July Snow Forecast In Alps Shocks Europeans…Up To 30 cm As Global Temps Plummet!

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By P Gosselin on 27. July 2025

Here’s what the ECMWF is forecasting for Europe the next 7 days:

Source: ECMWF via Snowfan

Earlier this year, the usual suspects were putting out horror scenarios of a summer of heat and drought across Europe in 2025. The most extreme model runs, with temperatures soaring to 45°C, were presented as serious forecasts and as being worrying evidence of runaway climate change.

But now the opposite has occurred and the fear-mongers are now either quiet or simply distorting the facts.

Especially in Central Europe, like across Germany, the weather has turned cool and rainy.

Germany’s Das Wetter.com here recently has since warned of 30 com of snowfall in the Alps – in July!:

Anyone who thought the last few weeks had been cool and changeable should dress warmly. Because from Monday, temperatures across Germany will continue to plummet. This is due to a wave of cold Arctic air rushing in from the far north. Highs of under 20 degrees will then be the reality in many places – in July!”

Heavy snow in the Alps in July

In his article, meteorologist Johannes Habermehl then adds that the snow line in the Alps will be dropping “to just 2500 meters – in some places even lower”, with some forecasting “up to 30 centimetres of fresh snow” at higher altitudes.

And that’s during peak summer!

Global temps plummet

Global temperatures have also been plummeting since the start of this year.

Image: via Snowfan

According to NCEP data, the global mean temperature has dropped roughly 0.7°C! But the media have been completely silent about it.

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July 28, 2025 10:19 pm

Colder temps and more snow are proof of global warming. You really don’t understand climate change at all. Warmer temps and less snow are also proof of climate change. Get it now?

Reply to  davidmhoffer
July 28, 2025 10:22 pm

Yep. Colder, hotter, wetter, drier, more snow, less snow, etc., etc., etc.

I predict this explanation: The weather’s gone crazy due to climate change.
That always happens when there’s a cold snap.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
July 29, 2025 1:14 am

I would say that all the heat has been driven down under, but we’re expecting 5C soon here in the tropics, and on the coast, not inland. That’s horrifically cold for us, even in winter.

Keitho
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Reply to  davidmhoffer
July 29, 2025 2:12 am

Very cold on the Cape Peninsula, 13 deg C for the next few days but today is sublime thanks to a Berg Wind (Fohn) 23C today with thunder and lightening, The Cape of Storms indeed.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
July 29, 2025 4:22 am

With respect (and agreement) to your comment, I would make the following slight revision:

Colder temps and more snow are proof of climate change…Warmer temps and less snow are also proof of global warming.

Climate change encompasses and explains everything that can’t be attributed to global warming.

Nick Stokes
July 28, 2025 10:47 pm

“According to NCEP data, the global mean temperature has dropped roughly 0.7°C! But the media have been completely silent about it.”

It hasn’t dropped that much. The low value you show is actually a model forecast.

Here is a plot of actual measured indices over the last four years (to June). It has come down from the big peak of 2023-4, but hardly to record low levels:

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Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 28, 2025 10:54 pm

But models!

MarkW
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
July 29, 2025 6:29 am

Models are only sacrosanct when their output can be used to support global warming.
Those that fail to support the narrative are to be ignored.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MarkW
July 29, 2025 8:39 am

No longer supporting global warming. Climate apocalypse.

Bryan A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 28, 2025 10:59 pm

Now I was under the impression that Models WERE Data, especially when used to bolster the narrative by infilling for temperature reporting stations that either have no data available or perhaps don’t even exist. 🤔🤔🤔🤗😉

Reply to  Bryan A
July 29, 2025 2:09 am

I was under the impression that models were person non grata among WUWT readers; but apparently that’s a moveable feast.

As long as it goes in the right direction it’s in!

Bryan A
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 5:50 am

That is SOOOOO Climate Science!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 8:41 am

I thought models were attractive women wearing skimpy outfits displaying their wares on a catwalk.

Bryan A
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 29, 2025 10:21 am

Those are SUPER MODELS

gezza1298
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 29, 2025 2:11 pm

They will be wearing fur coats and hopefully fur hats too – love a girl in a fur hat for some reason – if snow is coming.

Robertvd
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 12:56 am

So more CO2 makes temperature rise 2x faster everywhere except globally?

Reply to  Robertvd
July 29, 2025 10:01 am

Yes! Remember, evidence of the LIA and MWP are found everywhere, but those weren’t global!

Frankemann
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 1:02 am

Any thoughts on WHY the media hasn’t reported on this? It is good news, isn’t it? Or is it bad news?

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Frankemann
July 29, 2025 3:14 am

No news is bad news,
Bad news is good news,
Good news is no news…

Mr David Guy-Johnson
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 1:20 am

Your chart shows a virtually identical fall in temperature, just 0.1c less. So once again you are dissembling

Reply to  Mr David Guy-Johnson
July 29, 2025 4:48 am

It also doesn’t show the period which the forecast is based on…

What it does show is that the totally natural El Nino transient is gradually subsiding.

JTraynor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 4:19 am

I think you’re missing the point. The rise starting in 2023 was accompanied by media hysteria as evidence of “runaway effects” or “tipping points” or “we were warned” or other narrative droning. Then when the temps turn down, even if only by “not that much” the drone ebbs, though only by a bit. During the uptick we are lead to believe that CO2 is causing all of this hell on earth and when the uptick reverses, which it always does, the bureaucrats with assistance from the media hope we don’t notice, because it is rarely mentioned.

Reply to  JTraynor
July 29, 2025 5:41 am

Nick has a knack for ignoring the meat to focus on the gristle.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Mark Whitney
July 29, 2025 5:48 am

His sister’s name is Patti Whack, and she works at a bank, and once gave a frog a loan.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 5:44 am

Here is a plot of actual measured indices over the last four years (to June). It has come down from the big peak of 2023-4, but hardly to record low levels:

That is hardly the point to be argued about. Why don’t you address the fact that rising CO2 isn’t a control knob as programmed as a baseline into the models. Natural variation has a major part to play as evidenced by the dramatic drop. Maybe, just maybe, climate science doesn’t have all the parts of the global climate attributed correctly.

When I design an amplifier and build it, then proceed to find that the output doesn’t match the input, I don’t just call it a glitch, I try to find out why. Why don’t you ever attempt to explain why incessant growth of CO2 has glitches and the reason for their appearance?

Richard M
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 6:57 am

Nick, can you provide your reasoning for why temperatures have been falling significantly in 2025? I thought you were among those who claimed Hunga-Tonga only had a minor warming effect. The last El Nino ended in mid 2024. We’re still at solar cycle 25 maximum.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 8:33 am

Anomalies.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 8:39 am

No where in the posted article did the word “records” appear.
You posted a multi-year graphs to challenge a multi-month graphs.

The posted article had a chart extending to August. You state the data in your chart in to June.

Apples to pigmies.

It is interesting how your “actual measured indices” to not track each other.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 29, 2025 10:38 am

Yet.

Bryan A
July 28, 2025 10:49 pm

Climate Change (Global Warming) causes Meteorologists to become unpredictable and climate models to become unreliable

July 28, 2025 11:47 pm

Pro tip for Climatistas: Go look in the deep ocean. Lots of heat hiding there.

Reply to  Shoki
July 29, 2025 2:56 pm

Far more coolth than warmth down there.

Bruce Cobb
July 29, 2025 12:24 am

The climate has collapsed due to CO2 poisoning. You were warned but wouldn’t listen. Run for your lives!

Robertvd
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 29, 2025 12:59 am

We could run to the warm Pole where this cold air is coming from.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
July 29, 2025 1:02 am

And the warm air over Europe in the beginning of summer came from Africa pushed by a cold low in front of Portugal.

July 29, 2025 12:57 am

Ohmigodden!! Climate Breakdown!

Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 1:04 am

Here is the anomaly for temperatures at 850mb (5000ft) over Europe at 00Z Tues ….

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And here it for the NH …..

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Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 5:48 am

Pretty cool temps considering the NH is in the middle of summer. Do you think CO2 is causing that?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 9:56 am

Did you not notice the red bits?
There’s more of the NH with a +ve anomaly than a cold one
A +12C over Turkey and +8s about – one over Scandinavia and one near the Pole.

It causing the anomaly yes (based on 1979-2009), but not the distribution of airmasses that are producing the current position of the +/- anomalies. That is weather.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 10:05 am

How much you want to bet that this will still be “one of the hottest July’s ever” despite all of the blue on that map?

Reply to  johnesm
July 29, 2025 11:33 am

I’ll bet anything you like it won’t be. Ground based temperatures at most will be 3rd hottest. UAH could well be a few places lower.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 8:44 am

How does one get a GAT out of that?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 29, 2025 10:00 am

You don’t (for a start it’s only the NH).
It’s representative of this articles point of it being cold at 2500m over the Alps.
That is ~7500ft and 850mb is the standard height plotted as a chart near that with a calculated anomaly.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 11:38 pm

Oh and Mr Banton can’t /won’t explain why the weather suddenly reverted to typical EU weather POST August 15th ONE MONTH EARLY,
but now it is suddenly 30C+ in the Baltic states.

Oh I forgot Banton lives in ENGLAND, so know all about France, Germany and the French and EU CO2 control knob.

Robertvd
July 29, 2025 1:08 am

At 700 hPa over the Alps we have -2ºC so yes snow is possible.

MrGrimNasty
July 29, 2025 1:15 am

“The most extreme model runs, with temperatures soaring to 45°C….”

Bit silly jumping on a cooler forecast when a some of southern Europe is still on fire.

If NTZ wants to support even reporting, where is his coverage of all the infernos?

It did reach the mid 40Cs, 50C+ in Turkey.
The heat was forecast to spread a little bit further North perhaps.

Mr David Guy-Johnson
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
July 29, 2025 1:22 am

On fire my arse. You stupid dick.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 2:28 am

All you need now is some floods and a drought and it would be situation normal.

Tell you what if you get a plague frogs, lice, flies and locust let me know and I will repent for the end is coming.

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 4:34 am

Shame that a lot of my fellow climate skeptics can’t handle reality TFN.

Reply to  MrGrimNasty
July 29, 2025 5:18 am

Unlike you, they’re not skeptics.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 11:40 pm

And who starts those fires idiot?

HUMANS ie. Arsonists!

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  Mr David Guy-Johnson
July 29, 2025 4:26 am

If your head wasn’t so far up your own arse, you might be able to see the news before making such an ignorant comment.

2hotel9
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
July 29, 2025 6:05 am

So, “climate change” causes arson. Got it.

Reply to  2hotel9
July 30, 2025 1:10 am

And arson only occurs during record warm temperatures. Got it.

2hotel9
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 30, 2025 3:17 am

It is called summer, happens every year, just like arson.

rtj1211
July 29, 2025 1:56 am

There’s absolutely nothing unusual about snow falling down to 2500m in the Alps, even in high summer. Nothing whatsoever. What is rarer is when it falls below 1500m (which has happened at least twice this century) and below 1000m (which happened overnight on 14/15th July 1981 – an event I witnessed in person as a 16 year old).

Yes, temperatures are lower than average, but that’s true in the Alps every single time the wind turns from the south (air from the warm Mediterranean/even the Sahara sometimes) to the north (air from the cold Baltic or even the Arctic regions). It’s entirely possible to see a 10-15C change in temperature just through a change in Wind direction – I saw this once in the winter in Switzerland going from +23C to -1C in the space of 24hrs in February 1990.

Tom Johnson
Reply to  rtj1211
July 29, 2025 4:36 am

You don’t seem to understand. When the temperature goes up, it’s caused by Catastrophic Global Warming, and the end is nigh.

When the temperature goes down, it’s simply random weather. That is hardly noteworthy and certainly not newsworthy.

Reply to  Tom Johnson
July 29, 2025 11:18 am

No, when the temperature goes down, it’s “Climate Change.” That way it’s a climate crisis no matter what happens.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  rtj1211
July 29, 2025 7:51 am

(which happened overnight on 14/15th July 1981 – an event I witnessed in person as a 16 year old).”

Wow! Someone here that’s actually younger than me!

Hartley
Reply to  rtj1211
July 29, 2025 2:08 pm

Hey, rtj1211 – I was on the Zugspitz 23 July 1977 and we got about .5M of snow up at 2700m (IIRC) Snowline was down below 1000M for at least a day.

July 29, 2025 2:18 am

Earlier this year, the usual suspects were putting out horror scenarios of a summer of heat and drought across Europe in 2025. 

UAH was one of ‘the usual suspects‘ highlighting the summer heat across Europe in 2025.

Europe-June-2025
leefor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 2:26 am

Nope. An anomaly is not a temperature. 😉
Where is the “predicted” 45C? It wasn’t a prediction but observation.

AlanJ
Reply to  leefor
July 29, 2025 10:17 am

The head post presents anomalies, without a whisper of complaint from the contrarian set.

Reply to  AlanJ
July 29, 2025 2:17 pm

You now recognize that there is a difference, mission accomplished! No need to constantly reinforce what you now know!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 4:52 am

Its called WEATHER…. and its not caused by human CO2.

Note all the totally normal white areas now the El Nino is subsiding.

2hotel9
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 29, 2025 6:07 am

So now you claim UAH causes arson. Okely Dokely.

Rod Evans
July 29, 2025 2:40 am

The lack of balanced reporting about weather, is simply another example of information control by the establishment.
When the truth and the data does not support the preferred narrative then the media remain complicit in propaganda by avoiding mention of the truth and the data.
We must continue to call them out, keep up the good work.

Marty
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 29, 2025 8:01 am

Have you noticed that on the network broadcast news, they’ve stopped reporting the actual temperatures and instead they now report what they call they “real feel” temperatures. So, for example, instead of saying the temperature is 91 degrees, which would be normal for the end of July, they report the “real feel” temperature will be 105 degrees. Last night they didn’t even bother to give the actual real temperatures. Got to scare the ignorant peasants.

Bruce Cobb
July 29, 2025 3:15 am

Rule #1: Weather is not climate, unless and until Climate Caterwaulers say it is.

July 29, 2025 4:43 am

I hope people realise that the -6ºC on the first chart is an anomaly, not the actual temperature.

If you follow the link just above it, the page title is..

“Home… 2m temperature: Weekly mean anomalies…Overview”

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Yooper
July 29, 2025 9:00 am

That is the bible for climate pragmatics.

July 29, 2025 5:32 am

I had a discussion with Gemini about this.
Apparently published and verified (raw) data and attribution models prove this is all down to man-made climate change.

Anyone know of an independent assessment of this data snd models

dk_
July 29, 2025 5:43 am

Summer snow at over 8000 feet altitude isn’t at all unusual, nor are forecasts of low temperattures. Gosselin engages in click bait yet again. The only shock is in the headline.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  dk_
July 29, 2025 6:18 am

Miss the point much? The whole idea, aside from it being an interesting weather story, is to mock the Alarmists, and show their hypocrisy. Unlike the Climate Caterwaulers, Climate Realists actually know the difference between weather and climate.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 29, 2025 3:00 pm

Why am I 100% sure your eyes are brown?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  dk_
July 29, 2025 9:02 am

Click bait? There are no ads on The NoTricksZone website.

Scissor
July 29, 2025 6:00 am

The humidity in Boulder today right now is about 400% greater than normal, and it’s not raining. Climate change can do anything.

2hotel9
July 29, 2025 6:10 am

Snow at altitude in high mountains is not news, it is just weather.

John the Econ
July 29, 2025 7:06 am

A generation ago, I was told by the smart people that kids today would not experience snow. Was I lied to?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  John the Econ
July 29, 2025 9:03 am

zing

Reply to  John the Econ
July 29, 2025 3:04 pm

It has been a years-long blizzard of lies.

July 29, 2025 7:32 am

This quote, taken from the London, UK, news website The Independent post of year 2000 (referenced at https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is/news-story/5a16c85680b7cc94f345240a727fb09d ) :

“According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become ‘a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren’t going to know what snow is’, he said.”

Errrrrr . . . winter in Earth’s northern hemisphere officially begins with the winter solstice, which typically occurs around December 21st or 22nd, and admittedly the report is for snowfall possibly “only” down to 2500 or so meters elevation; however, I do believe children can survive—even thrive—at such elevations . . . that is, unless I’ve been misinformed.
/sarc

What that saying? . . . The taller they are in hubris, the harder they fall . . . or something like that.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 29, 2025 9:25 am

Viner was talking about low level England.
Not globally and certainly not about kids who live above 2500m in the Alps (which is higher than the highest Ski resort there (Val Thorens France 2300m).

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 12:31 pm

“Viner was talking about low level England.”

Really? It’s amazing that you are so attuned to the details of what Dr. Viner meant by his brief statements back in 2000 . . . are you a twin, or perhaps just a mind-reader?
/sarc

FYI, the highest ski resort elevation in the Alps is 3,899 meters (12,795 feet), found at the Zermatt/Breuil-Cervinia/Valtournenche–Matterhorn ski area, which spans both Switzerland and Italy. To the best of my knowledge, that resort does not exclude “kids” from using its facilities.

Furthermore, looking at just the Alps within Switzerland, we have these ten highest ski resorts, all above 2,500 m elevation (there are more):
1. Matterhorn ski paradise: 3,899 metres
2. Saas-Fee: 3,573 metres
3. 4 Vallées: 3,330 metres
4. Corvatsch/Furtschellas: 3,303 metres
5. Hochsass-Saas-Grund: 3,142 metres
6. Belalp-Blatten: 3,118 metres
7. Lauchernalp-Lötschental: 3,111 metres
8. St. Moritz-Corviglia: 3,057 metres
9. Saint Luc/Chandolin: 3,025 metres
10. Engelberg-Titlis: 3,020 metres

Again, “kids” welcome at all.

P.S. So much for your statement “. . . not about kids who live above 2500m in the Alps (which is higher than the highest Ski resort there (Val Thorens France 2300m)” . . . the Alps extend beyond France.

P.P.S. Oh, also regarding your comment
“Viner was talking about low level England”,
this is just fun too much fun to let pass:
see the BBC article “Snow falls on England’s east coast beaches”, published 30 November 2017 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-42181673 ), with a nice photo therein of snow coating the roads and buildings bordering the ocean at the seaside town of Bridlington. Let’s see . . . yeah, 2017 would be around 17 years AFTER Viner’s off-the-wall prediction.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 29, 2025 12:58 pm

“FYI, the highest ski resort elevation in the Alps is 3,899 meters (12,795 feet), found at the Zermatt/Breuil-Cervinia/Valtournenche–Matterhorn ski area, which spans both Switzerland and Italy. To the best of my knowledge, that resort does not exclude “kids” from using its facilities.

I’ve skied at both places.

Val Thorens is a village …. you know, a “resort”, where people stay.
if you’d comprehended correctly instead of venting off because you saw my name (the pavlovian response expected here from someone or other).
The Zermatt height you quote is the top station – the highest cable car in the Alps from which you can ski down into Cervinia (at which I have had 3 ski trips and Val Thorens also 3 trips the last in 2020).

Your list – they are not resort heights (where people live in summer to be affected by snow) they are top stations
.
That is the point. Snow where there are no people (even kids) is not a problem.

No, on the contrary “So much for your statement(s)”.

“Val Thorens is the highest ski resort in Europe, situated at an altitude of 2,300 meters (7,546 feet) in the French Alps.”

https://www.onthesnow.co.uk/northern-alps/val-thorens/ski-resort

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 4:14 pm

“. . . you know, a “resort”, where people stay.

. . . Your list – they are not resort heights . . .”

(insert the joke here about the first rule being to stop digging)

From “The highest alpine mountain hotels in the Alps” (https://www.snowtrex.co.uk/magazine/ski-areas/alpine-mountain-hotels ),
just the first two listed, with my bold emphasis added:

Glacier Hotel Grawand (Italy)
• Place: Maso Corto in South Tyrol
• Altitude: 3,212 m
• Skiing area: Schnalstal Glacier
Three stars in the middle of the Schnalstal Glacier and the piste right on your doorstep – welcome to the Glacier Hotel Grawand in South Tyrol’s Schnals Valley. The hotel at 3,212 m is the highest alpine mountain hotel in Europe! In the morning you are guaranteed to be the first on the slopes and swing towards the sunrise on the freshly prepared pistes. Right next to the hotel is the mountain station of the Schnalstal Glacier Lift, which takes skiers from the valley resort of Kurzras to the ski area and hotel guests right to their front door until 4:30 pm. From the sun terrace of the Gipfelhotel Grawand you can enjoy a dream view over the Ötztal Alps . . .

Kulmhotel Gornergrat (Switzerland)
• Place: Zermatt
• Altitude: 3,100 m
• Ski region: Matterhorn ski paradise
The Kulmhotel Gornergrat above the prestigious ski resort is only a few metres lower than the Glacier Hotel Grawand and is the highest hotel in Switzerland. The Gornergrat cogwheel railway from Zermatt takes hotel guests up to the hotel entrance at 3,100 metres above sea level. When guests look out of the window of the comfortable rooms, all they see is glacier ice and rock, wisps of clouds and blue sky – and 29 four-thousand-metre peaks, including the famous Matterhorn. What a panorama! Here, however, not only the view is fascinating, but also the air is thin . . . you can spend a great holiday in a three-star hotel of a higher standard . . .

You know, “hotels”, where people can stay overnight or for continuous weeks if they wish.

As to your comment:

“if you’d comprehended correctly instead of venting off because you saw my name (the pavlovian response expected here from someone or other)”

just this in reply: ?

Finally, maybe the French have their own unique view of what makes up a “ski resort” such as Val Thorens. . . that would not surprise me in the least.

jvcstone
July 29, 2025 7:58 am

RUN, RUN –the glaciers are coming. Oh, sorry, that’s so 1970ish

Reply to  jvcstone
July 29, 2025 12:17 pm

Or 1670s

July 29, 2025 8:06 am

Global Temps Plummet!
Plummeting from a record high. Here’s the ERA data for July, along with a projection for July 2025 based on data up to 27th.

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Data Source: https://pulse.climate.copernicus.eu/

Temperatures have plummeted by about 0.3°C from the peak in 2023, but are still warmer than the previous records set in 2016 and 2019.

Robertvd
Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 8:57 am

And are still colder than when the ongoing Ice Age started some 2.6 million years ago.

Reply to  Robertvd
July 29, 2025 10:10 am

Which is also colder than most of Earth’s history (despite a brighter sun)…

Reply to  Robertvd
July 29, 2025 12:03 pm

“And are still colder than when the ongoing Ice Age started some 2.6 million years ago.”

When the global human population was zero.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 2:09 pm

And colder than basically all the last 10,000 years.

Humans civilisations thrived in these warmer temperatures

Only periods colder than now were the LIA and the period around 1979.

The LIA was a very difficult time for humans because crops etc were harder to grow.

But now with the extra CO2 and warmth, the whole planet is thriving and getting greener.

The slight warming since the frigid LIA, and the extra CO2, have been an absolutely blessing to all life on the planet.

Reply to  bnice2000
July 29, 2025 3:51 pm

Only periods colder than now were the LIA and the period around 1979.

The usual unsupported nonsense.

Global temperatures are way higher now than at any time within the past 2,000 years and, in fact, higher now than at any time since before the Bronze Age.

Bronze
Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 9:41 am

Temperatures have plummeted by about 0.3°C from the peak in 2023, but are still warmer than the previous records set in 2016 and 2019.

How does the cooling occur when CO2 is continually rising?

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 11:24 am

That’s the direct question that they always directly avoid.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 11:55 am

The same way it dies every time you ask that inane question – natural variation.

CO2 is causing a change to the equalibrium temperature. Other factors mean that some years will be warmer or cooler than the equalibrium. If one year or two is exceptionally warm it’s almost inevitable that the next year will be cooler.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 1:51 pm

CO2 is causing a change to the equalibrium temperature.”

Ah…. Bellboy’s little anti-science fantasy again

And he still cannot show any CO2 warming in the UAH data.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 2:04 pm

Other factors mean that some years will be warmer or cooler than the equalibrium.

But that means the radiative effects of CO2 are not constant nor are the GHG feedbacks. Hmmm? How come high temps are always caused by CO2 increases but cooling is not? How much of the ΔT increase is actually due to effects other than CO2? In other words, is +1.5°C only due to CO2?

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 2:33 pm

But that means the radiative effects of CO2 are not constant

No. It means you don’t understand what natural variability means.

How come high temps are always caused by CO2 increases

They’re not. No wonder you are so confused if you think only CO2 can cause warming.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 6:34 pm

You didn’t answer the question. If you can’t answer it, just say so.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 29, 2025 7:23 pm

What question? You seem to think that constantly rising CLO2 means every year has to be warmer than the previous one. I point out that this is not true because some years are warmer due to non CO2 factors, such as El Niños, and other years are cooler due to non CO2 factors, such as La Niños and volcanoes. It’s natural that when you have an unusually warm year, the next one will be cooler.

If you are talking about your ΔT nonsense, then I can’t be bothered to explain it to you unless you actually explain what you think ΔT means. Are you talking about the change from one year to the next, one month to the next, or what. Again it seems to be your delusion, along with others here, that global temperature is a random walk, where each new temperature becomes the base line for the next.

If you want to know who much the earth would have warmed or cooled with no change in CO2, then I can’t help you. You would have to look at all other factors and identify which have had a permanent affect over the last century or so – and which were feedbacks from the CO2 caused warming.

Your premise is wrong to start with though as the world has not warmed by 1.5°C over pre-industrial.

Reply to  Bellman
July 30, 2025 5:27 am

Your premise is wrong to start with though as the world has not warmed by 1.5°C over pre-industrial.

Doesn’t matter if it is 1.2 or 1.8, the point is that CO2 is not the only variable in the equation. The attribution of CO2 to a temperature rise is what is important. There is no way to prove the part of any warming by CO2 is 10% or 90%. Clouds, aerosols, sun, any number of factors are important and net zero as a policy is asinine without direct evidence.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 30, 2025 6:30 pm

The attribution of CO2 to a temperature rise is what is important.

If only people had been studying this for the last 50 years, and there was some sort of publication summarizing it every few years.

Here’s the summary from AR6: A.1.2:

The likely range of total human-caused global surface temperature increase from 1850–1900 to 2010–20197 is 0.8°C to 1.3°C, with a best estimate of 1.07°C. Over this period, it is likely that well-mixed greenhouse gases (GHGs) contributed a warming of 1.0°C to 2.0°C, and other human drivers (principally aerosols) contributed a cooling of 0.0°C to 0.8°C, natural (solar and volcanic) drivers changed global surface temperature by –0.1°C to +0.1°C, and internal variability changed it by –0.2°C to +0.2°C. 

With a footnote

Contributions from emissions to the 2010–2019 warming relative to 1850–1900 assessed from radiative forcing studies are: CO2 0.8 [0.5 to 1.2]°C; methane 0.5 [0.3 to 0.8]°C; nitrous oxide 0.1 [0.0 to 0.2]°C and fluorinated gases 0.1 [0.0 to 0.2]°C.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 2:10 pm

” If one year or two is exceptionally warm it’s almost inevitable that the next year will be cooler.”

You mean there is natural cooling from a natural El Nino event in a period of increase absorbed solar radiation.

Now.. still waiting for any evidence of human causation.

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 4:16 pm

There is no equilibrium temperature. How can CO2 change something that doesn’t exist?

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 1:58 pm

Anyone that produces a “Global” temperature series when most of the southern oceans were a pure guess, “just made up” until ARGO, is joking them selves.

Strange that none of the alarmist fakeries match data from around the world that show the 1930,40’s period was similar or warmer to the start of the 2000’s

We all know what the NH temps look like, and the USA but here’s one from South America

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Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 1:59 pm

And from South Africa…

1940s-South-African-temps
Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 2:01 pm

And from Brazil …… oops.. image didn’t attach)

Reply to  Bellman
July 29, 2025 2:03 pm

And from Brazil same 1930,40 warm period

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Reply to  Bellman
July 30, 2025 12:52 am

That ERA5 chart posted by Bellman shows further long-term warming for July globally, despite the July 2025 value, even assuming it stays where it currently is.

Assuming an anomaly* value of +0.44C in July (which is what it is, as of July 27), then the rate of warming for July in the ERA5 data, which starts in 1940, increases fractionally, from +0.128C/dec by July 2024 to +0.129C/dec in July 2025.

This is admittedly a small increase in the long-term warming rate for July, but it puts the claims of “plummeting temperatures” based on a single year’s value into perspective.

*ERA5 publishes anomalies as well as average Deg. C. I used the anomalies whereas Bellman has used average Deg. C. This does not affect the trends quoted. Data are available from the link provided by Bellman (not that many of you will check).

Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 9:40 am

Finland has been hot this last 2 weeks ….

“Finland breaks all-time heat streak record with 15th consecutive day hitting 30°C”

“The previous record was already broken on Friday with 14 consecutive days above 30 degrees — surpassing the 1972 record of 13 days, which had stood since data collection began in 1961.”

The heatwave is expected to continue in the coming days, Lohtander said.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20174491

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 11:26 am

86°F…OMG, IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD! I would love to see the daily high get down to 86°F in my neck of the world. Maybe by the end of the week…

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 11:30 am

So the previous record was over 50 years ago. So it’s happened before, and right during the last “here comes the new Ice Age” scare. Got it.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 2:13 pm

Are Finland’s weather sites as hopelessly corrupted as the incompetent clowns of the Met Office have allowed the UK sites to degenerate to ?

Spectr
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 29, 2025 9:08 pm

Gee I wonder what happens to those records if we send the current Finland back in time.

July 29, 2025 10:24 am

Just looking at the atmospheric blocking maps for the next two weeks, and it looks like a big, fairly strong area of low pressure is going to be parked right over Greenland. No doubt there will be some summertime addition to the island’s ice mass.