, not fair, bad faith and that was all.
No joy in Climateville tonight, no banners waved in cheer, For Casey—sorry, Mikey—had struck out swinging here.
The court was clear, unamused, its language cool and plain: You fed the jury fiction, sir, and must absorb the pain.
Still, this is not the final pitch; the inning’s not yet done, There’s talk of appeals ahead, a chance to try for one.
So the crowd files out uneasy, scorecards marked with doubt, For though it’s not the final strike three just yet— Mighty Mickey has struck out.
Indeed. If he’s willing to participate in a nine million dollar lie on the stand, what won’t he lie about?
Next stop in Mann vs Steyn? The Court of Appeals.
UPDATE: Phelim McAleer sums it up over at Substack thus:
In short, Michael Mann won a defamation lawsuit over accusations of data fiddling, only to be found to have fiddled the data to achieve his victory.
https://www.steynonline.com/15916/mann-9m-jury-lie
H/T Sturmudgeon, Scissor
Ya know, all this court stuff going on for years hasn’t reduced atmospheric CO2 one bit.
But it slowed it down by net zero….
Dont get too excited by the trial court ruling. It will be appealed, just like all the other rulings. Its going to be another 2-3 years before any cash changes hands, assuming the appellate court rules in Styen’s or Simberg’s favor – A big If.
Its should also be noted the massive award to NR has been negotiated away by NR so that NR avoids additional litigation costs
Fiddling with made up data while ignoring empirical evidence defines these clowns.
WUWT treats evidence like vampires treat sunlight.
The output of models, is not data.
Beyond that, the data shows that CO2 is a minor player in climate change, the small amount of warming since the end of the Little Ice Age has been entirely beneficial, and the increased CO2 in the atmosphere has been a massive boon for plants and for all the creatures that feed on them.
WUWT treats evidence
like vampires treatWITH sunlight.Fixed it for ya.
So what evidence did Mann introduce for his $9 million claim, that was disregarded. Interested people want to know. 😉
It had to do with a grant application which was claimed to be an order of magnitude higher than it was.
Dear Old Cocky,
Happy new year (thought you had gone to the other side!)
All the best,
Bill Johnston
http://www.bomwatch.com.au
Happy New Year to you as well, Bill.
Life got in the way, so I’ve been a bit quiet online for the last little while.
Welcome back. Hope all is going well.
Thanks, Jim.
It wasn’t anything too major, but some shoulder problems and the associated exercises the physio got me doing dampened my enthusiasm somewhat.
There haven’t been all that many topics to chime in on, either. Even your usual sparring partners seem to have been quiet.
Courts treat evidence – in Mann’s case, treat it as it is – complete fabrication.
Michael Mann is a faker, fraud, scofflaw and deadbeat. He is also ignorant and gullible, and believes that adding CO2 to air makes thermometers hotter!
The only support he has is from people who are even more ignorant and gullible than himself.
People like you.
He even got a facsimile of Gore’s Nobel prize to hang in his office and proclaimed that he too was a laureate, until the committee put an end to that fraudulent claim.
Yet, amazingly, isn’t he still adored in academia?
Of course. Anyone pushing the climate propaganda will be highly regarded in academia. All such leftist causes will be supported within academia’s bubble.
Less and less so as DJT pulls government grants.
Thank you for the example. The facts for your assertion are not in evidence. There is nothing that distracts so well as accusing someone of doing exactly what you are doing.
What evidence would that be? Show us all so we can go through point by point with a fine tooth comb.
El Drono has never produced a single bit of scientific evidence to support anything “they/them” says.
But that’s why it’s fun to be here.
Because you keep getting sunlight shone on your BS ??
You don’t even know what scientific evidence is !!
That way no-one can intone “Where the Sun Don’t Shine” to him.
Yuh, some people are masochists. 🙂
When have you ever presented evidence?
You are a flame warrior.
Someone who boosts his ego by thinking he controls other people by inciting responses.
You are not here to discuss the topic.
You are here to prove to yourself that you have godlike powers to control others.
Pathetic. I pity you.
I have to wonder why Anthony puts up with this sort of crap. !
But we need some fools to kick around. It’s good exercise. Really- given that for me, there’s very few climate emergency skeptics here in Wokeachusetts. So, I love it when the fools show up and you folks who know vastly more than me about the climate shred them. Shows me how to do it here.
One thing that has made WUWT what it is is a light touch in the moderation.
Sure, there have been commenters that have crossed that sometimes fuzzy line once too often but, for the most part (and unlike some other sites), here people are free to disagree with each other.
“a light touch in the moderation.”
From experience, I can tell you that comment is truly laughable. !!
My experience is different than yours.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/policy/
I’ve crossed the lines times. Comment deleted. Sometimes with a rebuke. But we’re playing in Anthony’s living room. Would you allow a food fight in your own living room?
Here, you can bring whatever pie you like to the table. But just don’t throw it at anybody.
Anthony respects freedom of speech.
As do I.
I may not agree with what he posts, but I will defend to the death his Constitutional right to prove he is an idiot.
And a new lie spewer has joined the fray. See you are getting the rewards you so richly deserve.
It seems some vanish- then new ones show up- or is the same few with new names?
He’s one of our occasional sea gull trolls.
Squawks, poops and leaves.
Well, I, for one, am disappointed! Was hoping had a new climatard to kick around.
I believe you are suffering from Psychological Projection my friend. Take the RED pill and call me in the morning.
Chuckle. I wonder if you know what evidence is. Do provide some to back up your claim.
Your definition of ‘evidence’ is?
I consider you merely a drive-by-shooter.
Sometimes Justice prevails. I think the punishment is far below what it should be, but Mann has finally been shown to be an unscrupulous scientist.
Mann could not provide evidence that MS was wrong in his takedown. And worse is that the court called Mann out about lying to the jury. That is a serious call out that is not easy to refute.
Anyone who uses his research as a source will be quickly called out.
In some countries, Mann might be charged with a criminal offence relating to perverting the course of justice.
Intentionally lying to obtain a favourable verdict, and a possible financial advantage, seems par for the course in the US.
Lying under oath is a crime, even in a civil case.
He just got his numbers mixed up! Just look at his research for confirmation!
The R2 stats must have been adverse.
I agree that the punishment is insufficient. In fact, it could almost be taken as further, intentional, abuse of Steyn and SImberg by the court. By taking a stern tone of voice, and then ordering a pittance be paid – which likely never will be – the judge is just giving Steyn and Simberg the finger. Rand and I have been friends for about 30 years, and I’ve seen the toll this whole ordeal has taken on him. He has borne up better than I would have. I only met Mark Steyn once, right before his testimony. It is clear that he has been greatly affected by the whole injustice, though again, he has borne it better than I would have – better than I can even imagine. That’s the way this whole thing strikes me, anyway.,
No, sometimes it doesn’t prevail. Consider that Mann succeeded in silencing a host of critics for years. To his backers, that silencing may well be worth the money they will pay out for Mikey taking the financial hit.There are lots of people funding the international global warming industry who would find paying out a few millions for Mikey’s legal malfeasance very small potatoes given what was achieved – silencing their opponents.
They don’t care in the slighest if Mikeys’ name is dragged through the mud. They are undamaged. And thus free to try this again with another disposable hand puppet.
“shown to be an unscrupulous scientist”
Seems that the MSM and academia haven’t noticed.
M.Mann is a scientist?
Nah. He is a numerologist.
“Mike’s lawsuit trick”? Too soon? 🙂
I think his algorithm that produces hockey sticks from red noise was intentional.
I think he tried several and picked the one that worked best for him. I don’t think he was smart enough to figure it out first.
Is that the same AlGore-ithm?
The other possibility is that he is an idiot.
So…
In either case, nobody should be listening to him.
Checked with a few of the AI’s today and they heavily defend the Mann hockey stick. Where can I find the best evaluation of the hockey stick?
Back issues of WUWT? It has been discussed ad nauseam, including lame defenses in comments. The lame defense is that there is a real signal to the red noise, and that Mann did not cherry pick his data.
The McIntyre & McKitrick and McShane & Wyner papers are probably the best bet, albeit rather dry.
You can’t do better than “The Hockey Stick Illusion” by A.W. Montford. When you are
finished reading it you will want to read “Hide the Decline” also by Montford, which is about the climate gang that supported Mann’s work even though they knew it was not accurate.
When is this miserable p.o.s. going to settle his awarded costs bills with Tim Ball’s family?
Never. Michael Mann claimed he won. Just like he claimed he won a Nobel prize, and that he is a “climate scientist”.
Maybe he suffers from delusional psychosis, in which case he can’t help himself. Obviously, his employer is not the brightest, and pays Mann handsomely to brainwash ignorant and gullible students into sharing his fantasies.
He’s a pos so never
Not voluntarily, but involuntary debt extraction might be fun to watch.
That is a debt. Perhaps Ball’s estate needs some advice on debt collection. For all I know they have taken advice and were told that attempting to collect the debt would be throwing good money after bad.
Therefore your court system is as substantial as Mann’s data.
Worthless. Basically a circus, if someone threw in a bucket of sawdust.
Got an alternative? And who is “your”, and what do “you” have that is better?
Indeed. As a former commercial litigation lawyer I must say your description is pretty apt unless you are the one with deep pockets.
But it’s not “my” court system. I just tried to make it work.
It’s time to update the ‘hockey stick’ and add another degree C to the ‘y’ axis to indicate how the NH is now so much warmer than when the vikings were happily farming on Greenland.
Or when conifers were happily growing in northern Russia where they have yet to re-colonise (if ever).
Funny how large amounts of raw data from around the globe, and especially in the NH, show the 1930,40, at least as warm as the first two decades of the 2000s..
Yet HadCrud come up with that fabricated nonsense.
There were very few measurements outside USA and a small part of Europe back in the late 1800’s, so where the heck did they get their “data” from….
Perhaps Ghost Data from Ghost Thermometers in Chinese Ghost Cities?
Is that why the Viking settlements are only now being exposed by melting ice? I would suggest that you think about that slowly for a while….
I think Chris forgot the /sarc after his comment. That’s how I read it any way.
Is that why the Viking settlements are only now being exposed by melting ice? I would suggest that you think about that slowly for a while….
fwiw – There was a study 10-15 years ago which showed glacier extent for a glacier approx 300km from the viking settlement was at its longest point during the MWP.
Both cant be true – the warmest period at the viking settlement and the coldest period only 300km away. Climate scientists do a pathetic job reconciling conflicting data.
You aren’t keeping up that was the old scare we have the new one you are supposed to push
https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/01/1166800
Note how covid has became a non-issue? We’ve learned to stare into the mouth of doom and shrug because the so called science and politics is junk.
Mandates were enforced on the public for what was supposed to be imminent life and death. You really expect the public will allow mandates on a problem that is decades away according to science and politics?
The reality is it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong there is no chance the public authorities again in a long time.
Kenya never had a drought before, and here I thought their most famous son had come to heal the earth.
Are Greenlanders back to happy farming?
Calm down dudes, I’m pretty sure this is sarcasm.
Perhaps you unintentionally omitted a sarcasm annotation?
Next round, “ding”, wonder what he’ll do once he’s knocked out…sue his own mentor? sarc
I don’t like Mann.
Yeah but at least we now know that today it is hotter than the last 10 thousand years..
Oh wait…I just checked, that’s complete crap too!
I hope Nick Stokes was not affected by the bushfires in Victoria that were caused by climate change.
(See https://www.spectator.com.au/2026/01/bushfires-in-context/)
Bill Johnston
http://www.bomwatch.com.au
Not the fire itself… would not wish that on anyone.
… but I hope his region is covered with smoke.. since that is what he likes blowing on this forum..
He’s run on for a long time.
This ruling came from the DC court. Where evidence is an interesting aside but the party of the president who made the appointment determines the outcome. Judges frame the law for jurors:
The judges involved in the Mann defamation case were appointed through the D.C. judicial process, which is unique because D.C. Superior Court judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate for 15-year terms.
Correction: This means the presiding judge during the verdict phase came from a Republican In Name Only (RINO) appointment. W was left of Clinton, only slightly right of Obama, and, well, somewhat more aware of his surroundings than Biden.
W was “misunderestimated”. 🙂
“Left” and “Right” has mean nothing except media misdirection since the National Socialist Party was really fascist 90 years ago. “Personal Control” and “ Government Control” would be more meaningful party names. US use of “Democratic” and “Republican” are also diversionary tactics. Other countries use “Conservative” and “Liberal”. It’s just politicians’ tactics to try to establish a voter base amongst a population that thinks such wordsmithing means philosophical validity….Vote for the rep that has a brain on his/her shoulders….forget the “party” platform…..it’s like simplifying reality to a Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner cartoon…
I’ll give you all of that. My point was only that there was little difference between the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, and Biden, except Biden wasn’t really all there. All of them strove to grow the bureaucracy – and succeeded beyond the Founding Father’s worst nightmares.
You propose all efforts to establish a one party autocracy?
Excellent. We need help, though.
I’ve come to the conclusion that most Republicans and all Democrats want to take the US in the same direction. Their only disagreement is how fast to do it. Democrats want to drag us to the left kicking and screaming while Republicans want to slowly turn up the heat on us frogs sitting in a pot.
So in the USA, all are different under the law – justice depends on which political views you hold?
Sounds like what brutal, vicious, oppressive dictators do.
Surely not in the USA!
I remain skeptical that the party affiliation of he how appointed the judge is relevant.
But to read the media, they scream BIAS at every chance.
I have seen judges with bias. I have seen judges that were unbiased. Party affiliation had no correlation to that limited data set.
Political views are certainly a factor here in the US. Wealth is also a big factor. Whoever can hire the best lawyer can persuade the dumbest judge and jury. Laws are merely a guideline. What is judged “fair” can certainly win out over law.
Examples:
OJ Simpson was declared innocent after killing his wife, despite tons of evidence. Everyone knew he did it he was personable, with a very talented attorney.
Trump could be convicted in NYC of having nuked Europe in 2019. No evidence required. He has lost two lesser cases in NYC despite the lack of evidence of a crime having occurred. The city and its citizens just don’t like him. I can kind of understand that, as I’ve never met a New Yorker I could stand to be around. But I wouldn’t convict him if it wasn’t clear there had even been a misdeed. He was just a member of the wrong political party.
I still haven’t seen a superior judicial system, however.
Meanwhile the usual suspects are at it again with name changing-
James Cook University opens rename committee
However in this case I wholeheartedly concur that with the departure of Peter Ridd they should not continue to besmirch the veritable James Cook’s name any longer under the guise it’s a scientific institution and delve back into the Dreamtime for a more apt choice that suits their mumbo jumbo.
Oh ‘sanctioned’ not ‘sectioned’; wishful thinking.
It’s also a strike out for national park signage propaganda for climate change.
Story tip
The propaganda sign at Fort Sumter SC has been removed.
Here an article about that.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/national-park-service-removes-climate-change-facts-sign-from-civil-war-landmark-fort-sumter-report
“the ground would be “constantly submerged” if Charleston Harbor’s sea level rose by four feet”
Four feet? In which millennium?
Well about a foot rise by 2050.
Yeah sure if it was a reasonable time frame I would take a bet against that and that is your problem no-one cares because its to far away to matter.
No one cares! Charleston had 75 flood events in 2023, the locals certainly care about that. As one resident said: “Every morning when I wake up before I come into work I turn on my apps, I look at Waze, I look at Google Maps just to see what’s going on in case I’m gonna have a ten-minute drive in to work or a three-hour drive in to work.” A result of the sea level rise of about 9″ since 1970.
I’m not sure that CO2 has much effect on land subsidence.
The poem should have been formatted better.
No comments on rhtym and rhyme as it was good enough as posted.
Great opening Charles! 🙂
How about ejection from the game for abuse of ethics rules.
Wow, what a great header image! Love it, Charles!
At trial, Dr.
Mann elected through his attorneys to present to the jury a blown-up demonstrative, without
redaction or explanation, a demonstrative intentionally prepared for its use at trial, which
included a budget (loss) amount of $9,713,924.00, when the correct amount, previously
corrected during a third round of discovery, was $112,000.
https://www.steynonline.com/documents/15915.pdf