Gulf Stream Collapsing Again!

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

Yes, it’s that old bogeyman again!

From the Mail:

The network of ocean currents which keep the Earth’s climate stable could be about to collapse, scientists have warned.

In an open letter, 44 of the world’s leading climate scientists say that key Atlantic Ocean currents – including the Gulf Stream – are on the brink of failure.

The scientists caution that the collapse of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) could lead to ‘devastating and irreversible impacts’ which will affect ‘the entire world for centuries to come’.

The resulting climate fallout could plunge the UK into a ‘new Ice Age’, with winter temperatures plummetting up to 15°C (27°F) below the current average.

While the collapse of the Gulf Stream would be disastrous for Britain, that vital current is just one small part of AMOC’s massive global system.

This giant ocean conveyor belt is critical for moving heat around the planet, but research suggests that it has been slowing down and could soon reach a tipping point.

Without urgent action, the scientists warn that AMOC could fail completely within the next few decades.

As warm water travels northwards from the tropics, it hits the sea ice around Greenland and the Nordic countries, cooling and becoming much saltier.

As the water cools it becomes denser, sinking rapidly towards the bottom of the ocean where it flows back southwards before once again warming and rising to the surface.

This process of ‘deep water formation’ is the engine for a vast global conveyor belt which pumps heat and water all around the Atlantic Ocean.

However, studies suggest that AMOC’s deep water engine has started to slow and is now showing worrying signs of breaking down altogether.

As global temperatures rise, melting ice pours fresh water back into oceans, diluting the denser salty water and preventing it from sinking.

If this process were to break down entirely, it would have catastrophic knock-on effects including the weakening of the Gulf Stream and the disruption of global weather patterns.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13991003/Gulf-Stream-COLLAPSE-soon-scientists.html#newcomment

Its “The Day After Tomorrow” all over again!

As with a lot of climate scams, this one is based on just a few years data, from which the “scientists” conclude that they have identified cataclysmic changes that have not happened for millennia.

The Met Office give a more balanced summary:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/oceans/amoc

Note this particular sentence:

Oceanographers have been measuring the AMOC continuously since 2004. The measurements have shown that the AMOC varies from year to year, and it is likely that these variations have an impact on the weather in the UK. However it is too early to say for sure whether there are any long term trends. Before 2004 the AMOC was only measured a few times,

So we only have data since 2004, and the year to year variations are large. To pretend that such a short series is in any way significant is not only unscientific but fraudulent.

This is what the series shows:

https://climexp.knmi.nl/getindices.cgi?WMO=NOCData/moc_mar_hc10_mon&STATION=AMOC_26N&TYPE=i&id=someone@somewhere&NPERYEAR=366

It would appear that there is little trend since around 2008.

The idea that the AMOC never changed before 2004 is absurd anyway.

Bob Dickson & Svein Østerhus laid out in their study, “One hundred years in the Norwegian Sea”, the major climatic changes in the Norwegian Sea and the rest of the Arctic:

All were associated with changes in Atlantic currents and the AMOC. The Warming in the North, for instance, occurred because of the influx of warm Atlantic seawater, in exactly the same way as with recent Arctic warming. As the Met Office explain, warm water evaporates leaving saltier water, which sinks because it is more dense. Saltier water of course freezes at lower temperatures, so Arctic sea ice tends to contract. (Note when it freezes, the salt tends to leech out, so either way the sea becomes saltier).

The Great Salinity Anomaly which followed the Warming was the result of that influx of warmer water retreating, in part because of northerly airflow :

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00291950701409256

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These weather patterns are part and parcel of the Arctic Oscillation, another perfectly natural cycle. The anomalously higher pressure over Greenland marks the time of the negative AO:

From NSIDC:

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/image-79.png

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/icelights/2012/02/arctic-oscillation-winter-storms-and-sea-ice

As fresh, polar water replaced warmer Atlantic water, salinity levels fell – hence the name given to the event. Just as Arctic sea ice had retreated during the Warming, it expanded rapidly during this period. The GSA was not just a phenomenon in the Norwegian Sea, because the polar gyre carried this fresh water around the whole of the Arctic Ocean.

Another factor identified by Dickson and Osterhus in the freshening of the Arctic Ocean is increasing discharge from Eurasian rivers into the basin. A warming climate means a wetter climate in those regions. And more river discharge leads to more sea ice and a colder Arctic.

In other words, these processes tend to be self correcting. Milder weather leads eventually to more sea ice and a colder climate, until eventually the AO flips back to positive again.

I’ll leave the final comment to Dickson & Osterhus:

All these changes were the result of natural processes. There is no evidence that these will change in future.

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Sparta Nova 4
October 25, 2024 10:53 am

While doing a bit of research, I discovered a fascinating phenomenon.

I’ve read that the tropical waters are reasonably constant at 30 C give or take. Lots of possibilities have been expressed why that is. This discovery may be part of the puzzle.

The isobaric specific heat capacity (Cp) of H2O is not a linear curve versus temperature.

I refer you to The Engineering Tool Box:
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-water-d_660.html
Halfway down the page is a table. Look at the Isobaric Specific Heat (Cp).
Specific Heat (sometimes specific heat capacity) is the amount of energy in joules needed to raise the temperature of a quantity of matter by 1 degree Kelvin (or Celsius).

If one plots the data, one discovers the graph presents a bowl shape with the minimum at 40 C.
This means as water warms from 0 t0 ~ 40, as the temperature increases it takes less energy to go up another degree. Until you get to the 30 C to 40 C mark, then increasing temperature requires more energy to raise by another degree.

It also means that when cooling due to evaporation (or convection) as the water trends cooler from above 40, less energy is released to decrease by a degree.

The “sweet spot” lies in close proximity to the 30 C tropical belt ocean temperatures. In terms of energy transfers, the 30 C to 40 C range is an equilibrium point of sorts.

Certainly this needs further study in its possible effects on governing the temperatures of the oceans around the tropics.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
October 25, 2024 4:17 pm

Willis has opined on this observation in the past … I don’t have the links handy… maybe someone can add I

Sparta Nova 4
October 25, 2024 11:16 am

Chicken Little…. again.

KevinM
October 25, 2024 1:10 pm

Should the 6 timespans defined in the first graphic overlap? Also: should 100 years sound like a long time relative to sea ice ages?

October 25, 2024 2:05 pm

It would seem that The Gulf Stream has become The Gulf Swamp of scariness stories.
Just in time for Halloween!

Bob
October 25, 2024 7:28 pm

Nature rules and humans are pip sqeakes in the nature of things.

October 26, 2024 10:29 am

By now, it is clear that EVERY change in the weather, ocean current, or ice flow, in any direction will be labeled ‘climate change’, even if the change claimed is simply noise in the data. These folks have no where else to go. Their ‘rice bowl’ DEPENDS on climate change..