Evidence continues to mount that the UK Met Office is chasing ‘hottest evah’ temperature extremes by deliberately siting new measuring stations in locations likely to be affected by heat spikes and unnaturally warmed ambient air. In the last 10 years to the middle of 2024, 81.5% of new sites were junk Class 4 and 5 operations with potential internationally-recognised errors up to 2°C and 5°C respectively. Incredibly, eight of the 13 newly-opened sites over the last five years were of junk status. Now comes news of a new site recently opened in Wales at Whitesands that in the words of citizen super sleuth Ray Sanders, “appears to be a deliberate attempt to produce artificially elevated readings both now and ever increasingly in the future”.
It’s so bad, it beggars belief that it has been added to the official list of Met Office recording sites. For starters, it is a manual operation suggesting amateur involvement with all the human errors that might entail. Sanders, who is undertaking a scientific study of all 380 plus Met Office sites, notes that from the start date in May 2024, almost half the days had no record until the end of the year. But much worse is to be found in an examination of the actual siting. Its location on sand and sandy soils is hardly ideal since they absorb and release heat more readily than clay, loam or topsoil. This creates a microclimate that can skew temperature in the immediate vicinity.
Whitesands is a camping site on Welsh sand dunes. The Stevenson screen is next to a road with a 5mph speed limit, reports Sanders, meaning that slow moving traffic such as motor homes and camper vans may pass by. According to Met Office guidelines, an undesirable site is one where there is sheltering or shading effects of trees on the measurements. The image above is from November 2024 and the structure behind the screen is a guard designed to protect newly planted saplings from animals. Sanders observes that the hedge is to the northern plus eastern and seaward elevation of the screen, which will shield it from cooling night time breezes but retain warmer onshore breezes. Was this all invisible to the Met Office inspectors – did they not know about the requirements, he asks. Previous photographic evidence shows the structure was there before the screen arrived.
The Met Office is its own worst enemy. It is over a year since the Daily Sceptic revealed that almost 80% of its 380-plus stations across the UK were in the junk classes 4 and 5. It appears to have done nothing to correct the situation and the example of Whitesands can only raise further suspicions about its motives. The science writer Matt Ridley recently wrote in the Telegraph that it has been “embarrassingly duped by activists”. The need for ever higher temperatures to promote the failing Net Zero fantasy is only too evident. The Met Office is a public body so one cannot discount the effects of unaccountable stupidity, idleness and self-important arrogance, but it is worrying sign for a science organisation that more damning conspiratorial theories are rapidly spreading across social media. Past frequent posters on X such as the Head of Climate Impacts Professor Richard Betts rarely make a contribution these days, while Met Office statements are frequently greeted with robust and critical replies.
Sanders challenges any meteorologist to prove that these extremely poor sites deployed now and in the future are not intended to be used to corrupt the ongoing historic climate records. A disinterested party might suggest from impartial evidence presented to him that the “Met Office is using data of dubious accuracy from recently-installed low-grade sites with known artificially elevated readings to produce evidence on temperatures increases over time”.
Again, the Met Office is its own worst enemy. Sanders is engaged in a serious scientific study and is critically examining temperature figures that play a vital role in persuading populations around the world that a so-called climate crisis requires a drastic Net Zero political solution. But of course, not all are on board with such an investigative project – looking at you BBC and the rest of the legacy media. After all, if there’s no climate crisis, there’s no need for the fantasy Net Zero solution. ‘Hottest evah’ outliers may be useful for short-term squawking headlines. But to show the kind of long-term warming that can drive an alarmist political narrative, historical records and climate averages are required. The Met Office seems all too keen to oblige.
As regular readers will know, Sanders recently discovered that the Met Office was still running records from 103 non-existent stations by inventing or estimating data from what were subsequently described as “well-correlated neighbouring stations”. Examination of publicly available Met Office records shows that stations identified as near to the non-existent sites often don’t exist. Alas, a number of Freedom of Information requests from Sanders seeking the identity of some of these “well-correlated neighbouring sites” – a simple matter it might be thought of asking to see the proof behind the Met Office’s claims – were met with the claim that the requests were “vexatious” and the public interest was not served by responding to them.
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“Legacy Media” If you insist on using the self congratulating terminology that the left-wing media churns out to keep the scam going, for God’s sake at least put it in quotes.
If “Compliant” stations are uncompliant at promoting the narrative then more “Uncompliant” stations are necessary to be Compliant with the narrative.
The legacy of dishonesty and bias has led to a state where most people don’t trust them at all. It is hardly a term to be proud of.
“Legacy” and “media” are both standard English words that have definitions available online and in old books. The author appears to be using them correctly.
“The term “legacy” generally refers to something of value passed down from a previous generation or era”
“The term “media” generally refers to the channels of communication used to disseminate information to a large audience.”
Where’s the problem?
“Legacy” as an adjective has the connotation of old-fashioned, past its use-by date. I use it all the time to refer to ridiculous government actions. Even when used as a noun, as in “his legacy”, it has the connotation of being past history, relying on reputation rather than one’s current accomplishments. Discussing Led Zeppelin’s legacy doesn’t mean it’s a bad legacy, but it does mean it’s old and not going to get any better.
“and not going to get any better” invites a debate in which both you and the author take a glass-half-empty position. Since nobody is scoring this one, please consider – maybe print and television media could get better. I’m not saying it _will_, just that it _could_. I think the change would have to involve US liberal arts education if an improvement were to happen in the English language.
“The term “legacy” generally refers to something of value passed down from a previous generation or era”
Ok. Good definition.
It raises the question of, what of value have those organizations passed down to recent times that is something of value? In my opinion, propaganda, unbalanced/biased reporting, advocacy journalism (opinions published as news), politicization of issues with bias, etc. are not of value.
Or better, use the term “misleadia”
Suspicions Mount as Met Office Continues to… double down on its blatant dishonesty.
And should you dare to question their probity… you are being vexatious at best; utterly evil at worst.
“Weather stations are found throughout the UK, providing valuable data to our meteorologists.
Consistency of measurements is vital across the network, both for informing our forecasts and for the long-term weather and climate records of the UK.
To ensure consistency of measurements in the records, weather stations must meet strict criteria, in alignment with meteorological organisations across the world.
https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/learn-about/met-office-for-schools/other-content/other-resources/how-to-measure-the-weather
Or….
“We invent data where necessary to help meteorologists come up with alarming extreme weather etc projections.
Extrapolating – or in plain English, inventing – the data is vital across the network for modelling and attributing the blame to the developed world.
To ensure consistency of measurements in the records, weather stations must meet strict criteria, but we don’t give a toss about that.
O/T Green Jobs
Twice as Many People Work in Environment ‘Charities’ Than in Wind Power Generation: ONS Report Reveals Shocking Truth About UK’s ‘Green Jobs’
the shockingly small number of genuinely green jobs that are currently present in the British economy
https://dailysceptic.org/2025/07/24/twice-as-many-people-work-in-environment-charities-than-in-wind-power-generation-ons-report-reveals-truth-about-uks-green-jobs/
(Pretending for a moment that green industries are a good thing…) We want the number working in green jobs (such as windpowered electricity generation) to be low. A large headcount means a large payroll which means a large bill for consumers.
It boils my wee when I hear the government actually boasting about the number of new green jobs they intend to create.
All those solar panels won’t wash themselves.
Here in the US our prior president Biden touted those solar panel cleaners as “high tech, good paying green jobs”. Lol
The Wall Street Journal has reported that the average “green’ job yearly salary was in the $45-50,000 range while the Oil/Gas industry was $75-85,000 range.
And IIRC, WUWT’s David Middleton has reminded us that O/G employees actually produce the lion’s share of our energy, unlike the wind/solar boondoggles..
“the number of new green jobs they intend to create.”
But never do. Just like our electricity bills will come down by £300.
And go up £600
Worse than that – those “green jobs” destroy REAL jobs at a rate of three real jobs for each worse-than-useless “green job” which they “create.” Just ask Portugal.
Only in the warped alt-universe of government bureaucrats is employing more people to produce the same product less effectively, less reliably and at a higher cost something to be proud of.
Silly Sanders. FOI requests only apply according to what you plan on doing with that information. Their game, their rules.
You have the right to ask to see recorded information held by public authorities.
https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request
I don’t think he is being silly at all.
““vexatious” could be defined as the:
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/foi/freedom-of-information-and-environmental-information-regulations/section-14-dealing-with-vexatious-requests/what-does-vexatious-mean/
The Met Office is on thin ice.
Thursday What?!
My local council – Wandsworth, SW London – went Labour in 2022 and they have a novel wheeze for reducing the borough’s emissions, and we lucky residents get to cough up for it…
“Labour-run Wandsworth Borough Council is now offering 50% off e-bike rentals to asylum seekers. Courtesy of the taxpayer…
…
Labour Council Leader Simon Hogg said this is “about opening up affordable, sustainable travel that helps our residents to access work and entertainment opportunities across the borough. We’re proud that Lime, Forest and Voi have agreed to join Access for All and to operate respectfully and safely. We are making sure that no one is priced out of healthy and sustainable travel.” Bad luck if you’re not an asylum seeker or PIP claimant – you can pay for it in your council tax bill, though…
https://order-order.com/2025/07/24/exc-london-borough-offers-half-price-lime-bike-rides-to-asylum-seekers/
Me? I’m waiting to see just how painful the Autumn tax rises will be.
They have agreed “to operate respectfully and safely”?
One suspects the words “respectfully” and “safely” must have special meaning in the mouth of Mr Hogg—a meaning most of us probably can’t even guess.
We must pay an annual fee to park the car outside our house. ~£190. Under the Labour administration the price carries on going up, only they have given up on having traffic wardens checking. This I attribute to the electric charging points installed on lamp posts. A vehicle without a permit charging up is still illegally parked. And to begin with they got a ticket and then it stopped.
So now anyone can park outside free.
And never to be seen again except maybe on ebay.
At least it saves the “asylum seekers” money to spend on gambling
“Labour-run Wandsworth Borough Council is now offering 50% off e-bike rentals to asylum seekers. Courtesy of the taxpayer…”
They misspelled “freeloaders”.
Last weekend was a date set in our family calendar for a large party get together. A BBQ catering session at our country woodland site with picnic lawn and permanent BBQ range. Camping by half a dozen families was also on the agenda allowing for a day long relax of food and drink with friends and no driving.
The Met office and the BBC were showing on their week before forecasts dire wall to wall rain after what has been a beautiful summer thus far. The forecasts were watched every day for the preceding week to the proposed get together. People were travelling up from the south coast to our midlands location anxious about the doom and gloom carried relentlessly by the media. Terrible thunder storms, relentless rain and potential winds, that was what they said were coming through. Forecasts made using their best computer simulations and known weather patterns….
A decision had to be taken.
Do we run the show or not? My wife was full of concern, friends were constantly seeking advice whether to travel. I even constructed a temporary cover over the BBQ and erected the necessary gazebos and made the decision.
We would run the show.
Fifty guests arrived and the Saturday event was blessed with absolutely perfect conditions. No rain no high winds. Drinks and dancing round the camp fire in the evening a perfect day. Children running through the woods and adults chewing the fat and drinking the real ales wines Pimms and whatever.
The Met Office and the BBC are employed to provide accurate weather/broadcasting services hopefully to inform their customers and audience, thus enabling educated decisions to be made.
Had we followed their advice we would have cancelled a perfect event for nothing. Well nothing other than wall to wall disappointment all round.
The truth will out. I am not sure the Met Office or the BBC have a clue what that is.
“what has been a beautiful summer thus far.”
Is in fact a hell on Earth according to climate scientists and modellers alike:
“It is estimated that the June-July 2025 heatwave in London will have resulted in around 260 heat-related deaths. Of these around 170, or 65%, can be attributed to climate change, meaning the death toll was tripled due to climate change.”
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/health/uk-and-european-heatwave-2025.php
Well, they believe that nonsense.
“My wife was full of concern, friends were constantly seeking advice whether to travel.”
Precisely as intended. Job Done.
Yellow thunderstorm warnings have been issued for parts of south west England – Met Office
Met Office warns Brits in 3 areas to prepare ’emergency’ kit
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/met-office-weather-warning-thunderstorms-35605959
We’ve had nothing out of the ordinary since 1987 but everyone is panicking – as per the narrative. Pass the popcorn.
Panicking Sheeple are far less likely to seek the truth and far more likely to follow other Panicky Sheeple wherever the Wolf in shepherds clothing is leading them
“The Met Office and the BBC are employed to provide accurate weather/broadcasting services hopefully to inform their customers and audience, thus enabling educated decisions to be made.
Had we followed their advice we would have cancelled a perfect event for nothing. ”
The BBC do not get their forecasts from the MetO.
They come from Metogroup.
They use the same modeling..
They don’t.
There is the MetO NWP model, the GFS model and the ECMF model.
The BBC use either the EC or the GFS and also their and their own in-house developed dynamic-static forecast model (MOS).
I don’t understand why people are down-voting Anthony’s perfectly correct observations. The Met Office lost their contract to provide the BBC with forecasts about ten years ago.
Thanks, but it’s to be expected.
Statements from those in the know of stuff on the climate science here are ridiculed reflexively even if they are read.
Just the name of the poster will trigger a Pavlovian response.
“ in-house developed dynamic-static forecast model (MOS).”
Developed in house by BBC…. can’t stop roflmao !!
Can always rely on you to get it wrong.
Developed by Meteogroup.
You know, the company the Beeb get their weather info from !!!
There – one more exclamation mark than you , because we know they signify a “win”.
““The Met Office and the BBC are employed to…”
Purvey propaganda. And that’s exactly what they do. Can you explain 103 non-existent MO weather stations? The MO
can’twon’tYes, and I have several times here.
They are virtual only ….
“These maps enable you to view maps of monthly, seasonal and annual averages for the UK. The maps are based on the 1km resolution HadUK-Grid dataset derived from station data.
*Locations displayed in this map may not be those from which observations are made. Data will be displayed from the closest available climate station, which may be a short distance from the chosen location. We are working to improve the visualisation of data as part of this map.
Where stations are currently closed in this dataset, well-correlated observations from other nearby stations are used to help inform latest long-term average figures in order to preserve the long-term usability of the data. Similar peer-reviewed scientific methods are used by meteorological organisations around the world to maintain the continuity of long-term datasets. ”
The data is not for investigating climate or to provide exactitude to any casually interested party.
It’s for people who would like to know as close as is possible what the weather was on a particular day at a particulay location and NOT to insert into a global climate GMST series (as if it would make any difference even so).
This place seems to think that the MetO is there purely to provide 101% verifiable data for the likes of Homewood/Morrison as if they are in any way important.
The MetO and their employees have to excuse their deliberate incompetence somehow.
The whole point is that the sites that they are deriving data from are totally unfit for purpose… so anything derived from them is also JUNK.
” well-correlated observations from other nearby stations are used to help inform latest long-term average figures in order to preserve the long-term usability of the data.” So why does the Met Office refuse to name those well correlated stations?
“The Met office and the BBC”
Not clear the point of your post.
In answer to Rod Evans’
“The Met office and the BBC were showing on their week before forecasts dire wall to wall rain after what has been a beautiful summer thus far. The forecasts were watched every day for the preceding week to the proposed get together.”
“Fifty guests arrived and the Saturday event was blessed with absolutely perfect conditions.”
RE: “The forecasts were watched “
Watched as in the BBC …. that is Meteogroup NOT the MetO.
For what it is worth, you will have noticed I separated the Met Office and the BBC naming both in order to show their individual identities.
I am aware the two organisations have their own weather sourcing and reporting.
They were both wrong which was the point of my post.
So where did you get the MetO’s forcasts from?
You can access it every day on YouTube.
The BBC do not get their forecasts from the MetO.
Understood.
Except he did not say he only watched one channel.
The Met office and the BBC were showing on their week before forecasts dire wall to wall rain after what has been a beautiful summer thus far.
He used forecasts, plural, which could mean he actually watched both. For a large gathering, it would be sensible to do so.
He didn’t say anything about where the BBC got its information from just that the Met and the BBC were both showing dire forecasts for the date. Oh and by the way it is Meteogroup
“Oh and by the way it is Meteogroup”
As I said/spelled
“… that is Meteogroup NOT the MetO.”
GB News take weather from the met office, and directly after the 3rd-heatwave-that-wasn’t there were amber alerts, yellow warnings for doom and disaster, flood and tempest for this week. In my little part of the country we have had 3 showers (2 just today!) that haven’t lasted more than an hour and nothing out of the ordinary for a British summer. Yes, that’s not the whole country, but I’ve not heard any reports of inundation from anywhere else either. Just a few days ago the boss of Thames water was blaming excess rain for sewage runoff into the rivers and wailing about climate change. Last year I had a letter from them telling me I had to have my water metered because the country is getting drier. Guess who backed up both claims. We are being gaslit about the climate, and the met office know exactly what they’re doing.
Get over it.
Forecasts aren’t tablets of stone from Mt Sinai.
And picking out regional variations in such a synoptic situation is problematic … as I eplained.
“In my little part of the country we have had 3 showers (2 just today!) that haven’t lasted more than an hour and nothing out of the ordinary for a British summer. “
Well good for you.
You were lucky.
Others weren’t and the issue of warnings is made on severity (in this case) and not on being widespread and over your garden.
Why should he get over it? It is providing you with constant attention grabbing opportunities.
“They come from Metogroup.”
Where are their weather sites located.. are they even worse than Met Office ones ??
They don’t have any.
That is the MetO’s remit.
And whever they are peeps here are going to winge about them.
I am certainly glad we quashed this gnat. Flattened that sucker and wasted how much time, how many watts, and those poor electrons in the process.
A shame this was much ado about nothing.
In fairness to the Met Office, they cannot predict summer downpours. They estimate likelyhood..but they hype up/ dramatise it to such a degree that creates the image of certainty by the public. If and when those downpours occur they are likely short and very local and have to be estimated very close to the location in a short timeframe. And even then they are hit and miss.The MO can always hide behind the forecast being what it is: an estimation of weather within a certain timeframe using a model ensemble.
Your mistake is to see the forecasts as a high certainty model. Summer rain/ downpours are highly local, variable and uncertain.
“but they hype up/ dramatise it to such a degree that creates the image of certainty by the public.”
“They” being the BBC/ITV weather presenters and not the MetO.
It’s what the media want.
Why they do it (TV employ them and not the MetO)
To the MetO it’s just anothr day’s weather
BTW you are correct advected supercells on a S’ly from France often come in “clumps” and some areas will miss them entirely.
What planet are you on? Just go here to see the absolute crap the Met Office endlessly posts. https://x.com/metoffice?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I play golf three times a week. and I hate playing in the rain, but if we listened to the weather forecast, warming of Heavy rain, strong winds and thunder storms we would probably only play once a week over the past few years. This year it has been very dry, but we still get forecasts for heavy rain and thunder. I cant remember the last time we had a thunderstorm.
We had one around my way a couple of days ago. Completely unpredicted, came out of nowhere, when we were forecast to have a mix of sunshine and light showers.
It is obvious that the UK Met Office never heard—or alternatively never bothered to understand—the old adage: “When you find you’re digging yourself in a hole already over your head, the first rule is to stop digging.”
Take one station. Extrapolate several nearby stations. From those stations, extrpolate several more sttions.
Before you know it, you will have the entire planet extrapolated from a single weather station.
Imagine the savings in maintenance.
Then use models to tell you what your single station should be reading, and you can get rid of it as well.
Eventually fiddling reaches a limit, becomes a fixed offset and disappears as a trend.
“The screen is on the corner of a roadway where slow moving vehicles (such as motorhomes or SUV’s towing caravans et alia) are moving around the corner and tripping the PRT into a reading spike.”
No, if it’s an amateur site the max reading will be made via a max (mercury) thermometer.
And a min reading by a min (alcohol) thermometer.
No PRTs are used.
Also it is not a “roadway”.
It is not tarmaced and has very occasional usage.
This is the UK, a compact crowded country.
Not the Outback or Texas.
A site needs to be put where it can be accessed easily from the observers home.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.894936,-5.28543,102m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-GB&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcyMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Exactly why the UK is a poster child for demonstrating that the Urban Heat Island effect is neither small nor localized,
It is nothing of the sort as the USCRN in the US shows when compared with the USHCN ….
OMG this again !!
Climdiv is homogenised to match “pristine stations” on a regional basis…
It has the effects of urban warming removed…. (as well as their algorithm allows)
You have a simple view of the doings of the world.
If you don’t like what something means – its a fraud.
Reducing the complications of the world to conspiracy theory.
Past employees are mostly responsible for the total MESS that the UK Met weather sites have become.
Incompetence.. or deliberate. !!!
You have it (apology) … however I take exception to your pejoritive.
Not the response of an adult.
So an apology would likewise be appreciated by myself for that in reciprocation.
“In the last 10 years to the middle of 2024, 81.5% of new sites were junk Class 4 and 5 operations with potential internationally-recognised errors up to 2°C and 5°C respectively.
And onto the myth of the MetO’s Observation siting ….. again.
As I’ve said several times here – that is largely unavoidable due to the UK’s geography and overcrowded, over-farmed nature.
Sorry we cant be moved.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/how-forecasts-are-made/observations/observation-site-classification
“WMO Siting Classifications were designed with reference to a wide range of global environments and the higher classes can be difficult to achieve in the more-densely populated and higher latitude UK. For example, the criteria for a Class 1 rating for temperature suits wide open flat areas with little or no human influenced land use and high amounts of continuous sunshine reaching the screen all year around, however, these conditions are relatively rare in the UK. Mid and higher latitude sites will, additionally, receive more shading from low sun angles than some other stations globally, so shading will most commonly result in a higher CIMO classification – most Stevenson Screens in the UK are class 3 or 4 for temperature as a result but continue to produce valid high-quality data. WMO guidance does, in fact, not preclude use of Class 5 temperature sites – the WMO classification simply informs the data user of the geographical scale of a site’s representativity of the surrounding environment – the smaller the siting class, the higher the representativeness of the measurement for a wide area……”
The myth is pervasive because the lie is told often and convincingly on forums like this one. Just look at the inclusion of the weasel-word “junk” always appended to the phrase “class 4-5 stations.”
Yep, and another never to be forgotten fave myth is the “3 Typhoons”.
Which were apparantly plaguing the stevenson screen at RAF Coningsby for 3 hours (no less) on the 19th July 2022 resulting in the UK record high of 40.2C.
This as the temp trace shows a remarkably steady trace around 40C for self same 3 hours.
Idiot yourself Mr Sanders.
(try Googling the many previous posts on here promoting the ridiculous “3 Typhoons landing” myth).
I’ve posted this there ….
OK My pleasure.
No comback other than insult.
But thanks anyway as you have revealed your true nature by that and fail as a result.
BTW:
PRTs are not new they were in use at RAF airfields in the 70’s.
My first station was RAF Binbrook with Lightning sqds 5 and 11,
where I first used one in 1974.
That is because they all are junk. Have a read of all 301 of my reports so far
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/author/raymsanders1956/
Junk data (and fake and manipulated) is what the whole climate scam is built on.
I don’t want to disparage your effort, because clearly you’ve spent an inordinate part of your life on this mission, but your reports don’t seem to actually differ much or really offer anything at all beyond the official site classifications, save your breathless editorializing.
Well very obviously you have not read any of them then if that is the conclusion you draw. Try reading them, there are 302 so far.
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/author/raymsanders1956/
I read more than was necessary unfortunately. If this is work you think is important and meaningful, you should prepare a manuscript for journal publication.
https://science.feedback.org/review/no-the-uk-met-office-is-not-fabricating-climate-data-contrary-to-a-bloggers-claims/
I looked at their list of partners.
They say the right words, but it is unclear if the words they say are right.
I also read some of their other articles, which do not pass the smell test.
Err, no.
Experts in the field …. which, I would hazard a guess, you reject …. as incompetent, maybe?
“Climate Feedback (CF) is a web-based content annotation tool that allows qualified scientists to comment on stories online, adding context and noting inaccuracies.[1][2] It is one of three websites under the Science Feedback parent organization that fact-checks media coverage. Science Feedback is a non-profit organization registered in France.[3]
The CF website asks climate scientists in relevant fields to assess the credibility and accuracy of media stories related to climate change.[2][4] The website published its first review in 2015.[4] The website was founded by Emmanuel Vincent, who has a PhD in Oceanography & Climate from Université Pierre et Marie Curie.[5] Vincent partnered with the non-profit Hypothes.is, who created a free web browser plug-in that allows users to make sentence-level comments on web pages, to create an evaluation of content. Climate Feedback, an application of the Hypothes.is platform to climate science communication, allows active climate scientists to add comments.[6]
Did you mean –
allows
activeactivist “climate scientists” to add comments?
And this place that Mr Sanders comes to allows active contrarians to comment.
Always the politics.
People who are experts in a subject are overwhelming right.
You didn’t go to College/Uni to be taught by some layman dragged in from the street.
For good reason …. In a sane world.
You have not the remotest idea of my qualifications.
Ray, you are a classic example someone who doesn’t apply common sense added to an ideologically derived conspiratorial complex.
The MetO has observation station at places that need them (historically) and places that need volunteers to man them and places where there can be access.
This example disparaged by Morrison is an example perfectly good siting.
Which will be entirely unaffected by the odd passing motor home or caravan monastic the acres of greenery.
The point is just as the the MetO says…..
”the criteria for a Class 1 rating for temperature suits wide open flat areas with little or no human influenced land use and high amounts of continuous sunshine reaching the screen all year around, however, these conditions are relatively rare in the UK. Mid and higher latitude sites will, additionally, receive more shading from low sun angles than some other stations globally, so shading will most commonly result in a higher CIMO classification – most Stevenson Screens in the UK are class 3 or 4 for temperature as a result.
You’re welcome.
Oh, and sorry about the missing – 0.1C. My bad.
This retired State employee was befuddled by the choice of temps of stations that day that recorded near 40C (40 being 1.3C higher than the previous highest recorded at Cambridge Uni Botanical gardens) ….. but didn’t have RAF Typhoons landing next to them continuously for 3 hours.
Can’t take you seriously when all you do is curse at people. Be an adult.
He’s obviously not.
And thanks, as I’ve said, he’s disqualified himself by it.
If you cant converse politely whilst disagreeing then …..
You just come off as petty and spiteful. Again, be an adult.
More perjorative – how sophisticated of you Mr Sanders
Horses for courses.
There are ideologically driven people in all professions.
The fact that they are in a minority in the MetO will not be evidenced by those attracted to this site and your Blog.
Try writing and publishing a paper and have it reviewed on Pubpeer and then respond to comments there …. Politely.
Without displaying your bruised ego nastily.
Only one temp station for the entire planet is needed – it should of course be located on Pitcairn Island-measure CO2 there also.
“After all, if there’s no climate crisis, there’s no need for the fantasy Net Zero solution.”
Said a British notable around 1770 (paraphrased), ‘If there are no witches, there’s no devil. If there’s no devil, there’s no original sin. If there’s no original sin, there’s no need for redemption. If there’s no need for redemption, then Christ had no mission and is not our savior. If Christ is not our savior, then there’s no route to heaven.’
Climate crisis and Net Zero: same mythological clutch in a modern suit.
Stevenson screens are naturally ventilated. Establishing a new site with that screen is a guarantee that the temperature measurements will be inaccurate.
Continued use of naturally ventilated Stevenson screens is meteorological irresponsibility.
Furthermore, if the sensor is a PRT with a 1 sec response time, inaccuracy will be maximized by the invariable transient heat spike recorded as a daily maximum.
I agree with the Stevenson screen issue. However the UK Met Office uses 1 minute averaging and their PRT response times are detailed here
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2025/06/28/lentran-dcnn0579-more-on-the-issues-of-distorted-sites-and-instrumentation-shortcomings/
Thanks,Ray, I stand corrected. But note that a short PRT transient will nevertheless be included in a 1 minute mean.
More pejoritive, are you on piece rates?
There is a simple solution to this. The Met is clearly not following its own guidelines therefore it is not doing the task it was assigned to. Give the Met 72 hours to stop using class four and five stations and non existent stations. Non compliance will result in the immediate firing of the top twenty Met managers. We will give their replacements 72 hours to comply or the same will happen to them.
Lying and cheating is not okay, everybody knows that.
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Ah, Blessums
Oh, and Mr Sanders, just what am I incompetent at exactly?
Being a 32 year employee of the UKMO with service at several RAF airfields as both weather observer and forecaster?
I have admitted my error with the prts.
Anything else?
Apart from my competence in the subject (admittedly 19 years out of date) I have merely quoted the MetO.
That you hate that organisation is a given BTW.
“You are a charlatan who knows sweet fuck all in reality”
You really are a POW (piece of work) aren’t you. (Rhetorical).
As I expected with that reply, you have no integrity.
As you know from my previous encounter with you re Stornaway, and as I’ve said here. I briefed RAF aircrew for low flying exercises and local weather on a number of airbases. They include RAF Cranwell, RAF Valley and RAF Linton-on-Ouse.
Far from being a “meter reader”.
It involves an education in meteorology before one can stand up in front of 50 RAF aircrew and brief them on the coming day’s weather, whilst flying their Hawks at low level through the Welsh valleys.
The PRT error was gained from a MetO webpage that was obviously out of date and I retired in 2006.
The rest of your so called “discrediting” comes from quotes from the MetO.
Actually on re-examination my misinformation came from Google AI ….
“No, Met Office amateur observers typically do not use platinum resistance thermometers (PRTs). While the Met Office uses PRTs at synoptic and supplementary stations with automatic systems, these are more sophisticated and require specialized maintenance and calibration. Amateur observers generally use simpler, more common thermometers, such as digital or alcohol thermometers”
I’ll be minded of Google’s AI in future.
And hows about you calm down and develop some manners.
Further to my carrer in the UKMO here are 2 pics.
I am one of these attending the MEt defence course after completing my Forecasting course ….
And here doing a radio b/c on Radio Lincolnshire whilst representing the Meto at the Lincolnshire show (at that time I worked and the Birmingham weather Centre.
One more time ..(different pic)
https://ibb.co/Dgm8JWx6