Ellenbogen: New York State’s Energy Transition

From the Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York

Roger Caiazza

Richard Ellenbogen recently gave an important presentation on New York State’s Energy Transition that details his concerns with the net -zero mandate of the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act (CLCPA).  I think it is important that his message gets out to all New Yorkers. 

Unfortunately, the presentation is very detailed to avoid issues with those people who have a monetary interest in this process and the climate zealots who will undoubtedly disagree with the findings and recommendations.  This makes the video over two hours long and very dense.  This is beyond the attention span of most people.  I tried to address that problem by highlighting what I think are the primary points with links to the corresponding sections of the video.

Ellenbogen is the President [BIO] Allied Converters and frequently copies me on emails that address various issues associated with the CLCPA.  I have published other articles by him and a description of his keynote address to the Business Council of New York 2023 Renewable Energy Conference Energy titled: “Energy on Demand as the Life Blood of Business and Entrepreneurship in the State -video here:  Why NY State Must Rethink Its Energy Plan and Ten Suggestions to Help Fix the Problems.” There are only a few people in New York that are trying to educate people about the risks of the CLCPA with as much passion as I am but Richard certainly fits that description.  He comes at the problem as an engineer who truly cares about the environment and how best to improve the environment without unintended consequences.  He has spent an enormous amount of time honing his presentation summarizing the problems he sees but most of all the environmental performance record of his business shows that he is walking the walk.  

CLCPA Overview

The CLCPA established a New York “Net Zero” target (85% reduction and 15% offset of emissions) by 2050.  It includes an interim 2030 reduction target of a 40% reduction by 2030 and a requirement that all electricity generated be “zero-emissions” by 2040. The Climate Action Council (CAC) is responsible for preparing the Scoping Plan that outlines how to “achieve the State’s bold clean energy and climate agenda.”  In brief, that plan is to electrify everything possible using zero-emissions electricity. The Integration Analysis prepared by the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and its consultants quantifies the impact of the electrification strategies.  That material was used to develop the Draft Scoping Plan.  After a year-long review, the Scoping Plan recommendations were finalized at the end of 2022.  In 2023 the Scoping Plan recommendations are supposed to be implemented through regulation and legislation.  Ellenbogen’s presentation focuses on these proposed implementation programs.

Presentation Introduction

The Introduction to the presentation explains:

The following video has been made as a public service for the citizens of New York State.  The speakers have no monetary interest in the fossil fuel industry or in any of the equipment manufacturers related to the energy transition.  The rental of the Pelham Picture House, used for the presentation, was covered at their personal expense.

Ellenbogen sent me an email that described the presentation.  He wrote:

The video has some major differences from the presentation that was done as the keynote presentation at the Business Council of NY State Renewable Energy Conference as recent events have made it more apparent that the NY State Energy plan has major flaws in its logic.  Those issues were not unexpected, however watching them occur in real time has made addressing the problems an imperative. Things are not going to get better.

There are several parts of the presentation.  Two videos were running prior to the presentation while people were entering the theater. One is a video describing the products his company makes and how his facility has been made more energy efficient. The second video explains sustainability at Allied Converters and how it has kept them in business despite New York’s high energy prices.  The presentation video itself includes an 8-minute introduction that that used these slides.  The rest of the video is an 80-minute presentation  (slide deck) followed by 45 minutes of questions and answers.

Ellenbogen notes:

The presentation is long because it is very detailed.  It was done that way because everyone that has a monetary interest in this process, along with the climate zealots, is going to try and disparage the information contained in the presentation so I tried to cover all of the issues to avoid that as much as possible.

I am very aware of problems related to trying to describe the intricacies and problems with the CLCPA transition.  It is related to one of my pragmatic environmentalist principles namely the BS Asymmetry Principle described by Alberto Brandolini: “The amount of energy necessary to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.”  Richard and I must delve into the details to respond to the flaws of the CLCPA.  This is necessary but it also makes it difficult for people to handle the amount and complexity of information needed to explain flaws.  I tried to highlight what I think are the key points in the presentation with links to the corresponding section of the video in case readers do not have the time to listen to the whole thing.

Key Points

In the Introduction Ellenbogen presents an overview of the CLCPA and some of the problems.  A recurring theme in the presentation is that other jurisdictions, especially Germany.  that have been trying to do the same thing as planned in the CLCPA are not doing so well.  Ignoring their experience is risky. He argues that the CLCPA is a fantasy for the following reasons:

  1. Lack of energy to support the plan,
  2. The renewables needed cannot be installed on the mandated schedule,
  3. Costs to excecute the plan will be much greater than other emission reduction strategies,
  4. The plan will increase GHG emissions more than other strategies, and
  5. There are logic errors in the analyses.

John Ravitz from the Business Council of Westchester County collaborated with Ellenbogen to organize the presentation.  During his introduction he argued that we all want a better environment, but we have to do it the right way.  He emphasized the need to have honest conversations about how to get there.  I agree with all those points.  He also said something that confirmed what I had long suspected.  He pointed out that the CLCPA legislation was passed “in the dead of night” at the end of the session and “I guarantee you that 99.9% of the members of the New York State Legislature did not read the bill.”  He said they did not understand the schedule issues and unintended consequences that could happen.

The presentation itself starts with more background of what Ellenbogen did at his business and how that background worries him about the proposed plan to meet the CLCPA mandates. 

There are only two issues where I have substantially different opinions than Ellenbogen.  While I can agree that reducing emissions is a good thing I do not believe that greenhouse gas emission reductions will have any effect on extreme weather.  I toyed with including a more detailed argument for my belief and a response to Ellenbogen’s comments in this regard but I do not want to detract from the main point that the CLCPA is bad policy.

My concerns about the implementation of the CLCPA are very similar to Ellenbogen, but we are not exactly aligned.  One of his big departures from the narrative of the CLCPA acolytes is that he sees a place for new natural gas combined cycle turbines.  That is heresy to those who insist on zero emissions.  I agree with Rich on that, but I think the use of existing fossil-fired generating units is appropriate too because many units have installed additional controls, have lower emissions than in the past, and still fulfill critical reliability services.  There is no question that until the New York independent System Operator (NYOSO) determines those units can be shut down they have to remain available.  However, I believe that it may be appropriate to keep some of those units on standby longer than anyone else admits at this point because wind and solar resources availability during worst-case conditions is a much bigger problem than most people realize.  Those old units can be an insurance policy for those rare and relatively short-term events.

His description of the Complex Problem Conundrum is particularly important.  In the rush to reach zero the Climate Act does not account for likely ratepayer reactions.  If you force people to use something that is more expensive and does not work as well they may resort to alternatives that are even worse.   

Another important discussion explains why New York State energy policy is a mess.  He argues and I agree that political interference in the technical issues associated with operating a reliable and affordable electric energy system cannot end well.  It cannot be emphasized enough that a realistic cost/benefit analysis has not been done.  The Hochul Administration has never provided detailed documentation for the costs and expected emission reductions for the specific control strategies that are included in the Scoping Plan.  That should be the first component of an honest conversation.  His discussion goes on to list many of the obstacles to implementation that are also prime topics for conversations. 

I agree with Ellenbogen’s description of obstacles that must be overcome.  He points out that we are not learning from others and that “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

have written about the statement by Robert W. Howarth, Ph.D., the David R. Atkinson Professor of Ecology & Environmental Biology supporting the adoption of the Scoping Plan. Howarth claims to be an author of the CLCPA and was a member of the Climate Action Council. Ellenbogen addresses the academic article that Howarth co-authored that is the basis of the Climate Act presumption that no new technology is needed for the electric system transition and that the mandated schedule is possible. Because he is a graduate of Cornell, Ellenbogen felt it was necessary to explain his reasoning in his email:

To anyone at Cornell or Stanford that has a problem with the presentation at the 47 minute mark, I stand behind what I said.  There is information in those documents that was false in 2013 and that has been proven by the fact that in 2023, the technologies that they claimed were readily available then still don’t exist in a form that can be used on the utility system, but this document is being used as the basis for NY State Energy policy and people may die as a result.

Later in the presentation he references work by Cornell engineers that says the transition plan that is the basis of the CLCPA will fail.  It is really troubling that Ellenbogen and the power system experts at Cornell have not been able to influence New York energy policy away from the mis-guided and refuted academic paper co-authored by a biologist.   

The CLCPA will affect the way we heat our homes. Ellenbogen has personal experience with heat pumps and does a good job explaining why the focus on heat pumps as a solution by NYSERDA will fail.  He points out problems that have been observed in Germany in the following slide.

The CLCPA will also affect the way we cook.  The usual suspects have been vilifying natural gas stoves and the presentation addresses this component of the net-zero transition.   He argues that the health impact claims are not worth the paper they are printed on and the tradeoff between benefits and costs is poor.

In order to explain why the Integration Analysis is fantasy he provides background information on the difference between power and energy and why capacity factors are important.  Ellenbogen repeatedly states that “I am not anti-renewable but you have to look at the numbers and be realistic”.  The power, energy, and capacity factor numbers affect the viability of a renewable energy powered electric grid.

He describes the analysis in the Scoping Plan for the CLCPA as fantasy.  The Power, energy, and capacity factor estimates in the Integration analysis are not realistic.  I love the description of the 20 GW of zero-carbon firm resource as “unicorn generation” because “you are as likely to see it as you are to see a unicorn.”  Everyone except Howarth and his acolytes believes that this zero-carbon firm resource is needed to address infrequent periods of extended low wind and solar resource availability.  The energy transition requires this new technology, but the State has unrealistic expectations for implementing it.

Ellenbogen’s presentation presents a rational alternative to the fantasies of the CLCPA implementation plan.  He looks at the electrical load necessary to replace the energy used for applications other than electric generation – heating, cooking, hot water, and transportation and concludes that on-site combustion of natural gas should have a role.  The Cornell study of energy storage shows a much higher estimate of amount needed and that increases costs significantly. 

For the cost of the storage needed you could build 6 or 7 nuclear plants that would produce dispatchable power and would last 60 years.  Wind and solar life expectancy is on the order of 20 years and batteries half of that which makes this transition strategy is much more expensive.  He notes that implementation costs are already starting to show up in rate cases and this will only continue.  His arguments for alternatives also point out that batteries will increase emissions until all the generation is zero-emissions.

Ellenbogen has refined his analysis over time.  I think his arguments to leave on-site combustion in place are particularly persuasive.  It is more efficient to use on-site generation.  He advocates for increased use of electric vehicles and allowing this generation frees up energy for them which means less generation is required.  He also recommends a pragmatic approach to reduce CO2 emissions from utility-scale co-generation.  The productivity in greenhouses increases substantially at higher CO2 levels and the CO2 is taken up by the plants.  I vaguely recall a plan to build greenhouses at the industrial park where the Micron chip fabrication plant is planned.  Using a co-generation power plant to provide the electricity needed by that facility, using the waste heat for fabrication processes, and supplying the CO2 to the greenhouses addresses multiple problems and reduces overall costs.

Finally, he makes recommendations to reduce personal utility costs and short- and long-term changes to the New York energy plan.  It is no surprise that energy efficiency is important for personal utility cost reductions.  For the energy plan he suggests the following short-term recommendations:

  1. Do not electrify buildings that run on natural gas,
  2. Focus heat pump deployment away from buildings that run on natural gas,
  3. Upgrade the grid infrastructure to support the electrification requirements,
  4. Increase support for electric vehicle infrastructure including grid support,
  5. Do not install large amounts of battery storage until renewable generation increases,
  6. Repower older generating plants with higher efficiency combined cycle natural gas units,
  7. Develop technologies other than electrolysis to generate green hydrogen,
  8. Focus natural gas resources on combined heat and power systems,
  9. Allow Micron to build a 2 GW combined cycle co-generation facility,
  10. Figure out how the utilities can install and interconnect the planned offshore wind,
  11. Set up pilot projects for greenhouse agriculture to ascertain values, and
  12. Authorize the establishment of pyrolysis projects for the elimination of plastic waste and organic waste and for generation of hydrogen that can be used to improve power plant efficiency.

In the long term he suggests adding 12 GW of nuclear to the generating system.

He concludes that New York should use common sense solutions to keep the lights on because when fantasies meet reality, reality always wins.  He notes that the CLCPA actually is hindering greenhouse gas emission efforts, risks reliability and will affect affordability. In the following slide he urges people to contact their State Senators and Assemblypersons to modify or repeal the CLCPA.

Q&A

If you are interested in the questions and answers they start at this point.  The session got heated when someone who subscribes to all of the CLCPA narrative talking points that Ellenbogen dismantled in his presentation asked why wind and solar alone can’t work and claimed nuclear has no place.  It got so bad that someone in the audience piped in and said if you cannot provide numbers supporting your position like Ellenbogen did then sit down because you wasting our time. 

Caveat

Ellenbogen has invested enormous time and energy into this presentation because of his personal conviction that the current plan is not a good idea.  He writes:

Keep in mind that I have no monetary interest in this but I have a huge problem with the questionable or deceptive at best, and  negligent at worst, science being used to justify these policies.  I have spent thousands of hours researching the details and have attended all of the meetings in Albany and elsewhere at my personal expense, both in time and money, as well as paying for the rental of the Picture House, along with John Ravitz.

Conclusion

Ellenbogen points out that the societal benefits are calculated as if New York is in a vacuum.  The fact is that completely eliminating New York greenhouse gas emissions will not have a meaningful effect on any of the impacts ascribed to climate change because the state’s total emissions are so small that they will be subsumed by emission increase elsewhere across the globe in a matter of weeks. He goes to great lengths so point out that he is not anti-renewable energy resources.  These points and others that disparage the CLCPA transition plan do not mean that we should not do something to reduce GHG emissions.  However, we should not “make up fantasies to justify it” or avoid honest conversations about how best to implement a transition to lower emissions.  It is time to honestly talk about the implications of this law.

Ellenbogen has the ear of many people at the agencies in Albany and unofficially they agree with his concerns.  Unfortunately, they are not in the position to say anything publicly because the CLCPA is a law and the agencies have been weaponized to support the political ambitions of the Administration in the last decade.  Speaking out of line with narrative is not a good career move for technical staff at the agencies.  Privately they admit that it will take a Texas-style blackout disaster to change the direction of the net-zero transition. The February 2021 Texas electric grid failure was the worst energy infrastructure failure in Texas history resulting in over 4.5 million homes and residences losing power in very cold weather, over 245 people dying and total damages of at least $195 billion. 

Remember that New York energy experts are warning that unless something is done this type of disaster is inevitable here. I prepared this summary of the presentation because I think it is important to educate New Yorkers.  I reiterate Ellenbogen’s recommendation: contact your State Senators and Assemblypersons to modify or repeal the CLCPA.  Contact the Governor’s Office so that the Administration gets the word that the loud environmental organizations are not the only ones concerned about this law.  Pass on this presentation to others who will be affected by this fantastical energy policy and encourage them to speak up.  It is too risky, we cannot afford it, and the plans are unsupportable.

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John Hultquist
December 2, 2023 6:24 pm

Much to be applauded here, but I will highlight this:
 “Unfortunately, they are not in the position to say anything publicly because the CLCPA is a law and the agencies have been weaponized to support the political ambitions of the Administration . . . “.

If there is a solution for this sort of political calamity, I have no idea what it might be. It may take another 10 or 15 years to find out.

Tom Johnson
Reply to  John Hultquist
December 2, 2023 7:30 pm

To me, the solution is quite simple – the passage of time. In short order, maybe 2 to 3 years, the total foolishness of this plan will be quite obvious to even the most zealous supporters. Few of them will admit it publicly, but it will simply die a quiet death. Not with a bang, but a whimper. It will simply be ignored, and the next crisis will be attacked, likely with equal foolishness and waste of wealth, at least until it’s all gone.

Reply to  Tom Johnson
December 2, 2023 8:46 pm

Unfortunately, you’re correct that this foolishness, along with the rest of the Left’s agitprop agenda, won’t end until the economy hits a brick wall.

In the interim, as every failure comes to fruition, every New Yorker should be emphatically reminded that ‘you voted for this’.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
December 3, 2023 3:31 am

They voted for “clean and cheap energy which will save the planet”. The politicians pushing that mantra should be seen as criminal. Can they possibly be that stupid?

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 3, 2023 8:32 am

Voters also overwhelmingly vote for free stuff and outcomes they have to know, if only subconsciously, can only be provided to them through outright theft of the property of others and the diminishment of their liberty.

I don’t blame the psychopathic politicians who take advantage of this behavior, as much as I do the voters who continually enable it. As I said, I don’t think this behavior ends until the economic effects hit home.

Reply to  Tom Johnson
December 3, 2023 6:39 am

Doubtful to me that “it will simply be ignored”. The zealots have a law on the books that they will sue, endlessly, to have implemented until it is repealed or changed. It cannot just be ignored.

George Daddis
Reply to  John Hultquist
December 3, 2023 7:32 am

We came close to reducing the calamity in 2020 when the GOP candidate for NYS Governor lost by a very narrow margin.

Bob Rogers
Reply to  John Hultquist
December 3, 2023 10:12 am

The solution? They will change definitions and punctuation to make the law resemble reality.

December 2, 2023 6:30 pm

World’s Largest Offshore Wind System Developer Abandons Two Major US Projects as Wind Bust Continues 
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/world-s-largest-offshore-wind-system-developer-abandons-two-major

EXCERPT:

New York State wants to go the wind/solar/battery route, which will lead to bankruptcy

New York State had signed contracts with EU big wind companies for four offshore wind projects

Sometime later, the companies were trying to coerce an additional $25.35 billion (per Wind Watch) from New York ratepayers and taxpayers over at least 20 years, because they had bid at lower prices than they should have.

New York State denied the request on October 12, 2023; “a deal is a deal”, said the Commissioner 
 
Owners want a return on investment of at least 10%/y, if bank loans for risky projects are 6.5%/y, and project cost inflation and uncertainties are high 

The about 3.5% is a minimum for all the years of hassles of designing, building, erecting, and paperwork of a project

The project prices, with no subsidies, would be about two times the agreed contract price, paid by Utilities to owners.

The reduction is due to US subsidies provided, per various US laws
All contractors had bid too low. When they realized there would be huge losses, they asked for higher contract prices.

It looks like the contract prices will need to be at least $150/MWh, for contractors to make money. Those contract prices would be at least 60% higher than in 2021

Oersted, Denmark, Sunrise wind, contract price $110.37/MWh, contractor needs $139.99/MWh, a 27% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 1 wind, contract price $118.38/MWh, contractor needs $159.64/MWh, a 35% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 2 wind, contract price $107.50/MWh, contractor needs $177.84/MWh, a 66% increase
Equinor, Norway, Beacon Wind, contract price $118.00/MWh, contractor needs $190.82/MWh, a 62% increase
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/liars-lies-exposed-as-wind-electricity-price-increases-by-66-wake

Reply to  wilpost
December 2, 2023 6:34 pm

The wind/solar/battery route would lead to disaster in New England

BATTERIES IN NEW ENGLAND?
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/batteries-in-new-england
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EXCERPT:

Currently, the variable output of wind and solar is counteracted by fossil-fired, CO2-emitting, quick-reacting power plants. Some people want to replace such power plants with large-scale battery systems to reduce CO2 emissions. This article presents an analysis that shows, using such batteries systems for counteracting, and storing electricity, even for one day, has a very high owning and operating cost, even with 50% subsidies.

NE has variable weather conditions, with frequent periods of very little wind, even offshore, and very little sun, which means wind and solar power, already highly variable 24/7/365, is frequently minimal, throughout the year.

This analysis shows the cost of battery systems, if they are used to store electricity for a W/S-lull lasting one day. 
In this analysis, we ignore hydro, for simplicity.
As part of our analysis, we assume, at some future date:
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– CO2-emitting power plants will be shut down, such as fossil fuel, wood burning, refuse burning, etc.
– Nuclear plants, once shut down, will not be replaced
– Existing hydro plants, about 7% of NE annual generation, will remain.
– Wind and solar installed capacity, MW, will be sufficient to provide 100% of average daily demand each day of the year.
https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix

NOTE: This analysis uses average values, for simplicity. A more exact analysis would use hourly or 15-minute values. Whereas it would be more difficult to understand by non-technical people, the outcome would be nearly the same.

A Wind/Solar Lull Lasting One Day in Winter in New England

If such a W/S lull occurs, batteries will make up the electricity shortfall

We assume, at some future date, NE has installed:
60000 MW of solar, which produce an annual average of 8700 MWh/h, at capacity factor = 0.145
60000 MW of onshore and offshore wind, which produce an annual average of 21000 MWh/h, at CF = 0.35

During a W/S lull, we assume the production will be only 10% of these values during winter, which frequently has days with very little wind, and snow on most panels

We assume the average electricity fed to the grid is 21000 MW on a January day, and during that entire day the average W/S output fed to the grid is 0.1 x (21000 + 8700) = 2970 MW.

W/S electricity shortfall is 24 x (21000 – 2970) = 432720 MWh
Batteries are rated as providing a level of power for a period of time, or MW/MWh

Our required battery capacity is (18030 MW)/(432720 MWh/0.45)
There are some system design factors that reduce rated capacity, but we will ignore them, for simplicity

Tesla recommends not charging to more than 80% full, and not discharging to less than 20% full
That means the recommended maximum delivered electricity is 0.6 of capacity.

We assume the battery is 75% full, at start of lull, and is drawn down to 25% full, in 24 hours, i.e., 0.5 of capacity is drawn out of the battery, if we are lucky.
But that 0.5 “in battery” must be reduced by 10%, due to system losses, i.e., 0.45 is fed to HV grid

NOTE: Tesla’s recommendation was not heeded by the owners of the Hornsdale Power Reserve, in Australia. They had to add Megapacks to offset rapid aging of the original system, and decided to add more Megapacks to increase the rating of the system. In the article, the Hornsdale graph of operating conditions confirms:

1) The about 20% round-trip loss, explained below
2) The output reduction, due to rapid aging
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-hornsdale-power-reserve-largest-battery-system-in-australia

Battery System Loss: There is about a 20% round-trip loss, from HV grid to 1) step-down transformer, 2) front-end power electronics, 3) into battery, 4) out of battery, 5) back-end power electronics, 6) step-up transformer, to HV grid

That means, of the electricity taken from the HV grid, about 10% is lost to recharge the battery to desired levels, then, upon discharge, another 10% is lost, before feeding to the HV grid.

This article is a good source of information
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging

Capital Cost: All-in, turnkey capital cost of Tesla, Megapack-based system = 432720/0.45 x 1000 kWh/MWh x $575/delivered kWh as AC, 2023 pricing = $553 billion

Double that amount, if the W/S lull lasts two days.

W/S lulls of 5 to 7 days are not uncommon in New England, throughout the year

Dealing with such multi-day lulls will require batteries costing about $2.8 to $3.9 trillion, just for New England!

Reply to  wilpost
December 3, 2023 3:39 am

Resistance to the batteries is building- at least in western Wokeachusetts. A very large system is planned in the western part of the state and the locals don’t want it. But for the wrong reason. They’re not resisting the climate emergency BS. They’re fanatic about it. They just don’t want to see solar and wind “farms” and they don’t want a pumped storage project nearby that’s been there for decades. And they don’t want the batteries in their towns. They stupidly think they can get all the energy just from solar on rooftops and parking lots. After I saw a letter to the editor to the Greenfield (MA) Recorder opposing a large battery system I wrote a letter to that paper as follows:

I see a movement in Wendell to stop the construction of an industrial scale battery storage facility designed to work with the power grid. Many people do not realize that due to the state’s plan for “net-zero” by 2050, that there will be a need for many of these battery facilities, probably several in every town. To get to “net-zero”, many thousands of acres of forests and fields will need to be covered with solar panels. People who think that “net-zero” can be achieved simply by putting solar on all the roofs and parking lots are going to be disappointed. They may also be disappointed when they see a tremendous increase in their monthly electric bill as has happened in California and Germany. So, if you want “net-zero”, be prepared for the consequences. Also, keep in mind that these battery systems can’t charge unless there is an excess of power being generated but that isn’t happening now and it’s unlikely to happen for many years.

Bob
December 2, 2023 7:20 pm

Good work Roger and Richard, I don’t know how you do it dealing with these CAGW zealots. I couldn’t do it. I am with you I think there is damn little that needs to be done to lower CO2 emissions. No one has proved CO2 does catastrophic damage to us or the earth. Again I can’t tell how much respect I have for you, Richard and people like you.

As for government employees being muzzled by their bosses that is unacceptable. Their bosses are lying, the employees know they are lying and it is criminal that they can’t share what they know with us. Lying is not acceptable especially by our own government. We must come up with a way to go after these rascals. If they are found out to be lying they should be fired end of story. I hate for anyone to be accused anomalously but that seems to be the only way forward with these government monsters.

Reply to  Bob
December 2, 2023 8:40 pm

The rich people that own the media, that has brainwashed most of the population, and control the politicians with campaign contributions is planing to make trillion from “climate change” spending.

Bloomberg estimates the cost to stop warming by 2050 is $US200 trillion and the other estimates I have are similar if not more.

Tom Halla
December 2, 2023 7:34 pm

The efforts to blame conventional power sources for the Texas 2021 near blackout were widely spread, and plausible if one only read the legacy media.
The inescapable problem was that wind does not produce power in still air and freezing rain, and that all investment in wind was misguided if one wanted non weather dependent power. Such green initiatives as requiring electric powered compressors on natural gas lines only added to the issues.

c1ue
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 3, 2023 4:58 am

The Texas Winter Storm Uri was absolutely a failure of natural gas systems simply because Texas power uses natural gas as its primary backstop for electricity generation. Wind and solar PV still only generate about 30% of Texas’ overall electricity supply. Since Texas has never been primarily reliant on these alternative electricity generation sources, it is legitimate to point out that the failure was fossil fuel..
There is a legitimate question as to whether over-focus on wind and solar PV reduced focus on weatherizing natural gas systems – Texas passed legislation and changed market rules to ensure that this loss of focus does not repeat. The vast majority of investment and transmission focus was unquestionably on wind and solar PV in the past decade plus.

Tom Halla
Reply to  c1ue
December 3, 2023 5:34 am

Losing some 30% of the electric supply due to weather somehow is the fault of the non weather dependent sources? Virtue signaling diverts investment from reliable sources.

rogercaiazza
Reply to  c1ue
December 3, 2023 5:59 am

Like every aspect of the net-zero transition the blackout was complicated. I think there was plenty of planning blame to pass around. There were insufficient market incentives to deal with the rare cold event. It is OK to build your power plants out in the open most of the time but when it gets really cold something is not going to work. The unanswered question with the renewables is how to deal with the light winds associated with the rare cold events and all the other problems cold weather has on those systems. Combine both problems and you got a disaster there.

Reply to  c1ue
December 3, 2023 9:31 am

It’s my understanding that the failure of the nat gas systems was because the pipeline pumps were converted from using nat gas as fuel to using electricity from wind/solar. When the wind/solar failed so did nat gas pipeline flow.

Drake
Reply to  Tim Gorman
December 3, 2023 5:47 pm

Obama EPA mandates, self fulfilling prophecy.

Denis
Reply to  c1ue
December 3, 2023 9:37 am

It was the ignorance of ERCOT and the Federal Government that compounded the problem. gas pipelines in Texas were originally designed to operate with gas-powered pumps; the very stuff they were pumping, to maximize the overall reliability of the system. It was the wisdom of Obama that led Texas to change the pumps to electric power to reduce “emissions” I suppose. When the windless and sunless very cold weather arrived renewable production went to nil creating the need for rotating blackouts – to spread the pain. But ERCOT did not know which circuits powered the gas pumps and when a blackout was imposed in a pump-running circuit, gas flow stopped and gas powered electric generators shut down adding further to the problem. You can see these sudden shutdowns in the ERCOT power production data if it’s still on line. It wasn’t gas that failed, it was electricity that failed and Government that failed by way of technically incompetent decisions by technically incompetent politicians.

Drake
Reply to  Denis
December 3, 2023 5:48 pm

Yep! EPA used to do it.

Loren Wilson
Reply to  c1ue
December 3, 2023 6:44 pm

The real problem was two-fold. I was fortunate that we only lost power for one day, and did not lose gas service.

1) Gas contracts were not guaranteed with a significant penalty for not delivering. Therefore, the gas suppliers did not winterize their wells and collection equipment. There is enough water in most gas at the wellhead to freeze up the well in cold weather. Producers who have to deliver add insulation and heat tracing. These operators did not have to so they didn’t. As you point out, the legislature passed laws empowering ERCOT to be able to have contracts that require delivery.

2) The compressors for the natural gas pipelines were switched over from using the natural gas in the pipeline for power to electricity. This was due to unfavorable emissions legislation at the federal level. When the grid became strained, the compressors were powered down, stranding gas that could gave gone to power plants. What gas was getting through was prioritized to the residential market.

Wind and solar performed horribly during that period. Gas did not pick up the slack and was further curtailed as the grid cut off sectors. Texas was much better prepared for the next Siberian Express.

corev
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 3, 2023 4:58 am

Or to expand: “The inescapable problem was that wind does not produce power in still air and freezing rain,…” When (not IF) this happens, AND SOLAR does not produce power (usually ~ 1/2 the time): then the backups MUST produce at the minimum of the LOST production.

Attention to maintaining the backups is critical, instead of REPLACING them with weather dependent sources. Without this attention to backups the grids will eventually fail catastrophically, just like Texas did during Winter Storm Uri.

how many more deaths will it take to learn this lesson?

rogercaiazza
Reply to  corev
December 3, 2023 6:00 am

Well said!

December 3, 2023 1:40 am

To cut a very long story short: there is no climate emergency. There is no need for emissions reductions, and CO2 and the very slight temperature increase is a boon for humanity.
This person is also taking the wrong approach, first of all in using the language of his opponents,
or even doing any argumentation using their talking points. There’s no point in making nonsense cheaper or economically more realizable.

December 3, 2023 1:44 am

Its becoming a bit encouraging. People are no longer focusing on the claims that there is a climate emergency or that global CO2 reductions are necessary. Instead they are focusing on the really damaging thing, the policies advocated by the climate movement. It turns out the evidence on these is becoming clear, and its damning.

As the piece points out, nothing NY State does is going to affect the level of global emissions. So the rationale of doing it because climate change and to save the planet is absurd. However, you’ll get nowhere with that argument, nor will you get anywhere with the argument that there is no climate crisis. These are basically religious beliefs.

Where skeptics are getting traction is by pointing out that even if there is a climate crisis, the proposed measures are not a solution to it because they will not work. As the piece says, ‘the plan is to electrify everything possible using zero-emissions electricity’. It is becoming increasingly clear that this cannot be done. You can electrify everything, or at least quite a lot of it. But you cannot do it, or run the grid even at present levels, on zero emissions electricity from wind and solar.

The state of debate has a lot in common with the gender and race wars. The question has turned from the ideological claims to whether ‘gender affirmation’ medical treatments are safe and effective, and what the results of affirmative action have actually been.

What seems to be happening in Dubai is that the focus has shifted. Its no longer on reducing the global tonnage of CO2 emissions and handing out quotas for that. It seems to have turned to installing more wind, solar and nuclear power generation. This, if correct, is a very hopeful sign. The wind and solar will not get installed in the quantities needed, the conventional generation will not be turned off, and the mania will gradually fade from sight.

The thing that is worrying is that this intellectual change is probably too slow and too gradual to prevent the political classes of the US and UK from driving their economies off the cliff in the name of Net Zero.

We are still waiting for the first Western country to repudiate the whole local Net Zero proposal. Eg for the UK to repeal the Climate Change Act. The US to repeal Biden’s legislation. But I fear it will not happen until, eg in the UK, countries go through several years of large scale, probably nationwide, blackouts. The strength of policy makers’ belief in this silliness is so great that only disaster will shift it.

Rich
Reply to  michel
December 3, 2023 6:07 am

Nuclear is indeed hopeful. Currently it is a base load technology and not a peaking load technology. I do not know if there are any nuclear plants in the concept, permitting, design, construction, or commissioning phase here in the US. I’m guessing the timeline from concept to commercial operation could be anywhere from 20 to 30 years each.

rovingbroker
December 3, 2023 3:03 am

Stein’s Law

Stein propounded Stein’s Law, which he expressed in 1986 as “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.” Stein observed this logic in analyzing economic trends (such as rising US federal debt in proportion to GDP, or increasing international balance of payments deficits, in his analysis): if such a process is limited by external factors, there is no urgency for government intervention to stop it, much less to make it stop immediately, but it will stop of its own accord. A paraphrase, not attributed to Stein, is “Trends that can’t continue won’t.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Stein

One big problem we have in the US is a seemingly infinite ability to borrow money used to “buy” votes from effected groups of voters and doners to election campaigns.

Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…

https://richardlangworth.com/worst-form-of-government

December 3, 2023 3:16 am

the BS Asymmetry Principle described by Alberto Brandolini: “The amount of energy necessary to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.”

awesome- I’m gonna remember that! And use it here in WK.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 3, 2023 7:28 am

Where is, what is, “WK”?

Reply to  BobM
December 3, 2023 9:25 am

Oh, I’ve renamed my state to Wokeachusetts and gave it a new postal code- though I’ll probably not try using it for mail. 🙂

December 3, 2023 3:28 am

Ellenbogen has the ear of many people at the agencies in Albany and unofficially they agree with his concerns. Unfortunately, they are not in the position to say anything publicly because the CLCPA is a law and the agencies have been weaponized to support the political ambitions of the Administration in the last decade. Speaking out of line with narrative is not a good career move for technical staff at the agencies.

So, they are cowards who will contribute great damage to the economy of the state and thus to all its citizens all in the name of protecting their careers. It’s disgusting. Of course the same is true in other nut-zero states like Wokeachusetts where virtually 100% of the government, media, academia and even corporations are singing the climate emergency opera. Most know it’s BS but they’re all figuring out how to benefit from the vast flow of easy money- while the landscape and ecology are damaged and the price of energy sky rockets. Cowards and hypocrites.

December 3, 2023 4:35 am

I give him a A for effort. The climate emergency fraud needs to be dealt with head on. There is no theoretical reason to think a trace gas like CO2 has any effect on surface temperature or climate. There is certainly no empirical evidence to support such an idea.

Ronald Stein
December 3, 2023 5:51 am

As a refresher for those pursuing net-zero emissions, wind and solar do different things than crude oil.

Renewables only generate occasional electricity but cannot manufacture anything.

Crude oil is virtually never used to generate electricity but when manufactured into petrochemicals, is the basis for virtually all the products in our materialistic society that did not exist before the 1800’s.
 
We’ve become a very materialistic society over the last 200 years, and the world has populated from 1 to 8 billion because of all the products and different fuels for jets, ships, trucks, cars, military, and the space program that did not exist before the 1800’s.

Until a crude oil replacement is identified, the world cannot do without crude oil that is the basis of our materialistic “products” society.

Beta Blocker
December 3, 2023 7:26 am

The NYS Climate Act is implemented primarily through legislation and regulation, including NYS-funded wind and solar development projects.

The fact is that it is impossible for any combination of NYS-funded projects and privately-funded projects to fully replace the state’s gas-fired power generation resources with wind & solar.

Replacement of gas-fired capacity can’t be done on the Climate Act’s legislated schedule, and it can’t even be done within the next fifty years regardless of how much money is spent trying to do it.

The Climate Act emission reduction targets can only be achieved through a massive commitment to energy conservation — up to and including rationing of fossil-based energy.

Rolling blackouts as well as unintended catastrophic blackouts will become a defacto means of rationing electricity in New York State. Rising prices for all forms of energy and a steady loss of both industry and population will become a defacto, if indirect, means of promoting energy conservation.

The next big question in the NYS Climate Act saga is how the NYS Public Service Commission, the NYS Independent System Operator, and the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation will be handling air emission permit renewals for the state’s gas-fired power plants.

Intense pressure will be brought against the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation to deny renewal of air emission permits for New York state’s existing gas-fired power plants whenever these come up for periodic review.

Periodic renewal of air emission permits for New York City’s load pocket peaker plants will come in for special near-term attention when the fight over periodic renewal of environmental permits becomes acute.

The argument will be made that (1) the NYS Climate Act all but directs the NY-DEC to place the alleged impacts of carbon emissions above all other considerations in making its regulatory decisions; and 2) the US-EPA’s new carbon emission rules will force the closure of the state’s gas-fired power plants regardless of what the NY-DEC decides.

Similarly intense pressure will be brought against the NYS Public Service Commission and the NYS Independent System Operator to support any NYS-DEC decisions which deny renewal of air emission permits.

Will these two agencies stand their ground in defending the true public interest and oppose early closure of the state’s gas-fired power capacity? Or will these two agencies cave in to the intense pressures being brought against them and concur with a DEC decision to deny gas-fired power plants regulatory permission to continue operating?

rogercaiazza
Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 3, 2023 11:31 am

Very good summation of the problems. There is one added piece that adds to the intense pressure to shut down the fossil units. The state has new requirements for permit applicants to consider impacts to disadvantaged communities. Nothing is defined but it will make it more difficult to keep the lights on,

Beta Blocker
Reply to  rogercaiazza
December 3, 2023 2:34 pm

Yes. Consideration of impacts to disadvantaged communities.is likely to become one more reason why periodic renewal of air emission permits for New York City’s load pocket peaker plants will come in for special near-term attention when the larger fight over periodic renewal of environmental permits starts to become acute.

The NY-DEC permit reviews for the load pocket peakers will become bellweather indicators for just how effective the Climate Act will be as a major force in driving social change and energy policy change in New York State.

George Daddis
December 3, 2023 7:30 am

It is unfortunate that so much intellect and energy is is being spent on how to prevent an invasion of unicorns as contrasted to pointing out that being over run by unicorns is demonstrably not a realistic concern.

John Oliver
December 3, 2023 9:24 am

The problem as pointed out in some of the comments above is that debt is real. I have run into very well meaning very nice friends and neighbors ( even a couple of working class conservatives) that think if things get bad enough we just “ cancel” all the debt! Like it will just go away puff, start fresh, problem solved.

That’s the kind of economic illiteracy we are dealing with. The effects of malinvestment will dog us for along time.

December 3, 2023 9:36 am

Saddly, there is almost no way to change the minds of climate cult brainwashed people, so, the most effective way to proove that the CLCPA is a suicidal madness is to let them implement it as it is. They will very soon meet the unbreakable wall of realities.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
December 3, 2023 9:43 am

Like all the Blue/Progressive/Marxist one party states that are now wallowing in crime, homelessness, and constant turmoil it will take realizing the consequences of their decisions before they do anything about it.

December 4, 2023 8:41 am

It is so encouraging the smart honest people are willing to put in the effort to document this madness and bring it to the attention of those who will suffer the consequences. The more the merrier and the sooner we can change course back to a reasoned energy strategy, the less harm, impoverishment and avoidable deaths we’ll suffer.