Burning Electric Bus in Wimbledon, London. Source Twitter, Fair Use, Low Resolution Image to Identify the Subject

EV Double Decker Bus Catches Fire in London Rush Hour

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Peter K, ozspeakup, Chris, Redge – Imagine being trapped in London rush hour traffic next to a huge 4500F / 2500C fireball, or even worse, being a passenger trapped on the upper deck of a burning EV.

THURSDAY 11 JANUARY 2024 8:48 AM

Electric double-decker bus erupts into flames in Wimbledon during rush hour

BY: GUY TAYLOR

An electric double decker bus dramatically caught fire in the centre of Wimbledon this morning, with residents reporting a loud bang and thick smoke.

Videos and photos showed clouds of smoke billowing from a red double-decker bus on Wimbledon Hill Road and Alwyne Road. ‘We heard a huge bang. We were terrified’ Max Pashley, a local resident, told City A.M.

There have been no reported injuries, according to the Met, while road closures and cordons are expected to remain in place for some time. “We thank the local community for their patience and cooperation as emergency services work at the scene,” a spokesperson said.

Read more: https://www.cityam.com/bang-heard-in-wimbledon-as-bus-erupts-into-flames/

A few videos of the disaster (h/t CityAM);

I’m amazed there were no casualties. Londoners might not get so lucky next time.

The next election for London Mayor is May 2nd 2024. There are a lot of reasons to vote for someone other than Mayor Sadiq Khan, but I suggest finding a candidate who will take these dangerous abominations off the road should be high on the list of every London voter.

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bobpjones
January 12, 2024 6:12 am

Oh, please God, let this be the ‘nail in the coffin’ for BEVs.

Reply to  bobpjones
January 12, 2024 7:45 am

If EVs were airplanes, they would have been grounded and taken out of service long ago – even ICE cars would certainly be under some imposed recall, but the green cult doesn’t care about you or your life, much less your livelihood or standard of living, so people will burn, roasting on the altar to Gaia.

Scissor
Reply to  PCman999
January 12, 2024 7:55 am

Not if the doors of those airlines were designed by a “woke” company. Woke is above safety on the progressive hierarchical needs.

Anyway, someone said just the other day, climb aboard the EV bus, the WEF wants to take care of you.

Reply to  Scissor
January 12, 2024 1:08 pm

Woke is just the face of management by accountancy.

Reply to  bobpjones
January 12, 2024 8:53 am

Amen to that, but…

By 2034, TfL hopes to have entirely transitioned to electric buses.

Reply to  bobpjones
January 12, 2024 9:03 am

End of road for EVs? Hertz to sell 20,000 since customers don’t like them – but could you get a good deal buying a cast-off Tesla for $18k?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/cars/article-12951939/hertz-sell-fleet-tesla.html

Richard Greene
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 12, 2024 10:01 am

Not true
EVs being sold due to very high repair costs

If customers did not like them, they would be low mileage EVs. In fact, they are 2 to 3 years old with 50,000 to 90,000 miles. Does that prove customers do not like them?

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Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 10:14 am

dickie boy doesn’t understand the words…

“due to lack of rental demand”

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 12:12 pm

Wake me up any of them sell for that price.

Reply to  Richard Page
January 12, 2024 12:45 pm

Exactly!

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 2:13 pm

So basically gilded golfcarts that are well past their proverbial half life

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
January 12, 2024 2:22 pm

The first 3 listed at Carmax … https://www.carmax.com/cars?search=Tesla
2018 model 3 with 14K mi
2022 model 3 with 19K MI
2021 model 3 with 22K MI

The model Y is similar
2021 model Y with 29K mi
2022 model Y with 11K mi
2022 model Y with 23K mi

The model X ranges from a 2018 with 16K to a 2020 with 50K miles

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 2:46 pm

“Not True” says Dick, with his usual bombastic, arrogant announcement, “You’re all wrong but me!” because Dick knows everything about everything.

Whilst failing to consider that cars today are, as often as not, leased or rented with a fixed purchase term and mileage agreement.

We note, but Dick doesn’t, that the vehicles posted are of ages and mileages, by and large, consistent with that principle.

In the case of Dick’s example, we know nothing about the rental arrangements these cars were subject to. Hertz do short, and long term leases. What are the histories of these cars?

And just look at the depreciation of those one and two year old cars!!!!

That’s horrendous. They were $60k+ when they rolled out the factory. We are only just into 2024 and they have shed nearly $40k in value! Nor is a spread of 50k miles to 90k miles unusual for a rental car travelling the distances required in America over that time.

Nor would anyone expect a car with a limited number of moving parts be expected to have high repair costs. At least that’s what the EV’angelists assure us.

What really makes me laugh is that the persistent whine from the green muppets over the years of “why does any car need to do over the national speed limit” has evaporated. Now they brag their sainted EV’s can go from 0mph – 60mph in 3.4 seconds and slip through the air at 150mph without breaking a sweat.

I keep saying this but Richard doesn’t listen. He makes great points sometimes and is onboard with us all in terms of the dopey climate nutters, but please mate, add some thought betwixt’d digit and keyboard. Sixteen downvotes so far, merely because you make a salient point badly.

Try beginning your post’s with “In my opinion” for a while, then move onto more sophisticated methods of making your point without appearing a blundering ass.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 3:37 pm

High repair costs? I could have sworn the EV addicts have been claiming that one of the alleged advantages of EVs was their low, almost non-existent maintenance costs.

Dean S
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2024 7:57 pm

If you can convince yourself wind and solar are “free energy” then the sky is the limit when it comes to EVs.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 3:54 pm

Your data does not support your claim.

I’m sure there are lots of people who are looking into EVs and decide to rent one first before putting down so much money that doesn’t prove that they remained fans of EVs after having rented one once.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 3:58 pm

Actually there’s even a year old car (barely). Millage is of no concern for the hire company. Their decision to flog and cut their losses is due to customer demand. Seems, there is none for EVs.

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 6:12 pm

What it proves, Dick, is that a few were rented by Uber drivers.
“Rent a Tesla near you for $334/week¹Great news! Now you can rent a 2021 or 2022 Tesla from Hertz to drive with Uber. Teslas qualify for the Zero Emissions incentive and allow you to earn more through Uber Comfort trips.”

Taken from the Uber website.

January 12, 2024 6:23 am

“Bus on fire and the fumes are awful”
From what I’ve heard those fumes are very dangerous, even deadly.

Scissor
Reply to  Thomas Finegan
January 12, 2024 7:59 am

If an oil or chemical company had created such a mess, it would be deemed a hazmat emergency and the remediation costs would be high. In this case, since the signal is virtue, it’s fine.

Reply to  Thomas Finegan
January 12, 2024 8:37 am

So much for “zero emissions” buses.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Thomas Finegan
January 12, 2024 10:15 am

A retired fireman I know said he never had to get a cat out of a tree, or a fireman out of a tree. But the joking stopped when I asked about EV fires. He said he was glad he never had an EV fire to put out. The fumes are so dangerous the firemen fear them. Their (unofficial) choice is often to stand back and let the fire burn if it is not near other people or their homes, because it is a fire very difficult to stop.

The batteries contain flammable chemicals and can release their own oxygen as they burn, allowing EV fires to reignite hours or even days after they appear to be quench

 During an electric vehicle fire, over 100 organic chemicals are generated,

Unlike ICE fires, an EV fire produces toxic amounts of hydrofluoric acid that can cause permanent lung injuries,

Combustion gases from all types of vehicle fires include a range of other toxic compounds, such as carbon monoxide (CO), hydrogen cyanide (HCN), hydrochloric acid (HCl) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). Asphyxiant gases, such as CO and HCN, may cause unconsciousness or death by asphyxia.

leefor
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 7:17 pm

Our policy is to stand at least 60 metres upwind and let the bastard burn.

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2024 3:13 am

HF is insidiously toxic and causes irreversible decalcification of the bones. Tens of thousands of Icelanders and their livestock died of HF poisoning during the eruption of the Laki volcano in 1783.

Fran
Reply to  Thomas Finegan
January 12, 2024 10:22 am

Another bus went up the next day. I went back to the Daily Mail to get the data, but it has been DELETED.

Reply to  Fran
January 12, 2024 1:17 pm

Its in the Daily Excrement, at least

Reply to  Leo Smith
January 12, 2024 3:49 pm

The one MSM source I didn’t think to search.

Bizarre that the Express was a right wing publication in the 70’s. My Dad read it fastidiously.

Reply to  Fran
January 12, 2024 2:28 pm

Gee, I wonder why?

Reply to  Fran
January 12, 2024 3:43 pm

Yes, I searched for a report on it after a local witness mentioned it online. I couldn’t find a report of it anywhere.

The public is getting wise to ‘denial by omission’ though. The ever steepening slide into totalitarianism by establishment propaganda is now being recognised by the sleepiest and most compliant amongst us.

We had some friends over for pre Christmas drinks and they nervously broached the subject of covid ‘vaccinations’.

They are fully paid up members of our local ‘beasting’ club – former Marines torturing 40+ year old paying clients to endure training and obstacle courses the former Marine probably failed in his 20’s a few times, in the pursuit of health.

They were utterly compliant to our governments ‘health’ propaganda, not knowing my wife and I had declined all Covid jabs until clinical trials were completed in 2023 (now deferred until 2024), but revealed they felt they had been conned by the British government because vital information about the jabs was withheld, and they now fear they have compromised their health.

I hasten to add that taking the mRNA jabs was not wrong, it was a matter of personal choice, for which I would have been demonised had I told anyone at the time I had declined.

My point is that, with no intervention from me, at least two people I know believe our government had conned them over that single issue, and they no longer trust what our government says on any other issue.

This belief is not restricted to covid and the ‘vaccinations’. I talk to people every day now who would previously had a screaming fit over doubts about or government, revealing to me unprompted, that they no longer trust our politicians.

I’ll add that both left and right wing have the same concerns.

2hotel9
January 12, 2024 6:25 am

I have read several articles about this, only a driver is mentioned, so far. Guess London Metro dodged yet another bullet with these firebombs on wheels.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  2hotel9
January 12, 2024 7:51 am

If there had been passengers, especially elderly people onboard, surely there would have been injuries and likely deaths….

Reply to  2hotel9
January 12, 2024 8:53 am

Well, if it’s only the bus driver that gets roasted alive, that’s ok, then… 😞

I know you probably meant to say that it could have been far worse if there were passengers aboard, especially because they wouldn’t be right next to the door.

I wonder if the bus was coming from just been recharged – some fault with the process then leads to the fire, before any passengers could be picked up.

2hotel9
Reply to  PCman999
January 12, 2024 10:01 am

I just said I had only seen reference to driver, no passengers mentioned and no one killed. And it is more likely it was at end of shift, batteries get hot as they are used.

January 12, 2024 6:34 am

And here in the U.S., VP Harris is pushing for electric school buses. It won’t end well. Not only for what may happen like this fire, but for the terrible range and performance in cold weather.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  David Dibbell
January 12, 2024 7:53 am

Electric school busses are about the worst idea going….the notion of a bunch of kids burning or suffocating to death is beyond the pale! Actually ICE school busses are very safe with regards to fires – diesel fuel is a lot less incendiary than gasoline.

Scissor
Reply to  David Dibbell
January 12, 2024 8:00 am

Send EV buses to the border and load them up with fentanyl.

John Hultquist
Reply to  David Dibbell
January 12, 2024 9:56 am

It was 0°F {-18°C} this morning at school-bus-time. (Central Washington State)
A bit north and east, and over in Montana, colder. A whole lot colder.
There, most schools closed for the day (Friday).
So no problem then.

Reply to  John Hultquist
January 12, 2024 2:37 pm

I don’t know how much colder it was in parts of Montana today (Friday), but in Winnipeg, Manitoba, in the 1940’s and 50’s, we walked 3/4 of a mile to school every day in Winter, and it was OFTEN -15 to -20 degrees F. If the people dress appropriately, most ANY Cold weather can be handled. Lots of “nipped” noses and ears… but so what? I am 88, went walking (half the time uphill) in a windchill factor of -21, and I’m still here. Care must be taken, of course… but we have raised a bunch of ‘softies’.

Reply to  John Hultquist
January 12, 2024 4:30 pm

In the late 60’s/early 70’s in Scotland, we used to have ice slides in our primary (junior) school playground. The Janitor (Caretaker?) used to spike with salt because it was a ‘health hazard’. Boy, did we hate the old bastard.

I used to walk a mile or so to secondary school. My first year there was about the first that didn’t do it in short trousers, irrespective of the weather.

At that time we used to play ice hockey on our local Loch (Lake). It was usually 30 or 40 per side (that varied during the game depending on which side was winning), using field hockey sticks, golf clubs, and figure skates, with a rock as a puck and no boundaries.

That stopped abruptly around the late 70’s when the Loch stopped freezing. Several years later I heard of ‘global warming’ and bought it because I ‘witnessed’ it.

Since then, nothing, nada, zilch. Oh! except for reduced fuel bills – and longer growing seasons (I also worked on the farm the Loch was located in and the farmer loved our new found warming period) and fewer roads blocked by snow and ice.

Our Janitor turned out to be a really nice bloke and was pissed that he had to spoil the kids fun because a grumpy old headmaster told him to.

I have also been on WUWT for decades now because I don’t believe the crap brainwashing about progressive warming is true. We had warming in the 70’s. Other than by fractions of a degree, that’s as much as we will get, until it’s over and we return to skating on the Gadloch.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gadloch/@55.9138248,-4.1688012,1245m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x488842f92fd3f5ad:0x488842f902968fa7!8m2!3d55.9135576!4d-4.1664565!16s%2Fm%2F0gxzkdf?entry=ttu

January 12, 2024 6:47 am

Blimey! . . . now who could have seen that coming?

“Those who do not learn the lesson of history are doomed to repeat it.”
— attributed to George Santayana 

John Hultquist
Reply to  ToldYouSo
January 12, 2024 10:22 am

Santayana and 97 others. Being a poet, his version sounds better than many of the others.

January 12, 2024 6:50 am

Note to self, “Make sure my broker avoids investments that include companies that make these things.” Quick check shows that Tesla peaked October 2021.

Scissor
Reply to  Steve Case
January 12, 2024 8:05 am

Financially, Tesla has enough market cap to acquire Ford, GM and another major. Retirees of those companies and the unions would get screwed, so politically it probably would not be allowed to happen.

Tesla stock will get to a point when it’s a buy again, maybe down another 100 points from here.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Steve Case
January 12, 2024 10:22 am

Tesla stock sold for $15 a share in 2019
and is now $219

You are data mining for the sole purpose of insulting the auto manufacturer with the second highest net profit margin (18%) in the world in 2022, only exceeded by Ferrari.

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 11:19 am

Steve is totally correct, Tesla shares topped-out in 2021…

Current value is now just above half of that peak.

You are DATA IGNORING. ! (as you usually do.)

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 11:26 pm

Tesla stock sold for 407 October 31, 2021
Tesla stock closed at 217 today
Almost a 50% drop in 2 years

Rod Evans
January 12, 2024 6:50 am

You wait ages for a bus, and then three turn up all at once……the story of London busses.

Reply to  Rod Evans
January 12, 2024 7:00 am

. . . you wait ages for a bus, and then one turns up the heat all at once.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
January 12, 2024 7:38 am

. . . you wait ages for a bus, and then one turns up the heat all at once.”
_________________________________________________________

Did you mean:

. . . you wait ages for a bus, and then one burns up all at once. (-:

atticman
Reply to  ToldYouSo
January 12, 2024 7:49 am

Around here you wait for a bus and it never turns up…

John Hultquist
Reply to  atticman
January 12, 2024 10:24 am

Godot?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 12, 2024 7:39 am

The story of ALL buses. You simply can’t run a “bus” (a four letter word to me, despite its appearance) on a reliable schedule when it is inching along in the erratic seas of traffic.

To exacerbate this “situation,” in my former home city, the “bus” drivers were required to stop at every “bus stop” where passengers were waiting even when packed, running late, and have the NEXT “bus,” running nearly empty, riding on its rear bumper.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
January 12, 2024 7:50 am

That’s probably city politicians trying to run the bus company – driver has to stop to make the waiting passengers feel better – even if it makes things worse.

Scissor
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
January 12, 2024 8:11 am

I was late getting to a stop the other day and almost left to come back later when another showed up. I had the whole bus to myself for about 8 miles, other than the driver.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
January 12, 2024 8:25 am

Maybe someone wants to get off? That’s why they have to stop, innit?

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
January 12, 2024 8:57 am

They would pull the cord or press the button to stop the , wouldn’t they???

The driver is being forced to stop, even with a full bus, just so the waiting passenger doesn’t go through the ‘trauma’ of watching the bus pass him by.

Drake
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
January 12, 2024 10:09 am

Lucky aren’t you, to have never had to ride a bus??

Robertvd
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
January 12, 2024 9:06 am

So that happens in more places than just the city I live in.

DFJ150
January 12, 2024 6:53 am

If the covid crap shots don’t get you, the rolling battery-powered human toaster ovens will. Those persistent genocidal globalists will have their world wide depopulation one way or another.

Robertvd
Reply to  DFJ150
January 12, 2024 9:21 am

2024 could become a Barbecue spring …… and summer…..and fall…… and winter etc…..

Reply to  DFJ150
January 12, 2024 2:55 pm

Population growth has been slowing for decades and is expected to turn negative in a few more decades. Families have learned that their children are surviving and they don’t need to have as many.

January 12, 2024 6:58 am
Reply to  It doesnot add up
January 12, 2024 8:26 am

You didn’t make it very clear, this is ANOTHER bus catching fire just a day after the first one.
The original was in Wimbledon (South West London,)
This one is in Woolwich (East London)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955951/london-bus-electric-double-decker-fire-wimbledon-second-explosion.html

Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 12, 2024 8:31 am

This 2nd bus was actually ‘On the school run

hahaha – What are modern kids like eh – always copying what they see on TV

DavsS
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 12, 2024 9:54 am

All is OK, TfL says they are safe…

Reply to  DavsS
January 12, 2024 12:18 pm

Yeah, TfL also reckon they’re solvent.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 12, 2024 7:46 pm

Grandparents in the future will tell their grandchildren: When I was your age, we ran from bus fires to school both ways and liked it.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 12, 2024 4:39 pm

To be fair to the bus, most things in Woolwich burn at one time or another.

Fran
Reply to  It doesnot add up
January 12, 2024 10:28 am

I went back to the DM and this story has been deleted!

Reply to  Fran
January 12, 2024 11:47 am

The link works for me, and the picture is in the story which includes detail on the new bus fire.

John Aqua
January 12, 2024 7:08 am

Creating worse problems trying to solve a non-problem. That is true environmentalism or mentalism. One or the other.

Reply to  John Aqua
January 12, 2024 8:25 am

Nearly* all schemes to combat “Climate Change” are counterproductive some more than others:

     Geoengineering tops the list. What could possibly go wrong?

     Decommissioning all types of power stations in favor of wind mills and
     solar panels ignores traditional wisdom regarding eggs and baskets.

     Regulating cattle ranching, dairy farms and rice paddies because of
     methane emissions is totally without merit.

     Regulation of nitrogenous fertilizer so far has produced agriculture
     disasters.

     Windmills are an application of 13th-century technology to solve
     a 21st-century non-problem. When Orwell wrote “Animal Farm” he
     needed a boondoggle that oppressive governments promote in order
     to create an appearance of progress. Orwell chose the windmill.

*Are there any that make any sense?

 

January 12, 2024 7:41 am

Just imagine a multi-vehicle pile-up involving several EVs. What would that conflagration look like? Could if burn through a bridge or overpass?

Scissor
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
January 12, 2024 8:13 am

Flaming dominos.

Lee Riffee
January 12, 2024 7:56 am

The trolls invariably come out and note that ICE vehicles have far more fires than electric ones. But when have you ever seen a bus (most are diesel fueled) ever erupt in a white hot rapidly spreading blow torch of flames like that? Answer is never!

Reply to  Lee Riffee
January 12, 2024 8:22 am

But, of course! Who doesn’t remember dealing with Diesel bus fires? Heck, it seemed like every other week one had to evacuate a burning ICE bus during the morning commute. Busy bus stops were well supplied with fire extinguishers and water buckets.

/sarc

Reply to  Lee Riffee
January 12, 2024 11:51 am

Most ICE vehicle fires are arson. Even more so in the less salubrious quartiers in French cities of course. I think they said they only had 745 fireworks on New Years’.

abolition man
Reply to  Lee Riffee
January 12, 2024 1:04 pm

Most ICE vehicle fires can be put out with a Class B fire extinguisher. I have yet to see one that can put out a lithium battery fire! Maybe throw some gas on it to make it burn out sooner!? How about squads of TrueBelievers armed with soy dogs and buns to take advantage of the heat! Whatcha think Greenies?

old cocky
Reply to  Lee Riffee
January 12, 2024 1:08 pm

Wasn’t there a documentary about that?

Sandra Bullock was in it.

January 12, 2024 8:17 am

“…expected to remain in place for some time”

so just how long is this thing going to burn for hours, days….. weeks! 😉

Reply to  Alpha
January 12, 2024 8:42 am

Attached is the Google traffic map for the area = about 35 hours after it took fire.

It is stated that the event was on Wimbledon Hill road (the A219 marked by the pink Xs) and near its junction with Alwyne Road (circled)

There’s a lot of red (closed) roads around there.

London-Bus-Fire
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 12, 2024 12:14 pm

Red is just traffic jams. Black is road is a parking lot. Red/white checker pattern is road closures.

Dr. Bob
January 12, 2024 8:19 am

I am part of the ASTM Aviation Fuels team that evaluates new fuels and power sources. At a recent meeting, the group investigating battery electric airplanes showed a video of induced Lithium-ion battery failures and the resulting fires. The failed cell over heated and caused a chain reaction, as expected. The discussed shielding and putting batteries into wings to improve safety. But this is a doomed mission from the start as a Li-Ion battery fire in an airplane will be catastrophic.

Next Up is evaluation of Liquid H2 in aircraft. Turns out that NASA experience is that Liquid H2 tanks must be kept at -253°C (-423°F) all the time or the tank will ultimately fail after a few cooling/heating cycles. An Liquid H2 tanks are NOT CHEAP! Another doomed proposal to reduce GHG emissions from aircraft.

More feasible are E-Fuels, fuels made from “excess” wind/solar power. Nice idea if there was such a thing as “excess” power. But the process to convert electric power into hydrocarbon fuels is costly and requires 100% continuous power supply but is based on “excess” power from intermittent power sources. What a concept! Yet this is the EU ReFuel directive goal, to have all liquid fuels produced from wind/solar power sources. The conversion efficiency, if this could even work is 30% at best based on thermodynamics and chemisty of each step in the conversion process. As this is thermodynamic efficiency, actual efficiency must be less than this. Good luck with this aspirational goal, EU!

Reply to  Dr. Bob
January 12, 2024 8:59 am

“But the process to convert electric power into hydrocarbon fuels is costly and requires 100% continuous power supply…”
______________________________________________________________

Nuclear power could do that, but out good friends on the left don’t like nuclear. Let’s see if I can dig up a quote from my file to illustrate that claim:

     ”Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent
     of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” Paul Ehrlich

Reply to  Dr. Bob
January 12, 2024 11:40 am

That’s to be expected when socialist political scientists in government pretend to be engineers and mandate using magic as a power source.

I wouldn’t even allow physical scientists to make decisions like that. Their minds are in the clouds.

michael hart
Reply to  PCman999
January 12, 2024 3:06 pm

My suspicion is that many politicians were sold on the idea that energy production will follow the same path as mass production of consumer goods. That, over time, it will become cheaper and cheaper.

They completely fail to appreciate that energy supply is not a regular consumer good. And also that the finest engineering minds on the planet have worked for centuries now to bring it to where it is today.

And then they fall for every green nutter and industry shill who claims they know an easy way to do it all better. All you need to do is hand over $Trillions plus the fruits of the industrial revolution and the freedoms of the enlightenment.

Reply to  Dr. Bob
January 12, 2024 2:48 pm

There are so many glaring ‘discard’ points in the meeting you describe: did this meeting take place in a mental institution?

antigtiff
January 12, 2024 8:46 am

The military could use EV bats as bombs but apparently too dangerous…too inhumane?

Reply to  antigtiff
January 12, 2024 12:24 pm

And not precise enough on the timing. Who wants a bomb that’s likely to blow up in storage or not go off once you’ve dropped it. A better option would be to decide who we don’t like and give them the EV’s and chargers very cheap.
If Brandon’s handlers had been more on the ball they could have left a thousand Tesla’s and chargers in Kabul instead!

January 12, 2024 8:58 am

I thought EV stood for “Exceptionally Volatile”.

Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
January 12, 2024 10:17 am

I like that one 🙂

January 12, 2024 9:06 am

I think that one of the Hybrid London buses caught fire this morning

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 12, 2024 12:25 pm

Hybrid as in half bus, half raging inferno?

MaroonedMaroon
January 12, 2024 9:45 am

Remember the good old daze … when all we had to worry about was lead contamination?

Now we have cobalt pixie dust from EV battery fires to supplement our quality of life.

Richard Greene
January 12, 2024 9:54 am

The Ford engineers who design EVs have discussed the worst possible uses of lithium batteries, and their conclusions were.

A heavy vehicle, like a truck or bus
A vehicle that carries a heavy load
A vehicle with a large interior that needs heating
A vehicle that has a lot of stops and starts in city driving, or a lot of hills to climb in country driving (or San Francisco)

A big bus filled with people (maybe school children) on a cold winter day is the worst possible use for lithium batteries

These were US engineers, so they didn’t consider double decker buses — they would probably be even worse.

There can be 2000 cells inside one car battery case and I suppose a lot more for a bus or truck. One defective cell could eventually lead to a fire. Engineers have no knowledge of how this could be diagnosed or predicted. In summary, they do not like EVs even though their career is designing EVs.

A potential disaster is ahead

I predict sometime in the future Jumpin’ Joe Bribe’em will lead a campaign to sell the lie that EVs are safe and effective, just like the safe and effective Covid shot propaganda.

Every problem we thought we knew about EVs turns out to be worse than we thought. And the running total of EV problems and disadvantages is growing to epic proportions.

Nut Zero is not needed and is a total waste of money. The best science we have estimates a doubling of CO2 would be harmless at worst and more likely beneficial for plant growth and a small night warming effect in colder areas. What’s not to like?

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2024 6:52 am

I remember reading (probably here at WUWT) some time ago about two German Public Authorities who had bought electric busses but gave them up as after just two years of operation the batteries needed to be replaced. Both were hilly places.

January 12, 2024 10:19 am

I wonder if McDonalds will start to advertise their double decker Big Macs on these buses …

Reply to  Gunga Din
January 12, 2024 12:26 pm

Self-cooking ones?

Reply to  Richard Page
January 12, 2024 2:18 pm

“Two all people-patties with Lith-Ion source …”

Bryan A
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 13, 2024 7:43 am

That’s the Quadruple Bypass

ResourceGuy
January 12, 2024 12:29 pm

Are the Houthies taking notes on how to make really big impacts with bus and battery fires?

Bob
January 12, 2024 1:00 pm

EVs are inefficient, wasteful, undependable, dangerous, can’t save anyone from anything, unaffordable and only profit politicians and those close to politicians.

January 12, 2024 1:07 pm

Oh dear, how sad,
never mind.
ANOTHER one has gone pop – this time in Woolwich.

I do hope they got fined for emitting illegal emissions.

woolwich
old cocky
Reply to  Leo Smith
January 12, 2024 1:26 pm

Another bus burning up
Another bus burning up
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another bus burning up, yeah
Hey, it’s gonna get cars too
Another bus burning up

old cocky
Reply to  Leo Smith
January 12, 2024 1:44 pm

or the Strayan version

Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up, lights up, lights up
Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up
Then the bus lights up, lights up, lights up

January 12, 2024 1:28 pm

Are hybrids at higher risk from fire?

Reply to  JohnC
January 13, 2024 4:28 am

Probably about the same as other EV’s. Not entirely sure. Is there a ‘critical mass’ of lithium batteries that make it more likely to have a fire?

Bryan A
Reply to  JohnC
January 13, 2024 7:46 am

Just ask that Range Rover owner at Luton

January 12, 2024 1:34 pm

A school system near where I live just got an EV school bus. Here in northern Michigan seems odd since they aren’t useful in winter and you don’t need them in summer.

”They received $395,000, the maximum amount available for one bus and one charging station.”

ResourceGuy
Reply to  mkelly
January 12, 2024 4:12 pm

It’s Michigan so they were pre-selected for funding and for following Party check offs. Next.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
January 12, 2024 4:53 pm

Probably.

observa
January 12, 2024 5:19 pm

Don’t forget to observe the growing experience of professional firies when you purchase your first EV. Particularly here (6:45 mins) to never leave it unattended at home while charging-
Electric Vehicle Fire – YouTube
Well maybe if you purchased one of those $3000-$5000 special fire blankets and had 4 strong blokes on hand to wrap it up then perhaps you could? I guess the boss at work might feel the same depending where it’s parked to charge. Certainly building owners are becoming increasingly aware of these safety issues with lithium batteries as no doubt their insurers are too-
Owners Corporation Network proposes new e-bike, e-scooter rules to reduce fire risk in apartments (msn.com)

observa
January 12, 2024 5:31 pm

More Green jobs-
Terrifying truth about how difficult it is to put out electric vehicle fire (msn.com)

‘The problem is that millions of electric vehicles are due to be sold with lithium batteries.

‘The way to prevent this is investment in new technologies to replace these highly flammable batteries.
‘Right now toxic gases are highly dangerous to the health and safety of firefighters on the ground as well.
‘These fires are virtually impossible to stop and until then we face an increase and likelihood of more.’

January 12, 2024 6:01 pm

M5 traffic live: Car fire brings motorway to a standstill in Gloucestershire
Motorway blocked following incident between junction 12 and junction 11a

Bookmark
ByPhil NorrisEditor, Gloucestershire Live
UPDATED18:53, 12 JAN 2024

not an ev

NEWS
ByKim HortonSenior Reporter

  • 09:14, 11 JAN 2024

A school bus driver has been praised for his swift actions after a blaze broke out. The incident happened on the B4215 in Highleadon and children from Newent Community School were on board.
Nobody was injured in the blaze which happened at 3.49pm. It took Gloucestershire Fire and Rescue Service an hour to put out and an investigation has now been launched into its cause, reports Gloucestershire Live.
not an ev

Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 13, 2024 3:24 am

Now compare the numbers of Diesel buses with that of EV buses. Rather more of the former than the latter, no?

January 12, 2024 6:17 pm

Life will really get interesting when cities (e.g., London under their super-woke Mayor) require all government vehicles to be electric. Driving an electric fire engine to a significant fire could provide a lot of entertainment. Buy popcorn.

Tom Johnson
January 12, 2024 7:30 pm

I was in LA a few weeks ago for a 5 day 4 night trip. I had reserved a car from Hertz. The cheapest cars at the airport were all EVs, with some nice Teslas in the group. I (for an instant) thought about renting one, since I haven’t driven a BEV since the GMEV in the 90s.

Then I realized that I would be driving all around LA for 5 days and would need to charge it at least twice, and probably three times. There would be no way that I had the time to find the stations that worked, and wait for the time to charge it. I rented a little Buick.

January 13, 2024 2:48 am
Philip Mulholland
January 13, 2024 9:37 pm

Bean2k22 appears to be in need of a publicity agent.

Peter C.
January 15, 2024 10:41 am

Must be a monster of a battery in a bus. Sounds like it went out with a bang, not a whimper.