From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness
The woke NT are at it again!
A Mediterranean garden stocked with hardier plants designed to survive hotter summers and wetter winters has been unveiled at a National Trust property in Yorkshire.
The new garden at the stately home Beningbrough Hall, near York, features more than 4,000 perennials, grasses, trees and shrubs from the Mediterranean and areas around the world with a similar climate.
The plants in the garden, hailing from places as far afield as South Africa, South Korea, Chile, China and Australia, were selected by award-winning designer Andy Sturgeon for their ability to cope better with hotter, drier summers and wetter winters.
The National Trust said extremes in local weather over the past year have underlined the need to adapt Beningbrough’s garden.
Andy Jasper, the charity’s head of gardens and parklands, said it hoped visitors would enjoy the garden but also “be inspired to future-proof their own gardens”.
“With more intense weather events, including drought and floods, predicted, our gardens need to change to better tolerate extremes,” he said.
Progress to deliver the Mediterranean garden has been held up by the very wet weather in the past year, with rain “almost every day” – an irony which the garden team said was not lost on them.
Created out of an underused grassed area framed by red brick walls, the Mediterranean display has a series of long masonry dividing sections made from local York stone, together with boulders and water bowls featuring miniature lilies
A large tank has been built under the garden to capture excess rainfall and slowly release it to prevent flash flooding, while a rill flowing into a new pond draws on archive photographs and archaeological research showing the likely presence of a series of ponds and a fountain in this area around 1900.
We were promised Mediterranean summers decades ago. And we’re still waiting.
I often cycle around Beningbrough, which is near York, and stop off for a slice of cake! I can assure you that the gardens there are doing just fine.
In fact I was on my bike near Thirsk last week, but apparently missed the climate crisis!
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“In fact I was on my bike near Thirsk last week, but apparently missed the climate crisis!”
You blinked !!!
Is there a link for this claim?
I don’t remember scientists decades ago forecasting Mediterranean summers for the UK.
It’s a bit of satire, and not meant to be taken literally. Although, the climate doomsters have been known to exaggerate things now and then.
I wonder how long the Mediterranean Garden will last in the local UK weather. Be terrible if the local climate couldn’t support the garden and all those potential invasive plants died after being imported from so far away
This is the laughable situation Monty Don on Gardener’s World finds himself in. After planting all the hot climate plants that get slaughtered in winter or require expensive indoor/heated overwintering, he ratinalizes it by blaming the ever more extreme climate change!
Yep: Monty Don makes Monty Python look tame!
It’s all happened before.
I remember that following the drought summers in 1975 and 1976 the gardening magazines giving advice on how to make a Mediterranean garden to cope with the ‘change in the climate’. At the same time farmers were talking about changing their cropping to hot weather crops like maize and millet.
Come September the heavens opened, farmers had great difficulty with planting winter wheat and barley, and the rains continued until 1977 spring.
That was 50 years ago, is there some form of multi-decadal cycle?
According to the Climate Borg, the answer is no.
There is no multi-decadal cycle. It is a straight line to apocalypse.
Yeah but apparently its running AMOC
Yes there is. Somewhere around 50 to 60-ish years. Something-something Atlantic currents, something-something warmer fresh water in Labrador Sea creates a heat bubble which disrupts the arctic gyre which goes all wobbly, which causes cold arctic blast to penetrate south.
I tried searching on this website, but couldn’t find it. Judith Curry had it in a link of interesting research, but I don’t have a .edu account any more, hence couldn’t read it. In the paper, there were about seven interacting steps involved. Unfortunately this website’s search is all about returning pretty pictures and not snips of meat one could latch onto.
It’s Yorkshire for gods sake. I was born on Lancashire and still have multiple relatives in both shires, ( I’m now in Canada) I cannot recall any thing close to a med climate, sweaters in July yes.
The True Believers don’t get satire. In fact, they appear to have no senses of humour at all.
It’s okay now to invent stuff off the top of your head then claim it was ‘just satire’. Can we all do that?
“It’s okay now to invent stuff off the top of your head then claim it was ‘just satire’”
Are you saying the whole of the BBC and the Guardian is satire !!
So everything you pretend to believe, is based on satire.
Hilarious!
You look so stupid chewing both of your feet. !
I was just asking for a link to a scientific basis for the claim.
None, it seems, exists.
Just the usual media links and waffle.
If Homewood fell for that media stuff decades ago then that’s on him, not on climate scientists.
He’s the fool, not them.
Yet everything you cite is baseless media propaganda.
Are you so DUMB that you don’t realise that.
Accusing the BBC and the other MSM of LYING and FABRICATING.
Careful, little child, your fellow marxists will cancel you.
That the UK ”will become like the Med” is not made up by the media. It is reported from predictions of climate scientists. FOOL!
Same line I copied out to comment on.
2005
“”Olive groves, vines and sunflower fields could become hallmarks of the landscape in South-East England as global warming changes conditions.
Experts also say the English country garden is unlikely to survive in the South East in its present form.””
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4091068.stm
Maybe that jogged your memory?
He’s probably not that old. 🙂
I forgot my own rule of reading all posts before posting mine. Sorry, I just posted the same link.
All I can see there is a BBC headline mentioning “may turn UK Mediterranean” with a forecast date of 2080.
Even then, no scientist is quoted as saying the UK would have Mediterranean summers over any time frame mentioned in the article.
But you base all your idiocy and lack of knowledge on BBC and Guardian articles where “scientists say..”
South East could be as hot as the Mediterranean by 2033 (telegraph.co.uk)
Another FAIL from the fungal infection.
So your link to where the scientists decades ago claim that UK will have Mediterranean summers is where…?
Tumbleweeds….
“Tumbleweeds….”
How very introspective.. starting to see your own mind.
Admitting that the MSM is telling LIES.
A good start, little child.
”Experts warn that temperatures in the UK could be on a par with conditions in Spain, France and Italy within a decade”
What’s actually wrong with you?
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean
What you are actually doing is accusing the BBC of LYING.
Keep that in mind !
Oh God, it’s pathetic.
You really don’t listen to what your fellow AGW-collaborators in the far-left MSM say, do you. !
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean
South East could be as hot as the Mediterranean by 2033 (telegraph.co.uk)
See the numerous above answers to those links.
Nowhere is a scientist quoted as saying that the UK will have future Mediterranean summers in any of them.
You really should read these things you link to. Or get a child to read them for you and have them explain it to you.
Slowly.
So… you are accusing the BBC of LYING.
Or is the English language just another thing you are clueless about.
Maybe if you had passed basic comprehension at primary school level, you would be able to understand what they are saying.
We expect you never to use BBC or Guardian links again, now that you KNOW they are LIARS
Me thinks TFN may be lacking in some vital brain juices.
Not just the juices. !!
This only dates from 2019, so not decades ago. But it shows the line of travel:
In 30 years London will have a climate similar to that of Barcelona today, according to new research by the Crowther Lab in Zurich.
https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-could-have-a-mediterranean-climate-by-2050-and-no-thats-not-good-news-071619
So come back in 25 years and see if they got it right. Five years after this forecast, is London anywhere nearer a Mediterranwan climate than it was in 2019?
They said that in the 90s – especially after Rio.
1.6 million humans and the best soccer player of an era thought Barcelona’s climate was not too bad.
BBC, June 14th 2005:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4091068.stm
And there were earlier claims. Try searching yourself.
I do remember early 2000s BBC saying we would have to have Mediterranean style gardens to cope with the heat , and of course snow in the Uk would be a thing of the past . I would imagine they have rooted out quietly these false predictions.
Right, but that is a broadcaster, not a scientific paper or organisation.
Yet that is what you base all your ignorance on, MSM propaganda..
… can’t have it both ways.
So still no link to where scientists claimed decades ago that the UK would have Mediterranean summers?
Been a long time now and the closest we got was a BBC reporter speculating, without reference, to some time in the 2080s… maybe.
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean
You seem to be saying that the BBC is making up statements, and conferences, and experts, that never actually happened.
ie…. that the BBC is producing total fantasy and fiction.
Finally you might be on the right track… starting to see reality.
But I doubt it very much.
.
You have forgotten the first rule of holes, when you’re in one stop digging, put down your shovel lad.
One has to travel back in time to the Midievel Optimum to find Mediterranean-like weather in the British Isles.
This brings us no closer to establishing which scientific groups or papers were promising decades ago that the UK would have Mediterranean summers.
Yet everything you go on and on and on about… is “scientists say….”
Suddenly, when you have painted yourself into a corner, that isn’t good enough for you.
Hilarious, and a mark of your stupidity.
Still no closer.
Yep, you are still stuck far on the negative side of reality.
Except you have now admitted that whenever the BBC prints things “scientists say”, “experts say”, etc etc..
..they are just making it up and LYING through their teeth.
Remember that whenever you feel like posting a link to the BBC or other far-left propaganda site.
Wasn’t there a Mediterranean climate in England during the Roman Warm Period oh so many years ago? So, if Mediterranean climate returned, it would not be due to CAGW or any other reason other than natural change. Don’t researchers look back further than 10 minutes to see what happened in the past? No, I guess not.
The Climate Borg have a hive mind afflicted with ADD.
Apparently there is one group who would welcome a warmer climate in the UK and one that thinks it is very bad. For myself, living in Ireland, and for everyone in Scotland i wish it would happen. I have a perfect climate in mind which involves some frost the winter ( instead of the awful cold rain we get where i live), just enough rain in spring and a warm to hot summer w some heatwaves to refer to in hindsight. Basically mid to south of France, northern Italy.
According to the precepts of Climate Science DuJour going back further than yesterday, other than to Tune Models, is verboten
I don’t know, I wasn’t there.
But in what way is that relevant (even if it’s true) to the claim that decades ago we were promised Mediterranean summers in the UK?
Now you decide not to listen to the BBC and Guardian.
Very funny !
I asked for the scientific claims. There don’t seem to be any.
It is great that you now ADMIT that you have known all along, that every time the MSM says “scientists say…”
… they are just LYING and FABRICATING.
Short memory then.
Long, grasping hands and arms, though.
By all means fill it in.
Point to the scientists who decades ago were promising Mediterranean summers for the UK.
No one else has managed to so far.
Be the first.
So you will now not use any report that says “scientists say”.. or “experts say” ..
Right ! We will never hear your stupidity again.
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean
Just point to the scientific articles.
If the BBC or anyone else is siting them then you should be able to find them on your links.
I looked but I don’t see any.
So we’re agreeing that Homewood just made this up on the basis of a BBC News article?
‘citing’, not ‘siting’, sorry.
Poor trapped little fungal.
He can never again use a far-left article that says “scientists say”.
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean
He is saying that the BBC is constantly making up statements, and conferences, and experts, that never actually happened.
What part of ”say scientists” don’t you understand?
Are you saying the BBC just made that up from thin air?
Yep, seems that fungal is admitting that it has known all along that “making-it-up” was the BBC meme.
So every post he has made in the past has been a DELIBERATE LIE.
That was last year, Redge; not ‘decades ago’.
Here’s one recent link, TheFinalNail.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/weather-expert-warns-uk-hotspots-30568739
The Mirror, I know, but I read many such accounts of the Met Office promising us a Mediterranean climate many years previously. The MSM gleefully carries on reporting such things even after the Met Office started winding it’s neck in.
Seek them and you shall find them.
Last year, again…. (Jeez!)
The late Beth Chatto, an English plantswoman, in 1991, set up her drought-resistant garden in what used to be a carpark. This was in response to being told England would have a Mediterranean climate soon. In the 43 years since, nothing has changed.
Right, so where did Beth get her info?
Point to her scientific source and this will all be settled.
‘Climate Scientists’ were telling everyone that Global Warming was making the whole world ever hotter and drier and Britain would be as hot as the Mediterranean. I remember this nonsense we’ll!
There is no scientific source for any of the climate change narrative. If you have proper scientific evidence for it, with no models or waffle, that takes into account the intrinsic, immutable characteristics of the CO2 molecule, please tell me so I can check it.
This question never seems to be answered. I just can’t get the information. Why not?
BBC NEWS | UK | Climate may turn UK Mediterranean 2005 !
Hey that’s only 1.9 and a bit decades ago, so not plural.
I do encourage everyone to click on it for the laugh though, a total smorgasboard of non-existent experts spouting sh!te.
EDITED: to warn everybody to watch out for them dastardly parakeets.
Exactly my point.
AFAIK, no claims were made by climate scientists decades ago that the UK would have a future Mediterranean summer climate.
It’s just the usual strawman garbage we have come to expect here.
“…a total smorgasboard of non-existent experts spouting sh!te.
WOW, fungal has finally realised just what all the far-left MSM hype is all about.
Next it will turn into a died-in-the-wool REALIST. 🙂
Fair point but, of course, you then have to admit that the lying BBC has been able to convince many readers that, in fact, the sh!te spouted by the voices in their writer’s heads was from experts who were purportedly climate scientists. As we both, and everyone else on here knows, anything climate from the Baghdad Bob Corporation, the Guardian and the other usual suspects is a pack of short pants schoolboy politics lies.
Experts claim…..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/09/south-east-hot-as-the-mediterranean-by-2033/
Every public institution, agency etc etc has been captured. In true Orwellian style the National Trust has become the Anti-National Trust. Now charged with orchestrating self-loathing, guilt and shame across its portfolio.
“”Celia Richardson had been director of communications at the National Trust for nearly two years when it published a piece of “depthless virtue signalling” (the Telegraph), a “charge sheet and a hit list” (the Spectator), “one of the most intellectually fraudulent documents I’ve ever read” (the Daily Mail). The object of this ire was a rather dry, academic report into the Trust’s links with colonialism and slavery. But the apoplexy it provoked has forced Richardson to spend the past three years insisting that the charity has not, in fact, been captured by “shrill, demented, wokery” (the Sun).””
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/views/people/64486/woke-national-trust-restore-trust-charity
““National Trust under fire for changing ‘ethnic minority’ to ‘global majority’””
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/national-trust-woke-row-ethnic-minority-global-majority/
So, why would ‘the climate’ be any different?
“”This Climate and Environment Policy describes our climate change response, including our target to be carbon net zero by 2030, and to embed climate change adaptation into our decision making.””
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/who-we-are/about-us/our-climate-and-environment-policy
Your average mediaeval castle or stately home is hardly heat pump material. Draughty, or what? Hopefully the NT knows why they had those large fireplaces….
National Anti-Trust
Andy Sturgeon lives in a fantasy universe. With his ‘expert’ choices of plants from faraway he will not have solved the non-existing climate ‘crisis ’ but likely have introduced a few exotic invasive species into the north of England.
Which is why I support our local foxes.
There is no escape from the dooming planting trees-
Trees might be making cities hotter as climate warms (msn.com)
So come to accept the dooming let the dooming flow over you and immerse yourself in the feel of the dooming to find your inner peace.
The headline is obviously for click bait. It does not present the context of the article, which is to say selection of tree varieties needs to be considered along with water sources to get maximum cooling.
From the article: “Surviving the extreme British climate”
Now that’s funny!
What extreme climate?
Climate Alarmists live on another planet.
Extremely tedious…
Resistance to the dooming is futile so pity them that they have not progressed to a higher level of understanding and peace with Tantric dooming. Ummmmmm…
Extremely damp and foggy?
We’ve been in the south of England, and the climate is very extreme, compared to our home in Southern California. We spent February in NZ, and when in Queenstown, in the summer, it was colder than it was back home in Southern California, and it was winter here.
We actually live in a Mediterranean climate, and its just fine.
Per Statista data, the top six tourism destinations for UK residents in 2019-2023 are all located south of the UK – either in the Mediterranean (Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Portugal), or featuring a lot of warm weather destination (US). Ireland, which has a similar climate as GB, is #7, and Germany comes in at #12.
Sure looks like Brits seem to appreciate those warmer climes and heat tolerant gardens a lot.
Living here the only way is south
Am I going to be the first to mention that that garden looks pretty crap?
prettypettyXeriscape is the new beautiful. Didn’t you know that?
In our city if you remove your lawn, you get paid. Remove your irrigation and get paid. Promise to plant Xeriscape and get your permit approved faster.
Well, I too have a lupin it’s in a pot on my porch and it looks a lot better than that scrawny sh!t in the photo but, then again, I am a climate refugee from Yorkshire to California, and we have loadsa water in our reservoirs now, which is directly proportional to the number of people not whining about California droughts – a hibernating breed of nitwit humans.
Can I apply for some money? I can provide my birth certificate. Come on – your money or your lupins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJo3wwRCdhU
This redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.
Slightly off topic, but this is in the FT today:
“One of the largest wildfires in California’s history has burnt through swaths of forest earmarked for conservation under carbon credit plans backed by companies including oil refining and power groups.
The blaze so far covering 450,000 acres, known as the Park Fire, has destroyed around 45,000 acres of trees enrolled in California’s carbon offset programme, according to estimates by non-profit research group CarbonPlan.
Other fires earlier this year also affected more than 29,000 acres of forest in Washington state and New Mexico that are also part of California’s carbon credit programme, according to the analysis, with buyers including Chevron, Shell and BP.”
WHOOPS!!
Thanks, very interesting: https://www.ft.com/content/a3eb4cd4-b9df-458a-83c0-9a38d5202a48
Also a little tangential, but I had promised to follow up on this story on another thread:
Gary Stephen Maynard, a former criminology professor, was sentenced to 63 months (over five years) in federal prison for setting multiple fires in California during the summer of 2021. He pleaded guilty to three counts of arson on federal property. The sentence was handed down by Judge Daniel J. Calabretta of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California. In addition to the prison term, Maynard will be on supervised release for three years and is required to pay over $13,000 in restitution
This was the arsonist who set fires behind the firefighter lines. At the time, there was discussion about some other arsonists setting fires to prove that climate change caused wildfires. This guy’s motives appear to have been unspecified mental health issues.
The FT is a mini Guardian – obsessed with climate change and with ‘Comments’ predominantly inhabited by mindless alarmist zealots.
Format apology. The middle bit is what I got from perplexity.ai . The last few sentences are mine, in case it wasn’t clear.
The indications of his mental health issues are:
*progressive bent, and support of progressives.
*inability for employment in the private sector.
*his awe & respect of the damage of previous arsons, and the unknown associated arsonists.
*his apparent need to deny being a narcissist.
*He was fired from Chattanooga for his (violent) relationship with a student (but no bad references when going on to other jobs).
*One Student Review:
This is the most ridiculous class I’ve taken at Santa Clara — an extreme outlier and an embarrassment to this institution. I’m usually skeptical when I hear my friends talk about how their professors ‘don’t teach’ or are ‘crazy.’ But this was truly the case with this class. The instructor’s lectures covered content only tangentially relevant to the course (they were mostly odd rants about celebrities and tech company founders), and multiple times per quarter, I questioned his well-being. He appeared to be vaguely psychotic.
His specified mental health issues are:
*his severe TDS
*imagined/rationalized, autism-spectrum disorder (to make himself unique).
*narcissist
*overall giant of a psycho
5 years is not enough.
Wow just WOW. These people walk among us (although fortunately, this one doesn’t any more).
So much for Carbon capture….
The carbon was captured. It became smoke and CO2 and was captured by the earth’s climate system.
They must have meant carbon-cycle capture?
It will be OK. They will regrow, which means that they will sequester twice as much carbon as originally promised 🙂
Can I just take this opportunity to thank my down voters?
Outraged and tongue tied
Fanx guys/gals/whatever
Good story tip – The EV Scam: A Likely Reason for So Epic a Folly – PJ Media
Excerpt/spoiler for other potential link followers:
“The lithium-ion battery is an IED waiting to detonate, flammable, corrosive, and toxic. My neighbor, a Director of Engineering for a major tech firm, cautions: “Never park an EV in an enclosed garage. Not if you value your house.”“
And the actual theme, about halfway through:
“The real issue has to do with the ongoing battle between a market economy and a command economy, between a business-oriented system and a centripetal Marxist political organization, and between an individualistic political economy and oligarchic socialism.“
I’d change “house” to “life” – it’s gonna happen sooner or later
Your neighbor is correct.
Except it is correctly stated as LiPO (Lithium Ion Polymer Organic).
China is experiencing 3000 battery fires (e-scooters) a year. The rate is 1 in 15K (0.007%) and people are dying due to those fires.
All batteries containing lithium are lithium ion.
Li-SOCl2 (lithium thionyl chloride), for example is a non-rechargeable (primary) chemistry that does not emit flames during failure.
I know from personal experience and still have a scar on my leg due to me being careless and venting one.
“My neighbor, a Director of Engineering for a major tech firm, cautions: “Never park an EV in an enclosed garage. Not if you value your house.”“
OR, design, build and sell detached disposable garages!
As far as what they put in their garden, they can do whatever they want. Plants are cool. Gardens with variety and diversity are splendid.
but… “surviving the extreme British climate?”
I spewed my coffee when I read that.
I am changing my phraseology.
No longer is it the Climate Syndicate.
It is now the Climate Borg.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Existence as you know it is over.
No vineyards started yet on the north end of the island?
When I watch the Peanuts Thanksgiving cartoon special with Pilgrims sailing from Britain to Plymouth, I always think “why did they not aim the ship about a thousand miles South? Winter. Why?!
Will any of these be the invasive species of the future?
P{} > 0
“Predicted” climate that didn’t materialize and blew up progress on the gardens. Another Leftist waste of resources based on climate change lies.
I hope it can cope with snow.
I live in southern British Columbia, Canada. We were promised a California/Mediterranean climate some tipping points ago. Hasn’t turned up yet which is a shame–I had been looking forward to it being mild enough for some citrus trees in my backyard as well as an avocado tree.
If I lived there I’d burn cardboard boxes in my backyard after every Amazon delivery hoping “they” were right.
Sure, the whole world will be a desert, except for the parts underwater.
How moronic are people that believe this tripe?
If memory serves me I think bringing non native flora and fauna into a country can cause a lot of problems. I think they need to rethink their thinking.
The garden is just a start. I am sure they will soon exchange all their shoes and boots in favour of flip flops, and tear out their home insulation and windows to allow the fresh sea breezes to ventilate their cozy shanties year round. It’s only a matter of time before droves of folk clad in floral shirts and Bermuda shorts, slathered in sun screen and bug spray are reclining in hammocks strung from the trees in Hyde park in mid January.