By David R. Legates
“Hydrogen energy will cease to become viable when the subsidies provided to it by governments of the world dry up. Hopefully, the new Administration will recognize that hydrogen embrittlement applies not just to metals, but to our economy as well.”
Hydrogen. The first element in the Periodic Table and the most abundant element in the Universe. It is also the simplest element—the most common isotope has only one proton and one electron. It has been called the “Future of Energy”; after all, the Sun relies on hydrogen to keep emitting light and, if it is good enough for our Sun, why isn’t it good enough for us?
No doubt you have heard all the clamor associated with a hydrogen-based energy economy. Jeremy Rifkin published a book entitled The Hydrogen Economy: The Creation of the Worldwide Energy Web and the Redistribution of Power on Earth. He claimed that “globalization represents the end stage of the fossil-fuel era” and that turning “toward hydrogen is a promissory note for a safer world.”
In his State of the Union Address, the President stated that “with a new national commitment, our scientists and engineers will overcome obstacles” to taking hydrogen-fueled automobiles “from laboratory to showroom so that the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen, and pollution-free.” The Administration then announced a collaborative effort with the European Union to develop a hydrogen economy, including the technologies “needed for mass production of safe and affordable hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles,” and stated that this would “improve America’s energy security by significantly reducing the need for imported oil.”
The Chicago Sun-Times ran a story that proclaimed, “The first steps toward what proponents call the hydrogen economy are [now] being taken.” And the US House of Representatives held the first of two “investigative hearings on the subject of hydrogen—its production, utilization, and potential effects on our energy economy of the future.” The chairman of the hearing claimed hydrogen “has the potential of playing the same kind of role in our energy system as electricity does today.”
Thus, hydrogen is poised to be the silver bullet that solves the climate crisis and removes us from a fossil fuel-based energy supply.
But wait. You don’t remember all of this? Well, the Rifkin book was published in 2002. The Administration was not the second Trump Presidency, the Joe Biden Presidency, the first Trump Presidency, or the first or second Obama Presidency. It was George W. Bush’s State of the Union in 2003. The Chicago Sun-Times article came out in 1996. And the Congressional Hearing? Well, that was held on June 10, 1975.
But doesn’t the Sun run on hydrogen? Yes, but not in the same way. In the Sun, through fusion, hydrogen atoms are merged to produce helium with lots of energy given off in the process. Each second, about six-hundred-billion kilograms of hydrogen are fused into helium and about four-billion kilograms of matter are converted to energy. On Earth, that process of fusion is about twenty years off and, as the meme goes, always will be. And apparently, so too will hydrogen as a fuel source.
How Do We Get Hydrogen?
Is mining or drilling for hydrogen the problem? No. That isn’t how we get hydrogen.
Hydrogen is produced by separating it from other elements in various compounds. The most common methods are electrolysis—where water is split to form hydrogen and oxygen gases—and steam-methane reforming, where hydrogen atoms are separated from the carbon atoms in methane. The former is generally how hydrogen is produced in high school chemistry classes but has recently been touted as the only “clean” way to produce hydrogen; the latter is the process by which hydrogen currently is produced commercially in the United States.
But steam-methane reforming requires high temperatures (about thirteen-hundred to eighteen-hundred degrees Fahrenheit) and high pressures (between three and twenty-five times that of atmospheric pressure). This allows engineers to use steam as a catalyst to produce hydrogen, carbon monoxide, and carbon dioxide. Thus, the production of hydrogen through steam-methane reforming uses methane, a fossil fuel, and generates carbon dioxide (the supposedly evil gas) and carbon monoxide (a truly deadly gas).
But there is something interesting about the laws of physics. Namely, there is no free lunch. We often talk about the Second Law of Thermodynamics and that a system becomes more disordered with time unless energy is added to it from outside. We say the entropy of the closed system increases over time. But there are other ways of saying this. For example, we can say one cannot create a heat engine which extracts heat and converts all of it to useful work. Interpreting this for our discussion, the energy contained in the steam and methane cannot be entirely transferred to the hydrogen—some of it goes to the production of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and some is lost as heat.
This means the production of hydrogen from methane results in less energy in the hydrogen molecules than existed in the original methane molecule. How much less?
The first hurdle of hydrogen energy is its energy deficit. To get enough hydrogen to produce two megawatts of energy, a total of three megawatts of electricity is required. This doesn’t include the loss of energy—or the intervention of the Second Law of Thermodynamics—in the production of this electricity from other sources. In the words of Robert Bryce, hydrogen energy is “insanely expensive, in energy terms, to manufacture.”
So, why aren’t we just sending these three megawatts of electricity down the power lines to heat and cool homes, cook food, and perform other tasks that make our lives better? Because hydrogen is supposedly a clean fuel source, even though the energy to extract it is usually produced by methane and yields our supposedly evil gas, carbon dioxide, as a byproduct. Moreover, hydrogen is green—not in the environmental sense, but rather, subsidies abound for companies that wish to pursue the hydrogen panacea.
Storage Problems
The second hurdle associated with hydrogen as an energy source is that it is hard to handle and difficult to store. Hydrogen gas does not play well with metals and something called “hydrogen embrittlement” occurs. As the name implies, hydrogen embrittlement causes metals to become brittle and crack over time, especially when the metal is stressed. Being a small molecule, hydrogen easily escapes from the smallest of cracks. In general, hydrogen embrittlement does not occur at temperatures above about three-hundred degrees Fahrenheit; however, it is not feasible to heat pipes and storage tanks to this temperature. At ambient temperatures and pressures found on Earth, hydrogen embrittlement is a significant problem for many metals, such as steel, iron, nickel, titanium, cobalt, copper, and aluminum, plus alloys that contain them.
Proponents argue that hydrogen can be stored as a liquid. While true, that would require compression to seven-hundred times atmospheric pressure and refrigeration to minus-four-hundred-twenty-three degrees Fahrenheit. And, of course, even more energy would be required to reach and maintain that level of compression and cooling.
If we cannot transport and store hydrogen in existing trucks, tanks, and pipes, how is hydrogen best used as an energy source? It can be blended with natural gas and consumed by turbines and reciprocating engines. But that involves two disadvantages. One is that we lose energy by storing it in the production of hydrogen—why not simply use the methane in the turbine rather than wasting energy by converting it to hydrogen? There is simply no advantage to that, and it costs us energy. The second is that by mixing in methane, activists are no longer able to tout the hydrogen source as “clean and green renewable energy,” because methane is still in the mixture. Sigh. Virtue signaling rears its ugly head again.
The best way to use hydrogen is probably as the fuel source in a fuel cell. But fuel cells already run on methane, and the loss of energy in converting methane to hydrogen precludes any utility that the use of hydrogen would provide. Except, of course, that activists and those in the hydrogen-production industry would not be able to tout their fuel cell as being “clean and green renewable energy.” In my home state of Delaware, however, the state legislature has declared that methane consumed by a Bloom Energy fuel cell is renewable energy. Ah, the all-powerful legislature that can simply alter physics by majority vote!
Dangers in Use
A third hurdle with using hydrogen as a fuel source is that it is dangerous to use. Like methane, it is colorless and odorless, and no doubt, for hydrogen to become a widely used fuel source, it would have to be mixed with a smelly gas—just as smelly mercaptan is mixed with methane so a leak can be detected. And, yes, hydrogen is highly explosive.
It is why the early twentieth-century dirigible fleet in the United States was built using helium for buoyancy, not hydrogen, even though helium is more expensive to produce and provides less buoyancy. If you don’t understand the explosive potential of hydrogen, the Hindenburg disaster should tell you all you need to know.
Not Cheap
Finally, the fourth hurdle should now be obvious. The use of hydrogen as a fuel source is expensive—in terms of production cost, expensive storage, and energy required to produce. Hydrogen as a fuel source will allow virtue signalers to claim they have developed and are using a “clean and green” fuel source that is “saving the planet from the evils of fossil fuels.” But in reality, it is only going to make energy more expensive and send a larger proportion of the planet back below the poverty line.
As we have often stated here at the Cornwall Alliance, inexpensive energy has been the solution to raising billions of people above the poverty line and increasing their standard of living. Hydrogen energy will cease to become viable when the subsidies provided to it by governments of the world dry up. Hopefully, the new Administration will recognize that hydrogen embrittlement applies not just to metals, but to our economy as well.
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David R. Legates, PhD, is Director of Research and Education for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation and retired professor of climatology at the University of Delaware. He is the co-editor of Climate and Energy: The Case for Realism.
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When i was in Holland the talk was of pumping hydrogen through their widespread old gas pipelines and coating the inside with i take it a plastic/ polymer substance.
The wise people in power decided to halt their natural gas reserves, the biggest field in Europe and to go f ‘renewables’. It’s working out great..😁.
Oh, and they wanted to produce the hydrogen close (or in?) wind turbines.
It’s all the rage apparently..
Let’s wait for those prototypes first..
The problem with Holland’s vast Gronegan natgas field is that it is over 85% depleted already. It is halting on its own, no green intervention needed.
There are subsidence and ground quaking issues that are contributing to its demise. A daughter recently worked on a project for Gasunie there for a couple of years. Nice college town.
They’re leaving a lot of recoverable gas in the ground. I can’t help but think that the technical issues could have been resolved but “net zero” prevents this from happening.
As everything is a trade off solutions to the tremors COULD’VE been found. But since the political direction was towards wind/ solar that wasn’t considered. In fact they dumped concrete down the shafts to stop future exploration.
Since coal is a nono Holland is now an energy importer. Some nuclear power stations remain and they are looking at building more. That is not going to help them in the next 8-10 years when the going is likely to get very tough. They might decide to re- open their gas fields.
Bah humbug. I am from Holland and well aware of the circumstances..
It’s GRONINGEN btw. Nice city..
Apologies, I posted before I had seen this.
I have very fond memories of Groningen from my distant youth.
It’s Groningen (pronounced with a soft “G”, Hroninghen).
Only if you’re from the south..
They have a prototype. It seems to be stalled during onshore testing, and the state has already had to step in to buoy up its finances.
https://poshydon.com/en/home-en/news/
May 8th 2024:
The PosHYdon pilot kicked off the onshore test successfully at the premises of InVesta in Alkmaar. PosHYdon aims to produce green hydrogen on an operational gas platform in the Dutch North Sea. It will be the first time that three offshore energy systems will be integrated and hydrogen is transported to land together with gas via an existing pipeline. The pilot is essential for the development of large-scale production of green hydrogen at sea and thus for the energy transition in the Netherlands and Northwest Europe. After this testing period onshore, the electrolyzer will be transferred offshore to the Q13a-A platform, 13 kilometers off the coast of Scheveningen (The Hague). First offshore hydrogen production is planned for Q4 this year.
This project was started in July 2019. The lack of news suggests they have run into problems with the onshore testing, let alone trying to do it offshore.
I do not like hydrogen .
6L16 operator (637 class )
sister boat 6L16s had names ….
Widow maker One , Widow maker Two .
(O2generators , hydrogen a waste byproduct)
Some crews referred to them as L’Bombe. French sounds so much better doesn’t it?
French does sound better, but that isn’t French.
FYI, the explosive range of methane in air runs from 5% to 15% by volume. Below or above those limits methane will burn, but not explode. The explosive range of hydrogen lies between 4% and 75% by volume in air. The Hindenburg burned but did not explode because the hydrogen was contained rubber bladders that were only a small amount above background air pressure.
Yes. Had to keep close eye on EPCP hydrogen level indication when battery charging .
Also the required ignition energy (spark) required for hydrogen is quite low, well below the level of a spark generated as one walks across a dry floor…so a minor leak becomes a near invisible flame that is hot enough to cause catastrophic failure of the hydrogen containment.
FYI, static sparks you didn’t expect…
https://www.icheme.org/media/10872/ici126.pdf
And the flammability range is pretty much all possible ranges…
I have a tank of about 88 cubic feet in my basement. I’m careful to make sure that I close its valve after use, but I have burn marks and holes in a couple of shirts where its invisible flame bit me.
Thank you for your service. SSN-660 carried an Aux Tank full of 5,000 ‘candles’. A good A-gagger’s got to know his limitations. I BCE never had to terminate a charge due to [H2].
Too much repetition of the fibs in the first few paragraphs.
Could you point such fibs out? Thanks.
Crickets . . . obvious sign of a troll!
Sometimes it is difficult to discern whether the moronic posts like yours are from stupid people, the “woke again” indoctrinated government worshippers or paid propagandist trolls.
Hyzon Motors to be delisted from Nasdaq following dissolution plan.
Hyzon motors, trucks to be run on H2 fuel cells, I just knew this would not work out, they got gov’t grants and someone made some big bucks.
Just three problems with H2 fuel cells.
Hyzon failure was a forgone conclusion. But they milked granny’s and subsidies.
I’m familiar with Fuel Cell Energy and Ballard Power. Each has survived for more than 30 years via endless stock dilutions. Scaling up electrochemistry is not easy.
FCE actually built a ~15 MW fuel cell generating facility in Bridgeport Connecticut. But it runs on natural gas.
If you remove government from the equation all of these issues go away.
47 is less than a month in. He will get to it soon enough. Cancelling USAID and finding 25 million ‘live’ SSN over age 100 were maybe more important starters.
Just learned, that even biogas facilities need subsidies…
I wrote extensively about hydrogen ‘energy’ in essay ‘Hydrogen Hype’ in ebook Blowing Smoke a decade ago. Ran a lot of specific numbers under different scenarios (electrolysis [needing FF backup to be ‘practical’ given renewable intermittency—never mind cost], steam reformation), storage (high pressure, cryogenic, hydride, methanol conversion), and use (combustion, fuel cells of various types).
The final numerical example was simple. Assumed hydrogen storage problems were solved (they haven’t been) and that hydrogen fuel cells can be made to work reliably in autos (they don’t, little problems like PEM membrane winter freeze up or SOFC cracking—the fatal Bloom Energy flaw).
Under those unrealistically favorable assumptions, a MY2014 Toyota Prius was still more energy efficient and less CO2 producing than ANY idealistic green hydrogen scenario.
I introduced the essay with a longish quotation about Hydrogen from early famous sci-fi writer Jules Verne from his sci-fi story “The Mysterious Island”. Hydrogen remains sci-fi green energy 145 years later.
Good one, Rud. I’ve been hearing that the “hydrogen economy” is just a few years away for decades. (Reminds me of something, like fusion.)
In any case, only the mined hydrogen could be considered an energy “source.” In all other cases, it is an energy transport mechanism since it requires the expenditure of energy to create it. As such, it attempts to duplicate the existing electrical grid.
Search for The_Future_of_the_Hydrogen_Economy_Bright_or_Bleak and you will find a report, so named, written by some ABB engineers just over 20 years ago. They point out that the energy to produce hydrogen, compress it, pump it through pipes (with more compressors), ship it by truck if there are no pipes and do all the other things that need to be done to get hydrogen from its source to its user will use up most and in some cases all plus some of the thermal energy contained in what is being handled. One example is shipping it by semi truck where about 12 truckloads of compressed hydrogen will be needed to deliver to a “gas” station the amount of hydrogen energy as can be carried by a single semi tractor trailer tanker carrying gasoline or diesel tanker. And either the truck or the station must have a hydrogen compressor to transfer the gas to station’s tanks. The problems pointed out by Dr. Legates are just some of the problems with dealing with hydrogen, not all. And yes, NASA does use hydrogen to fuel some of their rockets, but they don’t care what it costs. SpaceX does and uses kerosene or methane.
There are several hydrogen fueling stations in California that deliver hydrogen at up to 10,000 psi. That’s kind of scary. Tanks of hydrogen from local gas suppliers are filled to about 2800 psi.
This article contains several chemistry errors but I think I’ll address the following one. Steam (H2O) is a reactant in steam methane reformers (SMRs), it is not a catalyst.
SMR catalysts are predominantly nickel based on alumina or alumina silicate supports. In the chemistry used, water is reduced by methane to hydrogen and some additional enthalpy is captured from the oxidation of methane to CO2. Carbon monoxide formed can also be shifted to hydrogen with steam or used for some other chemistry.
Several people have posted links to companies that are exploring natural hydrogen production. It would be wonderful if commercially and economically viable quantities of hydrogen could be produced from wells, as there already is a non-transportation market for hydrogen.
Here’s another link that hypes natural hydrogen. https://knowledge.energyinst.org/new-energy-world/article?id=138647
I can imagine those future drillers for H2: “We poked a lot of holes and all we found was natural gas. I guess we’ll just have to develop it anyway.”
There’s a village in Africa that happens to have a hydrogen well. I’ll see if I can find a link.
In Colorado, we have a couple of huge carbon dioxide fields. One feeds a 500 mile pipeline for CO2 flooding in Texas. The geology is just right for capping the CO2 and preventing its escape into the atmosphere, which happens just about everywhere else.
Here’s a link about the hydrogen well(s) in Mali. https://www.ryzepower.com/2023/03/27/significant-natural-reserve-of-underground-hydrogen-in-mali-west-africa/
I am as skeptical of ‘natural hydrogen’ wells as I am about producing hydrogen from deep sea methane clathrates. Both obviously exist, but the basic engineering problems are enormous. Wrote about methane clathrates in essay ‘Ice that Burns’ in ebook Blowing Smoke.
Interestingly, the bottom of the Framm Strait off Greenland is covered with abiogenic methane clathrates—a simple gelchemical consequence of ‘fresh’ basaltic rock from seafloor spreading there thanks to plate tectonics. But no known way to ‘mine’.
Washington State was promised to receive federal funding as part of the Pacific Northwest Hydrogen Association’s initiative, up to $1 billion over several phases to develop clean hydrogen projects.
I do not know the status of this except that one of the sites was to be in Grant County, not far from me. Perhaps these grants can be added to the list of things the DOGE can look at.
Pacific NW wins $1 billion from feds for ‘Clean Hydrogen Hub.’ Now what? • Washington State Standard
In 2022 Texas had over 25 million vehicles titled and registered in their system. Only 1 vehicle was powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. Ain’t gonna happen.
I saw an article on Toyota’s H2 vehicle – in Callyfornia the cars are for sale at about 1/2 price and free H2 for 15000 miles or somethiong like that – I guess Toyota has the cars and wants to get some data and money out of it before closing down the projerct. Someine who lives near a H2 station and doesn’t drive much might have a bargain but a cheap lease would be better than owning one.
H2 will always be a total failure at replacing hydrocarbons as an energy carrier, just as wind turbines and PV are a failure which has already wasted 12 $trillion. There are more than a dozen LONG known fundamentals which I will not repeat here once again. The Chinese blew a cool $billion on a renewable energy production scheme which failed predictably. That was only the first problem. There are all the others remaining. Reality never gets through to the politicians since they can be lied to and then bribed.
Perhaps Trump will get some good advice, but do not count on it.
There is a long known solution, of course.
Hydrogen being used as a mass produced fuel is ludicrous and this has been well understood by oil refinery industry.
I am very familiar with refinery hydrogen plants as I was a process engineer and later an ops supervisor over one years ago. It was well understood that it was an energy net loser to convert methane or from refinery fuel gas (contains ethane and to a lower extent propane) to hydrogen. The hydrogen was needed in other refinery operations like desulfurization, hydro-processing, and hydrocracking. It was basically a utility feedstock for other processes.
Hydrogen Plants due convert the CO to CO2.
We used aa cryogenic system to captured the CO2, however the system reliability was poor, so we vent the CO2 to air. This venting procedure is no longer to allowed to happen.
Hydrogen Energy: Not Clean, Green, Cheap … or safe ! It’s not only playing with fire, but with a very hard to contain explosive gas.
Megawatts and megawatt hours are not the same thing. The article uses the wrong one.
It would be easier and as likely to replace “H2 power” with battery power from BATTERY MINES.
The above article has an error in this second sentence of the second paragraph under the sub-heading “Storage Problems”:
“. . . hydrogen can be stored as a liquid. While true, that would require compression to seven-hundred times atmospheric pressure and refrigeration to minus-four-hundred-twenty-three degrees Fahrenheit.”
Hydrogen at a temperature just below -423 deg-F (20.4 K) is liquid at a pressure of 1 atmosphere (14.7 psia) . . . there is no need to simultaneously compress it to 700 atmospheres pressure. In fact, above its critical temperature of 33 K and critical pressure of 12.8 atmospheres (188 psia), hydrogen exists only as a supercritical fluid.
Also, of significant note but not mentioned in the above article, is the fact that liquid hydrogen—the most dense form which we can currently store large quantities of the stuff—has a volumetric energy density that much lower than, say kerosene or diesel fuel, meaning you need a much larger volume of liquid hydrogen to store the same amount of combustible energy. Roughly speaking, liquid hydrogen has around 2.8 times the energy density per kilogram as JP-1, but only about 1/4 of the energy density per liter.
Otherwise, the above article is a nice summary of the issues and (likely insurmountable) problems of using hydrogen in either gas or liquid phase as a widespread fuel for mankind.
The energy requirements of generating and maintaining hydrogen as a liquid make it pointless, except possibly where economic concerns aren’t important, such as space flight.
The safest way to store and handle hydrogen is to mix a bit of carbon with it. 4:1 seems to work quite well.
Ummmmmm . . . how about the idea of “mixing” hydrogen atoms with oxygen atoms in a ratio of, say, 2:1 respectively? Wouldn’t that chemical product be MUCH safer and easier to store and handle—and at MUCH lower cost—compared even to C:H4?
I think it even has more uses.
You can also mix it 1:1, for example as C2H2 (Acetylene).
In short, ther are only 2 sources of hydrogen on the planet. Water through electrolysis and methane using high temperature steam. The hydrogen produced will only produce less than half of the energy that was required to create it. Only the Church of Warming could believe the mindless prattle that hydrogen will solve all energy requirements.