By P Gosselin
Green energies in turmoil…projects being postponed, scaled back…
Europe’s largest green energy producer drastically reduces expansion plans for wind and solar energy
Europe’s green energy projects are in the doldrums. Photo: P. Gosselin
Europe’s leading green energy producer, Statkraft, is drastically scaling back its plans for new wind and solar power plants – due to falling electricity prices and rising costs, so reports Germany’s online Blackout News, a leading site for independent German energy news.
According to company CEO, Birgitte Vartdal, market conditions have become more difficult as the company’s ambitious targets for wind energy and solar power are now being called into question.
The new Statkraft target is two to two and a half GW instead of an originally planned 4 gigawatts annually.
“In the offshore wind energy sector, the Group is now planning a total output of six to eight GW. The original target was ten GW,” Blackout News adds.
The scaleback follows other Europeans countries’ plans to reduce expansion, including Danish energy company Orsted, which “has lowered its targets by more than ten GW” and has also “canceled two offshore wind projects in the USA and reported impairments amounting to 28.4 billion Danish kroner (approx. 3.8 billion euros).”
Portugal’s largest energy supplier, Energias de Portugal (EDP), has also reduced its investment plans – due to the “deterioration in market conditions.” Moreover, French energy supplier Engie earlier had postponed developing hydrogen projects.
Leading officials blame projects having become “much more challenging” and offering “no relative returns.”
As a result, solar and wind equipment manufacturers have seen their values plummeting and ESG equity funds have “recently suffered outflows of 38 billion dollars,” reports Blackout News.
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Make-Britain-a-Clean-Energy-Superpower….pdf
Now that the shouting is all over and the Labour Party has won the general election with a large majority, we now see that Ed Milliband is back in position as Minister for Net Zero.
I have taken the opportunity to read the Labour Party plans for achieving Net Zero, and I must say that it makes depressing reading.
There is lots of guff about green jobs and how it is all going to be achieved by 2030.
The only country that looks to benefit will be China as we don’t have the industrial base to produce the equipment needed, and how many trained engineers have we got twiddling their thumbs waiting to join the Green workforce. I can’t see many of the 3 million people currently on benefits being up to the job.
I wonder how long it will take for the new government to come to their senses?
“I wonder how long it will take for the new government to come to their senses?”
When electricity prices double?
I think we are going to have Idiocracy in Action in the UK. Labour’s Net Zero efforts will destroy the UK economy and will eventually get them voted out of office. Maybe they should bring some American Democrats over to show them how to steal elections, and then they can remain in power no matter what happens.
That’s what Marxists do, isn’t it?
When electricity prices double?
No, when the first nationwide blackout happens. That means cold start, which takes a couple of weeks. And during that time there is no heating (because all boilers need electricity to work). No hot water. No cooking. No lights. No trains. Emergency backups running out of fuel, so no streetlights, hospitals and schools closing, mobile phones stopping working, laptops likewise. Gas stations pumps not working. Cash machines go down. Supermarkets can’t take payments or manage inventory.
Someone tell me I have this wrong, and that a nationwide blackout will not have these effects or won’t take a couple of weeks to restart. All I can see is people sitting in freezing houses wrapped in duvets eating cold food out of tins, getting their news from radios and their light from candles. Assuming they have the tins and the candles. And if they are old, dying.
AKA too damned expensive to build at a profit without increasing electricity rates from merely Ridiculously Expensive to Orwellian Prohibitively Expensive
You are right. Often the subsidies hide the true cost of renewable energy. In Texas, we just created a Texas Energy Fund to provide loans and grants to companies building reliable energy sources. The $5B in funds come from the general revenue funds (tax dollars) rather than electricity charges. If things were honest, there would have been charges to the unreliable sources (wind and solar) to pay for the backup reliability. Then customers would have seen the true cost to these renewables. Many support a philosophy of demand reduction. They talk about conserving our way our of increasing electric demands. Of course, the ultimate form of demand reduction is energy rationing. And, the ultimate form of rationing are blackouts. When those happen, and they will, that is when the people will push back
Food in the fridge and freezer rots
About two years at a guess, if the UK ignores the lessons learn by all other governments trying unsuccessfully to implement NZ with a fast transition, that are now slowing down installation of wind and solar plants due to rising costs and public opposition. If they are smart, and firm their renewables with gas, coal and nuclear plants to keep power costs down, then the UK government have every chance of seeing out their full term. But will they be flexible enough to do this simple strategy to achieve power security? Not if the power is still in ED Milbrand’s hands in two years- that one is too full of ideology to change his spots and listen to reason. let’s hope Sir Kier has the wisdom to face this challenge.
They don’t come to their senses. They just get knocked silly with their certain-to-fail policies. Take courage. EU/UK Peak Renewables occurred in 2017.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/07/06/europes-green-energy-plans-stall-as-leading-companies-reduce-expansion-plans/#comment-3936415
Still not true but hey, just
A picture of luser’s mind !!
A spongy, non-functional blob.
Heh, indeed.
Sorry MyUser but I choose NOT to believe the Climate Doomsayers, the Unreliable Energy Pervaricators and the Climate Crisis Prognosticators.
Just the latest form of Snake Oil Salesmen
Governments are not going to come to their senses.
Sabine Hossenfelder has now publicly announced she is embarrassed to be German for exactly this reason.
https://youtu.be/W1ZZ-Yni8Fg?si=6xpAwJAbFCQtvUej
Doonman:
per the video: Hossenfelder is embarassed at Germany’s poor energy decisions, but she still wants to decarbonize the economy [ie get off fossil fuels] and yet seems to also want a continued industrial policy run by the same government that made all these bad decisions..
Cognitive dissonance indeed!
So, more government subsidies and everyone pays more for their “cheaper” green electricity through the tax system…
Economic reality strikes again.
We are really out of synch with the EU.
Maybe EU renewables outfits should drop mad monk Miliband a line.
Sadly, Baldrick Miliband’s cunning plan is to found Great British Energy to do the investing. Buckle Up, taxpayers.
We can’t manufacture anything here for emissions reduction purposes
The Obama/Clinton holdover cabal, using demented, dysfunctional Biden as their figurehead, has moved to align with the EU’s W/S/Battery/EV/heat pump craziness,
TheEuropean conglomerates were licking their chops at the prospect of 30,000 MW offshore on the US east coast by 2030, of which only about 100 MW has been built after two years. They just love Biden’s gravy train
The rest of offshore is in cost limbo, because costs/kWh turned out much greater (say about 15 c/kWh wholesale, after Owners received about 50% subsidies) than bandied about by an assortment of ignorant proponents; many of them knew better, but were lying through their teeth anyway, because, as they facetiously claim, we are saving the world.
We are so screwed.
Trump needs to win by a landslide to oust the corrupt, socialist Democrat barnacles, and undo 4 years of damage, that has increased inflation, increased interest rates, and lowered our standard of living
We are so screwed.
It doesn’t look good. Anyone but Biden & Co!
Trump needs to win by a landslide and republicans need to take control of both chambers – that is, republicans with backbones – and take a scorched earth approach to ridding ourselves of useless or in some cases, damaging agencies. We need Project 25 on steroids. The democratic party is evil, thoroughly corrupt and needs to be eliminated.
Trump World ‘panicking’ as Project 2025 gets on the radar of voters
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo214312005740
I hear Biden identifies as a black woman.
That’s pretty “”weird”” to say the least
Biden’s bad week just got worse after he said he was the ‘first Black woman to serve with a Black president’https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-proud-first-black-woman-serve-white-house-slip-2024-7?op=1
Your kind of weirdo.
With his interview yesterday, democrats can be reassured that Biden is at least as delusional as they are.
https://pjmedia.com/paula-bolyard/2024/07/05/disaster-biden-completely-out-of-touch-with-reality-in-abc-interview-n4930419
Suspending my disbelief has become a full time job.
Joe could pull it off.
He does share the same good looks and intelligent expressions of one of his comrades.
Why is this panic not reflected in the Trump – Biden poll numbers? Could this be wishful thinking on your part perhaps?
Trump World or TDS World?
Is this the same MSNBC that ran the “Russian Collusion” and “Hunter Biden’s Laptop” fake news stories right up to the point where they stopped running them without any explanations of why / how they got their reportage so wrong in the first place?
MSNBC’s credibility is only accepted by the credulous.
According to Simon the Communist I need to read the lies spewed by the Fake News from MSLSD and CNN to get a full picture.
As opposed to the bunch of corrupt totalitarian LUSERS that stand behind the dementia-ridden nonce that is Biden ?
The far-left “march through the institutions” etc that threatens to destroy western societies around the world ?
Yes, a big broom is needed to clear out all this scum and detritus.
The 4 main tenets of Project 25
1… restore the family as the centrepiece of American life;
2… dismantle the administrative state;
3… defend the nation’s sovereignty and borders;
4… and secure God-given individual rights to live freely.”
Which one do you disagree with. ??
Not a fair question.
You know that MUN can’t comprehend numbers.
Especially if comparative values are involved.
Like “capacity” vs “produced” for example.
Eliminate all government departments and agencies, etc., not specifically authorized by the US Constitution, starting with the Department of Education.
All those tasks are the province of the 50 sovereign states, that formed a UNION, and delegated powers to that UNION. such as freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, etc.
Floating Offshore Wind Systems in the Impoverished State of Maine
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/floating-offshore-wind-systems-in-the-impoverished-state-of-maine
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Despite the meager floating offshore MW in the world, pro-wind politicians, bureaucrats, etc., aided and abetted by the lapdog Main Media and “academia/think tanks”, in the impoverished State of Maine, continue to fantasize about building 3,000 MW of 850-ft-tall floating offshore wind turbines by 2040!!
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Maine government bureaucrats, etc., in a world of their own climate-fighting fantasies, want to have about 3,000 MW of floating wind turbines by 2040; a most expensive, totally unrealistic goal, that would further impoverish the already-poor State of Maine for many decades.
Those bureaucrats, etc., would help fatten the lucrative, 20-y, tax-shelters of mostly out-of-state, multi-millionaire, wind-subsidy chasers, who likely have minimal regard for: 1) Impacts on the environment and the fishing and tourist industries of Maine, and 2) Already-overstressed, over-taxed, over-regulated Maine ratepayers and taxpayers, who are trying to make ends meet in a near-zero, real-growth economy.
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Those fishery-destroying, 850-ft-tall floaters, with 24/7/365 strobe lights, visible 30 miles from any shore, would cost at least $7,500/ installed kW, or at least $22.5 billion, if built in 2023 (more after 2023)
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Almost the entire supply of the Maine projects would be designed and made in Europe, then transported across the Atlantic Ocean, in European specialized ships, then unloaded at a new, $500-million Maine storage/pre-assembly/staging/barge-loading area, then barged to European specialized erection ships for erection of the floating turbines. The financing will be mostly by European pension funds.
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About 500 Maine people would have jobs during the erection phase
The other erection jobs would be by specialized European people, mostly on cranes and ships
About 200 Maine people would have long-term O&M jobs, using European spare parts, during the 20-y electricity production phase.
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-signs-bill-create-jobs-advance-clean-energy-and-fight-climate-change-through
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The Maine people have much greater burdens to look forward to for the next 20 years, courtesy of the Governor Mills incompetent, woke bureaucracy that has infested the state government
The Maine people need to finally wake up, and put an end to the climate scare-mongering, which aims to subjugate and further impoverish them, by voting the entire Democrat woke cabal out and replace it with rational Republicans in 2024
The present course leads to financial disaster for the impoverished State of Maine and its people.
The purposely-kept-ignorant Maine people do not deserve such maltreatment
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Electricity Cost: Assume a $750 million, 100 MW project consists of foundations, wind turbines, cabling to shore, and installation at $7,500/kW.
Production 100 MW x 8766 h/y x 0.40, CF = 350,640,000 kWh/y
Amortize bank loan for $525 million, 70% of project, at 6.5%/y for 20 years, 13.396 c/kWh.
Owner return on $225 million, 30% of project, at 10%/y for 20 years, 7.431 c/kWh
Offshore O&M, about 30 miles out to sea, 8 c/kWh.
Supply chain, special ships, and ocean transport, 3 c/kWh
All other items, 4 c/kWh
Total cost 13.396 + 7.431 + 8 + 3 + 4 = 35.827 c/kWh
Less 50% subsidies (ITC, 5-y depreciation, interest deduction on borrowed funds) 17.913 c/kWh
Owner sells to utility at 17.913 c/kWh
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NOTE: The above prices compare with the average New England wholesale price of about 5 c/kWh, during the 2009 – 2022 period, 13 years, courtesy of:
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Gas-fueled CCGT plants, with low-cost, low-CO2, very-low particulate/kWh
Nuclear plants, with low-cost, near-zero CO2, zero particulate/kWh
Hydro plants, with low-cost, near-zero-CO2, zero particulate/kWh
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Cabling to Shore Plus $Billions for Grid Expansion on Shore: A high voltage cable would be hanging from each unit, until it reaches bottom, say about 200 to 500 feet.
The cables would need some type of flexible support system
There would be about 5 cables, each connected to sixty, 10 MW wind turbines, making landfall on the Maine shore, for connection to 5 substations (each having a 600 MW capacity, requiring several acres of equipment), then to connect to the New England HV grid, which will need $billions for expansion/reinforcement to transmit electricity to load centers, mostly in southern New England.
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Floating Offshore a Major Burden on Maine People: Over-taxed, over-regulated, impoverished Maine people would buckle under such a heavy burden, while trying to make ends meet in the near-zero, real-growth Maine economy. Maine folks need lower energy bills, not higher energy bills.
The CO2 climate hoax cabal, including the IPCC, has been able to use phony, corrupted “world” temp measurements, and a hundred of even more phony, subjective, computerized temp models to mesmerize/befuddle enough ignorant/naive people, so self-serving, moneyed elites, using government-aggrandizing, self-serving politicians and bureaucrats, get themselves subsidized with our hard-earned money, to implement dysfunctional wind/solar/battery/EV/heat pump “solutions” to an alleged “problem”?
And the West will sanction others into poverty, who do not follow the West-determined, rules-based order?
The BRICS+ countries, currently 10 members, a fast growing group with more than 20 applicants, likely will say to the West, go stuff it.
Anyone know if there are any EFTs for BRICS+10 on any exchanges?
I want out of a few of my DEI / ESG lame ducks.
From the article: “Europe’s leading green energy producer, Statkraft, is drastically scaling back its plans for new wind and solar power plants – due to falling electricity prices and rising costs”
Where are electricity prices falling? They are certainly not falling for the consumers.
Perhaps “electricity prices” refers to the amount of money the windmill and solar companies get paid. Perhaps that has been reduced.
But there’s no way electricty prices are falling for the customers. Nowhere in the world is that happening.
The wholesale prices have gone down a lot thanks to renewables in europe. So even if they scale back on new renewables, in this climate you won’t find anybody building new fossil or nuclear powerplants.
And my electricity bill went down thanks to renewables – after gas hiked it up.
You fail to think SYSTEMS.
Wind and solar, plus grid reinforcement/extension, plus the other generators operating inefficiently while doing the counteracting/balancing, all that added to the existing traditional systems, has made the whole, enlarged electrical system less reliable and more costly/kWh.
This is proven by EU statistics, which show, the more wind and solar kW per household, the higher the c/kWh, and German outage/instability/curtailment reports.
France is on the low end, due to 70% nuclear, already for decades.
The Germany economy has hit the wall in many areas, as a consequence of too much wind and solar, and open borders, and other distracting/chaos-creating BS.
MUN and his ilk have been presented with the actual costs figures of renewable many, many times, but they never acknowledge the realities or respond.
These flakes are the actual DENIERS.
Yes, I’ve seen the falling costs over the last two decades. And the rise of their eroi. Fossil fuels moved on both metrics in the opposite direction.
URLs?
The Cleantech Revolution
It’s exponential, disruptive, and now
https://rmi.org/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2024/06/RMI-Cleantech-Revolution-pdf.pdf
Not that slideshow again, where solar and wind are suddenly going to take off like a rocket launch from 2025 onwards.
Unless they don’t.
Well, they are manufactured in China where Rocket Launches often don’t go off without a hitch and the associated Detritus comes crashing down wherever
Yes that’s a very apt analogy for the predictions of sudden, miraculous vertical takeoff in volume roll-out of wind & solar starting next year.
More reality-based predictions are that China, the dominant source of panels, is fast heading into recessionary / austerity economic settings.
Meanwhile, they’re building hundreds of new coal-fueled power stations in order to keep the population from freezing and the lights on.
Except it is not actually happening
These 9 Charts Expose The Myth Of The Energy Transition (substack.com)
Also remember, wind and solar are very far from being “clean” technology.
They are both extremely environmentally destructive at production, installation and end-of short-life stages.
Odd silence from MUN. I wonder why.
Don’t forget to count your taxes that go to subsidize the ruinables.
What planet are you living on? It must be a mirror world to Earth, here engineering costs for renewables go up and so the price for consumers is higher, that’s economic reality and will remain so. Great to see ESG investments going down badly- couldn’t happen to nicer people!
Utterly delusional. This article explains how costly renewables actually are in Britain and can only increase electricity prices.
https://thecritic.co.uk/farage-bursts-the-green-bubble/
What do you say to the detailed numbers here:
https://thecritic.co.uk/farage-bursts-the-green-bubble/
Also to the similar numbers that Paul Homewood keeps publishing.
Its not the price you pay that is the best guide to how much wind and solar is costing the country. To get to that you have to add up the subsidies of all kinds, and take account of the costs that are over and above the subsidies.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2024/07/03/fits-cost-1-7bn-last-year/
Homewood estimates 533 sterling per household per year, at present. And its rising, not falling.
I suspect that green energy prices are crashing while the overall retail price is soaring. The reason being that the very high prices occur when wind and solar are not producing. So any new wind and solar are guaranteed not to be able to tap into the high prices. There is already oversupply of wind and solar at times, and prices are very low or even negative at those times. It makes no economic sense to bring on new green electricity and have to pay people to take it.
Mind you, it made no economic sense right from the start.
This will only accelerate battery development.
Been in development for over 30 years now, and no signs of catching up with physics and chemistry.
(Unless you count spontaneous Guy Fawkes night performances in “development”)
Kind of like fusion power. Always just out of reach
For example:
Like in a previous post.
bigga-da-badda-BOOM !
Very typical with an EV fire next to other EVs. One starts and 2 other adjacent also go up in smoke
Now if only they could solve the …
self immolation problem
weight problem
recharge rate problem
range problem
Tire wear issue
Affordability issue
Insurance situation
Cost/value situation
culminating in an associated desirability issue
and
the fact that materials need to be unsustainably mined to create them in quantity also that petrochemicals are required for lightweight parts needing oil and gas exploration, development, extraction and refinement
Other than that there almost what ICVs already are just … Less
You are obviously clueless about Chemical Thermodynamics. Or anything really.
Ah .. the miracle battery.. that will never exist.
And would require a massive increase in global mining, using fossil fuels, to provide anything even fractionally useful.
What a delusional Luser you are !
Any government with a major problem, like renewable energy failing, isn’t going to look at “only” one solution. They will look at a range of possible solutions if they have any intelligence, and then they will compare costs and benefits ……… like the stupid idiots didn’t do when they plunged into renewables in the first place.
In other words, batteries are just an attempt to make a terrible situation even worse..
To get specific, the plans are to raise wind and solar as follows.
[The amount currently installed is in brackets.]
onshore wind 35 GW [15.4]
offshore wind 55 GW [14.6
floating 5 GW [80 MW)
solar, roughly 50 GW [about 15 GW]
So this is about 145 GW total, which is supposed to run a modern industrial economy with a peak demand north of 45 GW at present, and that is before you add heat pumps and EVs.
There is no mention in any of Labour’s plans of how much storage or backup is proposed to deal with intermittency.
And to get specific about intermittency, imagine January 2030 at 5pm during the usual blocking high, its cold, clear, calm and dark. No solar. The 95 GW of wind will be producing under 10 GW. Interconnect and nuclear etc about 20 GW if you are lucky. Demand will be well north of 45 GW, say about 60 GW.
There is going to be a 30 GW shortfall. At least, because there will be periods when wind is well under 10 GW. And this will go on for a week or more.
Blackouts. Its the inevitable consequence of these plans. And not just rolling blackouts, nationwide ones with cold start taking a week or two. And when you get it all working again, if you can, along comes another blocking high….
This is a mixture of stupidity and wishful thinking. It cannot be made to work.
re:
onshore wind 35 GW
offshore wind 55 GW
solar, roughly 50 GW
These figures are the maximum sustainable output. The minimum sustainable output should always be given as well:
onshore wind -3.5 GW
offshore wind -5.5 GW
solar, exactly 0 W
WIND TURBINES USE ELECTRICITY FROM GRID
NB. The minimum for solar might actually be lower.
During strong winds, with rotors feathered and locked, each wind turbine continues to DRAW 480 V electricity to keep all the systems going, 24/7/365.
It amounts to about 1 – 2% of annual production, usually treated as an operating expense, but that electricity has to be produced by the other generating plants. It comes in via a utility meter.
So actually, assuming your numbers are right, the total demand during a cold clear dark calm will be higher than normal peak demand from users by about 10%? Eg if its 50 GW peak, when wind falls close to zero the effect is to raise demand to 55+ GW?
Seems high, but OK, if its correct it adds to the disaster. Among other things it would mean that overbuilding is a hiding to nowhere. Suppose you install 200 GW in the effort to supply your 50 GW peak demand more reliably. Then that, when there is a dead calm, will add another 20 GW to peak demand, so now you have to find not 50 but 70 from somewhere. Hopeless.
But then a miracle happens ?
Yes, Biden claims he rode a commuter train on the Delaware River Bridge, that never had any RR tracks.
How about that for a miracle?
Oh, he also said his uncle was eaten by Cannibals in New Guinea
Let’s give him four more years, to keep his son company, in a jail somewhere, above the Arctic circle, in Alaska
Up until about a week ago, he was “sharp as a tack, never been better mentally,” so said the MSN. Democrats were trying to push the “cheap fakes” narrative only a week or so before that, when our ears and eyes told us a different story.
It will be a miracle if he makes it to election day. Being next in line, Kamala is on her knees. Praying?
You can bet Kamala wants to be president. The only way she can get it is to have it handed to her. She couldn’t win it on her own.
If she does become president, then we will have a genuine Idiocracy because she is a genuine idiot.
At least Biden has the excuse of being demented.
Kackles is just stupid…
Biden also says, “oh, never mind” a lot. When he loses his train of thought and can’t get it back, which happens almost every day..
Biden is getting so bad he is having a difficult time trash-talking Trump. Yesterday, he started in on a lie about Trump and an American military cemetary in France, but he lost his train of thought, and said, “oh, never mind”.
Biden really is losing control of his faculties if he can’t manage to bash Trump. Biden was very good at trashing Republicans and Conservative in the past, but it looks like he has lost his Mojo.
I saw Biden approach his airplane yesterday. His airplane has two military troops standing at attention on either side of the steps. The proticol is for the president to return the salute of the troops as he passes by, but yesterday, instead of saluting, Biden gave the troops a “thumbs up” gesture. It’s just a little thing. One more tell.
Every Brandon attempt at a sentence now starts with “Look, …” and degenerates into oatmeal from there.
Yes, Biden is deteriorating right in front of our eyes. Has been for years. And Biden was extremely stupid and wrong about things before the brain damage set in. He would have abandoned Afghanistan even on a good day.
Texas is a good example. Right now, our demand is 71.5 MW. Reliables are providing 72.5% (Natural gas 50.4%, Coal/lignite 15.2% and nuclear 6.9%) our electricity. Unreliables are producing 27.5%. Wind has an installed capacity of 39,073 MW and is producing………1,696 MW or 4.3% of its installed capacity. During high demand periods this a frequent occurrence. When our real demand spikes at 85+ MW we will have some problems.
Every grid in the United States is under pressure because they are all adding too much in the way of unreliable windmills and solar to their grids.
When the unreliables get to about 25 or 30 percent of a grid’s generating capacity, the grids start having problems.
Disturbances are high, especially when demand is low, but winds are strong.
What to do with all that surplus wind power?
In Germany, an 800-lb gorilla in wind power, if it cannot export it at 0 or negative wholesale prices, it gets curtailed, and Owners are paid, as if they had generated that power.
None of that shows up in the low contract price, widely distributed to naive people, who are purposely kept misinformed..
The costs get buried in slop accounts, already for decades.
Nothing is allowed to be revealed that shows any bad light on the W/S fairy tale.
The subterfuge, obfuscation, and other shenanigans would make the CIA envious.
“The new Statkraft target is two to two and a half GW instead of an originally planned 4 gigawatts annually.”
Since gigawatts is a measure of power, not energy, the word “annually” makes no sense here.
New installed capacity per year,
Yes, they are talking about installed nominal capacity per annum. So the stated reduction is per annum, not one-off.
Capacity.
So when we’re talking wind & solar nameplate, we realistically need > 3 times that figure installed in generated watts to meet the demand loads.
No, its between 5 and 10 times the peak demand figure. Because you have periods of calm lasting several days when production is below 10% of faceplate, and a low may coincide with a peak in demand. You can see this happening in the UK if you go to gridwatch. Look how low the UK production lows are in my post above.
Even at 5 to 10 times peak demand, you still need lots of storage. Otherwise it only takes one drop to nothing for a half hour and you’re looking at blackouts. Storage or gas has to be able to supply 100% of demand for some period. How long for depends on your risk tolerance and on the local weather pattern over decades. Days, certainly.
There is no way to avoid the necessity for being able to supply total demand for some period.
Thanks Michel.
To quote that much-used alarmists’ expression –
it’s worse than we thought . . . “
NO, do not use average output..
To get reliable generation number you need a “reliability of supply” number.
eg, what % of nameplate can reliably be supplied say 80% of the time
For wind, that number will be less than 10%
For coal, or gas that number will be well above 80%
eg , before Hazelwood power station closed, the three remaining units was each running at more than 100% of rated capacity for several week.
You still haven’t figured out that capacity and output are not the same thing.
He never will.
Fossil Fuel installation out-paces renewables.
And renewables only provide a fraction of installed capacity, when they feel like it. !
A parasite on any electrical grid.
These 9 Charts Expose The Myth Of The Energy Transition (substack.com)
Read it and learn, this time.
Don’t choose to be deliberately ignorant.
It means nameplate rating, MW, of additional offshore and onshore wind turbines.
It means sales by wind turbine manufacturers and the whole supply chain located in Europe
It has nothing to do with power or energy
It has everything to do with keeping Europeans busy and the moneyed elites making more money, by screwing everyone else.
The wind/solar scam is done, because of the selling of the IPCC CO2 control-knob hoax, whereas, in 2023, on a retained energy basis, CO2 retained only 0.39% of all retained energy in the atmosphere
We are so screwed!
Retained Energy (Enthalpy) in Atmosphere Equals Global Warming
About 5.5 million EJ/y from the sun enters the top of atmosphere, and almost as much leaves,
Some energy is retained in the atmosphere on a continuing basis
Retained energy, RE, is a net effect of the interplay of the sun, atmosphere, earth surface (land and water), and flora and fauna, i.e., all effects are accounted for, including radiation, evaporation, condensation, precipitation
WV in the TS, up to about 1.5 km, is nearly constant at 9 g/kg of dry air
WV decreases from about 2.5 g to less than 0.3 g, from 2 km to 6 km, per balloon measurements
WV percent above 2 km is small compared to total WV
Assume:
For 2023, WV near the surface is 9 g/kg dry air (14,500 ppm) at TS = 16 C
For 1900, WV is 8.244 g/kg dry air (13,282 ppm) at TS = 14.8 C
This method is suitable to objectively approximate the RE role of CO2
As temperatures, pressures and WV vary with elevation, specific heat contents vary, and RE calculations are needed at each elevation, for more accurate RE values. That complex method was avoided for simplicity.
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NOTE: This short video shows, CO2 plays no detectable RE role in the world’s driest places, with 421 ppm CO2 and minimal WV ppm
https://youtu.be/QCO7x6W61wc
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Specific enthalpy of Dry Air and Water Vapor
ha = Cpa x T = 1006 kJ/kg.C x T, where Cpa is specific heat dry air
hg = (2501 kJ/kg, specific enthalpy WV at 0 C) + (Cpwv x T = 1.84 kJ/kg x T), where Cpwv is specific heat WV at constant pressure
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1a) In 1900, world enthalpy moist air, at T = 14.8 C and H = 0.008244 kg WV/kg dry air (13,282 ppm)
h = ha + H.hg = 1.006T + H(2501 + 1.84T) = 1.006 (14.8) + 0.008244 {2501 + 1.84 (14.8)} = 35.732 kJ/kg dry air
RE dry air is 14.889 kJ/kg; RE WV is 20.843 kJ/kg
1b) In 2023, world enthalpy moist air, at T = 16 C and H = 0.009 kg WV/kg dry air (14,500 ppm)
1.006 (16) + 0.009 {2501 + 1.84 (16)} = 38.870 kJ/kg dry air
RE dry air is 16.096 kJ/kg; RE WV is 22.774 kJ/kg
https://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-the-Enthalpy-of-Moist-Air#:~:text=The%20equation%20for%20enthalpy%20is,specific%20enthalpy%20of%20water%20vapor.
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Specific enthalpy CO2, in 1900
h = Cp CO2 x K = 0.833 x (14.8 + 273) = 239.8 kJ/kg CO2, where Cp CO2 is specific heat
World enthalpy CO2 = {(296 x 44)/(1000000 x 29) = 0.000449 kg CO2/kg dry air} x 239.8 kJ/kg CO2 @ur momisugly 287.8 K = 0.108 kJ/kg dry air
Specific enthalpy CO2, in 2023
h = Cp CO2 x K = 0.834 x (16 + 273) = 241.2 kJ/kg CO2, where Cp CO2 is specific heat
World enthalpy CO2 = {(421 x 44)/(1000000 x 29) = 0.000639 kg CO2/kg dry air} x 241.2 kJ/kg CO2 @ur momisugly 289 K = 0.154 kJ/kg dry air
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World RE in 1900: (14.889 + 20.843 + 0.108) kJ/kg dry air x 1000 J/kJ x 5.148 x 10^18 kg x 10^-18 = 184,500 EJ
In 1900, WV/CO2 RE % role ratio 58.16/0.30 was 193.5; WV/CO2 ppm ratio 13282/296 was 44.9, i.e., each WV molecule is 4.31 more effective regarding RE than each CO2 molecule.
World RE in 2023: (16.096 + 22.774 + 0.154) kJ/kg dry air x 1000 J/kJ x 5.148 x 10^18 kg x 10^-18 = 200,896 EJ
In 2023, WV/CO2 RE % role ratio 58.36/0.39 was 147.8; WV/CO2 ppm ratio 14500/421 was 34.4. i.e., each WV molecule is 4.29 more effective regarding RE than each CO2 molecule.
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In 1900, CO2 RE was (0.108/35,839) x 184,500 EJ = 554 EJ
In 2023, CO2 RE was (0.154/39.024) x 200,896 EJ = 793 EJ
CO2 RE increase 239 EJ
Let me fix that.
Not in the UK – we have a new captain and crew on the bridge steering the SS Great Britain full throttle at the Net Zero ice-berg.
Achieving Net Zero is just a matter of determination, the way to make green energy success is to have a State run company running it and investing £billions.
Not a single demonstration town or city in the world has been built to show 2050 is even possible.
Instead, politicians and bureaucrats make grand plans to convert entire countries, using central planning methods made famous by Mao and Stalin. Plans too big to fail.
I’m expecting to soon see that when we look up “delusion” in the dictionary, it will say –
see ‘Net Zero’
“Europe’s green energy projects are in the doldrums”
I followed up on the status of European/UK wind and solar after a raft of bankruptcies (18 of them between Sept and Nov. in UK alone!) in the renewables industry in 2021 beause of soaring natural gas prices caused by anti fossil fuel campaigning, punitive regulations blocked access to resources for development and gov mandates discriminating against ff (the idiocracy amazingly, was oblivious to the fact that renewables do not work without abundant dispatchable power (hello natural gas 🎶 ).
https://news.sky.com/story/four-more-energy-firms-collapse-taking-total-number-of-firms-failing-during-crisis-to-18-12458114
With the sudden realization that the dumbest batch of heads of state the West had ever known, had set up tens of millions of their citizens to perish in the cold of the coming winter, they zigzaged the globe signing deals at 10x the multi-year price they had turned down only 2 years before!.
In my research of the status, I found that in 2019 EU/UK had 47 GW of spent wind in the queue for decommissioning! A brief mention that renewables installation had temporaily peaked in 2017 suggested to me, in light of the events in the years that followed, including Covid, supply chain bottlenecks, inflation, flight of capital from the renewables sector, impairments on the books of the bug guys- Siemens-Gamesa, Oersted, etc. that “2017Peak Renewables^TM” is a permanent fixture that will be the historical benchmark of this fanciful episode.
The cherry on top is the leaky renewables newest patch, hydrogen! I knew it was really over when this became the darling of dimwits.
Ukraine war caused the soaring gas prices in Europe, and your 2017 peak renewables in Europe is still backed by exactly zero data, i suppose? Because every old cock in the farmyard stock knows by now that we have more renewable generation each passing year.
Outpaced by coal & gas usage.
In Europe?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-production-by-source?country=~OWID_EU27
Change 2017-2022 in TWh:
Gas +11.1
Coal -190.18
Wind +107.95
Solar +103.45
Nuclear -150.14
Looks like coal (2004), nuclear (2007) and gas (2019) peak to me.
And look what has happened to EU electricity prices and manufacturing.
Let’s look as Germany’s energy usage.
Wind and solar are a pittance compared to Oil, Coal and Gas
Do you ever read the dross you post?
Solar for example has something like 900Twh before it gets close to Nuclear & Gas.
And Coal was still growing as fast as Solar 2020 to 2022.
If you were driving the Solar car and pulled out to pass the Coal car you’d run out of road before you reached that oncoming 18-wheeler.
WRONG.
The green agenda of stopping gas production in EU and the UK caused the high gas prices.
As Trump said.. being reliant on Russian gas, is rank stupidity.
Having more renewables, doesn’t mean having more electricity.
From the Nov 2021 link on my posting:above:
“The crisis has come about after wholesale gas prices surged to record highs and, though prices have since eased, they remain several times higher than typical levels seen over recent years”
I suspect you are quite young and still in school when this was very big news. Don’t be gullible these days. Ideologues are constantly producing fake news to hide inconvenient truths. Now you didn’t folliw your own advice and give me a link to the why of price rises.I already know know that there are readily available phony stories on the cause for lazy (most people) commenters to link to. You can learn a lot about how the unwary are gamed by these tricks out there from this exercise.
1) logic tells you that the 2021 news report has to be correct because people are out there buying expensive fuels at that time!
2) Here is a chart of a monthly index of NG prices for 5 years. Note, in the panic buying by UK and EU in 2021, they were buying at spot prices which were much more than double what you see in the index. Prices of the monthly index did increase above the 2021 high, with the war, but not untl 3 months later and by Oct ,prices were back to 2021 level and by the beginning of 2023 were half the 2021 highs and prices continued to fall thereafter to a quarter of 2021 highs, despite the intensifying war.
I hope you will see you can find the truth, e en in this unprecedented post normal time of obfuscation. “Handy links” and lazy “talking points” just leave you stupid
Short memories, or outright lies? Energy prices were already spiralling ever upward in 2018, long before anyone had heard of covid and long before the invasion of Ukraine, and ALL due to “renewable” subsidies and unfair taxes on thermal generation.
“2018 was a record year for energy price rises, as households were hit with a total of 57 increases, up from just 15 in 2017, and prices were accelerating at such a rate that the government followed through on its pledge to intervene and put a stop to what the prime minister called “rip-off energy prices”.
July 19, 2018 saw the Domestic Gas and Electricity (Tariff Cap) Act 2018 become law and give Ofgem, the energy regulator, the power to cap standard variable rate tariffs. The energy price cap came into force on January 1st, 2019, and was set at £1,137 a year for a typical dual fuel customer paying by Direct Debit, but will increase to £1,254 in April this year.”
https://www.ukpower.co.uk/home-energy/future-gas-electricity-price-forecast
I expect the answer is “both”.
And the darling of all dimwits was Justin Trudeau’s rejection of LNG supply to the German Chancellor so they could pull the plug on supplies from Russia on the basis of Jussie’s assessment that there was “no business case” for such an arrangement.
So Germany had to schlep down to Qatar to buy what they needed.
No doubt environmental luminaries such as MUN swooned at the conviction and genius of how Jussie just saved the planet from being asphyxiated by Canada’s LNG emissions.
They could just burn Qatar’s LNG instead.
The planet sure dodged a bullet there, hey?
(oh wait .. . . . )
Your other ‘sky-link’ says: “Factors behind the unprecedented prices include low gas stocks, lower supply from Russia, colder temperatures, lower wind output and strong competition from Asia for liquefied natural gas.”
Putin began reducing the export already in 2021.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=53379
and he later made it far worse of course
https://cepconsult.com/publications/rebalancing-of-the-european-natural-gas-market/
The reason there is a negative return on wind and solar is that they are net energy negative. You can make money if you’re taking $0.08 per kWh Chinese electricity to produce these things and sell their output for $0.40 per kWh. You’re not producing energy, but you’re making money. It’s a scam.
No amount of wishful thinking will make them net energy negative.
No amount of delusional wishful thinking will ever make wind and solar reliable.
Wishful thinking? Then you explain why energy costs from wind and solar are noncompetitive.
No amount of wishful thinking will make them net energy
negativepositive.It is great to see foolish investors in ‘Green’ Energy being financially punished as they deserve by the failure of the technology to come up to the level of the sales-hype.
More good news.
“Europe’s leading green energy producer, Statkraft, is drastically scaling back its plans for new wind and solar power plants – due to falling electricity prices and rising costs.”
”…due to falling electricity prices…”
Give me a break, show me the family or business that is paying less for electricity. Why don’t they try to be honest and say the government isn’t going to give them as much money as they want. Low life bottom feeders.
Well blow me down….
Expensive Nuclear?