Two wild train projects bookend the energy scene perfectly
Ah, you couldn’t make this stuff up, as we find ourselves saying on a daily basis.
Here’s a look at two ambitious infrastructure projects involving rail construction, separated by a few years and also by about everything else two projects could be separated on. One of the train stories dates way back to 2019; let me take you back to that era for all the readers less than five years old (not quite but close; last week I met a delightful family, a mother and two young daughters that are fascinated by pump jacks, love taking pictures of them, and are planning to launch an apparel line adorned by nodding donkeys. I’ll take five.) 2019 was the zenith of anti-hydrocarbon frenzy. It remains alive in small pockets of guilt-ridden billionaire inheritors and various political types that don’t understand energy and don’t want to learn, but 2019 was something else; hundreds of thousands of brainwashed children taking to the streets behind a strange Swedish kid that was treated like a messiah by confused adults. Canada’s prime minister jauntily joined one of her protests, standing proudly in front of signs explaining in emotional gobbledygook that the hydrocarbons that were keeping the sign-holders alive now and for the foreseeable future had to be eradicated immediately via some demand or magic or else the world will simply explode into flames a few decades hence.
Anyway, it was all surreal in one sense, but back to the railways: a few interesting milestones were hit around then that, when viewed alongside the climate hysteria of the era, prove without a doubt just how challenging it will be to transition to a new energy system.
But before getting to the 2019 story, we’ll check in on one that began long before then and continues to this day. It hails from sunny California, spiritual leader of the Movement To Use Extreme Wealth To Do Wacko Things. In 2008, voters approved a high-speed rail connection between Los Angeles and San Francisco, to be completed by 2020, at a cost of some $33 billion. Big numbers, both on the timescale and in the $ department. That’s reality these days though; nothing is easy or cheap, part of which is the price of going green. US energy transition advocates have reliably pointed out that high speed rail was a necessity all over the US, and the world for that matter. Nature website ran an article stating “…the role of high-speed railways in fostering a transition towards sustainable energy sources has gained prominence… these findings highlight the environmentally friendly attributes of high-speed railways and underscore the pressing need for effective policy measures to facilitate a global transition towards renewable energy, both in China and worldwide.”
A few interesting tidbits emerge out of this scenario. The first and most peculiar is that a scientific article on the scientific website Nature would assert that high-speed rail is important in “fostering a transition towards sustainable energy sources” – the statement has no logical basis, it flows from nothing, and is incoherent. HSR is wonderful, and makes efficient use of time, and possibly could replace air travel in some circumstances, and, as the paper rightly asks, HSR may well contribute to ‘nationwide energy savings and emissions reductions’. But none of these virtues foster a transition towards sustainable energy sources and to state it does is an oddly dumb non sequitur to feature as the anchor statement for an academic paper.
But anyways, whatever, the paper analyzes China’s experiences with HSR, which brings up a far more interesting point about the energy transition that is in the realm of That Which Must Not Be Discussed: the fact that in the west, major infrastructure projects are incredibly difficult to construct, whether green or not, and that initial cost estimates often turn out to be laughably low.
California did indeed set out to build an HSR in 2008, to be completed (as you may recall) some twelve years hence. But, as this California news website notes, “the blueprint is fraying”, which is some beautiful understatement. In 2020, the year the project was to be completed, Governor Newsom unveiled an updated plan, that California would settle for building a 171 mile initial segment – about a third of the distance of the original – at a cost of $35 billion, a number that exceeds the initial estimate for the entire 500 mile line. And the in-service date for the shortened version is now penciled in as 2030. As for an end date for the entire project, they haven’t a clue, don’t even bother taking a guess at it, but they have bravely provided an updated budget of, brace yourself, $128 billion. That’s almost four times the original estimate.
And even that number is scoffed at by engineers that have worked on HSRs. Bill Ibbs, a retired UC Berkeley engineer, says he is concerned about the lack of attention to engineering risks – that proponents don’t even address significant engineering challenges in the latest cost estimate, such as challenges likely to arise in the 38 miles of mountain tunnels required. (Per the article linked above: “Democratic leaders have declined or did not respond to requests for interviews.” Who saw that coming.)
That is what we are in store for in the western world. Keep this example in mind the next time you hear about net-zero 2050 visions based on almost any large scale infrastructure construction. You would have to be the world’s most naïve person to believe initial cost and time estimates.
Now, on the other hand, countries such as China have indeed made great progress though, as we’ll see in a second, the choice of China as an example is fairly ironic. The Nature academic paper notes that hundreds of Chinese cities already operate HSR networks. China has stunned the world with the pace at which it has developed infrastructure over the past 40 years; however, it is an authoritarian state that sweeps aside the sort of issues that bog down western democracies like a bear sweeps aside a hiker.
And if we’re going to marvel at the speed at which China has constructed these HSRs, then we should look at this one too. In 2019, China opened a brand new, 1,813 mile railroad, completed on schedule at a cost of $28 billion. It took 4 years to construct, and faced multiple significant challenges such as “crossing both the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers twice” and includes 770 bridges and 229 tunnels totalling 469 kilometres or 291 miles, some 8 times as many tunnel miles as California. This new rail line is dedicated to carrying… coal. It was created for no other reason. It was built entirely to handle coal.
That’s how they do it folks. An authoritarian state that removes any obstacles instantly, all to build a supply line for a fuel that the west is cleansing itself from as fast as it can. China realizes what it takes to build things. The West does not. Further, while China is the largest installer of renewable energy, it is fairly transparent about its appetite for any fuel. That’s how the world works, folks, except for some…
“How do you sleep at night?” Or… how to win a debate with extremist loons – hand them a microphone
An NDP committee that hates things dragged a bunch of “Big Oil” (or “Big Canadian Oil”, anyway) CEOs onto the carpet to, literally, blame them for forest fires and floods. Their argument went about where you’d think it would, when your philosophical underpinnings are of that grade: Not only do you mooks create a lot of bad weather, but you line your pockets by doing so, gleefully so, and thus we want to know just how you can sleep at night.
The CEOs responded decently enough in their polished way, but I think it’s important when addressing an interrogation of that sort to firmly call out the lay of the land.
Rich Kruger, CEO of Suncor, said “I could praise the transformational virtues of hydrocarbons over the past century, convey the world’s dependence on oil and gas for decades to come, recite economic contributions to Canada’s prosperity and, yes, discuss the concerning effects of climate change and GHG emissions… however, today, I plan to dispel a series to myths. And paint a picture of opportunity.” The myths: oil & gas prosperity comes at the expense of the planet; Canadian companies are resisting the energy transition/decarbonization; and that Canada can demonstrate global leadership by restricting its oil & gas sector.
He’s not wrong, but there’s a significant subtlety that gets swept under the rug here, one that can cause grave danger to a lot of people.
First, y’all need to understand the battlefield. Kruger is right; it is to generate headlines, but consider the headlines carefully when selecting which myths to bust. They (the NDP) are literally accusing the hydrocarbon industry of murder – not with a gun, but via creating the emissions that cause weather disasters that kill people. They and their fellow warriors have created a lazy but sellable chain of causality there.29dk2902lhttps://boereport.com/29dk2902l.html
Mythbusting is important, but first, it is critical to take aim at the cornerstones of their argument, and not capitulate on those. In other words:
- If someone accuses you of killing a bunch of people, might I suggest that saying “Yeah, well, we pay a lot of taxes…” is a losing strategy?
- If someone accuses you of killing a bunch of people, might I suggest that saying “Don’t worry, I’m taking measures to mitigate how many people I kill.” is also a losing strategy?
- Absolutely speak of emissions reduction improvements and any efforts made towards an energy transition – but don’t ignore the emotional point they use, when it undercuts everything else you say.
They are accusing you of murdering people by producing fuel the world requires for survival. It’s silly; they (the NDP) have things precisely backwards – they are confused by the role of hydrocarbons in our life. So you need to address that first and foremost, because they are writing policy based on such faulty reasoning.
They are NOT asking you to produce your product better. They are saying you are killing the planet and its people and making a fortune while doing so.
Their army of lawyers, with literally nothing better to do (hello, Sierra Club/Environmental Defense/EcoJustice/ad infinitum) are running circles around your lawyers. You are facing an army of extremely well-funded legal guerillas. You need to recognize their weapons. You are fighting against rifles with a diorama of your decarbonization efforts.
Here is the answer that addresses the inanity of the question in a simple and fool-proof way, which will do the trick, because they will have no answer: Hydrocarbon production enables life as we know it. Without hydrocarbon production, most of the earth’s 8 billion people will not survive a year. Hydrocarbon production feeds those people in a way that nothing else can. Hydrocarbon production keeps countless people from freezing to death, every year, like nothing else at present can. Hydrocarbon production provides the building blocks for our modern medical system, our transportation system, and almost any other thing within arm’s length.
Hydrocarbon production enables life, and it will do so for decades until a suitable replacement arrives on the scene that can not just match, but beat hydrocarbons for energy density, reliability, and cost. That will most likely happen some day. But to attempt to strangle today’s fuel system without a replacement is a clearer path to willfully causing human death than is the production of the fuel that keeps us alive.
There are multiple excellent pathways a hydrocarbon company can go down to show the public they are validly concerned about the environment, such as eliminating spills, eliminating pollution of all sorts, or respecting and revitalizing natural habitats.
But when you tell them how eagerly you are ‘decarbonizing’, you forfeit the match. Your product is carbon. That is literally the murder weapon they place in your hands.
The impact on humanity from more carbon in the air, whatever the consequences may be, pales in comparison – by an astounding degree – to what the impact on humanity would be if oil and gas production were to cease.
Mr. Kruger touched on the most important part, but then skipped right over it: the “transformational virtues of hydrocarbons over the past century”, as a phrase, skips right over the entire arc of the human benefits brought through the industrial revolution, treating them as secondary aspect that needs to take a back seat to convincing the world that Canadian companies really are trying to decarbonize.
And let’s be clear about that whole idea: anyone that places decarbonization as the number one priority should drop whatever they’re doing to get out and make nuclear energy happen here, there, and everywhere, because that’s the only game in town as far as a global, achievable solution goes. I don’t have a problem with that. I love cheap, clean energy, available reliably and in abundance. And almost every global citizen would agree with those four, but more importantly would prefer all four, of those characteristics. People don’t love oil & gas. They love what it can do. Want to replace them? Then it has to be better in every functional way.
While the fate of oil/gas on the global stage will be determined by billions who know how much they need it, the emotional messaging of the NDP et al nevertheless has the power to shape legislation, for example to sneakily introduce climate reporting requirements into financial statements and thereby open the door to countless lawsuits – lawsuits which the industry will be forced to defend. And those singular-function activist-lawyers will eat you alive if you are sitting at the table agreeing about the need to rapidly decarbonize.
The messaging should be that humanity requires oil and gas and will for decades, and that role of industry is to do this as cleanly and efficiently as possible. That might sound like a subtle distinction compared to a pledge to decarbonize asap, but it’s not – it’s the difference between a bullet missing you by an inch and not.
The reason you need to think this way is because hydrocarbons will remain standing for a very long time as a fundamental source of energy, as is witnessed by the sheer global force of increasing consumption of every type of energy (see: New Zealand completely backtracking on an oil & gas exploration ban once it dawned on them that existing fields deplete – coming soon to governments everywhere)… But Western energy leaders may get seriously wounded by the sheer legal might of the enemies faced at such panels, and by the minions they inspire, as bombastically comical as it might appear on the surface.
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Only 38 miles of tunnels to build Jerry Brown’s Toy Train? Across fault zones as well?
Ah, Tom. Awareness of reality is strong in your family. You have it, your father had it….and your sister, too.
Well, China IS a Communist Country. How much per hour do you think they “Pay” their Engineers and Laborers?
HINT … Pennies on the Dollar that western nations pay
“How much per hour do you think they “Pay” their Engineers and Laborers?”
They have nothing, and they’re happy. /sarc
I don’t dispute the laborer pay but you really must research the engineers. The lowest level engineers in China are Associate Degree level. Thie pay is about 60- 70% of the US level. At the masters level they are nearly equivalent and surpass the US at the PhD level. Based on my experience 2 decades ago. China was rapidly catching up to the US at that time. Where US engineers pay was advancing at 2-3%, Chinese pay was advancing at 15% and promotions raised it by 30%. Add in benefits and you can understand why some expats opt to be paid local salaries.
Oh yeah?!?!? Well, we still graduate more lawyers than China does, and lawyers are much smarter than engineers – just ask them!
They also don’t have to worry about long negotiations for right of way.
True. My company had built a huge warehouse in the outskirts of Beijing in 2002. We had received all the necessary operating permits and had started to move in equipment when the City told us our facility was in the way of a new road. They started bulldozing the building right away — no discussion, no litigation, no time to appeal.
When people compare infrastructure construction between countries, they completely overlook the topography, the geography and demographics.
Years back people compared how quickly France could build a high speed link to their side of the Channel Tunnel from Paris, whilst in Britain the project was going to take much longer and at higher cost to London. The difference was the French link was through sparsely populated open terrain, whilst the link to London was through a densly populated built-up region, criss-crossed by numerous railways and roads.
If you had ever driven from San Jose to Los Angeles, the really prominent thing is that there are mountains at each end. Dealing with the Carquinez Strait or The Grapevine on envisioning a route for a very high speed train line would require lots and lots of tunnels.
Perhaps we could borrow some (A few million) of those Chinese Laborers and pay them what China would
Be careful what you wish for. This is already happening at mines in Northern BC. Selling citizenship in place of wages. Why not use the same approach to build EVs in Canada for the $10k they cost in China. And then take over construction and every other industry. Under cut Canadian wages in Canada directly. Then hide the names of the politicians making it happen.
More than 80% of the new jobs under Bidenomics have gone to immigrants, legal or otherwise.
In other words repeat what you did 150 years ago in building the western half of the Transcontinental Railway. If one believes the documentaries shown here in the Uk what the chinese workers achieved was amazing and at considerable physical cost.
Yes but then we didn’t have too many of our own citizens back then nor did we have minimum wages, worker’s compensation, Medicare/Medicaid taxes, unemployment insurance, or income taxes.
Today such things would also use a lot less men and a lot more machines.
Rather like trying to do a VFT north from Sydney across the Hawkesbury River.
The current railway line is a wonder of what could be done 130 or so years ago !
That’s true. But another factor is that compensation paid to those affected my major projects is extremely niggardly and long winded. In France it is the opposite and the only “village protests” they seem to get are where the Mayor wants the line to go past HIS village, not that one over the hill.
Makes a huge difference.
The comparison to the French high-speed rail (called the TGV, or Trains de Grande Vitesse, in French) is very interesting. I lived in France from 1984 through 1995, and traveled frequently on the TGV line between Paris and Lyon, which took two hours to travel about 280 miles. It traveled at a top speed of about 300 km/hr, or about 186 miles/hr.
The first 50 miles or so south of the train station in Paris was on existing tracks through densely-populated suburbs, with local stations about every two miles. The TGV didn’t stop at these stations, but only traveled at about 40 mph, so that the wind generated by the train’s passage would not sweep people waiting on the platform off their feet. (The wind from a train traveling at 186 mph would be similar to a Category 5 hurricane).
Likewise, when the train approached the northern suburbs of Lyon, it would slow down for passage through a tunnel under the hills, then emerge onto the peninsula between the Saone and Rhone Rivers on which downtown Lyon is built.
The remaining 220 miles or so consisted of special tracks over relatively flat, rural land, with railroad bridges built over cross-roads (no grade crossings), with very few curves, which had very long radii of curvature (to prevent the train from tipping over at high speed), and fences on both sides to keep livestock or wildlife off the TGV tracks.
The French TGV was also economically attractive to passengers, because the two-hour ride between downtown Paris and downtown Lyon took less time than to drive out to the airport in one city, go through security checks, fly to the other city, and take a taxi into downtown in the other city, and train tickets cost much less than airline tickets.
This reasoning does not apply to a route between San Francisco and Los Angeles, for which the suburbs at both ends are very congested, and the shortest route between them is very mountainous. It may be possible for a train to reach high speeds in the central valley, but the time required to reach the central valley from either San Francisco or Los Angeles makes it much less time-consuming to simply fly over the mountains (or the ocean) by the most direct route, despite the hassle of going through security.
Incidentally, there are now three TGV passenger railways in France: the original Paris-Lyon route, another route from Paris east to Strasbourg, and another route southwest from Paris through Le Mans to Bordeaux along the Atlantic coast. All of them travel through relatively flat terrain, but there are no TGV railways in southern France, which is more mountainous.
As for the comparison with the Chinese coal trains, while trains are not the fastest method of transporting people, they are still the most economical method of transporting freight. A person might be willing to pay several hundred dollars (or its equivalent in yuan) to travel 1,000 miles in a few hours in an airplane, and the airline might be able to charge about $5,000 to transport a ton of passengers (about 10 to 15 people). But no one would pay that much to ship a ton of coal over the same distance! For a heavy, relatively cheap product like coal, freight trains are far more economical than planes, even if it takes a few days for the product to arrive.
I can hardly wait for the first segment, Bakersfield to Merced (you can find both places on a good map) to open. Where will they get people to ride the train? BTW, it is becoming Newsom’s Glory Train fast.
From the sticks to the boondocks?
From Nowhere in particular to no place anyone wants to go
From East Jesus to Resume Speed?
You’ve heard of the “Bridge to Nowhere?”
Well this is the “Train to Nowhere.”
But it’s a REALLY FAST train to nowhere…
Well maybe at $1M per ticket we can recoup the money in a couple of years with all that demand for the segment. What are the maintenance estimates we need to add to the growing Billons to build the train? Another sink hole for tax dollars.
Newsomes fista to the state
High speed rail has its utility in certain areas, but Cali in the main is unsuitable.
And what would serve Americans better would be a nationwide Auto Train type service with drive on/drive off equipment. Even at more customary Amtrak speeds, that would have a market because you get to take your car and all your “stuff” with without having to do all the driving.
And whose fault is that, anyway . . . all the governors since “Moonbeam” Brown that have refused to cancel this
projectboondoggle, or the Democrat-controlled California legislators that have acted similarly?Kickbacks, excuse me, campaign contributions from the contractors?
Fallacy . Tunnels are largely unaffected by the peak ground acceleration cycles of earthquakes.
Its not exactly the same situation but the best analogy is why ships on the surface are very affected by surface waves while submarines below arent
Both the Hayward and Tejon faults are strike/slip, and produce land offset motion. Most routes would cross these faults.
Besides demonizing fossil fuels, the left has bamboozled a huge segment of the world’s population into believing that warmer weather is a problem, that we have a climate crisis.
There isn’t a climate crisis.
Warmer weather? If only. Here in the UK we are shivering at the start of Summer, with snow falls in some places.
I mentioned the other day that for all Europe, summer had been delayed for at least two weeks.
Can’t remember who, but some clown got very upset.
It’s all part of their plan to convince people that government cares for you and will take care of you.
Congratulations, Steve . . . you have just certified yourself as NOT being an AI bot.
Yes. The only point I would add to Terry Etam’s excellent post, concerns Jolly Jim Hansen, one of the foundational “Climate Scientists” behind the whole Global Warming” hoax, going back to the 1988 Senate Hearing.
Jim latched onto the insult “Climate Denier” to suggest a comparison with “Holocaust Denier” and enjoyed using it when referring to the great Dick Lindzen, who was (and is) a real scientist. Dick had lost relatives in the real Holocaust.
Just to take that a little further, he coined the term “Death Factories” for thermal power stations and “Death Trains” for coal trains.
I’m not sure if the high-speed Chinese coal trains get called that, today. After all, we all know that Chinese CO2 is as beneficial, as Western CO2 is demonic.
But always nice to remember what a piece of work Hansen and his Reality Denier chums actually are.
What happens after no more wealth can be extracted from the people?
I’d suggest that getting onto that train could be hazardous to your health.
Tax the rich,
Feed the poor,
’til there are,
No rich no more
Ten Years After 1970
Simply walk into the halls of government and say….
“Without hydrocarbon production, most of the earth’s 8 billion people will not survive a year.”
Then drop the mic and walk out.
Railways – that is locomotives pulling wagons – were invented in England to haul raw materials and freight, operating round the clock seven days a week – maximum efficiency. Passenger trains were an accidental development, and traffic in those days was icing on the cake, as freight revenues covered all costs and gave return on investment.
Passenger services which are not an adjunct to freight haulage are not efficient and not profitable, which is why everywhere in the World they need subsidies to survive.
But for Government intervention, passenger railways would have been replaced by road traffic or maybe some new technology. Government policy has been to smother anything which would compete with and replace railways, not least because most railways were or still are State-run.
The environmental argument for railways is just a smokescreen to justify Government involvement.
Railways are 200 year old technology. If stage-coaches had been Government run or subsidised, we would still have them… and soon might have them again.
The problem with passenger trains is that they have to stop at every town on their route.
An additional problem with high speed trains is, that as long as they share the rails with freight trains, they can’t go any faster than the freight trains.
Correct. The dirty secret of high speed rail is minimizing the number of stops. Even Amtrak equipment can attain speeds well in excess of 100 mph, but these can not be sustained due to the political need to have stops in every pol’s district.
Well yes, the whole point of high speed rail is to get you long distances quickly, so stopping in every town is not the way to go.
But California’s idiotic project will take you from the distant suburbs of one big city to a distant suburb of another, serving the needs of Noone in particular.
That’s why there are different levels of train service, from high speed to local – and you may want to look how Europe handles its comnbined Freight and Passangers service, as passanger trains can, in fact, go faster than freight trains.
Which requires doubling up of track.. or even a dedicated VFT track… at great expense.
Then when you get to your destination… what do you need if you want to go anywhere.
Get a licence, little child.. Get out of your ghetto !!
Like most socialists, losername only objects to subsidies when he thinks someone else is receiving them.
They do it by building multiple lines, one for each type of service.
It’s no wonder that trains have to be almost completely subsidized.
Just like all other forms of mass transit.
In fairness, roads, waterways and aviation all receive massive subsidies as well.
Well no, they don’t HAVE to, and there are plenty of passenger trains that don’t. And they will typically run faster than freight trains when they share the same tracks, though not “high speed rail” fast.
I think that if you research the subject you will find that almost every modern train (aka “railway”) locomotive uses a diesel-electric engine system, which wasn’t commercially used before the mid-1920’s, or about 100 years ago.
Diesel electric eliminates the need for gearing the engine. Like driving a Tesla with a genset in the trunk in place of a battery.
There’s a current trend to electrify railways, higher building cost, but cheaper operation.
But that requires SOLID RELIABLE ELECTRICITY.
ie COAL, GAS or NUCLEAR..
Could not possibly operate on wind and solar !!
In other words, more subsidies for the toys that you like.
Motorized individual traffic is far more expensive for society, and needs government support, or do you think roads grow on trees?
No, the users pay for them via road taxes or tolls.
Without motorised personal transport, society reverts back to the stone age that your tiny mind wants to live in.
Did you know that EVERYTHING in your child-like, petty existence is there because of FOSSIL FUELS !!
Yeah the notion that the users pay for roads is a non-seqitour. I think the original US Interstate highways cost about $750 Billion to construct (and that’s NOT inflation adjusted). You think “user fees” have covered that, plus the cost of the serial “rebuilding” that has taken place since they opened? Not a chance.
And never mind State highways, local roads, etc.
“User fees” for roads are a cynical deception for “more taxes” that they don’t want to call “taxes.”
The reason passenger rail is subsidized is because the government subsidizes all of the alternatives. It is what it is.
Just how stupid can you get my young socialist?
There is no evidence that individual cars are bad for society, and much evidence that they provide the freedom necessary for society to function in the first place.
Roads may be built by government, but they are paid for via taxes on gasoline and diesel.
Roads are not fully funded by taxes or “user fees” – they are subsidized like all forms of transport except major freight railroads, which built and maintain their own networks (and pay property taxes on them).
In the US, government policy was to subsidize everything BUT railroads and continue to regulate railroads as if they held a monopoly on intercity transport for decades after that was no longer the case. In the process driving much of the railroad industry into bankruptcy. Deregulation of the railroads brought them back.
The short version being that roads and aviation are subsidized as well.
The irony being that (also speaking from the US perspective) the government now expects to get people out of automobiles (to “save us” from a BETTER climate) when it was the government’s interference in the (transportation) market that created the “car culture” to begin with.
‘Hence’… from THIS time, place… forward.
‘Thence’… from THAT time, place… forward.
I love the hell of pedantry in the morning . . .
Down-vote’s from people whom glory in there gramatical ignorance.
“there”
Was that intentional?
That would be “grammatical”… with a double “m” 😉
Down-votes.. without the apostrophe.
Who… not whom
I’m guessing all those errors were intentional. 🙂
Yes, it’s past time “Big Oil” went on the offense because obviously they have no defense against religion. Nor should they. I see the day coming when some legislature gives them the poison pill and they retaliate by withholding their product. It will take mere days before the people realize the folly they’ve put themselves in.
Big oil (and gas) has been attaining record profits the last few years. Much of this can be tied to climate policies constraining supply. I think their strategy is: just wave your hands and agree whenever you are challenged. Make it look good. They aren’t really fighting the policies.
Once we understand these corporations are perfectly happy with the current policies, then their statements make a lot more sense.
Sadly true. Regulatory capture allows companies to effectively enjoy the cartels they wouldn’t be able to create in a free economy. The risk, of course, is that the crocodile is always hungry.
Monopolies can only exist through time, only by government fiat. Without government fiat most monopolies fail in a few years.
Without government aid, it’s almost impossible to create a monopoly in the first place.
I’ll file that under “great minds think alike” (see my post above).
Yes I’ve been saying the same thing for years. They never should have pandered in the slightest way to the “green” Eco-Nazis.
The oil company attempts to appease the Eco-Nazis is the classic present-day example of Churchill’s quote –
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last.”
RE: Rich Kruger, CEO and all similar …
This should be required reading for such folks.
NDP ? New Democratic Party (Canada)
The NDP is Canada’s hard-left political party.
No…that is the Liberals. The NDP are sort of socialists (like the Greens) and no one really takes them too seriously federally, though it can be fun to watch them make absurd statements. They used to have an interesting and smart leader (Tom Mulcair), but they got rid of him and put in a fellow that wears very expensive suits and watches, and claims that he is the reason Justin makes any decions.
Given Justin’s “decisions,” that would not appear to be something to brag about…
Yes the most authoritarian governments always name themselves and the laws they pass with fuzzy sounding names generally in direct conflict with their reality.
See “The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” or “The Inlation Reduction Act.”
S/B INFLATION Reduction Act.
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The Kimberley iron ore province, late 1970s, a road crossing sign:
“STOP! The train that crosses here takes 9 minutes and 44 seconds, whether your car is on the track, or not. ”
Reality bites. Geoff S
Holy cow, 33 billion at first. Maybe ask China or Russia to build HSR. Russia build a 1000 mile defense line with fortifcation in one year. This is the reason why the collective west can’t win a war against China or Russia. We can’t build anything anymore. Sometimes I ask myself how did we ever build roads, power grid, water management,… because there used to be none.
We alos have the debate of railroad, how much they cost, why train tickets are more expensive. Maybe trains are old technology? Airplanes are faster and cheaper, even cars can compete as you don’t have to travel to and from a trainstation. Governments are losing billions every year on railroads. If the product was better people would buy it.
Building things in a time of war will not resemble construction within the borders of a nation at peace.
No “environmental impact studies,” NIMBYS, etc. Just bulldoze and build that road, airfield, whatever.
As for transportation, governments subsidize all forms.
I love that cover photo, what a boondoggle!
Mr. Etam presents a nice summary of the tremendous cost overruns and construction delays (both continuing even today) of California’s so-called high speed rail (HSR) situation.
A few key points not mentioned:
1) It was only the hubris of former Governor “Moonbeam” Jerry Brown (with complicity of the US DOT) and their desire to “create jobs” that led to the decision that California should build its own HSR system from the ground up, as opposed to the economically-sensible decision to just buy/implement the existing HSR technology of the Japanese or French systems.
2) The concept of this being truly high speed over its originally planned LA-to-SF route evaporated when, in an attempt to minimize cost overruns and schedule delays, the overall route was revised to pass though the urban centers of many towns while at the same time using the existing rail line infrastructure in those locations. The yet-to-completed system is now more deserving of the acronym SBHSR: short bursts of high speed rail.
3) The above article mentions the projected $35 billion cost for just the initial 171 miles of track of the new system . . . that works out to a phenomenal $205 million per mile! But what’s not mentioned is that particular segment when finished (right now, only 119 miles has been constructed) will connect the towns of Merced and Bakersfield—neither considered major tourist spots, and both quite remote from San Francisco and Los Angeles—and has included some of the least expensive land to purchase and some of flattest land topology (with no tunnels) of the overall planned route
— more details available at https://hsr.ca.gov/high-speed-rail-in-california/central-valley/
4) Finally, the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) has ceased providing estimates for when the SF-LA HSR system will be complete. But just linearly ratio-ing the estimated first phase progress:
((~500-171) miles/171 miles)*(Dec 2030 – Jan 2015) = 31 years from end-2030, or the year 2061.
Want to guess the impact of inflation on cost projections, looking some 37 years into the future?
As government-mandated boondoggles go, this one is sure to win Olympic gold!
Well apparently they wanted to show Massachusetts’ “Big Dig” what a complete Cluster #&$! REALLY looks like!
Without oil and gas, 40 million Canadians would be dead within a year.
Imagine making airplanes that could never fly a different route. You have high speed rail.
. . . except for the fact that, practically (witness France’s and Japan’s HSR systems), high speed rail can utilize an electric power source. Airplane’s, never.
If this were a business, those responsible would be fired and the project cancelled. But this is California dreaming. One third the distance at over the original entire cost, and 10 years late. Pathetic.
just checked. Majors air far one way about $150. Minors (Frontier) $70. CA has no idea yet what they will charge the very few riders between Bakersfield and Merced.
Rich Kruger’s responses remind me of Harvard President Claudine Gay’s testimony before Congress. She was fired (allowed to “resign”), and Kruger should be fired for his stupidity in not clearly advocating for his industry.
Canada is the coldest country on earth and pays millions of $$ in carbon taxes to keep it this way. We have a secret report saying Canadian politicians are conspiring with foreign governments against the interests of Canadians. And the Law says you can speak about the report only if you haven’t read it. If you read it, then you must remain silent.
Excellent, excellent article Terry. The CAGW crowd is wrong plain and simple. We need to be shouting that from every roof top to the average guy. The mainstream media, government and all the other CAGW lemmings need to be held to account for all their lying and cheating. You are leading the way.
For those not in the know, NDP is the New Democratic Party in Canada, well to the left of the left wing of the Democrat party in the US.
They are the third party in Parliament on the opposition side but currently propping up the ailing Liberal Party to keep it in power.
I hate the politicians and union bosses who foisted the HSR on California. It is such an economically absurd propositon that the accountants used a zero depreciation assumption to hit the 124BB figure, without a compensating replacement reserve. The theory was that depreciation is only applicable to tax-paying owners and replacement costs could be supported by future bond issues if revenue was insufficient.
Revenue? What and when are the only important questions, as until enough comes in to cover the bonds and operating costs entire clown show is on the backs of California and Federal taxpayers. As to what, if a million passengers a month paid $250 (roughly the price of a one way ticket LAX-SFO) for a ticket the operating margin after payroll and operational expense is not known, but will surely be less than a tenth of the fare (lots of electricity, lots of payroll, lots of administrative costs, lots of inspection and repair expense, plus sales taxes of 9.5%). So figure the million a month passenger number (which ic also absurd) will generate about $25MM a month, $300 MM a year. The bonded debt is still unknown, but I’ll assums $100 Billion to complete the LAX-SFO segment. Even at an absurdly low rate of 3% (right now it would be at least 5.2%) a million passengers a month will generate only a tenth of what is required to pay interest on the debt. No principal. And bear in mind those million passengers will be rich people. Poor people traveling with families will never ride this train. A family of four paying a thouseand dollars would spend 10 times the cost of driving a car.
One more thing.The Chinese coal train example is a tremendous achievement. But it is a single use non-stop and relatively low value cargo train with no passengers. The California HSR has to carry people and a very different risk calculation is involved. A coal train in China can blow up in a tunnel and it won’t shake the political tree.A HSR in a California tunnel drilled through methane containing source rock presents an entirely different level of engineering practice, especially as multiple tunnels drilled in the SoCal segment have encountered significant methane influs, leading to at least one explosion and severel abandonments. Then there is seismic risk.
The smartest thing would be to abandon the whole idea and figure out how to repurpose the infra structure built so far. The one certain thing is that every single day and dollar spent on this is wastest.
To clarify, no HSR tunnels have been built in California yet. But many tunnels have been built for water, road and conventional rail.
Actually, the biggest question about HSR is whether the price is determined by the political system in play in the country concerned: the UK manages a 1000% mark up on HS2 vs analagous projects in France, Japan or the like, which suggests that private sector corruption plays a huge part in determining the cost of the project. There’s no way that a line between Tokyo and Osaka is any easier to build than one between London and Manchester…
One-party-state China has managed to build thousands upon thousands of miles of High Speed Rail during the time that UK lawyers have been filling their pants with gelt during a 15 year gestation period which saw all budgets blown out of the water. It does beg the question as to why the Chinese can get it done so much faster and whether it is because it is also so much cheaper?
I can’t imagine the USA is anything but ‘anti-any-public-sector-infrastructure-projects’ in its political soul, so it can confidently be predicted that private sector US lawyers will also seek to trouser tens of millions through jacking the price up by another $50bn or so, thus benefitting their private sector client contractors to the tune of tens of billions.
Sometimes, ‘capitalism’ isn’t the best system for getting certain kinds of projects done.
Hmmmm . . . the shortest route between Tokyo and Osaka is about 505 km, whereas the shortest distance between London and Manchester is about 260 km. That a distance ratio of right at 2:1 . . . think that might make a difference?
Also, I understand that there is a difference in the topology between those two Japanese cities and those two UK cities . . . I suspect that would also make a difference.
Compare the average population density in 2021 [people/km2] [World Bank data]
Japan 345
USA 36
“An authoritarian state that removes any obstacles instantly,”
Not quite.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/apr/15/china-nail-houses-in-pictures-property-development