The Seventh Carbon Budget

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

The Seventh Carbon Budget, covering the period 2038 to 2042, has been well covered by the media, so you are probably aware of the major recommendations. By 2040 we must:Cut GHG emissions by 75% from current levelsHave three quarters of cars on the road  electricDrive lessMake half of homes have a heat pump, meaning effectively a total ban on gas boilers by 2035Reduce consumption of meat and dairy by a quarter.Put Potential limits on flying

And we are all supposed to do this while the rest of the world does nothing!

But the issue of costs has barely rated a mention in the pro-Net Zero media.

The BBC, for instance, merely repeats Emma Pinchbeck’s lies:

The costs of tackling climate change have become highly politicised in recent years.

The CCC estimates most of the expense will be borne by the private sector and calculates the savings from moving to more efficient technologies should outweigh costs by the early 2040s.

“We are crystal clear in this analysis, in this carbon budget, for the first time we start to see the economy making savings from this investment, and they make savings over and above what we would do if we stay dependent on fossil fuels,” Ms Pinchbeck told BBC News.

This should improve energy security and filter down to lower bills in the long term, the CCC argues, provided the government acts to make electricity cheaper.

It advises removing policy costs – funding for social and environmental schemes – from electricity bills. That would cut them by about 19% based on expected 2025 prices, the CCC says, making it more cost-effective for people to switch to electric vehicles or heat pumps.

These costs could instead sit on gas bills or general taxation.

“Regardless of what you think about climate change, what we are laying out today is a massive industrial revolution,” said Ms Pinchbeck.

“It will save the economy money by 2040, it saves people money on their energy bills, it saves people money on their driving costs, but all of that is underpinned by a cheaper electricity price.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70ekknr2rwo

According to the CCC, additional CAPEX and OPEX will amount to £319 billion by 2040. But after 2040, renewable costs will miraculously fall away, making us all better off to the tune of a couple of hundred billions.

Never mind the fact that half of us will be dead by then!

However all of the costings are based on two highly unrealistic assumptions:

Falling cost of renewable energy

The CCC have made assumptions about the cost of wind and solar power, which are not only unrealistic but are contradicted by current prices.

For offshore wind, for instance, their costings are based on a price of £51.12/MWh for this year, dropping to £37.60/MWh in 2030. (All based on 2023 prices). Yet the latest strike price already stands at £82/MWh, and there is every indication this will rise again this year.

Similarly with solar, which they assume is currently £46.00, and will drop to £34.42 by 2030. However AR6 prices stand at £69.

Based on current strike prices, CCC have understated their costs by approximately £16bn a year, using generation profiles for 2040. Over the full period to 2050, we are looking at something like £400 billion.

The comparison with the CCC’s fake costings with NESO’s figures is striking. In their Clean Power 2030 plan, NESO said we would need to spend £48 billion a year up to 2030 on electricity supply CAPEX. The CCC’s figure is just £18 billion for a similar increase in capacity.

EV Parity

The second big lie concerns the cost of buying EVs, which the CCC say will reach price parity with petrol cars between 2026 and 2028, and quickly become 10% cheaper:

We have heard the same nonsense for years, yet EVs still remain a good £10k dearer, and there has been no evidence of this gap shrinking in recent years.

Between now and 2040, the CCC calculate that car owners will be £6 billion better off because of “cheaper EVs”. In reality, at current price levels they will be £20 billion a year worse off.

Nobody knows what will happen after 2040, and for the CCC to claim they do shows this report is a sham. It is fair enough for them to build in risks and opportunities in their assessment – drivers “may” be better off if EV prices fall. But it is dishonest for them to publish a report where the central case is based on such flimsy, extremely unlikely and optimistic savings.

The EV and renewable energy scams together probably mean that they have understated the true cost of Net Zero by £700 billion. It does not give much confidence that their other costings will stand up to scrutiny.

It is abundantly clear that this Carbon Budget report was specifically written to deflect mounting criticism of Net Zero and the catastrophic effect it will have on the economy and people’s standard of living. And it has clearly been written to give Ed Miliband cover for his policies, indicating that the CCC are not “independent” at all.

It is much like a glossy brochure from a timeshare company, which fails to tell you the real cost of signing up, the fact that the advertised villas have not even been built yet and that you will probably discover it is double booked when you want it!

Tomorrow I’ll go into more detail on the technical stuff.

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Bill Toland
March 1, 2025 2:11 am

The Climate Change Committee is an utter disgrace. They know they are lying, we know they are lying and they know that anyone with a brain knows that they are lying. However, the report that they have produced is designed for politicians who know absolutely no science and actually believe this utter tosh. Britain is doomed.

Reply to  Bill Toland
March 1, 2025 3:02 am

Ah, but do we know if they know that we know that they know they’re lying?

atticman
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 1, 2025 8:34 am

I’m sure that’s a good point – if only I could untangle it!

KevinM
Reply to  atticman
March 1, 2025 9:23 am

So… you don’t know whether ZZW knows that we know if they know that we know that they know they’re lying?

Mr.
Reply to  KevinM
March 1, 2025 9:35 am

Well, know that it’s been known that –
there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know.

Reply to  KevinM
March 1, 2025 7:47 pm

I know, right?

strativarius
March 1, 2025 2:18 am

6th form nonsense. But that’s the new normal…

The next generation of socialists returned to the Youth Parliament today, with the 13 year-olds armed with the usual bright ideas of demanding free stuff from the government.
https://order-order.com/2025/02/28/youth-parliament-teens-call-for-free-transport-and-more-money/

Reply to  strativarius
March 1, 2025 3:04 am

Everyone knows that government money is free!

Whadaya mean, ‘cost of living crisis’? Printing government money obviously doesn’t cause inflation. This is well known, innit?

strativarius
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 1, 2025 3:14 am

Suddenly we’re all quantitatively eased…

Or so they believe. Education today is more about how they feel than what they know.

Reply to  strativarius
March 2, 2025 11:19 am

….demading free stuff from gov…
And governments can provide free stuff to voters until there is no OPM to collect for those free purposes.
Ancient civilization ruins worldwide are probably a testament government mismanagement….we sometimes have records of military conquests but little info on how government taxed its citizenry to pay for their military.

UK-Weather Lass
March 1, 2025 2:58 am

Haven’t we UK citizens already been told that no matter what the UK may do by way of reducing ‘unwanted emissions’ nobody globally will detect any difference in our behaviors? And so far as the greenest energy source – nuclear – is concerned didn’t we once have an ambitious and comprehensive plan for it?

What went wrong I wonder? It wasn’t cheap gas was it? Nothing like pure and applied economics in family life is there as Mrs Thatcher taught us?

strativarius
Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
March 1, 2025 3:03 am

What went wrong? The wets eventually through John Major* won out and started the leftward journey that Tories remain on to this day.

It wasn’t enough to win the election in ’97 and since then they have – ignoring the rhetoric – been in lockdown step with Labour…

jack rodwell
March 1, 2025 3:10 am

The trouble with bemoaning alarmist declarations is it gives them credibility.

If a group of oddballs hypothesised singing “ave maria” causes snow to fall because it did when the choir sang in a Swizz blizzard once the reply would be “show me”. Give definitive cause and effect observational evidence for your claim.

That is the only question required of the “dangerous man made climate change” claim.

Unfortunately it looks like avoiding this stake through the heart question looks like unwitting collusion betwixt both sides with money is to be made from peripheral debate.

A plague on both your houses

Reply to  jack rodwell
March 1, 2025 6:45 am

A lot of us say “show me” all the time. Climate Alarmists run away when that happens because they don’t have anything to show. I don’t make any money when I say “show me”. I don’t think anyone else around here does, either. So, I’m wondering who you are talking about?

jack rodwell
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2025 10:47 am

If that were true why debate the various attempts at “evidence” ?

The phrase “you are presenting peripheral pieces not definitive cause and effect evidence” is all that’s needed.

Too many indulging nonsense

MarkW
Reply to  jack rodwell
March 1, 2025 11:57 am

The vast majority of them couldn’t care less about any evidence you might present.
For them, declaring that anyone who disagrees with them is in the pay of big oil is all the evidence they need.

jack rodwell
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2025 7:44 am

The onus is on the claimant to produce evidence usually via definitive cause and effect observational evidence – they don’t have any – end of story

Indulging the lunatics has become self defeating nonsense but if there’s money in it that probably explains why.

KevinM
Reply to  jack rodwell
March 1, 2025 9:28 am

I hear the point, and wonder what will happen to the professional contrarians if they ultimately win.

jack rodwell
Reply to  KevinM
March 1, 2025 10:48 am

A very valid point

March 1, 2025 4:06 am

2040? So in the meantime people’s lives will be sacrificed to an unknowable future subjected to the quirks of politics? Nothing to worry about then! Form a committee out of zealots who tow your line. That is a tyranny n’est-ce pas.

oeman50
Reply to  Europeanonion
March 1, 2025 4:26 am

Yes, 2040.

“”’savings from moving to more efficient technologies should outweigh costs by the early 2040s.”

Yet, in 2040 all of the wind turbines currently deployed will be coming up for replacement, if not sooner. How’s that for savings?

Of course there will be improvements. But has anyone seen costs go down?

strativarius
Reply to  oeman50
March 1, 2025 4:35 am

Now that the plan is to paint turbine blades black in an attempt to ameliorate avian fatalities will it prove like the Forth bridge?

Could the fantasy of green jobs include painting turbines – forever?

Rich Davis
Reply to  strativarius
March 1, 2025 5:08 am

Won’t that be grand, even more of an eyesore.

strativarius
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 1, 2025 5:56 am

Sometimes, like this, words fail me. Bonkers will have to do.

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 1, 2025 12:43 pm

Let’s all hope they don’t go all “pride” on the colour scheme.

KevinM
Reply to  strativarius
March 1, 2025 9:31 am

“The Forth Bridge[2] is a cantilever railway bridge across the Firth of Forth in the east of Scotland, 9 miles (14 kilometres) west of central Edinburgh. Completed in 1890, it is considered a symbol of Scotland (having been voted Scotland’s greatest man-made wonder in 2016), and is a UNESCO World Heritage Site”

“”Painting the Forth Bridge” is a colloquial expression for a never-ending task, coined on the erroneous belief that at one time in the history of the bridge repainting was required and commenced immediately upon completion of the previous repaint.”

MarkW
Reply to  strativarius
March 1, 2025 12:00 pm

Birds are being killed by the blades because the blades are coming at them from the side, or behind. The blades are coming at them from their blind spots.

Michael 63
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2025 4:43 am

That too. But another issue the pressure wave in front of the blade and the vacuum behind the blade. It’s enough to de-stabilize birds & bats in flight and cause crashes.
The blades move fast!

Reply to  Europeanonion
March 1, 2025 6:48 am

“2040?”

I think the Net Zero effort will be over by then. By 2040, if not sooner, it will be obvious to the even the slowest person that Net Zero is an unattainable fantasy.

Westfieldmike
March 1, 2025 5:08 am

German car manufacturers have all said that they are cutting battery car production, and increasing ICE car development and production, including some new V8 engines.

strativarius
Reply to  Westfieldmike
March 1, 2025 5:59 am

Audi is closing its [e car] factory in Belgium.

Falling demand they say

Belgian Audi factory closes, leaving thousands of workers without jobs https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/02/28/thousands-of-workers-lose-their-jobs-as-audi-brussels-closes-its-doors

Reply to  Westfieldmike
March 1, 2025 11:56 am

including some new V8 engines”

Now that’s deserves a big thumbs up !! 🙂

Little_orange_guy
March 1, 2025 5:14 am

Perhaps we should start with what we are actually paying, rather than all the false figures. It’s alarmingly high.

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Abbas Syed
March 1, 2025 5:39 am

The CCC is a bunch of grifters.

The ‘academics’ on this committee are politicians, not scholars

Most working in areas that are simply hot air (pun intended). Several in economics

One has written the same paper about 10 times and managed to get it published in 10 different journals

Something about ‘nature based solutions to climate change’

Based in a biology department, but sounds like the English department under creative literature would be a better fit

Several have commercial interests and/or sit on boards of companies and other quangos

All are part of the professional bullsh1tter class that runs UK academia, I doubt any of them actually believes anything they or their minions write or publish

strativarius
Reply to  Abbas Syed
March 1, 2025 6:02 am

The CCC is government outsourcing…

Abbas Syed
Reply to  strativarius
March 1, 2025 7:13 am

I think it’s more of a fig leaf to justify (post hoc) policies that are already decided

These people are bullsh1tters for hire. They don’t even need to be told what conclusions to draw, they simply write what they know the government wants to hear. And the government knows that they know

It’s like the guardian and it’s go-to “scientists’. Everyone knows what’s expected of them

F@cking grifters

taxed
March 1, 2025 6:28 am

Since the start of February l have been recording daily Max & Min temps here in Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire, England, with a old school Max & Min mercury filled thermometer. As l have began to lose faith in the figures the Met Office was producing and wanted my own data to compare them with.

The February mean average temp for my area has come in at 5.35C.
Which is about 0.3C above the 1991-2020 average for February in England.
With the Max temp for the month reaching 15.8C on the 21st.
So am expecting to see the Met Office figures for the month of February in England to be around the same figure.

Tom Halla
March 1, 2025 6:34 am

Or Starmer could just go full Stalinist, and administer prices. Of course, there would not actually be much available at those prices, but the price would be as claimed.

KevinM
March 1, 2025 9:16 am

Once you start doubting the accuracy of charts for 1930, charts for 2050 seem just silly.

KevinM
Reply to  KevinM
March 1, 2025 9:20 am

Also: levelised cost? For comparing the cost of a specific technology 25 years in the future relative to the cost of all other specific technologies 25 years in the future? Wouldn’t that require that I trust how well the same numbers cited in the present? And that no new technologies appear?

Reply to  KevinM
March 1, 2025 3:01 pm

Not really. Its not a particular problem with levelized costs. Its a problem with any investment decision which has a long lived asset, like 25+ years. Some new technology may appear in 10 years which means that your investment is stranded. The way this is usually dealt with is depreciation. You assign a conservative useful life and take a depreciation charge based on that. Of course you may get it wrong in which case you’ll have write-off charges half way through. But this isn’t a problem specifically with levelized costs, its a general problem about long term capital investment in an industry in which technical change is happening quite rapidly.

Its a bit technical. One thing worth commenting on, a common confusion, is that people sometimes think that whether something has been fully depreciated should affect your investment decision. It should not. What counts is cash flows only, and whether an asset is fully depreciated or not makes no difference to cash.

The two things to worry about with levelized cost calculations are:

  1. Have they got all the costs in there
  2. Have they only counted the useful production

The answer to both is mostly no. See my other post. Rud Istvan did a proper evaluation of wind a while back, getting the first point right, all the costs in:

https://judithcurry.com/2015/05/12/true-costs-of-wind-electricity/

But even this didn’t allow for the fact that with wind lots of your production may be wasted because it happens at 3am on Saturday. Or some other equally useless time, and so it should not be counted as power produced.

March 1, 2025 11:55 am

Meanwhile, China is building COAL fired power plants.. most this year since 2015

China’s New Coal Plant Construction Highest Since 2015 | NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

Bob
March 1, 2025 2:13 pm

Very nice Paul. CCC needs to report to DOGE immediately, it’s the least we can do for the Brits. A couple things.

Number one it is true that the cost of net zero is important. More important is the fact that all of the sacrifices and costs we have endured, especially Germany and Britain, we have nothing to show for it. CO2 emissions haven’t fallen and average global temperatures are about the same maybe a little higher. So what is the point? It is equivalent to flushing money and resources down the toilet.

Number two even if wind, solar and EVs were on par price wise with fossil fuel, nuclear and internal combustion vehicles it wouldn’t matter a lick because they are far inferior to fossil fuel, nuclear and internal combustion vehicles. It’s not even close.

Number three Pinchbeck is a liar pay no attention to her.

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