by Ben Pile
The Guardian last week published its survey of ‘climate experts’. The results are a predictable mush of fire-and-brimstone predictions and emotional incontinence. This stunt may have convinced those already aligned to the newspaper’s ideological agenda to redouble their characteristically shrill rhetoric, but encouraging scientists to speculate and emote about the future of the planet looks like an act of political desperation, not scientific communication.
For the purposes of creating this story, the Guardian’s Environment Editor Damian Carrington contacted 843 ‘lead authors’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s reports (IPCC) and 383 responded to his questions. The actual substance of the survey does not seem to have been published by the paper, but the main response Carrington wanted to get from his respondents was an estimate of how much global warming there will be by the end of the century. “World’s top climate scientists expect global heating to blast past 1.5ºC target,” claims one headline. A graphic in the article shows the responses:
The obvious problem this raises is that such a wide range of views on the next three quarters of a century discredits the notion that the IPCC represents a ‘scientific consensus’ on climate change. The ‘consensus’ – the putative expression of agreement by the worlds ‘top climate scientists’ – is the lynchpin of the narrative, epitomised by the Guardian, that the climate debate is between scientists and denialists. “Seventy seven per cent of climate scientists expect a rise of at least 2.5ºC,” explains the chart. Well, yeah, but 23% of climate scientists do not. And a good number of those connected to the IPCC believe that there will be just 1.5 degrees of warming – a third less warming than is anticipated by their colleagues at the other end of the spectrum. Clearly, there is, or needs to be, a debate.
This in turn raises the question of why this survey was necessary at all. The IPCC’s main output is an Assessment Report (AR), of which six have so far been produced since 1990. Each AR consists of three main volumes, each produced by a Working Group (WG), whose focus is on assessing the available research on “the physical science” (WG1), impacts and vulnerabilities (WG2), and mitigation options (WG3). A Guardian opinion survey is hardly going to shed any light on science that these scientists, who authored the reports, have not already published. It would seem rather silly to ignore the thousands of pages of summaries of the state of scientific understanding that hundreds of scientists and other experts have compiled and substitute it with a DIY opinion poll.
Opinion isn’t science. Even scientific opinion is not science. Yet Carrington seems to believe that tapping into the emotions of scientists is of greater value than reading their work. And all sorts of mush seems to have been unleashed by his project. “‘I am starting to panic about my child’s future’: climate scientists wary of starting families,” claims one headline based on the survey. According to the article, the victim of the panic is a Professor Lisa Schipper, whom Carrington describes as “an expert on climate vulnerability”. Schipper’s profile, however, reveals her actual occupation: “I am particularly interested in socio-cultural dimensions of vulnerability, including gender, culture and religion, as well as structural issues related to power, justice and equity.” I’m smelling a rat here, and more than a whiff of humbug. Schipper is not a climate scientist at all, as Carrington seems to imply in both his headline and his article.
Another article – an interactive page on the Guardian website – claims: “We asked 380 top climate scientists what they felt about the future.” The article quotes, among others, Lorraine Whitmarsh from the University of Bath, who tells Carrington:
[Climate change] is an existential threat to humanity and [lack of] political will and vested corporate interests are preventing us addressing it. I do worry about the future my children are inheriting.
But Whitmarsh is not a climate scientist either. According to her academic profile at Bath, She did a BA in Theology and Religious Studies with French at the University of Kent, graduating in 1997. She followed this with a Masters in ‘Science, Culture and Communication’, before completing a PhD in Psychology in 2005. Now Director of the Centre for Climate Change and Social Transformations (CAST), Whitmarsh researches “perceptions and behaviour in relation to climate change, energy and transport” and “regularly advises governmental and other organisations on low-carbon behaviour change and climate change communication”.
I have discussed the nature of climate psychologists’ work before in the Daily Sceptic. And of course, CAST is of that lofty academic milieu which wraps naked Stalinism in motherhood-and-apple-pie. “We want to work closely with people and organisations to achieve positive low-carbon futures — transforming the way we live our lives, and reconfiguring organisations and cities,” says the group’s website. What it doesn’t have an answer to, however, is people who do not share CAST’s radical ideology and do not want their lives, cities or organisations transformed or reconfigured by self-regarding shrinks – who are manifestly the ones in need of help.
There are of course a number of respondents with scientific backgrounds who have replied to Carrington. But these scientific credentials do not seem to have made those who own them any more rational. “Sometimes it is almost impossible not to feel hopeless and broken,” says climate scientist Ruth Cerezo-Mota, who at least appears to have a PhD in Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics, “after all the flooding, fires, and droughts of the last three years worldwide, all related to climate change…”
But perhaps Cerezo-Mota forgot to read IPCC AR 6 in which her colleagues conclude that any detectable increase in floods and meteorological and hydrological droughts cannot be attributed with confidence to anthropogenic climate change. And perhaps she forgot that two decades of wildfire data in all regions of the world show significant declines.
I think it is probably for the best that such nervous wrecks do not reproduce. Their grasp on the data is particularly myopic. Despite their apparent belief that the climate crisis is upon us, life for children born in recent years is immeasurably better that of earlier generations. Rather than being dominated by the weather, today’s children are not only far more likely to survive their fifth birthday, they are going to live longer, healthier, wealthier and safer lives than any generation before them.

That is, unless these crazy climate scientists get their way. Because they would strip away every last benefit of industry, capitalism,and freedom to ‘save the planet’, and deny those children the abundant and affordable resources that has created their historically unprecedented position.
It goes further than humbug. I sense very little data and science underpins their anti-natalism, but a great deal of ideology and manipulation. So how can we explain these scientists’ views, if we don’t believe that they emerge from science?
One answer might be that, for nearly 40 years now, green ideology has been poured into classrooms throughout the world, without any care for the consequences. It has largely bounced off most people. But several generations of children have now come up through this system into the adult world, through higher education. The institutions of climate and environmental science have increasingly become the centres to which unhinged individuals are drawn. Emotionally unstable people naturally seek reasons to explain their dysphoria and believing there is a crisis unfolding in the skies above their heads (rather than in them) is a way to explain their anxieties. After all, if you were not a climate loon, why would you volunteer your time to the IPCC? Gradually, rational views have been weeded out of these institutions.
I believe that is the implication of Carrington’s series of Guardian articles and his survey. It shows that people with no scientific expertise to speak of are nonetheless routinely presented as ‘scientists’ and experts. It shows that even those with scientific expertise will happily and radically depart from both the consensus position and the objective data on both meteorological events and their societal impacts. And it shows they have no reluctance to use their own emotional distress as leverage to coerce others. Carrington thinks that showing us scientists’ emotional troubles will convince us to share their anxiety. But all it shows is that it would be deeply foolish to defer to the authority of climate science. It’s an unstable mess. Science must be cool, calm, rational, detached and disinterested, or it is just a silly soap opera.

The amount of warming being discussed is from pre-industrial times to the present. We are already 1.4 degrees up from then, so “1.5” isn’t 1.5 degrees from now, it’s just 0.1 degrees from now. I wonder if the Grauniad mentioned that?
For non-Brits, the Guardian is notorious for typos, so is commonly referred to as the Grauniad.
I am campaigning to get “Dung Aria” to be the preferred anagram, as it more aptly describes the content of said organ.
According to the graph, it looks as if more than half of the scientists think that there will be warming of 1 degree or less for the rest of this century. Hardly threatening. I think that the Guardian expected the scientists to say that there would be much more warming than this. So the Guardian went into full spin mode, pretending that another degree of beneficial warming would be dangerous.
The question above the diagram that looks like it is a screenshot from the original survey: “How high above pre-industrial levels do you think average global temperature will rise between now and 2100?” is ambiguous to say the least.
Incoherence indicates a muddled mind.
Anyway quickly counting the squares 86% of the supposed climate scientists expect a rise of less than 3C above pre-industrial or ~1.5C from now and 2100 😱.
Merely moving from The Guardian headquarters in London to Paris would subject poor Damian to a 1C annual daily mean temperature increase, to Rome a whole +4C.
I think that this survey is a gigantic own goal by the Guardian. It shows that most scientists think that there will not be a large amount of warming in the future.
Yes, but will most Guardian readers be able to figure that out?
No.
It shows that most scientists think that there will not be a large
amount of warmingimprovement of the climate in the future.fixed it 🙂
The IPCC—demonstrably ignorant of The Scientific Method—completely fails to recognize that nowhere in any definition of that Method is the concept of “consensus” stated to be a necessary step.
In fact, as eloquently documented by Thomas Kuhn’s landmark “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions“, it is often the case that science advances by a lone scientist overturning the existing consensus that has developed in a particular field. Obvious examples are Newton, Einstein, Plank and Heisenberg.
Of course, prior to the Little Ice Age that ended conveniently when the warmunists set their datum for warming (1850), there was the Medieval Warm Period which ended in the mid 13th century (having begun around the mid 10th century). The Medieval Warm Period experienced a temperature increase of about 2.0 deg C over 300 years… and guest what, there was no catastrophe!
Note that it was after the cooling began, after the end of the Medieval Warm Period, in which the Black Death wiped out half the population of Europe in the middle of the 14th century.
Warming is good, cooling is bad.
‘Just the Facts: More CO2 is Good. Less is Bad.’
https://pioga.org/just-the-facts-more-co2-is-good-less-is-bad
And by the way, calling pre-1850 “pre industrial” is a fallacy. The industrial revolution began in the mid 18th century, with the development of steam power, large scale coal mining and usage to replace wood burning, the development of large scale factories for everything from textile mills to making machines to development of steam rail and marine propulsion, the development of today’s large cities, and so on.
The only reason the warmunists cite 1850 as their datum as that was the year the Little Ice Age was finally over.
Well, another reason is that practical thermometers (those have some decent accuracy and stability, and using a standardized temperature scale, i.e., °F or °C) were only used in meteorology starting about 1800.
— https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/1027/history-thermometer-and-its-use-meteorology
“1817: Alexander von Humboldt publishes a global map of average temperature, the first global climate analysis.“
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_meteorology
(my bold emphasis added)
Dr Fahrenheit devised his thermometer in 1714 and his eponymous temperature scale a decade later.
The issue is: when were they in common use by meteorologists to obtain data?
Dario Camuffo (2012) “The earliest temperature observations in the world: the Medici Network (1654–1670)”
Yes, but was that in the context of the scientific field of meteorology, or just a side note in the development (not practical use) of usefully-accurate and repeatable thermometers for monitoring weather?
I, as well as others, think not. My understanding is that there wasn’t even a standardized temperature scale (i.e., °F or °C) in 1654-1670.
Humboldt didn’t know that a global average was meaningless?
No, not back then . . . and even today many “climate scientists” don’t know that.
What people say should not be reported as what they believe, just what they said. “We’re most of us liars, we’re ‘arf of us thieves” and make up stories for our own benefit.
credit Rudyard Kipling “Soldier an’ Sailor too” with the best summary ever of human nature.
A Guardian opinion survey is hardly going to shed any light on science that these scientists, who authored the reports, have not already published.
Too bad the surveyor didn’t ask the CGW folks, “If your analysis found temps would only raise less than 1 degree over the next 20 years, “Would you be able to get the research published”.
Climate science… mumbo jumbo… voodoo science….
Ben Pile is one of the best writers on the climate change scam.
Friday funny – pseudoscience edition
Scottish Green members expelled from party for saying ‘sex is a biological reality’
The members were accused of making the party ‘less safe’ for trans and non-binary members.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-green-members-expelled-sex-is-a-biological-reality-4631881
No respect for feelings!
It gets better and better…
Out of interest, how do you display being Trans in Scotland anyway? Even the actual men wear skirts when they dress up for special occasions. The King always wanting to fit in, changes into a skirt the moment he crosses the border from England on route to Balmoral…
Judging by Charles’ new portrait he’s been put in Carbonite…
Chuck’s portrait originally depicted him as a ventriloquist’s dummy on Klaus Schwab’s knee, but it was decided that was too ‘on the nose’ so they painted Schwab out with the only colour they had left over.
I saw that- it’s gotta be the worst portrait in history. He loves it.
Seems like Dark Charles and Dark Biden are kindred spirits.
“how do you display being Trans in Scotland anyway?”
If you are a REAL male in Scotland, you wear nothing under your kilt. !
A trans wouldn’t want to show what he has.
Imagine the sight of a male “thong” under a kilt. !
I think I’m gonna throw up!
My prediction is that the horror predictions continue until they stop because that is all the climate alarmists have got. There is no scientific evidence to back claims about carbon dioxide despite advocates having had a good fifty years or more to find something.
The UN (and its several tentacles) have been experts at misdirection and outright deception and are well practiced at the art of covering stuff up in word salads too. We need proper democracy back and now.
I was a student at the University of Bath in the 1980s. Sad to see it now employing complete idiots.
If Greta is a “climate expert”, then I’m a nuclear scientist!
I can only wonder how many of these climate social “scientists” have ever bothered to research the essays and comments at WUWT?
They have bee informed WUWT is merely conspiracy theories and no real science is ever discussed, so not worth the time.
I’ve read tons of mainstream climate “science”. The discussions here are vastly smarter.
I agree.
Some of the more rabid zealots basically indulge in a form of ad hominem and refuse to read anything published at WUWT, rationalizing their position for a priori rejecting as false, anything published here, regardless of who the author is, or how well it is referenced with peer reviewed studies.
“I think it is probably for the best that such nervous wrecks do not reproduce.”
This was my favorite line in this well-written piece.
An observation made repeatedly over thousand of years is that many children develop/adopt views and beliefs that contradict those of their parents. This nonsense that climate fantasies of parents will be inherited by their children is just more eugenics nonsense.
Which proves (again) that empty vessels are easy to fill.
Whitmarsh’s degree in religion seems fitting for the subject matter…
Seems perfectly qualified to offer up her belief on Climate Change™.
Opience at its finest … Opinion dressed up as science …
I’ve known since I was a child that we will all die. The only variables are timing and cause. When considering causal probability, climate is so close to zero that it merits no consideration.
This is the first time I have seen this written. I have said it all through my life, too.
I am pleased I am not alone.
Why is the lead-in photo of a sneering Greta Thunberg associated with an article discussing “climate experts”???
Nonetheless, I do get the connection to “emotionally-unstable hysterics”.
Breaking news, women and effeminate men are generally a hysterical bunch. Wait, this is news?
Two world wars, economic uncertainty, a spare standard of living, cold war, and the specter of nuke Armageddon did not deter the baby boom. Yet fear mongering and lies since the late 60’s, now digital device dependence and the plandemic is plummeting the US Total Fertility rate to 1.62 or lower. Could we be the next South Korea with a 0.81 TFR? If the trend continues and is compounded 20-30 years, there will not be enough immigrants to sustain America. We be living like hermits with ear buds and wifi alone into our old age. Even health care will be virtual and delivered. There will be a huge demand to be placed in a nursing home just to be around other people.
The only hope to turn around the TFR in America is for our sanest young people to unplug, stop the endless search online for the next dopamine hit, stop the yap and get busy finding a mate, have the wedding and raise a 5-6 kids.
We should all push for the next baby boom. Drag those kids out of bed, pull the ear buds out of their ears,, unplug the wifi and teach them how to talk to each to other face to face and incentivize them to get married and have tons of kids. If they need fear….. tell them if they don’t change their ways they will spend the rest of their lives alone in some dark room with only their devices and strangers on the internet, like rip van winkle who never wakes up.
Is the ideal world population 8 billion? 1 billion? 200 million? Zero?
Might want to include some arithmetic and basic thinking skills to your mix.
Without a specific argument, I have to consider your reply an ad hominem attack on my intelligence. This leads me to wonder if you have a point, or you patently disagree or misunderstood me completely. If you need numbers go do any chatbot AI system. I would prefer a critique so I can then evaluate my own intelligence.
US TFR 1.98 in 2010 and has trended lower since then to 1.71 in 2019 and now 1.62 in 2023. This is an 18.18% decline in TFR comprising a 1.3% decline a year since 2010. If this rate of decline continues as it has since 2010 and is compounded 40 years, the US TFR will be the same of South Korea’s current TFR 0.81 just saying. SK already has a labor crisis and a massive mental health crisis due to digital device addiction.
I am not predicting the US TFR will ever be 0.81, but it is an open worth asking… what they heck is happening?
I know it is impossible to predict the TFR rate of change will continue at current rate, accelerate or reverse. I hope it reverses out of the blue, this is the purpose of my reply just like we need cheap energy, we need a baby boom.
A baby boom. would shift the focus from revolution and climate mania to raising families Instead of being morose and petulant country, we would be happier, And the doom of loneliness that is coming,…that is spending the middle and elderly years all alone running to doctors, will be avoided.
Yet the decline since 2010 is he steepest since Roe vs Wade and corresponds to the nation’s transition to life on line/on phone. I cannot make an assumption regarding causation based on the data. Yet based on my clinical experience working with Millennials and Genz, I can anecdotally infer that their dependence on their devices is a significant contributing cause. BTW 61% of America’s young adults report they are addicted to the digital devices…. all since 20007. Not addicted euphemistically, addicted pathologically…. with long term psychological intellectual and social consequences. No one should be wondering this or questioning it, it is pervasively self evident.
One concern is that immigrants when they come to the US see their TFR revert to the national TFR. This contributes to the acceleration of the downward trend. As the declining TFR creates a deeper and deeper labor crisis more immigrants are allowed to enter filling spots, yet the national TFR remains well below replacement level.
As South Korea, Japan, China, Canada, all of the EU, South Africa Brazil, Argentina, Australia and Russia, all with lower TFR’s than the US, compete for immigrant labor the global pool is reduced both for migrant labor and in new births in countries with TFR is above replacement level gradually dwindling to a equilibrium state where the demand for labor outstrips the supply.
And this is the revolution! A super efficient AI/automated centralized world were the demand for labor dwindles as the supply of labor dwindles and the globe depopulates into the 22nd Century.
What we need is a daily bison to human ratio metric widget and let it run for 150 years. No one will lie about the number of bison LOL
Does a high school diploma disqualify you as a climate expert?
Nowadays, it qualifies you as woke and otherwise uneducated.
But you will know which pronoun to use so not to offend.
The poll reveals that those 383 IPCC lead authors (Can there really be a total of 843 lead authors?) who answered the poll generally think that there will be between 2 and 3 degrees C of warming by 2100, from the putative “pre-industrial average” of 14°C.
It is a propagandist’s job to find people who can be labelled “experts” who will say what the propagandist needs for his/her/its story.
I have queried dozens of respectable scientists who have been quoted saying something fishy — and more than 90
% reply that they “don’t think I actually said that.”
When a propagandist emails an “expert”, they sometimes ask for a specific quote “Can you say something like….?” or “are you worried about your children’s future?”
And then there is the rule….never give any credence to a poll or questionnaire if the full exact questions are not made available. (They did give the question for the how high question.)
It has been my experience that on the rare condition that I have been interviewed, what was printed didn’t even sound like the way I speak, let alone something I remember having said.
On one occasion, when the young woman interviewing me discerned where I was going with my comment, she looked at the cameraman and slid her finger across her throat as instructions to cut off the camera. She didn’t even have the courtesy to edit me back at the office, instead demonstrating her disdain for my opinion.
First false claim is that the “Climate Scientists” said…. It was the Lead Authors. While some may actually deal with science in one form or another, a Lead Author is a tech writer and or manager both of which generally take politics seriously.
The second false claim is 77%.
First, only 45.4 % of those queried responded. So there is a vacuum of opinion by 54.6%. In other words, those voicing an opinion are the minority.
If one takes 77% of 45.4% one sees that of the pool of Lead Authors surveyed, all of 35% agree with the catastrophic predictions. In other words 2/3s of those surveyed disagreed or could not be bothered to respond, which implies it was not significant enough to warrant any kind of effort.
Or, many people realize that almost all polls are designed to coerce the respondent into little boxes that mostly are very poor fits for their actual views and values.
“Experts” have always predicted lots of future events that never happened.
Whenever anyone predicts future events, I ask them what time on what day these will happen. It doesn’t matter what their occupation is. If they can’t or won’t make that prediction, then it calls their “expert” future psychic ability into question quite easily .
When you survey a group of people who’s very livelihood depends on the global warming panic continuing and growing, it’s hardly surprising to find out that most of them predict death and despair in the future.
And when you see the number of people who are on your team who have a connection to the oil industry in one way or another it seems the same is true…. Human nature huh?
You mean they drive an ICE car?
No…. shall I name some?
I think a percentage would be more meaningful than cherry picked anecdotal individuals. Please cite you source(s) if you decide to carry out your threat.
No I think the percentage of climate science deniers who have a direct link to the fossil fuel industry would be higher than the % of climate realists who have a vested interest in green energy.
false equivalency. point refuted.
mining and pumping oil benefits almost all humans today. The green blob is just wealth transfer. You utter cockwomble.
In your opinion …. which you are welcome to. And if you think “cockwomble” is clever, maybe it is time to grow up just a little.
You really need to address your hallucinations with a professional before they seriously impact your ability to participate in the real world. Even now you are making assertions you can’t support.
“hallucinations” cockwomble? I don’t want to hallucinate that.
I found this fascinating description of the motivations of bushfire arsonists from Australia
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab6
It seems to fit the green persona well.
Think about it these people have nothing. They have social scientists and psychologists making their points for them. Where are the hard science people? Hiding behind the IPCC and the social scientists. What a bunch of cowards. They haven’t presented any proper science for decades. Any proper scientist clinging to this man made farce should turn in his/her science degree in today, they are a disgrace to the profession.