The “climate change” articles don’t mention that the geological climate of the Earth is still a 2.58-million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation.
The Earth is in a warmer, but still cold, interglacial period that happens about every 100,000 years and lasts about 10,000 years which alternates with a very cold glacial period that lasts about 90,000 years.
The Earth still has around 200,000 glaciers and 11 percent of the land is permafrost. The ice age the Earth is in won’t end and the climate won’t officially change until all the natural ice melts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation
…the climate won’t officially change until all the natural ice melts…
…cooling down the oceans, increasing evaporative area, increasing precipitation, starting the next cycle of ice and fire.
On this site is an excellent treatise on how global air currents are drawn in by the icy poles, there to precipitate/ aid ablation.
The world is way more wonderful than Wikipedia would ever admit to…
The “climate change” articles don’t mention that the geological climate of the Earth is still a 2.58-million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation.
That’s because it’s irrelevant to the current warming trend, which is exceptional and outside what might be expected from natural conditions alone.
They couldn’t see galaxies. Even the largest look like fuzzy stars to the naked eye. The article obviously meant constellations, but is too ignorant to even know that. I would expect an above average high school student to understand this, yet the Guardian doesn’t.
Indigenous people didn’t know about and probably couldn’t see galaxies. I think the article is really talking about constellations. And, way back, different people saw different constellations depending on how their imagination put stars into a pattern meaningful to them.
“Indigenous people across the southern hemisphere could clearly see these objects and had their own names for them.”
The author is so ignorant as to not even, apparently, understand the objects in question are constellations.
NS_1 – This sharp stick is really useful for pulling grubs out of rotten logs, I think I’ll keep it.
NS_2 – Unfair! You’ve selfishly converted a natural resource into private property. I’m going to invent the general will so that the other NSs and I can punish you at will!
In today’s Telegraph there is a story about someone who decided to buy an EV as a second car. She bought a one year old Renault Zoe for £15,000. That was the good part, though whoever sold it had taken quite a hit on depreciation.
Next came the interesting part. To charge this car from a normal household mains outlet would take 32 hours to charge the 52kW battery. So they had to get a car charger. To get this they had to install a smart meter. And also had to upgrade their network fuse from 60 amps to 100 amps. The fuse upgrade was free, but the charger and installation cost just under £1,500.
So was it worth it? Well most would say that yes, a car which takes over a day to charge is not really usable for the purposes for which people have been used to buying and using them, so it was not just worth it, it was essential. But what about public charge points? Here we get to the rub:
There’s also the option of public charge points, which save time, but cost more.
Compared to the 7.5p/kWh we pay for charging our car overnight, our nearest public charger, a 22kW Plug-N-Go version, costs 39p/kW plus a 50p connection fee, while the 60kW GeniePoint charger at our local supermarket costs 79p/kW.
Assuming we rev up our Renault Zoe with the equivalent of a single battery charge every week, we should only pay about £203 a year at home, compared to £1,080 or £2,136 at the nearest public chargers.
There is a point here which is easily missed on a fast reading. There is a specific car charging tariff. Her chosen charger
charges 7.5p/kWh during the six hours from 11.30pm to 5.30am, compared to 31.01p/kWh the rest of the time.
Earlier in the piece she goes through the problems with finding the right charger. It had to be compatible with her supplier’s tariff.
So you see the problem which 80% of new car buyers will be faced with in 2030 (maybe 100% if Labour gets in in the UK). Its that the only time you can charge at an acceptable cost is between 11.30pm and 5.30am. And to be able to do that, you have to install both a smart meter and an acceptable charger. Which you can only do if you have somewhere to park and charge within easy safe reach of the meter. That is to say, not in an apartment or a UK terraced house.
The author has solved her own problem. the arrangements she has reached will be fine for her use, and its clear from the tone of the piece that £1,500 one way or the other is not a big deal for them. They are living in what sounds like a fine listed building in rural Suffolk. Good on them.
What about the rest of the population? Don’t bother us with that sort of thing, think of the children, we are saving the planet. Aren’t we?
The question that troubles me, though, is how this is going to scale. We shall have, lets say, a few million houses with parking with their own charge points. But even these will be restricted in their charging times to 11.30pm-5.30am. The rest are going to have to use public points, as you say, lamp posts as a for instance. But there are not that many lamp posts compared to the number of cars. And there is not local grid capacity to charge all the cars that will want to refuel. And then as you say parking is normally occupied, so finding a free spot near a lamp post isn’t a given.
However this works out, its not going to be business as usual with just a change of fuel. And the Telegraph story, if this were not a second car mostly used for school runs and shopping in the country, it would be a different story.
Suffolk is deliciously rural, I like to go exploring there quite often.
I see no paywall.
The body talking here, yeeessss she lives in ‘Rural Suffolk’ but, is actually less than 10 miles from the centres of both Ipswich and Colchester.
(Colchester gets you the A12 road for a reasonably fast run down into City of London = 67 miles to The Gherkin. Or get the train (4 per hour Colchester to Liverpool Street) inside 58 minutes)
She’s talking of using £203 worth of electric, at her tariff I see 2,600kWh so If she stays ‘rural’ she’ll get about 7,000 miles out of that. Less than 5,000 if she gets into ‘traffic’
The tariff itself stinks.
Where is the utility company get that juice from at that price, unlesss they are ripping everyone else off during daytime hours
They are patently using it as a method of tying customers to their supply and as a way of avoiding government fines for not installing sufficient smart meters.
Basically, they are running a Loss Leader Scheme.
Everybody in this thing is full of BS and lying through their teeth.
She’ll find out in a few years hence when the tariff skyrockets, the meter becomes obsolete and she’s required to buy it all again at 4 or 5 times today’s price.
As ‘ordinary’ smart meter users are finding out now.
Octopus Energy is constantly enjoining me to install a Smart Meter. Over my dead body. Why should I allow my electricity usage to be rationed remotely, or even switched off?
would take 32 hours to fully charge the 52kW battery, according to the AutoTrader calculator. Using our 7.4kW charge point at home is more than three times faster
So – more than three times faster than 32hours….so shall we say 8?10hours?
Longer than the reduced tariff window of 6 hours……
Just imagine that electric cars were rolled out everywhere and they all charged overnight. The additional load on the grid would use up all of the night time surplus electricity used to charge the incredibly expensive grid support batteries…
Oh! I guess the smart meters will be instructed to ‘manage the load’!
Electric car use is difficult enough without having to worry that your car failed to charge overnight…
CampsieFellow
November 12, 2023 4:15 am
The Associated Press reported in “The toll of heat deaths in the Phoenix area soars after the hottest summer on record” that: [Maricopa County] public health officials say the final count will surely set a new record.”
Wasn’t Maricopa County where there was controversy over faulty vote-counting machines?
Centuries ago- the natives in the Phoenix and other low desert areas built adobe dwellings- with very thick walls which made living there bearable. It would be cheaper to build more with adobe than spend quadrillions making such areas cooler.
I fail to see a difference among the various means of having the fruit returned to the earth based on its location — in a landfill, in your garden compost, under a bush or if you bake and eat it. I think she also mentions water as being lost or something. Where does she think the H2O goes?
Tom.1
November 12, 2023 9:45 am
The average global temperature anomaly is no more a contrived notion than are the Fahrenheit and Celsius temperature scales, which are arbitrary in both their magnitude and relative temperature. We use such temperature scales because not using them would mean talking about temperatures in absolute terms, and this is not helpful, to say the least.
Here’s a ‘Fact Check’ that Steve seems to have overlooked: October 2023 was the warmest October globally ever recorded by instruments, whether surface or satellite.
November will be the same, according to all current indicators. July was the same. August was the same. September was the same.
There’s a pattern here that’s not too hard to detect.
The “climate change” articles don’t mention that the geological climate of the Earth is still a 2.58-million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation.
The Earth is in a warmer, but still cold, interglacial period that happens about every 100,000 years and lasts about 10,000 years which alternates with a very cold glacial period that lasts about 90,000 years.
The Earth still has around 200,000 glaciers and 11 percent of the land is permafrost. The ice age the Earth is in won’t end and the climate won’t officially change until all the natural ice melts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation
…cooling down the oceans, increasing evaporative area, increasing precipitation, starting the next cycle of ice and fire.
On this site is an excellent treatise on how global air currents are drawn in by the icy poles, there to precipitate/ aid ablation.
The world is way more wonderful than Wikipedia would ever admit to…
That’s because it’s irrelevant to the current warming trend, which is exceptional and outside what might be expected from natural conditions alone.
Woke astronomy is all the rage…
Violent colonialist’ Magellan is unfit to keep his place in the night sky, say astronomers
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/12/violent-colonialist-magellan-is-unfit-to-keep-his-place-in-the-night-sky-say-astronomers
More noble savage stuff: “””Indigenous peoples already had their own names for the galaxies””””
Maybe indigenous peoples did have their own names for galaxies. Which one of the many thousands should we choose to replace Magellan?
Why not just stick with the method we already have?
Will you really not look at another Caravaggio because it turns out he was a murderer?
Van Gogh was psychotic and Picasso was a flagrant womanizer. I better sell my paintings by them. /sarc
They couldn’t see galaxies. Even the largest look like fuzzy stars to the naked eye. The article obviously meant constellations, but is too ignorant to even know that. I would expect an above average high school student to understand this, yet the Guardian doesn’t.
Indigenous people didn’t know about and probably couldn’t see galaxies. I think the article is really talking about constellations. And, way back, different people saw different constellations depending on how their imagination put stars into a pattern meaningful to them.
“Indigenous people across the southern hemisphere could clearly see these objects and had their own names for them.”
The author is so ignorant as to not even, apparently, understand the objects in question are constellations.
This is the Grauniad, Joseph….
“More noble savage stuff…”
NS_1 – This sharp stick is really useful for pulling grubs out of rotten logs, I think I’ll keep it.
NS_2 – Unfair! You’ve selfishly converted a natural resource into private property. I’m going to invent the general will so that the other NSs and I can punish you at will!
Story Tip
In today’s Telegraph there is a story about someone who decided to buy an EV as a second car. She bought a one year old Renault Zoe for £15,000. That was the good part, though whoever sold it had taken quite a hit on depreciation.
Next came the interesting part. To charge this car from a normal household mains outlet would take 32 hours to charge the 52kW battery. So they had to get a car charger. To get this they had to install a smart meter. And also had to upgrade their network fuse from 60 amps to 100 amps. The fuse upgrade was free, but the charger and installation cost just under £1,500.
So was it worth it? Well most would say that yes, a car which takes over a day to charge is not really usable for the purposes for which people have been used to buying and using them, so it was not just worth it, it was essential. But what about public charge points? Here we get to the rub:
There is a point here which is easily missed on a fast reading. There is a specific car charging tariff. Her chosen charger
Earlier in the piece she goes through the problems with finding the right charger. It had to be compatible with her supplier’s tariff.
So you see the problem which 80% of new car buyers will be faced with in 2030 (maybe 100% if Labour gets in in the UK). Its that the only time you can charge at an acceptable cost is between 11.30pm and 5.30am. And to be able to do that, you have to install both a smart meter and an acceptable charger. Which you can only do if you have somewhere to park and charge within easy safe reach of the meter. That is to say, not in an apartment or a UK terraced house.
The author has solved her own problem. the arrangements she has reached will be fine for her use, and its clear from the tone of the piece that £1,500 one way or the other is not a big deal for them. They are living in what sounds like a fine listed building in rural Suffolk. Good on them.
What about the rest of the population? Don’t bother us with that sort of thing, think of the children, we are saving the planet. Aren’t we?
Its here. Paywalled.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/switching-electric-car-took-months/
Terraced streets have some charging (1 or 2) points on lamp posts – if you can park near one.
They are an 8 hour charge….
Public points, though. At public tariff rates.
And not exempt from parking charges… they can and do get a ticket
The question that troubles me, though, is how this is going to scale. We shall have, lets say, a few million houses with parking with their own charge points. But even these will be restricted in their charging times to 11.30pm-5.30am. The rest are going to have to use public points, as you say, lamp posts as a for instance. But there are not that many lamp posts compared to the number of cars. And there is not local grid capacity to charge all the cars that will want to refuel. And then as you say parking is normally occupied, so finding a free spot near a lamp post isn’t a given.
However this works out, its not going to be business as usual with just a change of fuel. And the Telegraph story, if this were not a second car mostly used for school runs and shopping in the country, it would be a different story.
It can’t be done! In my part of the street there are 2 lamp posts for public charging. Just 2
Around the corner there are 4 dedicated fast charging points but people seem to prefer the lamp posts
Then there’s the cables across the pavement….
The question that troubles me, though, is how this is going to scale.
It’s not meant to. You will live in a 15minute walk block and be happy.
It can’t scale and that’s been known since Day 1
Suffolk is deliciously rural, I like to go exploring there quite often.
I see no paywall.
The body talking here, yeeessss she lives in ‘Rural Suffolk’ but, is actually less than 10 miles from the centres of both Ipswich and Colchester.
(Colchester gets you the A12 road for a reasonably fast run down into City of London = 67 miles to The Gherkin. Or get the train (4 per hour Colchester to Liverpool Street) inside 58 minutes)
She’s talking of using £203 worth of electric, at her tariff I see 2,600kWh so If she stays ‘rural’ she’ll get about 7,000 miles out of that. Less than 5,000 if she gets into ‘traffic’
The tariff itself stinks.
Where is the utility company get that juice from at that price, unlesss they are ripping everyone else off during daytime hours
They are patently using it as a method of tying customers to their supply and as a way of avoiding government fines for not installing sufficient smart meters.
Basically, they are running a Loss Leader Scheme.
Everybody in this thing is full of BS and lying through their teeth.
She’ll find out in a few years hence when the tariff skyrockets, the meter becomes obsolete and she’s required to buy it all again at 4 or 5 times today’s price.
As ‘ordinary’ smart meter users are finding out now.
“ ‘ordinary’ smart meter users “
Or not so smart smart-meter users…
Octopus Energy is constantly enjoining me to install a Smart Meter. Over my dead body. Why should I allow my electricity usage to be rationed remotely, or even switched off?
in 2030 when all cars are EVs, 11:30pm to 5:30am will be the peak-cost time period. Then what?
She also said
would take 32 hours to fully charge the 52kW battery, according to the AutoTrader calculator. Using our 7.4kW charge point at home is more than three times faster
So – more than three times faster than 32hours….so shall we say 8?10hours?
Longer than the reduced tariff window of 6 hours……
Yikes!
Just imagine that electric cars were rolled out everywhere and they all charged overnight. The additional load on the grid would use up all of the night time surplus electricity used to charge the incredibly expensive grid support batteries…
Oh! I guess the smart meters will be instructed to ‘manage the load’!
Electric car use is difficult enough without having to worry that your car failed to charge overnight…
The Associated Press reported in “The toll of heat deaths in the Phoenix area soars after the hottest summer on record” that: [Maricopa County] public health officials say the final count will surely set a new record.”
Wasn’t Maricopa County where there was controversy over faulty vote-counting machines?
Centuries ago- the natives in the Phoenix and other low desert areas built adobe dwellings- with very thick walls which made living there bearable. It would be cheaper to build more with adobe than spend quadrillions making such areas cooler.
“In 2022, 67% of the heat-related deaths in Maricopa County were drug/alcohol-related.”
It is very likely these folks didn’t vote with machines or in any other way. 97% sure!
You just have to understand the magic of “carbonized climate change”.
In the report is the item that pumpkins will suffer from climate change. Well, pumpkins apparently are not taking that lying down, as CNN reports that Halloween jack-o-lantern pumpkins are causing climate change: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/10/31/pumpkin-disposal-cprog-orig-fj.cnn
I fail to see a difference among the various means of having the fruit returned to the earth based on its location — in a landfill, in your garden compost, under a bush or if you bake and eat it. I think she also mentions water as being lost or something. Where does she think the H2O goes?
The average global temperature anomaly is no more a contrived notion than are the Fahrenheit and Celsius temperature scales, which are arbitrary in both their magnitude and relative temperature. We use such temperature scales because not using them would mean talking about temperatures in absolute terms, and this is not helpful, to say the least.
Nice report.
Here’s a ‘Fact Check’ that Steve seems to have overlooked: October 2023 was the warmest October globally ever recorded by instruments, whether surface or satellite.
November will be the same, according to all current indicators. July was the same. August was the same. September was the same.
There’s a pattern here that’s not too hard to detect.