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A federal appellate court ruled Tuesday that it would not reconsider an earlier decision that prevents the city of Berkeley, California, from enforcing its de facto ban on installing gas-powered appliances in new buildings.
Berkeley, one of the most liberal cities in America, enacted the policy in 2019, marketing it as a means of countering climate change while others railed against it as a de facto gas stove ban. The California Restaurant Association sued the city over the ordinance, losing its challenge in federal court initially before a three-judge panel vindicated the trade group in April 2023, a decision the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals opted against revisiting on Tuesday.
“By completely prohibiting the installation of natural gas piping within newly constructed buildings, the City of Berkeley has waded into a domain preempted by Congress,” Patrick Bumatay, a circuit judge on the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and member of the panel, wrote in his opinion. “The Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), 42 U.S.C. § 6297(c), expressly preempts State and local regulations concerning the energy use of many natural gas appliances, including those used in household and restaurant kitchens. Instead of directly banning those appliances in new buildings, Berkeley took a more circuitous route to the same result.” (RELATED: Electric Appliance Advocates Backed Study Driving Push To Ban Gas Stoves)
AOC Attacks Republicans Over Gas Stoves
OCASIO-CORTEZ: “I do think it’s funny, the…absolute…Republican meltdown…’You can’t take my gas stove…How dare you…You have a gas stove.’
“First of all, I rent.” pic.twitter.com/F32HhSzEga— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) January 13, 2023
Notably, the Biden administration made a direct appeal to the Ninth Circuit to reinstate the ban in June 2023, calling the decision to toss the ban “erroneous.” A month prior to issuing that brief, the Department of Energy asserted that it is “misinformation” and a “myth” that “the federal government wants to ban gas stoves.”
The issue of gas stove bans has proven contentious, as Consumer Product Safety Commission Commissioner Richard Trumka, Jr. said in January 2023 that “any option is on the table” and “products that can’t be made safe can be banned” in reference to gas stoves, according to Bloomberg News. Those comments and subsequent actions from the Biden administration targeting gas stoves and other gas-powered appliances spurred considerable pushback from elected Republicans; the House passed a bill in June by a bipartisan vote that would prohibit a federal ban on gas stoves.
The administration has also committed to spending hundreds of millions of dollars to help municipal and state governments craft “building electrification” codes, a move which several energy policy experts told the Daily Caller News Foundation amounts to a de facto backdoor attempt to ban gas-powered appliances in a way that is less politically toxic than doing so via federal action.
Neither the city of Berkeley nor the White House responded immediately to requests for comment.
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Well, Jumping Jack Flash (it’s a gas, gas, gas).
Jumping Jack Flash (it’s an EV spontaneously combusting).
Nice one!
Cooking on a gas stove is vastly superior. When I raise or lower the knob to change the heat level, the response is immediate. I can use a wide variety of pots and pans, many of which I’ve had for decades.
…and it’s CONSTANT. Many electric stoves (e.g. the ones that are affordable to most of us) maintain temp by shutting on and off.
My GE oven is also gas fired and it bakes very well.
Induction stoves aren’t terribly expensive these days. They don’t shut on and off as they heat the pot itself by induction, they don’t use heat.
I used to love cooking with gas many years ago but it’s a combustable gas and it produces fumes.
HotScot, what fumes are you talking about? Combustion of methane results in CO2 and H2O
But, but, but you forgot all the fumes from the added odorant, LOLOLOL!
Induction is only slightly more costly than a standard gas range/oven.
But it requires a replacement of much of the cookware I have acquired and seasoned over the years.
My sister bought an induction hob and then complained that, when she tried to boil a fruit/sugar mixture to make jam, it kept turning itself down before it boiled. She gave up…
All the induction ranges I’ve tried had controls that were very coarse, with a small motion of the knob producing a large change in heat.
But you and all living animals as well as some indoor plants produce fumes
Anyone of my generation recall the GE marketing program “Live better, electrically”. Water heaters, stoves, even forced air plenums were heated with electricity. Then it was decided this was to expensive, and the grid couldn’t keep up, so evening was pushed to use gas instead!
Everyone, not evening
The world needs a mix of energy sources and in some isolated cases I believe renewables play a part.
Consumers should have the choice based on cost and convenience for them. Not a government telling us what we can and can’t have.
About 40 years ago, IIRC, which I probably do not, the local (LV, NV) power company was pushing the electric heat pump because it was cheaper to run than a gas fired package central AC/Heat.
Their adds were CORRECT, for that particular stretch of time. They lasted about a year.
In Vegas there have always been areas of Horse Property that most people who built custom homes built all electric so as not to bother with LPG. Those who owned the homes ALWAYS complained about their high electric bills.
It has NOT been the case ever since. Due to fracking, even with the massive amount of gas going to electrical generation that SHOULD still be provided by coal, it is still way cheaper to heat water, and your home and dry clothes with gas. In the winter, my gas bill goes up WAY less than my electric bill goes down.
I’m with you on consumer choice, anyone should have the opportunity to install a gas stove, but a modern electric induction hob will boil a pot of water faster than, and respond as fast as, a gas stove when you turn it down.
I recently had one installed as we have always had electricity. I tried my daughters induction stove in her newbuild flat, and just went out and bought one that day.
The problem is, of course, that here in the UK gas is several times cheaper than electricity but the cost and hassle of having a gas supply piped in was worth avoiding.
We had gradually replaced our 30+ year old pots and pans over the last 2 or 3 years. They were so marked and bashed it was embarrassing, and the new stuff was all induction compliant anyway.
Isn’t “Induction compliant” a different way of saying “made from iron ore”? Of course, Iron ore is mined using fossil fuels, smelted using fossil fuels, manufactured using fossil fuels and transported using fossil fuels.
I must have missed the bit where I said they weren’t.
Pots can have complex structures and in-fills between the bottom surface and the bottom inside. Do not, with a magnet in hand, assume you can determine what is induction compliant.
Seemingly good pots can work well to the eye but when test show reduced efficiency. For example a very good pot will give 92% and a lesser one 75% efficiency. Further, induction cookers are rated for efficiency in classes such as A, B and C. In my experience I have never seen a pot-stove combination that achieved the claimed efficiency. Just a warning.
I could never replace my 40-year-old, well-seasoned cast iron skillet and dutch oven with an induction compliant one. I’ll stick with gas.
I’m only advocating correct information, not cooking appliances. If a magnet works on your cast iron, an induction cooker will too. If a magnet doesn’t work on your cast iron, it isn’t iron.
Well, I guess I am a bit misinformed. I don’t know what induction compliant cookware is. I didn’t envision it being old cast iron. My cast iron is indeed made of iron
Any piece of cookware that a magnet is attracted to will work on an induction stove. The stronger the magnet is attracted, the better it will work. An exception is non-magnetic stainless steel pots and pans can work on *some* induction stoves. Most of them have the ability to sense if a pan is magnetic enough to work. Since non-magnetic stainless steel *is steel* a pulsating magnetic field can still establish a field in the pan which will cause it to heat, but it will require more energy to do it.
There are aluminum, copper, and austentic stainless steel pans with a more magnetic layer bonded to the bottom or embedded within the bottom. Chef’s Ware (and some other stainless cookware) is made from metal that has multiple layers rolled together, I assume the inner layers are more magnetic than the outer layers.
Non-ferrous metals can be heated by induction but the energy input required can cause aluminum alloys and copper to reach temperatures at which they’ll soften, distort, or melt. It’s a case of not warming, not warming very much, barely getting hot, ohcrapitmelted. That’s why induction stoves have ways to sense if a ferrous pan is set on.
Any non metallic pan won’t work. Corningware and Pyrex will have to be relegated to use in ovens and microwaves.
Cast iron is excellent on an induction plate. I use three different sized cast iron skillets and a cast iron dutch oven on mine more than any other utensil.
I remember being told I should use gas..
… because it saved on electricity ! 😉
One problem with induction stoves is that they require a whole lot of fancy electronic controls. My brother quit induction after the system failed for a second time on a Bosch stove. A new ordinary stove was cheaper than the replacement electronics.
Gas stoves are considerably less complicated and far more reliable. Can’t get much simpler than a valve to turn on the gas and an igniter to light it and if the igniter fails there is always a match. I will stick with simplicity.
I’d have to agree, especially if you have cast iron cookware. I’ve got a crappy glass cook top in my house (don’t have the $$$ to replace it with a gas one that would use propane) but my husband set up a nice 2 burner propane camp stove on a table in the garage. There are certain foods that taste much better when prepared in cast iron pans, regardless of your heat source. Problem is with a glass cook top, you risk cracking or damaging it with cast iron pans.
The camp stove is a compromise in lieu of having a gas cooktop, but IMO the glass electric cooktops are the worst! They take forever to heat up and forever to cool down. If you are in a hurry you have to “overdrive” the burner by setting it on high for a couple of minutes and then turning it down to the desired temp. Honestly I’d much rather have a cooktop with the old electric coil burners than what I have now….They heat up and cool down almost as fast as a gas burner but it seems they are unpopular these days. Guess few people want a stove that looks like the one their grandparents had…
It is nice to have a side burner on a propane BBQ if you have no gas in your house.
My “glass top” stove (IR heated, I believe) is not slower than the coil heater stoves I used for the previous 35 years.
I have a non induction glass top range I have been using with my cast iron for 10 years. It works as well as an electrical range can be expected to work. I have made sure they have flat bottoms so they contact as much of the surface as possible and I discarded a couple of items that wouldn’t work. Lodge is a great source of cast iron that will work with a glass top range. Some of it is expensive but cast iron is a life time commitment. My mother has a pan that was given to her about 1950 and it was second hand when she received it. I believe it was originally designed to be used with a wood burning stove.
I even like looking at the flames of a gas stove.
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There’re enough quotes from the Climate Mob that the case can be made that by their own words, it’s a religion. Hence as the First Amendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion….
Then Congress shall make no law respecting Climate Change. Fat chance of that happening, but it’s a thought.
https://youtu.be/IukxuQv3QBk?t=32
They also passed the 10th amendment which made regulations not mentioned in Article I of the Constitution “…reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”.
The religion of Eugenics had plenty of Federal support in the first half of the 20th century.
I’m getting old and losing the plot, where did I find this little nugget…
Headline: Cackling Kamala sends Christmas greetings while cooking red meat thanks to a gas stoveIt wasn’t from round here was it?
American Thinker
Not the 1st time either. There are two stories there, she really is dumb
“…products that can’t be made safe can be banned…” Does that include lithium batteries (over 100 US fatalities and rising), wind turbines (over 20 US fatalities) and solar (over 115 US fatalities). And these figures are just for the human fatalities, not the thousands of birds, bats and other animals killed by them.
WOW, do you have links, or must I do the searches?
I know, someone PLEASE give me a crying towel!
I was being somewhat facetious.
Go look yourself, I had to look them up so you can too – I’m not spoonfeeding infants here.
If you need a crying towel then maybe you’d better check – your nappy might need changing as well.
Unpleasant and pointless remark.
“products that can’t be made safe can be banned”
Very strained logic.
Trumpka, show me the difference in Global temperatures or even Global CO2 emissions that would result from the elimination of gas cooking in the US.
To assume the ban is to reduce particulate matter in homes is absurd.
Its an oxide of nitrogen potentially involved in asthma that is the issue, not that there seems to be any real world evidence that said substance actually has any effect on asthma, a condition whose genesis is still unknown.
We must ban di-hydrogen monoxide immediately! It is lethal to breathe, or ven drink too much of.
“…products that can’t be made safe can be banned…”
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/bicycle/index.html
Ban the Bike!
No, no, no! It’s the fault of the motor vehicle! (sarc!)
In 2012, I took a little trip on a recumbent pedal tricycle pulling a trailer from Denver, CO to Pensacola, FL. Trip was just around 2,600 miles on secondary roads & bike only trails. No accidents, no flat tyres or other mechanical problems and took a bit under 3 months.
Ban Stairs:
In the USA, every year there is an average of 12,000 deaths as a result of a stairway accident.
Ban Breathing:
Everyone that has ever drawn breath has died. We need to stop this dangerous habit now.
Can’t make up my mind whether I should tag this /sarc, or /futureWEFrecommendation
And think of the “carbon emissions” that will be saved.
https://youtu.be/cVBppz64n_A
In 2000 the Guardian reported that 6000 people a year were injured by their dogs, 6000 by cups of tea. 7000 by hammers. And it even reported that trousers posed a risk.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2000/may/30/healthandwellbeing.health2
Ban them all.
Life’s a gas – Marc Bolan
How about some action to ban the greenhouse gas emissions from smoking weed, crack and other recreational drugs. Berkeley would have an uprising like no other.
Not everyone does the vices thing. They’re targeting everyone – who isn’t a member of the elites
Very likely true, that.
The irrational Methane bogeyman continues to afflict leftist brains who can’t fathom why it is a preferred fuel.
Leftist brains were badly affected long before banning methane became a topic of importance to them. Leftists all believe that only governments are qualified to tell you how to live your lives. It’s as if they never grew up and still want a mommy and daddy to save them from themselves.
In many cultures there have been sacred flames. It all part of a religious war.
Everything that makes our lives pleasant and enjoyable is evil in the minds of the far left socialist idiots. But still the far left socialist elites need not lead by example as their comfort and wealth are necessary for the “great reset”. The part time president, full time beach buddy will be happy to starve his minions of comfort as long as he doesn’t have to lift a finger.
Classical Gas is better.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwia7-erysaDAxVLlYkEHR_5CIYQwqsBegQIJBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmREi_Bb85Sk&usg=AOvVaw19g9wkt7WkquuiPe59EW5Q&opi=89978449
Wow!, thanks for that. Brings back many fond memories.
There was a local news show in Baltimore when I was a kid that played a clip of that song when it came on the air. That was back in the early 70’s.
I’m guessing that Berkeley is where all of the Berks live?
Berkshire hunts
For those not in the know it’s rhyming cockney slang for see you next Tuesday
Gas hearth products are a big part of my industry’s product mix. It seems like not to long ago the gov wanted us to market gas fireplaces as an alternative to wood burning ( air stagnation/ inversion ) due to valley air pollution in places from lots of wood stoves. Now here in Maryland too the legislature always seems to have some scheme to ruin another industry.
Oh and is there a troll problem going on? Was just wondering why my spot on relevant comment on gas industry in my state is awaiting approval. Maybe my sense of paranoia in the age of censorship is getting to me. Or it is just vacation time.
What happens here is nothing like MSN or Yahoo. If one complains that a submitted comment that is rejected is not a violation of Community Guidelines, they come back saying they’ll look into and get back. They also have the unveiled threat that if you complain too often (“too” is not defined) they will ban you. I still have not been banned, but they also have never gotten back to me. I also frequently see a notice about a “connectivity problem” that leads me to wonder if I may be getting special surveillance. There is trouble in River City!
California is defacto banning gas for new construction, regardless of what the judges say.
For new residential construction, it is impossible to get gas equipment(furnace & water heater) to pass their energy code (without spending an extra $30-50,000 – and that only works for big houses, for the little ones is is impossible) You still can have gas for a gas stove, but who is going to spend the money for the infrastructure just for a gas stove or washer?
You can still buy all the appliances you need in Nevada and other states and transport them in yourself.
There’s going to be a lot of “transporting in” of all sorts of things in the near future in California….household gas burning appliances, gasoline burning lawn equipment and cars and trucks. There are a lot of landscaping businesses in the state (as there are anywhere there are a lot of people living in suburbs). I have no doubt that more than a few will simply travel out of state (or have things shipped in) to get the equipment they need to do the jobs.
Dealers in nearby states will do quite well.
Buying ammunition is Nevada is easy. Taking it to California is a serious crime in Nevada law. The same could happen for all sorts of products. Also, many products readily available by mail order from other states will not be shipped to California.
Also, fortunately, per Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution (the “Commerce Clause”) only Congress has the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among states, and with the Indian tribes.”,
IOW, the State of California is SOL in terms of attempting to ban transportation of products (excluding potentially bug-infested fruits and vegetables) into the state.
As I mentioned above, they already do ban transport into the state of many products completely legal in other states, and have been doing so for quite a long time,
Yeah, but in most places you need a building permit to build a new house and you won’t be able to get a permit to install a non-compliant appliance and most of us lack competency to plumb gas.
Me. I would readily spend the money needed to bring utility gas to my (new) home to obtain:
— natural gas to fuel my home’s central heating (MUCH cheaper than electricity),
— natural gas to fuel my home’s emergency electrical generator (MUCH cheaper and more convenient than gasoline or diesel or bottled propane).
Per the above article:
AOC: once an idiot, always an idiot.
Agree 1000 times! Plus, she is not the only one in D.C.
Government needs to keep it’s nose out of our business.
The government kept its nose out of business before the Great Depression. With no oversite
businesses made up whatever facts and figures that would bring in more investors. After it all crashed regulation was adopted as the solution. Now with hundreds of trillions needing to be spent to stop warming, they say, there is no telling what will happen, but it doesn’t look good.
I would welcome the government serving in an investigative and advisory role, doing testing that I can’t do myself, and advising me when I’m being lied to by a retailer. What I don’t like is the government telling me what I personally can or can’t do or can’t buy. When Consumers Reports rates things like appliances, I’m still free to accommodate my personal preferences and tastes.
I would welcome the government serving in an investigative and advisory role, doing testing that I can’t do myself, and advising me when I’m being lied to by a retailer.
UL at least used to serve in the first two roles here. I recall there being another one but I don’t remember what it was.
Given how government lies, I wouldn’t believe anything they had to say on the last item.
I understand the tendency to look to others for guidance when things go bad, it is natural. The US has seen depressions and recessions before and after the Great Depression. Government interference has a tendency to mask the real problems and exacerbate the solutions. Government has a place to enforce the law and enforce light regulation. The Great Depression was a prime example of the incompetence of government.
We need more of these types of measures to prevent irresponsible and unrealistic governments at all levels from ramming through laws, regulations, and restrictions that will result in nothing more than higher costs and energy shortages for consumers while having little or no effect on emissions reductions.
I have NG powered hot water floor heating, range and BBQ. Very inexpensive to operate but taxes and delivery costs are getting onerous. Electric does not come close to competing even so. I have electric backup for heating so I could compare when I had a brief breakdown.
I can cook during power failures using a match for ignition. My gas range can be emergency heat although the moisture created is not desirable.
Failure of gas supply is far more rare than electricity disruptions so I keep a large generator for emergency use. If we were subject to long term electric failures I would have a NG fueled generator.
I live in central Alberta where we are subject to extremes in temperature in both directions so preparedness is essential.
If you attempt to take my gas appliances, watch for mushroom clouds.
We in the West are witnessing/experiencing the battle of philosophies: East vs West, subject vs citizen, tyranny vs freedom. This will continue until one is vanquished. Which does our society value more: guaranteed limits or freedom to soar???
What a distorted joke by biden!