Essay by Eric Worrall
First published JoNova; I wonder how their solar panels and frost sensitive EVs are working out for them?
Beijing breaks a seven-decade cold-weather record
Reuters
December 24, 202310:02 PM GMT+10 Updated 2 days agoBEIJING, Dec 24 (Reuters) – China’s capital Beijing has broken its record for hours of sub-zero temperatures in December dating back to 1951, after a cold wave swept swathes of the country and brought blizzards in its wake, sending temperatures towards historic lows.
Northern and northeastern parts of the country have experienced a record-breaking chill since last week, with some areas in the northeast hitting minus 40 Celsius and Fahrenheit and below, as biting cold air flowed down from the Arctic.
As of Sunday, a weather observatory in Beijing had recorded more than 300 hours of below-freezing temperatures since Dec. 11, the most for the month since records began in 1951, according to state-backed Beijing Daily.
The capital has also endured nine consecutive days of temperatures below minus 10 C (14 F) in this period, the Beijing Daily added.
Several cities in the central Chinese province of Henan, southwest of Beijing, are in the grip of a winter heating supply crunch, with thermal power suppliers in the city of Jiaozuo under pressure to ensure supplies.
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Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-henan-province-hit-by-shortage-winter-heating-after-cold-wave-2023-12-24/
No doubt climate alarmists will see it as proof of global warming disrupting the weather. After all, every unusual weather event is proof the climatic end times are upon us.
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I’ve always found the winter climate over the East Asian continent fascinating due to its stark contrast with North America. In North America, the Polar Vortex directs cold air southward during its weakened state, which causes rapid temperature drops and often accompanying severe snowstorms. The Siberian High, on the other hand, is a high pressure system that propels frigid air into East Asia, fostering clear skies that facilitate radiational cooling and the suppression of warm air. This also results in an extreme cold spell, distinct in its dry nature, which is the key disparity between these two atmospheric phenomena. East Asia is very dry as opposed to North America during winter.
It looks to me like that blob of cold air over China is headed towards the United States.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=201.51,64.85,264/loc=138.897,61.753
From the first sentence in Eric’s article above:
“I wonder how their solar panels and frost sensitive EVs are working out for them?”
Well, there was a clear indication on how China’s EV production was “working out” for them about six months ago, BEFORE the frosts came . . . see the video titled “China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars – Letting them Rot!“at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8
Re: Chinese DEMAND for solar — not so hot.
Re: Chinese PRODUCTION of solar
— their (and that of other investors in “renewables”) propaganda about human CO2 is keeping enough suckers in the West fooled into buying them (along with lots of help from thugs like “The Big Guy,” creating market share for them by fiat) —
still cranking them out (in their coal power electricity plants):
https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/solar-pv-manufacturing-capacity-and-production-by-country-and-region-2021-2027
Communist China is, essentially, ONE BIG SCAM.
I think almost every government in the world is a big scam.
China is in a class of its own, nevertheless.
One thing in all this that doesn’t get enough airing is that there is not one windmill or solar panel manufactured, transported or installed using windmills or solar panels for energy for energy. No one is melting glass (or even mining the ingredients for it), no one is making cement for the concrete bases, steel rebar for strengthening these foundations.
In fact, audits of CO2 emitted in having a finished renewable show that the life of a windmill or panel isnt long enough to mitigate the CO2 that they caused. This is why Europe and N. America have to get most of these silly machines from China. If they didn’t, they would have ever increasing CO2. When you hear EU or UK report how many tons of CO2 they have reduced with their renewables, they don’t tell you that the CO2 that the CO2 was just emitted elsewhere. THAT is the Big Lie!
Correct. Wind turbines and solar panels are 100% dependent on fossil fuels from cradle to grave starting with the massive amount of mining required to extract the minerals needed for their manufacture which requires the use of a lot of very heavy FF powered machinery. Every step requires FF powered machinery – mining, transport, manufacture, site prep, site construction, life cycle maintenance, and ultimate decommissioning and disposal with the added benefit that turbines, supposedly designed to last 20 years, frequently fail in 15 or so years because the bearing wear out, and solar panels degrade with each passing year and lasting maybe 25 years.
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Wind turbine manufacturers like Siemens Gamesa and Oersted are losing vast amounts of money, partly because the current high cost of oil and gas. Ironic.
Wind turbine manufacturers like Siemens Gamesa and Oersted are losing vast amounts of money, partly because the current high cost of oil and gas, but mostly because they imagined that taxpayers would fund (i.e., subsidize) overruns of their highly optimistic bids, no matter how great they became.
There! . . . finished the statement for you. No charge.
Russia is very envious of China’s plans and success.
Communist Shina gets 60% of their GDP from the 40% of their economy that is privately owned. That’s no scam
The US has about 65% of GDP from the private sector and almost 35% from government spending at all levels. That 35% is a scam if we still believe in capitalism
Government “spending” is nothing more than returning to the private sector money previously taken from it via taxation.
However, the larger scam is to believe feudalism, socialism, communism or fascism are better economic systems for the average Jane and Joe than is capitalism.
Perhaps in part. When governments create currency out of thin air, and deficit spend money not obtained through taxation, it’s just inflationary and debases everyone’s savings and earnings.
Exactly right.
‘…it’s just inflationary and debases everyone’s savings and earnings.’
That would be true if the government just ‘printed’ money directly. The reality is even worse because the Fed (and its member banks) create money (deposits) in order to purchase the government’s bonds. So in addition to monetary inflation, we’re also on the hook for the interest, which soon will be hitting a trillion bucks per annum.
Governments do not create money out of thin air
Only the Fed can do that multiplied by other privately owned banks
Deficits often lead to inflation ONLY because the Fed helps finance them
The Fed stopped financing deficits in April 2022 and reduced inflation to +1.4% year over year in November 2023, excluding shelter.
“Government “spending” is nothing more than returning to the private sector money previously taken from it via taxation.”
That’s socialist thinking and completely misses the connection between government deficit spending and consumer price inflation.
US government spending $7 trillion
Us government tax revenues $5 trillion
Borrowed money $2 trillion.
Is that any way to run a country?
Gee, I thought it was obvious:
Government deficit spending (i.e., “borrowing” money from future generations to spend it now) is nothing more than indirect, time-shifted taxation of the private sector, having its own scam of being able to postpone the day-of-balancing-the-books using payment of interest money that is itself obtained, of course, from taxation of the private sector and/or a further increase in deficit spending.
I find it strange that so many people don’t see this scam taking place.
It’s along the lines of:
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
— misattributed to both Alexander Fraser Tytler and Alexis de Tocqueville
Now, you were saying something about completely missing connections . . .
The government does not borrow money from the future. They borrow money now from investors around the world. They will never pay back those loans — they will be rolled over and the balance will continue to increase
They will pay interest which is about 2.5% of GDP now, less income taxes on the interest/
Interest on the US debt was an average of 3% of GDP from 1985 to 1995 with relatively healthy economic growth in that period — just one moderate recession in 1990, it was a typical decade.
Just as important as how the government gets money is how it spends the money. Remember that the average interest on th federal debt is only about 2,5% now, less taxes on that interest, which was a good deal for the taxpayers … if the spending made sense. ”
If you borrowed money at 2.5% and used it to buy your first home, people would think of you as a financial genius
If you borrowed money at 2.5% and used it for cocaine and hookers, Hunter Bribe’em style, that would be a completely different story
A large majority of federal government spending is transfer payments such as the Social Security and Medicare I receive. Plus the interest on the debt and military spending.
Some of the worst actions of governments are telling the private sector how to spend their money. No government spending involved except bureaucrat salaries, but big costs for companies.
Wow . . . such short-sighted, sophomoric thinking . . . and again, you miss the connections!
“First, the issuance of public debt becomes a burden on the future generation because more taxes are necessary to regain the same disposable income earned at the advent of the issuance.”
— https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=60617
“The Next Generation Will Know Debt Like No Other.
“. . . they will inherit a costly legacy in the form of America’s national debt. Today it already stands at $31 trillion. But it will rise rapidly in the coming years, growing to $52 trillion by 2033.
“Young Americans are set to inherit a budget and economy that leaves them worse off than their parents and less prepared to respond to future crises — the opposite of the American dream.”
— https://www.pgpf.org/next-gen
“Passing the Buck: How the National Debt Burdens Future Generations
“Assuming desired wealth is the amount needed to maintain constant lifetime consumption, more debt means less investment and a lower standard of living for future generations. ‘The models suggest that government borrowing primarily benefits current generations at the expense of future generations’ ”
— https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/passing-the-buck-how-the-national-debt-burdens-future-generations-301578290.html
I could go on and on, but need I?
The use of the money is important
Productive investments increase future economic growth
Anything else does not create faster future growth
US bonds sold to foreigners in the past with low interest rates turned out to be a good deal for the government and a bad deal for the foreign investors.
With deficit spending instead of higher taxes, the current generation will have more wealth when they die from paying lower taxes during their lifetime. They will also pass on more government debt to their children and a larger annual interest expense.
The key to determine if the next generation will benefit from prior deficit spending depends on what the spending was on.
A huge amount of debt was used to finance World War 2 and save the world from Nazi domination. That was valuable deficit spending.
So was building the interstate highways.
Financing Nut Zero with debt or with higher taxes is not a good investment.
The primary evil of debt is that it allows the government to spend money recklessly, while the taxpayers do not feel the immediate pain of higher taxes. It disguises reckless spending.
We now have $7 trillion of US government annual spending, $5 trillion of tax revenues and a $2 t rillion deficit
We would most likely be better off with a $4 trillion US government spending, with $1 trillion of tax revenues, even with a $3 trillion deficit.
The subject was US debt, but now you attempt to deflect it annual deficits.
Instead of talking about $2 trillion annual deficits, why not stay on topic and discuss the US national debt which will easily exceed $35 trillion in 2024 (equal to a debt to GDP ratio above 122%), of which only $7.8 trillion, or 23%, is currently held by foreign countries.
— ref: https://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html
‘Government “spending” is nothing more than returning to the private sector money previously taken from it via taxation.‘
If it was simply a return of taxes it would be innocuous. The problem is that government spending beyond that required to protect our inalienable rights is always a diversion of scarce resources (by force) from the productive to the unproductive. It is harmful, not neutral.
I never said or implied that the return of tax monies to the private sector was in any way fair or equitable . . . in fact, under both current progressive tax brackets and the current largest budget line items (Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, with DoD spending being only about 29% of the larger items combined), it is indeed a distinct redistribution of wealth.
1. Given the 100% control the Chinese government has over “private capital/property,” there IS NO PRIVATE PROPERTY in China.
Just try executing a “private” contract in China and you will discover that “liberty of contract” does not exist there. Any assertion of “private property” in China is ILLUSORY.
2. Q: Where do the funds come from for U.S. “government spending?”
3. That the U.S. badly needs to replace the socialists styling themselves “Democrats” with free market/private property-respecting leaders and rescue our economy from their foolish, destructive, policies is true. That, however, does not make the U.S. economy equally (or even comparably) a scam as that of China. As if.
In other words, in your typical trollish manner, you engage in the FALLACY of False Equivalence.
(Note to anyone unfamiliar with Mr. Greene: His history of comments has revealed him to be one of WUWT’s more subtle trolls. Thus, my sharp tone.)
Greenie’s ignorant arrogance has become very noticeable of late.
Maybe the greenie is going through some sort of mental crisis ! ?
I do get nauseous reading your comments
Does thaat count?
I can see how they would strain your brain.
Accepting reality can be hard for those with huge unwarranted egos.
Troll = anyone who does not agree with Moore’s opinion
Subtle troll?
I use my real name
I often provide detailed comments with conclusions supported by facts, data and logic.
In the 40% of the Chinese economy that produces 60% of their GDP, the profits go to te owners of the businesses. That is capitalism. Strong government regulation of those businesses is fascism. No elections is Communism. The Chinese system is a mix of capitalism, fascism and Communism
Do you claim in the US our various government do not have strong control of businesses, particularly regulations under Joe Bribe’em? We are rapidly becoming a fascist nation too
All of the above (and, likely, more — just not taking the time to make you a research project) = TROLL.
So, you use your real name. More’s the pity.
Generic childish insults and false claims
Not one claim backed by any quotes from any of my comments, not an out of context quote intended to make me look bad
You are a nasty boozer and a loser.
One cheap shot after another
I am willing to debate any sentence or paragraph from a comment, but you are not interested in losing a debate. You are just interested in character attacks
RG, did you stop to think for even one
secondminute about the juxtaposition of those two consecutive statements? Obviously not.LOL!
Keep in mind that one of the primary reasons China is spending American debt dollars is to keep good Chinese citizens working constructively nd earning salaries. Don’t ask about bad Chinese citizens.
Where capitalists hate to see waste, Chinese communists are not wedded to capitalism ideas and horror over stuff thrown away. Indeed, modern China is very much a throw away society for many of the cheap geegaws modern society hold so dear.
Excess product is simply waste or possible spare parts after smelting and refining.
“Chinese DEMAND for solar — not so hot.”
CORRECTION
With a whopping 430 GW solar capacity (As of April 2023), the country is the largest producer of solar energy in the world.
Tell it to the IEA (who provided the data backing up that assertion — see my cite)
Deception
Chinese subsidies launched a lot of small EV manufacturers and EV city ride hailing companies that later went broke, leaving behind lots of small low priced obsolete short range EVs.
Impossible to install larger higher range batteries to make the cars saleable.
You can blame Chinese government micromanagement but a similar tend happened in the US auto industry when the Depression hit. There were about 1,900 US car companies since 1895 and eventually only three survived
EV production and sales are currently booming in China
In 2023, production it expected to reach 8 million units, or 25 per cent of all cars sold in China compared with 22 per cent in the European Union, just 6 per cent in the United States, and a measly 3 per cent in Japan. Chinese firms also offer 90 different EV brands at prices ranging from US$5000–90,000.
Misperception
“Producing and selling” is not the same thing as “using”.
It is assumed that people who EV
s use them. The junked EVs from bankrupt companies got little or no use, but no one wanted cheap EVs with short range batteries, some from companies that had gobe broke..
What are you talking about?
Wes, no one wants free stuff, ever.
They would rather walk to work in the rain than use a free short range EV.
I’ll be happy to take a “free short range EV”.
Incorrect. Those EV’s in the fields are not ‘junked’ nor are the companies bankrupt. The EV’s are being ‘stored’ there and the companies are still active – it is still possible to ‘book’ one (as a sort of Uber) but you can’t pay for it and nobody will tirn up. Why? Because it saves face for the Party – they invested billions in these schemes and, that they are ‘still going’ is a success story. The fact that it is a fig leaf to hide a huge disaster is, and never will be, admitted in public.
So those cars are not available to be bought, even if anyone wanted one, and are still registered on the roads even though they will rot in place.
Where’s my edit button; missed a couple of words, misspelled one and a couple of grammar issues I’ve just seen.
I usually spot those kinds of errors right about the time I hit the “Post Comment” button. Then it’s too late! 🙂
“US$5000”
?? what’s that, an electric rickshaw?
Well you say that but, absent the fire hazard, e-bike rickshaws or tuk-tuk’s make more sense in inner cities, even in the West, than most EV cars do.
“”cold-weather record””
Must be global warming; again
Well, I have on good authority that 2023 will close out as the hottest year EVER . . . that is, IF you don’t include the months of January, February, November and December, and don’t start comparing years until, oh, after 1880 AD.
How are we getting this much cold in a warming world ?.
Because its linked to changes in the global jet stream and thus the weather patterning.
This current warming looks be be braking down the zonal flow of the global jet stream and with that the global jet stream is becoming more chaotic. What’s seems to be happening is that a more chaotic jet stream not only increases the efficiency in the movement of the air masses across the globe. But also increases the efficiency of heat loss through the atmosphere.
As this is becoming my current thinking into explaining why there has been warming of the UK winters during the last 50 years but little change in the timing of the first snow over this time.
“This current warming looks be be braking down the zonal flow of the global jet stream and with that the global jet stream is becoming more chaotic.”
Nobody knows why the jet streams do what they do. There are a lot of theories out there, but nothing defninitive.
The current warming, being equal to past warmings, may or may not have anything to do with the jet stream configuration.
As far as I can determine, the jet stream is behaving the way it has always behaved. In the winter, it brings cold arctic air down into the United States once or twice a year. It’s been doing that my whole life. I see no changes.
The Cold Blob that is freezing China and Japan is headed towards the United States. Right on time, as January 15 is the coldest part of the year here. At the present time, the U.S. is getting milder Pacific air over most of the U.S., (El Nino circulation) but the arctic air is coming.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2023/12/28/1300Z/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=226.54,47.55,264/loc=138.897,61.753
They said exactly the same thing in the 70’s but they blamed the global cooling then. So much for that theory…..
Tony Heller covered it here at 3:15
desert weather
=What happens when there’s no water in any given landscape and no means of capturing or retaining any
everyone better start getting used to it
“and no means of capturing or retaining any”
And yet the level of Lake Mead is rising. Must be fake news. /sarc
Thank goodness they are building lots of coal fired power plants, they should be okay. But they are communists so they are probably freezing in the dark anyway.
They became communists because they were already freezing in the dark.
And then they killed 60 million or so of them.
The former Chinese gangsters became communists to have a nationwide syndicate,
a “dictatorship of the elite” where “some” who “are more equal than others” possess “private property” and make the rest their serfs using the barrels if their guns (which, of course, only they possess).
(See Friedrich Hayek)
Story tip – WATCH: WHO Terrorist Declares Fatwa on Global Agriculture – PJ Media
He needs to have his food intake restricted.
Globally, December 2023 will break all previous warmest global December records. In every data set, both surface and satellite.
But look, a squirrel… somewhere!
Probably true but can we wait another two weeks for official December data?
Fair point. As you probably know, all the surface indications so far in December make a new monthly record inevitable. Satellite usually has a longer lag on ENSO, which continued to remain very high in December; so UAH and co are even more likely to beat their previous warmest global December record this year.
But hey, it’s cold somewhere, so let’s pretend that isn’t true… until it is.
Sorry, should add that satellite data also have a much stronger response to ENSO fluctuations than surface data, which is why UAH and RSS are likely to post much higher than average December anomalies this month.
Yep, GOTTA have those El NInos to get any warming
Now.. have you any evidence of any human causation?
Totally absent from you…for EVAH !!
I assume that means that you know the warming is TOTALLY NATURAL. !
Again, the magic El Nino that exists in a b-nasty’s imaginary universe where there is no counter-balancing La Nina.
One wonders how the oceans haven’t boiled by now. (Oh, there is a La Nina!)
DENIAL is all you have.. and the total ignorance of El Ninos and La Ninas
Still no evidence of any human causation.
Your PANIC and FETISH about warming spikes caused by El Ninos is hilarious. 🙂
And again… no explanation of how an oscillation can cause a trend. On it goes.
There is no beginning to b-nasty’s comprehension of this subject. But he’s fun to keep around.
Again, no understanding of El Nino/ La Nina
Not up to me to make you any less ignorant.
You have proven that you are not able to be educated to reality.
Human causes of warming (AGW)
Added CO2 emissions
Lower SO2 emissions
Increasing UHI / economic growth in the vicinity of land weather stations, even rural stations
Land use changes — cutting trees for solar farms and agriculture
Inaccurate and/or pro warming biased infilling, measurements or statistics, or pro warming biased adjustments to good measurements
LOL.
Provide even ONE piece of data proving CAUSATION between human CO2 emissions and ANY meaning shifts in the climate zones of the earth.
As for the mid-level troposphere “hot spot,” in Dr. Trenberth’s words:
“Where the heck is global warming?”
Finally, ALL the climate computer simulation “models” are UNSKILLED.
Game over, troll.
You are a typical conservative climate denier, science denier and climate science know nothing. And a childish name caller too. I happen to know Janice Moore is just a moniker and your real name is Lulu Lipshitz and you live in La La Land.
Poor greenie.. has been called out .. and the petulance begins.
Hilarious.
😀
“Human causes of warming (AGW)
Added CO2 emissions
Lower SO2 emissions”
How much warmth does added CO2 add to the atmosphere?
How much warmth does lower SO2 amounts add to the atmosphere?
Those are rhetorical questions. Don’t bother answering, because nobody knows those answers.
CO2 alone adds about 0.7 degrees C. per doubling, and up to +1.5 degree C. with significant water vapor positive feedback. A middle of the road measurement with some water vapor positive feedback is +1.2 degrees C. These numbers are from the HITRAN and MODTRAN databases used by William happer and Richard Lindzen among others. But of course you know better?
These small average temperature increases are all harmless for humans and animals and beneficial for plants.
At the current rise rate of +2.5ppm a year, a doubling of the current 420ppm CO2 would take 168 years
The warming since 1975 was mainly in colder nations of the N.H., primarily in the coldest six months of the year and primarily at night (TMIN). Think of warmer winter nights in Siberia … which are good news climate change
Antarctica did not warm at all because of the permanent temperature inversion over most of the continent means more CO2 to cause global cooling of those surface areas.
Noted… that yet again, you are unable to produce anything but a mindless yap, when asked to produce evidence of human causation.
Who mentioned human causation? Oh, it was you.
Do you not ever feel silly at all, looking over your past posts?
Great ,
… you have finally ADMITTED that the warming is TOTALLY NATURAL
And that there is no human causation
Well done!!
Now stop your mindless caterwauling about a minor warming out of the coldest period in 10,000 years.
there is no way to explain exactly what every climate change variable has done since 1975 to cause warming BUT
There is more evidence to support manmade causes of warming than evidence to support naturl causes.
Not that it matte rsmuch
Warming is good news
Colder is bad news
Plants love more CO2
The coming CAGW crisis is a hoax that has been wrong since 1979.
And you have yet to provide ANY evidence of your conjecture.
Benign or harmful, there is no evidence proving humans cause climatically meaningful “warming.”
Further, the ice core DATA indicates that warming PRECEDES rises in CO2.
Finally, as to the ~3% of atmospheric CO2 which is from humans, there is ANTI-data (opposite your human influence speculation):
CO2 UP GREATLY –> WARMING NOT.
Game over, lukewarmer troll.
You are a 3% dimwit and a temperature leads CO2 dimwit.
Mental midgets like you make conservatives into a laughingstock
Those of us with some basic climate science knowledge know the difference between real climate science, junk climate science and data free wild guesses of the future climate. You don’t
Please throw in that all global warming is caused by El Ninos next time for the trifecta of a complete climate clown.
Little greenie has failed and now goes into petulance overdrive.
Hilarious to watch.
Denial of the effect of El Nino, when those effects are plainly obvious n the data.
Sadly anti-science..
But what more can you expect from a mentally sick greenie.
“Those of us with some basic climate science knowledge”
Tell us when you reach that stage… ..
.. looks like you haven’t even got out of the bathroom. !
😄
You know what? I am actually GLAD you are here, R.G.. You are SO FUNNY (not being sarcastic).
We shall call you “Troll Extraordinaire.” And we shall award you our “Troll of the Year” prize at our next banquet. Yes, there is a little trophy for you to take home to your cave. (probably being a little facetious, here).
Still smiling.🙂
Does temperature not lead CO2 in ice core data Greene?
There is no evidence of any CO2 influence in UAH 1979-2023.
homo sapiens are natural- ergo, it’s all natural
You are fooling no one, TFN.
When you characterized B. Nice’s assertion that any warming is, so far as ANY evidence shows, “TOTALLY NATURAL” as
“imaginary,”
YOU asserted that the cause was –> human.
fungal works with petty and mindless innuendo.
Evidence.. not within its capacity.
Al Gore insists they are boiling now.
Al Gore did a good rant on CNN the other day. He hit every one of the climate alarmist talking points, and said it all with such certainty. Being wrong about the climate a hundred times doesn’t faze him a bit.
certainly the warmest sic months since 1950 and possibly the warmest six months in the pst 5000 years, I don;t know aboyut being warmer than any six month period within the Holocene climate Optimum 5000 to 9000 years ago.
Of course it is well known that the global climate was perfect at 3:05 pm on June 6, 1850, and any deviation from that perfection in any direction is a Code Red Climate Catastrophe Stage IV.
And also, Climate Change Will Kill Your Dog
That’s a perplexing statement. Where is your evidence?
I think the greenie will refer you to some AGW-agenda hockey-shtick style Holocene temperature fabrication.
He doesn’t have any evidence. He is speculating.
None of the combined local climate proxies (v creating a fake global average) for the warm periods in the past 5000 years averaged more than +0.5 degrees C. warmer than the last 10 years. +0.5 degrees C. is certainly lower than the likely margin of error for any local proxy climate reconstruction.
The last half of 2023 is unusually warm from an El Nino, even compared with the past ten year average.
It is very likely, in my opinion, that the last half of 2023 will be the warmest six month period in 5000 years.
Your mathematical ignorance is now showing through.
Thinking you can average proxy record..
As you say “creating a FAKE global average”.. which is what you then use… pretty dumb.
Then thinking you can compare to a brief transient.. which you now ADMIT is from the El Nino.
Most areas around the globe were 3 to several degrees warmer than now.
Your opinion is worthless against the facts and reality.
Your disgusting lukewarm mixture of a little truth in a pot of half-truths and misinformation is NOT FOOLING ANYONE.
The burden of proof is on the AGWists (whether lukewarm or hot). You, et al. have yet to produce any evidence PROVING your assertions.
Well said Janice. 🙂
Thank you, B. Nice. 😊
And you have a big butt if you think trading insults if fun/
R. G.. I am disappointed. That was just dumb. Please, go eat a snack, play with the dog, and bring back your FUN humor. 🙂
I don’t car who or what caused it- I like it. Longer growing seasons- slightly warmer and wetter climate here in Wokeachusetts. My garden, lawn, flower beds and trees never looked so happy. No reason for tyrants to tell us how to live- what to eat- how to produce needed electricity- what to drive.
Increased warmth or increased CO2?
We love our warmer winters with less snow here in SE Michigan
Warmer is good
Colder is bad
Oh! look a mass of record cold air during December not only in China but also in Russia.in what’s claimed to be a ever warming world.
It’s odd that people who will shortly flat-out deny the up-coming warmest December on record data, will use exactly the same data sources to highlight regions of colder than average air.
Flat out DENIAL of the fact that the world is still cooler than most of the last 10,000 years.
Barely tepid , after a minor degree or so since the coldest period in those 10,000 years
And of course, It is all from totally natural El Nino events…
You have continually shown there is absolutely no human causation.
I know it hurts, b-nasty, but your beloved UAH is about to betray you, yet again.
This time with a new record warmest December and new record warmest year.
Oh Dr Roy! Where did it all go wrong?
You are showing your blatant ignorance yet again.
UAH shows the warming is ONLY at El Ninos.
You have now admitted that this warming is totally natural.
There is absolutely no evidence of any human causation in the beneficial warming in the last 45 years.
UAH totally destroys the AGW meme.
Again, the magic El Nino warming that has no counter-balancing La Nina cooling.
La Nina is banished from b-nasty world! Cooling phases of ENSO do not exist, by order!
In b-nasty’s little world, oceans only ever warm and never cool. That’s why there’s global warming. Don’t ask him how the oceans haven’t boiled over by now, because….??
Simple (for the simples).
Again, you display you abject ignorance of El Nino and La Nina.
Why keep doing it ???
You are showing that you are totally clueless how it actually operates.
Its quite hilarious. to watch you displaying your total lack of understanding.
So I’ll just let you keep doing it. 🙂
I know simple graphs are really way beyond your comprehension age..
… but I’ll try anyway.
The SUN drives the warming.. absorbed by the oceans then released at El Nino events
Are you challenging the simpleton for ignorance ??? Doing well !!
I’d like to see him explain how GHGs can cause the long term warming trend when CERES shows that OLR has been increasing from 2000-2023.
Don’t waste time arguing with an El Nino Nut
Use you tie to teach your cat geometry
Much easier
Are you saying fungal should be ignored !
That little children who PANIC and carry-on like a brainless chicken-little over El Nino transients should not be countered…
I’m sure your cat knows more about geometry than you ever will, Greenie !!
How many people complain about a relatively warm December?
You and Joe Bastardi and David Wojick are officially the El Nino Nuts.
You all should record a rap.
Don’t see no El Nino
Be goin’ to the
Latino Casino
in Reno
In my El Camino
To drink some Vino,
and Pellegrino,
then Cappuccino,
followed by a handful
of Beano.
You mean that Joe and David actually have way more understanding of El Ninos than you will ever be capable of !
Is that what you are implying?
Stick to finance.. science does not appear to be your “thing”
Je B. is a science ignoramus
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Wojick writes very good energy articles but is an El Nino Nut too
the greenie seems to be the one that “is a science ignoramus” around here
Either one would have more understanding of climate, El Ninos etc that you are capable of.
Stick to insults…you’re better at it
Greenie has obviously been mixing alcohol with some other illicit substance.
Heavily under the influence at the moment, by the garbage he is typing..
Probably has been for most of his life.
I have not had a drink since the 1970s but may start drinking again to lower my IQ to your level, Insult Queen.
“to lower my IQ”
Poor greenie.
You are already in negative territory !!
Your Mother wears Army boots
They are in excellent company along with Richard S. Lindzen, Patrick Frank, William Happer, Freeman Dyson, Fred Singer, Demetri Koutsoyiannis, Jennifer Marohasy, Peter Ridd, Jim Steele, Bob Tisdale, Steve McIntyre, Ross McKitrick, Willie Soon, Christopher Essex, Susan Crockford, John Christie, Judith Curry, and many, many, more BONA FIDE, HONEST, scientists.
Tell me, oh pretend to be a genius, which names on your list deny there is a greenhouse effect and that manmade CO2 is part of it?
I await your usual charming comment.
Observed and measured warming by atmospheric CO2.
Absent as your mind.
All of them:
2. Know that the magnitude of the effect of human CO2 is too small to be measurable (i.e., it is merely assumed by the lukewarmers and AGWers to be a controlling driver) and is not at all proven to be a CONTROLLING driver of warming/climate (i.e., its effect is lost in/obliterated by the effect of H2O).
That is, human CO2, as the evidence now stands, causes NO meaningful shifts in the climate zones of the earth.
3. Thank you! 🙂
Well l can explain the warming of the UK winters since the 1960’s due to weather patterning. A decrease in northern blocking as well as a increase in high pressure to the SW and South of the UK would explain it.
How to prove this!, trawl though the weather records of the 1960’s winters and compare the amount of time the wind spent coming from the West to South direction during the 60’s winters compared to recent warmer winters.
How does this explain the obvious and statistically significant global warming trend?
Or the statistical improbability of every month being warmer than the previous years one and every year being warmer than the previous year? That there isn’t a year or month that is cooler than the previous ones as an outlier is a statistical impossibility. There should be one or two, now and again – but there aren’t, are there? It’s almost too perfect – just to maintain the fiction of the 0.14°F/decade warming trend. I call bullshit on this one.
I think you’ll find it’s a +0.14C per decade warming trend (C, not F), and that’s the lowest 30-year trend in all the data sets we have (UAH, which measures lower troposphere and is contradicted by RSS, which measures the same thing).
Surface data and RSS report ~0.2C per decade warming globally over the past 30-years, which is in line with the IPCC projections.
And NOAA-Stars 2023 reports less for UAH because of warming data bias . “In the second subperiod from 1991 to 2002, the STAR V.4.1 and RSS 4.0 exhibited a similar large upward trend relative to STAR V5.0 over the ocean. This occurred because the former data sets used the TB data of before recalibration for NOAA-11 to NOAA-14 which had large spurious warming drifts up to 0.19 K/decade (Figure 3b).”
“The total trends over land in the STAR V4.1 and RSS V4.0 during the entire observation periods from 1979 to 2021 were warmer than STAR V5.0 by 0.045 K/decade (36%) and 0.036 K/decade (29%), respectively. In contrast, the UAH V6.0 warming trends were close to STAR V5.0 within 0.002 K/decade (1.8%) over land for the entire observation period.”
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2022JD037472
RSS is BS
Made huge warming adjustment in 2015 or 2016 with no explanation other than to match surface numbers and become more popular
Integrity = zero
No, whenever I’ve seen it written by someone with a brain, not a bottom-feeding troll, it’s been 0.14°F/0.08°C per decade.
From Roy Spencer’s website:
The linear warming trend since January, 1979 still stands at +0.14 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.19 C/decade over global-averaged land).
UAH Global Temperature Update for November, 2023: +0.91 deg. C – Roy Spencer, PhD. (drroyspencer.com)
That is the figure used for North America most often. NOAA and the EPA have it at 0.14°F/decade for the global trend from 1901 through 2020 from NOAA Merged Ocean Land Global Temperature series.
Not that it really matters, there are numerous different figures used as the warming trend by different people – it seems to vary more than ECS proposals. I just use this one because it seems to be the most commonly used metric by the climate enthusiasts.
Warming trends were higher in the recent past.
The UAH satellite record shows a warming trend of 0.14C per decade, while several previous warming periods show 0.15C and 0.16 warming trends, according to Phil Jones.
Well if the same trends in weather patterning were happening across the NH.
Then “hey! Pesto” you will have climate warming.
That’s the NH; I was talking about the observed global warming. Why is there statistically significant global warming over the past several decades if it’s all down to winds, or whatever?
Observed global warming ONLY from what you now admit are totally natural El Nino events.
You have admitted there is no human causation.
Why continue to carry on like a panic-driven chicken-little chicken-brain ???
Te El Nino Nut sez:
Warning only caused by El Ninos?
What happened to El Ninos from 1940 to 1975 when there was GLOBAL COOLING?
Did they take a vacation for 35 years?
You are one of those fools that thinks all El Ninos are the same.
Pointless trying to explain to an El Nino DENIER.
What’s 60′ 80′ or 100 years of weather!…. Oh! yes climate.
So ditto if you get longer term shifts in weather patterning you get a shift in the climate
Right, so the trend? The warming trend?
If it’s “just weather” then why would there be a distinct and statistically significant warming trend?
If you don’t know just say; rather than blather.
All you have is mindless blather, fungal.
And a manic chicken-little fetish over transient warming events from totally natural El Ninos.
What’s been getting warmer the weather or the climate.
“Right, so the trend? “
three strong solar driven El Ninos.
As you have now admitted..
… TOTALY NATURAL, with no human causation.
There was a distinct, statistically significant warming trend in the 1930’s, that was considered “just weather”: 0.16C per decade warming trend in the 1930’s, versus 0.14C today.
The 1930’s warming was not caused by excess CO2, but you want us to believe that the current warming trend is caused by CO2, even though the current warming is practically identical to previous warmings, without CO2 as an issue. There’s no evidence CO2 has anything to do with the current temperature trend.
ROFLMAO.. fungus is totally ignorant of the Grand Solar Maximum over the last half of last century, and the continued strong SOLAR cycles.
Still using baseless innuendo to pretend there is some sort of human causation, even after admitting there isn’t.
Really quite pathetic. !!
You spend a lot of time rolling about on the floor. Maybe read a book?
You obviously have never read anything about science.
Stick to your Mills and Boon, and try not to panic about the things they write about !
The last known observation of low solar output based on sunspots and cold temperatures was in the 1690s during the coldest decade of the Maunder Minimum period.
There is no evidence of top of the atmosphere solar energy variations that coud possibly change the global average temperature by even 0.1 degrees ., since then
There is evidence of more sunlight reaching the ground due to less SO2 emissions and less daytime cloudiness
My theory is people are fatter than ever and they just feel warmer because of all the blubber they are carrying around. It seems so much hotter than when they were young and slim
I call it the Blubber Warming Theory
and expect a Nobel Prize.
About the most scientific theory you are ever likely to come up with !!
I’m glad you enjoyed it.
But I can’t prove it
I have another theory
that it is impossible
to prove anything
But I can’t prove it
Caused by leftist hot air
Which one?
I wonder if China’s December is going to be its warmest on record? What do you think?
Perhaps once they apply adjustments to it.
Cold weather in December
That’s never happened before
Call the climate police
Warm weather in summer has never happened before either, ..
but the self-assigned climate-junta go totally off the deep end every time it happens.
Still WAY below most of the last 10,000 years.
It is a very TEPID world.
Barely a degree or so above the coldest period in those 10,000 years
Just think how much warmer the world MUST have been for peat to form where now it is permafrost!
Central England CET is about +3 degrees C. warmer now than the trough in the 1690s.
Nearly all CET warming is in winter months.. wow, what a problem 😉
Affected by population growth. (proven by comparison with Valentia and Armagh) https://ibb.co/Z68D7sF
Greater “sunshine hours” https://ibb.co/q0HZyYX
and the Sun’s energy.
ps.. the FACT that nearly all the warming is in the winter months is a clear sign it is NOT CO2, but mostly an Urban Warming effect.
The utilization of localized energy sources within regions can lead to noticeable warming effects. This was detected in a study done in the far north regions.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/10/study-proves-urban-heat-islands-exist-even-in-the-arctic/
The primary symptom greenhouse warming is increasing night temperatures (TMIN) in the colder drier months and colder drier nations EXCEPT Antarctica.
Make it up as you go.
Have you got your night-time back-radiation panels producing electricity yet.
Try not to be ignorant all the time.
All???
Hmmm . . . well, what was the global temperature for:
— December 1100 AD (~middle of Medieval Warm Period)
— December 75 AD (~middle of Roman Warm Period)
— December 6000 BC (~ middle of Holocene Climate Optimum)
Oh, wait . . . you did reference every “data set” so I guess that means you want to limit it to only data obtained since the invention of the thermometer, but excluding paleoclimatology proxy-derived temperatures . . . IOW, just the last 3% of the duration since Earth exited its last glacial period.
Got it.
Yes, you got it.
I was talking about instrument records.
December 2023 will be the warmest December in the instrument record, which is why it is pretty silly, not to say misleading, to focus on one of the few regions that is colder than average during this period of instrument record.
But it’s just the way this site operates.
Cooler than most of the last 10,000 years.
Surface station warming known to be mostly from ad siting, urban/airport warming, and mal-adjustments
Atmospheric warming known to be only from totally natural El Nino events, with absolutely no evidence of human causation.
Amazing that these areas can still get SO COLD after all the fantasy CO2 warming, isn’t it, fungal !! 😉
Not even the El Nino and urban warming can forestall the cold. !
typo.. “from bad siting”
I dunno, perhaps part of the problem is due to the Money Trail and who is paying for the research. Ad siting might be partially right
It’s only silly if you want to believe the WORLD Is warming when vast sections aren’t. Warming exists especially in the VIRTUAL MODELED DATA. Just not throughout the actual world.
Much like the Medieval Warm Period. During the MWP it has been touted that warming then was confined to certain areas. Well GW/CC also appears to be confined only to certain areas also. Other areas aren’t cooperating with the narrative.
The global temperature anomaly was not mentioned in this article. All it is doing is shedding light on the severe and unusual cold in China. There is nothing wrong with that. If you find WUWT so unbearable, spare us your sanctimonious presence and vanish for good. Your incessant trolling is beyond annoying – it’s a testament to your insufferable nature.
That’s exactly my point. This is misdirection. Avoid all mention of the unusual warm conditions globally by focusing on one of the few regions that is colder than average, however briefly.
This is ‘look, a squirrel’ level misdirection. Only a fool would fall for it.
You are the one with the squirrel-brain.. a fungus-ridden one.
Stuck on a FETISH of warming… back by chicken-little ignorance and stupidity.
Focussing on a brief transient from a totally natural El Nino event
There is no evident deliberate misdirection at play here. How can we be certain of the author’s intent – whether it was to emphasize or divert attention from global temperature anomaly? What if the goal was to spotlight the potential hazards of a hazardous and premature energy transition? If you’re really into that ‘dangerous warming’ stuff, just go ready any climate change article from the mainstream media. There is no shortage of such reporting out there, and I, for one, am sick of that crap being shoved down my throat.
go read*
Fungal’s FETISH on the El Nino transient means he thinks it should be mentioned in every post, totally regardless of any relevance
Fungie must be too dense to realize that if he’s so bothered, he could just leave and find another climate and weather website to grace with his presence. Simple enough, one would think.
TFN’s interest is to try to show that WUWT is illegitimate, and unscientific, and that other people should not listen to what is said here.
TFN is attacking the messenger who questions Human-caused Climate Change in an effort to promote the Alarmist Climate Change agenda.
It’s Standard Operating Procedure for those who don’t like a particular message. When they can’t refute the message, they attack the messenger as a substitute for refuting the message.
“December 2023 will break all previous warmest global December records.”
These “new records” are so miniscule climate alarmists have to tell people because otherwise no one would have noticed.
How true that is.
Only by pretending to measure to tiny fractions of a degree, can anyone discern any actual so-called “global” warming
a happy, healthy squirrel!
Well, the year 1934 is still 0.2C warmer than Hunga Tonga, according to James Hansen.
Hansen said the 1930’s were the hottest decade, and 1934 was the hottest year. That still holds.
No previous record was broken here in the United States.
And my guess is that if you checked every other region of the world, you would find the very same thing, that the temperatures are not record setting in their regions.
Do you have a point? ….or did you just want to say that?
Context
China’s warming rate is higher than the global average, and the frequency of extreme heat events is significantly increasing, the Blue Book on Climate Change in China (2023) noted. A total of 3,501 extreme heat events were recorded in 2022, the most frequent since 1961.
A increase in static blocking weather patterning would cause that along with increased cold in the winter.
China also suffered bitter cold in Jan 2021.
Context.
Western Russia suffered swings between extreme summer heat and bitter winter cold during the LIA as well and that had nothing to do with CO2 as well
classic continental climate. can’t miss on that one. gets even more continentalistic as the swamps get drained.
Central and Eastern Russia yes, but Western Russia less so.
During the 1810’s static blocking patterns caused some extreme heat in the summer along with bitterly cold winter weather.
only continents block; the more continental the better for that.
only continents block… well that’s not true.
Blocking in the northern Atlantic caused the very cold weather during April 2021 here in the UK. Also remember the RRR in the NE Pacific that happened some years ago.
zonal jet is increasingly deformed with more continentalistic continents, like bending a spline. less continentally places have less complicated splines.
routine and persistent spline bends are to be expected with maximally continentalized continents. For the supremely continentally desertified continentalized continents, they exhibit persistent cloud free upwelling air and transmit and enforce, via the splines, routine and persistent anti folds to the intervening basins.
the routine anti spline bends over the basins, enforced by maximally continent-like continents, act opposite – with persistent and enforced downwelling air. So, by transmitted atmospheric force, the cloud is inhibited there-too. This all starts and ends with what we experience and cause here on the continentalized continents.
Siberia in the winter months TMIN is the poster child for increased greenhouse warming since 1975
WRONG…., increased URBAN warming !!
Urban warming in Siberia?
Hilarious, that you think Siberian towns aren’t expanding due to population growth.
Your grasp of reality is incredibly tenuous, isn’t it.
Where is the evidence of Co2 having significant effect on climate?
There is tremendous evidence of cO2 having a effect on the climate
The effect is not significant
That is the important oint
Warming is also good news
More CO2 in the air is good news for plants
We should be CELEBRATING the current climate and hoping for MORE CO2 in the air and more warming.
NO, there is NO evidence..
Warming by human-released or any other atmospheric CO2 has never been observed and measured anywhere on the planet.
Show me where. !
At least you seem to have the biology part correct.. that MORE CO2 is highly beneficial to life.
There is no evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate or the weather.
All Climate Alarmists have is speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions about CO2 with regard to any interactions with the Earth’s climate or weather.
Human-caused Climate Change is the biggest science hoax in human history, made possible by dishonest data mannipulators, who have distorted the picture of the real world.
Our Climate Alarmist leaders are not operating on the facts. They are operating on delusions, provided by the Data Mannipulators, telling them the benign gas, CO2, is a danger to humanity, when there is no evidence this is the case.
Idiocracy is real.
Sometimes I feel like Lt. Ripley of “Aliens” fame, when she asked the question: “Did IQ’s suddenly fall while I was gone?”
And the number of USCRN-quality temperature monitoring stations reporting TMIN and their grid spacing throughout Siberia is . . .?
ROTFLOL!
I base post 1975 temperatures om satellite data after 1979, with excellent surface coverage except over the North Pole and South Pole.
Except that you fail to recognize that TMIN as reported by satellite data after 1979 was NOT “excellent” and that “adjustments” have been made to such satellite data.
“Atmospheric temperatures have been measured by a series of satellites dating back to 1979. Because each satellite operated differently, scientists have disagreed about how to correct the data for instrument errors and how to merge all the satellite data into a long-term record.
“Over the past decade, different “merging” techniques resulted in different long-term temperature trends, not all of which showed the warming that climate models predicted should have occurred. Some early analyses even suggested that parts of the troposphere (lower atmosphere), where warming was expected, had cooled.”
— https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/have-satellites-actually-observed-cooling/
(my bold emphasis added)
Your posts are so funny for being so wrong.
Really!
Yes, and the United States had both the hottest temperatures ever recorded here and some of the coldest temperatures recorded during the decade of the 1930’s.
So even though it was sizzling in the United States in the 1930’s, when winter came around, it got cold.
Most of this weather has to do with how the jet streams and high and low circulation patterns arrange themselves. A high pressure system sitting over the Western U.S. can bring warm temperatures to the Western half of the U.S. and cold Canadian/arctic air to the Eastern half of the U.S, at the same time.
It’s much more complicated than adding a little CO2 to the mix, and to date, CO2 has never been shown to be a factor in the weather mix.
Surface measurement in a ever-expanding cities.
Yes, of course there is some warming.
70% of the earths surface is oceans.
Topic is China, dumb greenie !!
“the most frequent since 1961.”
Doesn’t matter who you are… that is funny. 🙂
China may not have records before 1961 They used to be a very poor nation
yawn ! go make another baseless suppository
The US does not have good instrumental temperature records before 1880. It has always been considered to be a relatively wealthy nation.
China has had a civil service and extensive written records for over a thousand years. Before the Communists China was a rich, well developed nation.
China was behind US and Europe from about 1750 to 2000. You are dreaming if very long ago.
China has temperature records back to 1910 at least.
Try not to remain ignorant all your life.
Here’s something the Chinese recorded. It shows China was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today, which also shows that CO2 is at best, a minor player in determining the Earth’s temperatures because it was just as warm in the past as it is today, but there is more CO2 in the air today than there was then. In other words, more CO2 in the air does not equate to higher temperatures.
The Chinese were recording supernovas in 1054 A.D.
Greene Dick,
China’s so-called “warming rate” is skewed as their data collection methods, with a heavy dose of urban heating and other erratic factors thrown into the mix. Global temperature records, particular the surface record, are a chaotic mess, far from anything resembling homogeneity. And let’s not even pretend that averaging temperatures makes any real-world sense – it’s a laughable concept. Your new cult-like devotion to these absurd antics is daft, so spare us and take your nonsensical beliefs elsewhere.
Well said, pc2003 ! 🙂
, “with a heavy dose of urban heating and other erratic factors”
Any data or are you just shooting off your mouth?
Since 1961, China’s population has surged by over 400 million people, experiencing rapid urbanization. It is plausible to assert that significant alterations in land use have occurred in regions that were once conducive to meteorological analysis.
Greenie doesn’t comprehend that urban expansion causes urban warming effects.
Or thinks that urban warming doesn’t affect urban thermometers.
Not very bright, this non-science greenie. !
I have seen picture of some Chinese surface temperature sites…. quite bizarre to think they actually use them to measure real temperatures.
China has had a significant amount of solar energy blocking air pollution, that causes cooling, until a peak about 10 years ago. Has not declined much since then. That SO2 and other pollution emissions cause cooling as it increases year over year
Got any credible scientific references to support that assertion . . . especially when you distribute the area of urban air pollution over the total land area of China?
In 2020, urban areas of China comprised just 1% of China’s total land area.
— https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2022.1065174/full
China has the world’s largest percentage of urban population, at about 64% of its total population in 2022.
— ref: https://tradingeconomics.com/china/urban-population-percent-of-total-wb-data.html
Hence, China tends to be heavily polluted over its major cities, and not so polluted over its rural and uninhabited areas.
Richard seems…… different; not his usual self.
Mental issue around Christmas?
Not unheard of with unstable minds.
Hogle is a bum
I feel better now
Greene’s ego inflates, fueled by his self-appointed role as the owner of a supposedly renowned climate blog – a phantom achievement existing solely within the confines of his own delusional mind.
China’s warming is higher than the global average, like everywhere else :
“Climate” has been defined to be 30-year weather, so it is always changing.
Yes, so in a world with no long-term climate change we shouldn’t expect to see statistically significant warming or cooling trends over any given 30-year period.
But we do. Warming. So how does that work?
Did you know there was a Grand Solar Maximum recently, and solar energy is still high.?
Did you know there has been a decrease in tropical clouds over that period as well?
Try not to be any more ignorant than you are destined to be.
Still waiting for any human causation of the slight warming we have been very fortunate enough have had since the LIA.
No, I didn’t know that. It also seems to have escaped the attention of the scientific community and the instruments that record total solar insolation.
You must be alone in your great knowledge, b-nasty.
Science awaits your great insights… with bated breath.
Again, admitting your abject ignorance about climate and anything to do with it..
Hilarious. !!
No, I am pointing out your lack of evidence in support of your point. (Sorry I have to spell this out for you, but apparently I do.)
You, of all people… pointing to a total lack of evidence…
Do you live in a house made totally of mirrors !!
Hilarious !!
“ It also seems to have escaped the attention of the scientific community and the instruments that record total solar insolation.”
Well no, the real scientific community was well aware of the Grand Solar Maximum.
… and is well aware that the last two solar cycles (including current) have been stronger than expected.
It is YOU that is totally unaware..
… as always.
Perhaps there was alcohol involved?
Does fungal growth respond to alcohol?
How does it affect non-science greenies?
Questions that need answering, and may explain a lot of the base-level ignorance.
No point arguing with a fanatic. They will never change their mind and can’t change the subject.
Who’s the fanatic here? The person who regards the evidence or the person who thinks oscillations are one-way systems?
Again.. displaying you have total ignorance of the El Nino, La Nina system
Quite hilarious. !!
At least you now admit there is NO HUMAN CAUSATION. !
You certain DO NOT regard the evidence.
You ignore most it completely !!
And then invent non-evidence to suit your mindless brain-washed warming fetish.
Not so sure, even Geocenterists eventually came around
Only a completely ignorant fool expects climate to stay steady.
It never has, and it never will.
We are lucky enough to have had some slight warming since the LIA, coldest period in 10,000 years.
Still nowhere near as warm as most of the Holocene.
Just start praying that the Sun keeps providing enough energy to keep us out of the next real Ice Age…
… and there is no protracted cooling period, as the solar real-scientists have predicted.
Indeed; so you think it does.
“Indeed; so you think it does.”
I guess you can’t read either. That’s not what he wrote.
?? What a moronic comment.
I am well aware that climate changes NATURALLY.
Above.. you finally seemed to wake up to that fact.
Now you trip, and face-pant into you own BS.
Indeed.
https://www.powerball.com/
“Warming. So how does that work?”
Thumb on the scales?
1) First define ‘we” . . . hint: do not include me in your supposition.
2) Next, define “warming” . . . is that
(a) 0.0 °C/decade over the last 18 years (see US surface Temperature (USCRN) graph in right sidebar)?, or
(b) 0.8 °C/decade over the last 100 years?, or
(c) 1.5 °C/12,000 years = 0.0013 °C/decade during the current Holocene Epoch?
. . . and which is more “statistically significant”?,
and is “warming” really unexpected as Earth transitions from its prior glacial interval (ending about 12,000 years ago) to it current interglacial interval within the on-going Quarternary Ice Age?
So, even without you defining those critical terms, it is clear to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that the “way it works” is found by:
— Following the money . . . “researchers” are frequently paid to support the meme of the person(s) that hired them, especially governmental “scientists”,
— Gullible/non-critical minds following a narrative that is not supported by objective scientific data . . . to simplify that for you,
(a) correlation does not equal causation, and
(b) there is no preponderance of scientific evidence that shows atmospheric CO2 levels to be a “control knob” for Earth’s surface/lower troposphere temperatures,
— Recognizing that certain parties (among them the IPCC, the Biden administration, AOC, Al Gore, Michael Mann, and “I-love-carbon-taxes” Bill Gates) advance a false narrative in the course of serving their goals of increasing their power to control other people and/or gaining wealth at the expense/misery of other less-fortunate people around the world.
Finally, since you glossed over it so easily, Earth has NEVER experienced an interval without climate change . . . with the understanding that “climate change” encompasses many more physical factors than just temperature (i.e., just warming or cooling).
Nobody in eastern North Dakota is talking about global warming or renewable power.
More coal please.
Electoverse headlines
North Korea has its LOWEST December temperature in DECADES.
Record COLD extends down into Vietnam and Thailand.
Guatemala’s lowest temperature in 30 years
But, but, but the world is warming, we keep being told that. How can it be possible for many different regions to be cooling while we still maintain the exact same 0.14° warming trend as before these regions exhibited any cooling. How can this possibly be? sarc
Doubtless had they followed John Kerry’s advice and shutdown all their coal plants, all would be fine. No?
Story tip.
Arctic sea ice, Day 360, 2023, now above EVERY year back to 2004, except 2014
Highly likely it will exceed 2014 in the next day or so. !
Greene Dick will not like your comment. 🙂
Greenie dick**** is a fool who’s comments are never going to concern me.
Maybe give me a brief chuckle at their inanity.
The data is there for anyone to download and analyse.
FTP directory /DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/data/ at sidads.colorado.edu
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Ignore the first 360 days of 2023 and cherry pick one day
Use that day to imply a 40+ year Arctic sea ice extent downtrend has ended.
Real Forrest Gump science
A real Billy Madison moment from the greenie !
Everyone becomes more stupid from listening to you !
Using an extreme high extent in 1979 as a starting point is pretty ignorant..
… especially when Arctic sea ice extent is in the top 5 or so % of the last 10,000 years.
But we have come to expect ignorance from you.
Well, well folks …. there is a flip-side in Canada that WUWT seems to have missed …..
“Temperatures are nearly 30 degrees above seasonal in parts of the Arctic that should be in the midst of a deep freeze.
Yellowknife’s seasonal daytime high on Boxing Day should hover around a frigid -18°C with a bone-chilling nighttime low of -26°C.
This year, however, the thermometer at the airport will climb to -2°C on Boxing Day, far above seasonal for the end of December and potentially smashing the daily record there by a few degrees. The day’s previous record high was -4.5°C back on Boxing Day 1991.”
“It’s not just Yellowknife experiencing this holiday torch. Communities across Canada’s Far North have witnessed a historically warm December so far, with average temperatures so warm that it’s affecting infrastructure and livelihoods across the region.”
“Churchill, Manitoba, is on track to record its warmest December on record. The community on Hudson Bay has seen an average temperature of -7.6°C through Christmas Day, readily trouncing the previous record of -9.1°C witnessed in December 1991.”
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/weather/severe/2023-ending-with-mind-boggling-warmth-in-canadas-frigid-arctic
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/weather/master-245/from-blizzards-to-record-warmth-nunavut-experiencing-weather-turmoil
The Airport? Busy over Christmas was it? Lots of people coming and going, getting home for the holiday, were there?
The fact that Yellowknife Airport is described as the busiest airport in Northern Canada obviously has no bearing on this whatsoever does it? sarc
Missed this did you?
“It’s not just Yellowknife experiencing this holiday torch. Communities across Canada’s Far North have witnessed a historically warm December so far, with average temperatures so warm that it’s affecting infrastructure and livelihoods across the region.”
“Churchill, Manitoba, is on track to record its warmest December on record. The community on Hudson Bay has seen an average temperature of -7.6°C through Christmas Day, readily trouncing the previous record of -9.1°C witnessed in December 1991.”
Oh no I didn’t but I think, perhaps, you did. Where is the temperature station in Churchill, Manitoba located? At the, very busy, Churchill Airport of course.
In fact I would bet that every above average temperature in that pile that you reference was recorded at a North Canadian Airport and those temperatures ‘homogenised’ into the rest of the Arctic – there being few, if any, temperature stations on the ice. Thus, with the stroke of a keyboard, we have a temperature record completely at odds with the sea ice extent/thickness data this year.
So very, very kind of you, Anthony, to point out where the climate enthusiasts have put their ‘thumb on the scales’ in this holiday season.
Now, tell me, does the “thumb on the scale” extend to falsifying upper air radiosonde ascents?
You do know how to read Skew LogTs?
Here is Churchill Lat 58.73, log -94.08
a) 00Z Dec 28th 2022
b) 00Z Dec 28th 2023
a)
b)
You will see that at 700mb (~ 10,000ft ), it was – (as at 00Z last night) ~ -5C
and on the same date a year ago ~ -20C
Surface was -14C and a year ago -26C.
So which is it?
Thumb on the scale or UHI (that extends vertically to the Tropopause).
Maybe both?
If you choose the falsified upper air then that would have falsified NWP for the whole NH with consequent aircraft routing failures and a complete upending of surface forecasts.
Many more examples available if required.
So which is it? In your original post you say that surface temp was -2C on Boxing day but now you’re throwing around -14C surface temp. A 12°C discrepancy between the two sets of data doesn’t inspire confidence.
Of course you might like to check out how the North Canadian airport runways are kept clear of snow and ice in the winter months. Whether its hot air snow blowers, heated pads under the surface of the runways, diesel powered snow plows and runway sweepers, all that heat just adds to the mix, doesn’t it?
The map he shared displays two low-pressure systems in Greenland and Alaska, enveloping the high pressure system attributed to the proclaimed ‘record-breaking’ warmth. However, the designation of ‘warmest on record’ is undoubtedly subjective in this context. The Arctic, with is sparse monitoring stations, lacks homogeneity and a considerable amount of data is missing. Automated weather stations only come into existence in the 1990s, implying that before then, anyone seeking accurate recordings uncontaminated by UHI had to venture into remote areas, trudging through knee-deep snow.
“all that heat just adds to the mix, doesn’t it?”
Beyond negligible at the surface of 10’s thousands Km^2 of essentially tundra and miles of atmospheric depth.
Additionally:
“we have a temperature record completely at odds with the sea ice extent/thickness data this year.”
Sea-ice extent isn’t a direct correlation with surface air temp, just as snowfall isn’t.
How about surface/near surface water temps and winds?
This is the 850mb chart drawn to the actual geopotential heights as reported from the 00Z last night Radiosonde ascents.
And this the 500mb:
Would you want to fly on this info if it is all falsified?
(Vertical temperature profile dictates the GPH and therefore winds)
Prove it’s both unusual and GHGs-induced.
I didn’t say it was.
And it’s not possible anyway.
It might be beyond negligible if the temperature stations were across 100’s of miles of tundra but they’re not are they – they’re right next to the runways that are being cleared of snow.
Look Richard,
It really is not complicated.
Thousands of Hiroshima sized ABs would be required to pump enough heat into that area of the Earth’s atmosphere to distort GPH’s to that degree.
There is no disagreement about the intense warmth. The debate revolves around whether it surpasses any previous records or if it is unprecedented.
Daily mean during December seems to have taken a might big drop over the last several days.
Getting COLD up there !!
A Polar Vortex event is in the making.
I know.
I think the situation in Alaska is getting ready to change. The cold air over China and Japan and North Korea is headed their way.
Cold arctic air will accumulate on one side of the northern hemisphere (China) and when the cold air slides south it pulls warmer air from the opposite side of the world north to fill the space left by the cold air, so you get one side of the hemisphere experiencing very cold temperatures and the other side experiencing milder temperatures. But over time, that cold arctic air will swing around the hemisphere and get the other half cold. That’s what is happening now.
The United States has been experiencing fairly mild weather because we are getting mostly mild Pacific air coming into the United States, but that’s going to change and the arctic air is coming and the United States is going to get colder in the near future. Like it does every year.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2023/12/29/1000Z/wind/isobaric/500hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=-166.68,55.97,264/loc=-153.491,69.569
If extreme cold and increased snowfall are now being cited by alarmists as evidence of anthropogenic climate change, by that same logic once the glaciers and ice sheets begin to advance again, that too will be regarded as evidence of our guilt and complicity in human-induced climate change. Which is why I do not take anything they say seriously anymore. It is ridiculous -this is not a true scientific theory if its proponents set about foreclosing all means of disproving it.
China and maybe India are obviously preparing for more extreme cold spells in the coming winters since they are expected by 2026 to be consuming 70% of the world’s coal production.