Note from Anthony: This article, while distasteful to me, is apparently true, and demonstrates the intersection of Climate Activism and Leftist/Marxist ugliness in a single article. So after careful consideration, I decided to run it. While it would be great if we could limit ourselves to arguing on the science basis alone, the sad fact is that climate change has been co-opted for its propaganda value, and no amount of science will have any effect on the people outlined in this article. Like the religions that drive the forever war in the Middle East, so has climate change become a religion with many. – Anthony
Reposted with permission from the Daily Caller News Foundation
CONTRIBUTOR
Several environmentalist groups that have advocated for the Palestinian cause have had little to say about the massive terror attacks launched by Hamas over the weekend.
The Sunrise Movement, Fridays for Future and 350.org have variously supported the Palestinian cause and “decolonization” movements in the recent past, but have not yet released their own statements regarding the massive Hamas terrorist attack against Israel over the weekend. Some environmentalist groups view climate change and “decolonization” as inextricably linked because, in their view, the colonial era established unjust and exploitative economic systems that have subsequently evolved to drive climate change, according to The Club of Rome, an international policy think tank.
The Sunrise Movement, an environmental and social advocacy organization, has reposted a statement from an organization called IfNotNow, which says that “we cannot and will not say today’s actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked” and that “every day under Israel’s system of apartheid is a provocation.” Hamas’ Saturday surprise attack has resulted in at least 700 deaths and numerous abductions, according to Axios, with Americans among the dead, prompting Israel to declare war against Hamas in response as reports of atrocities surface.
In May 2021, when Israel last fought Hamas for an extended period of time, the Sunrise Movement posted a video comparing Palestinians to Black Lives Matter protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, and to environmentalist protesters in Standing Rock, North Dakota. “We must fight for collective liberation for us all, or we will never be truly free,” the video’s caption reads.
Fridays for Future, another prominent youth eco-activism organization inspired by Greta Thunberg, has made several statements in favor of the Palestinian cause in the past 12 months. “As an international anti-colonial, climate-justice movement, we stand in solidarity with the Palestinian liberation,” the group stated in November 2022.
The group has also called to “free Palestine from the River to the Sea,” a common refrain of Palestinian activists that calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state spanning from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This slogan is also popular among violent Palestinian groups, as it implies the erasure of the Jewish state and, in some cases, the Jewish people inhabiting the area, according to the American Jewish Committee.
350.org, an international climate advocacy group, stated during the May 2021 conflagration between Israel and violent Palestinian groups that “now needs to be a time of solidarity & community across borders. From Palestine to Colombia to Myanmar and beyond, people are working for their liberation.” 350.org has not yet issued a statement disavowing the Hamas attacks, but it has tweeted about “migrant justice” and the work of a Brazilian graffiti artist in the days since Hamas murdered hundreds of Israelis.
The Sunrise Movement, Fridays for Future and 350.org all did not respond immediately to requests for comment.
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James Lindsay said it best.
Best strategy in this crap is not to pick a side, not my people in either side, I am sad that innocent people are dying, and that’s it.
The goal of Green “organizations” is to reduce human numbers, so how could they but welcome slitting open pregnant women, killing their unborn future resource consuming young before their eyes, then killing them, lest they produce more such drains on planetary “sustainability”?
The goals of 350.org and Hamas neatly coincide.
And, yes, the murdered mothers to be were women, not “birthing persons”.
It is all instances of hatred against an established order, by people who are failures – or feel themselves to be failures – in some sense or other. The core of radical Islamism or Marxism is the blaming of someone else for one’s own perceived failure to be rich powerful or famous. That these emotions and ideologies are then exploited by powerful people with money, to play geopolitical power games, is a reprehensible fact, but one should not so much blame those that have been manipulated, as those that do the manipulation. The Russian oligarchs. The oil sheikhs, The Iranian ayatollahs. Large capitalist interests in the West.
Lot of truth to this. Ironic how the consumerism that pays the bills at Google and Facebook amplifies this sense of inadequacy that seems to fuel these losers. Envy really is a deadly sin.
You forgot the US Democrat Party.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Did you hear that Republican Congressional members?
Get your plan together and start pushing back against the evil (Democrats) plaguing the United States. Arguing among yourselves is not getting the job done.
We’ll get back to you after Islamic terrorists let into the country by Biden rape, torture and murder your family.
Then burn you alive.
I watched IS do this to 2 Turkish soldiers in a cage on YT and it was quite a while before I realized it was real. When I did realize I switched off. I felt physically sick for having watched it.
I know the feeling. I once chanced across a video of a living goat being flayed alive. It’s whole skin was removed in one piece in about five seconds. Double plus un-good.
I was too much of a woos to even read what Bill and Monica did in the Oval Office when the mainstream went all coy about reporting the details.
sp. wuss or woose
“I felt physically sick for having watched it.”
The terrorists and their supporters revel in such things.
Think about the mindset of someone who enjoys this.
I think Radical Islam, being a religion that glorifies violence and murder, attracts a disproportionate number of psychopaths into their ranks.
Radical Islam is perfect for psychopaths bent on death and destruction. They can satisfy their inner demons by killing and will be praised for their insanity by their fellow radical Islamic psychopaths. What’s not to like from their perspective?
Quite frankly, Islam is a murderous psychopathic power mad group bent on control masquerading as a religion, and has been for 1500 years. I’ve read the Koran, and it disgusts me.
I think you will find that the only president who has let Islamic terrorists into the country was George W. Bush. And then let his Saudi friends fly out of the country afterwards to avoid any legal troubles.
Obviously facts mean nothing to you. Had you bothered to check, you’d have found that Tafsheen Malik, the San Bernardino killer, was let in by Obama.
Biden lets Everyone in that’s crossing the southern border and has refused to secure it until discovering it might do him harm at the next election cycle.
Mexican
Venezuelan
Haitian
Ethiopian
Chinese
Sudanese
…
And had them transported into all lower 48 states.
Are the Chinese a 5th Column style covert pre-invasion?
Are the North Africans Islamic Terror Cell operatives?
“Are the Chinese a 5th Column style covert pre-invasion?”
If I were the Chicom leadership and was determined to defeat the United States, then I would be infiltrating all sorts of my people into the United States, where they could wait for my signal to make their moves against the United States.
If you want to defeat the United States you would be a fool to do otherwise given how easy it is to infiltrate people into the United States.
Gee, I wonder why ’bout every town in the U.S. with a population above 3-4k has a Chinese restaurant in it… :<)
A lot of them are from Hong Kong or Taiwan.
Well, they built the railways with Chinese labor in US and Canada in the 19th Century. They stayed. Egg rolls, ‘sweet and sour’, ‘shumai’ are essentially Canadian dishes ever since.
Indeed, and chop suey in western Canada – how to use up vegetables which are cheap in the region. (Immigrants from China and Japan were strong in growing food in SW BC, a Mr. Chow became a middle man transporting food.)
Not much chop suey in Seattle area.
‘Chinese’ restaurants in western Canada were started by poor immigrant labourers, such as Mah Sho in Dawson Creek BC before Communists took over China. His son was productive in a different business in Canada.
Eventually he was able to get wife and child to Canada.
I expect there are easier ways to be spies than cook day and night while running a business and cleaning and …… the son did not want to run a restaurant.
Clinton let in the 9/11 hijackers to learn how to fly but not take off or land airliners, then stopped federal agencies from sharing information on threats, because “racial profiling”.
He also stopped opportunities to kill the perps or Osama bin Laden, so as not to offend Gulf State royalty.
Stupids of FBI in HQ did not follow up on report from FBI in Minnesota about an individual who beligerently did not want to practice takeoff and landing. The missing 20th hijacker as he was in jail in MN.
Izzy .. so DELUDED and NAIVE that he doesn’t think open southern borders let in terrorists.
WOW !!!
https://apple.news/AwDe5Z7eQTW2ypybfkTPEmA
Thousands of suspected terrs apprehended on the Border since Jan. 25, 2021, among 7 million illegal immigrants under Bribem. How many slipped through?
Sad that you got so many downvotes. I am a fervent supporter of the Jewish diaspora, less so of the state of Israel, deeply sympathetic to the people of Palestine, but absolutely against the Hamas, Isis and Hezbollah terrorist groups, in the same way in which I despise the Marxist organisation Black Lives Matter whilst being deeply sympathetic to anyone who encounters prejudice and bigotry.
Innocents on both sides here have been incited to hatred by forces that are deeply inimitable to the West, and who seek the destruction of Western civilisation, because it genuinely, by its very existence and success represents a threat to theirs. And in this I believe the Russian and Iranian states to both feel deeply threatened.
In short it is a mistake to group people, and their ruling elites, together as one entity. The ordinary Palestinian and Israeli citizen is going to suffer on account of of the actions of foreign powers, and their ruling elites. I side with Israel not because they are necessarily the acme of virtue, but because they stand as a democracy against the forces of tyranny and hatred that represent the radical Islamic diaspora throughout the West.
Why hatred? It is misplaced shame. The once great Islamic Caliphate is now a scattered disunited grab-bag of nations. To believe deeply in Islam is (it seems) to believe that – like Nazi Germany – one is somehow superior to other faiths, and the patent lack of geopolitical wealth and power that attends those nations is, irreconcilable with a deep conviction of racial and religious superiority.
Ergo, the reason seen for failure, is not that the people are too damned proud to admit they don’t know, and buckle down and learn, it must be because they are being oppressed and colonised by the West…
This is the message that Marxism and its adopted daughter, Islamism, spreads, from Russia to the Mediterranean, and is adopted by the radical Islamic terrorists. That we are justified in hating you, because you are responsible for our societies not being as clever, rich or powerful as yours. And we will win, because right is on our side, and Infidels fall outside any moral code we have, they are vermin, and should be destroyed, and the worst of them are Israelis.,,
That is what we are up against, So while I sympathise with ‘not taking sides’ I do believe in this instance, as in Ukraine, we do not have the choice. We are already on one side. We have had war declared upon us by the likes of the Russian and Iranian states, and their proxies.
It behoves us to accept that fact.
Very well said.
Tit-for-tat crimes do not make the world a better place. And the only people contemplating a crime large enough to end this are the genocidal criminals who do need fighting agaimst. And ending.
That’s not most Palestinians.
That’s not most Israelis.
It’s notable that China does not condemn this latest terror wave because it wants it be the leader of the “anti-colonial” world. Despite the fact that the empires are gone except for the its own, the USA’s and Russia (well, they are working in it). People expect Iran to be behind it but it’s Russia who benefit most from distracting the West away from Ukraine.
Islam does have a fundamental problem (pun intended). It does believe that Islam is the best way to run a society. Military victory and economic prosperity is the historical proof of that – morality is assumed.
Yet, Islam fell behind the West on every metric (except, it could be argued, in morality and piety). This disproves the core beliefs of the faith. Worse, it disproves the justification for the practice of the faith – how can one be a Muslim if there is no point in building Dar es Islam? What’s left to actually do?
So the failure of Islam must be due to a category error. Islam cannot have failed. What has it not obviously failed at? Morality and Piety. Thus the only Islamic practice now available to build a state around is a belief that those who are not like them are morally inferior – evil.
This is the bind Hamas is in.
One cannot compromise with evil. And everyone but the purest Muslims are evil – they must be. So perpetual, merciless war is the only thing left to do.
That is an interesting observation, which I will ponder. You are saying that the best weapons it has are piety and a harsh moral superiority, and that people actually want those, in some sense?
I certainly feel; that, whilst in no sense a Man of Faith, that the western world lost something when it abandoned Christian morality, as well as a belief in (a) Christian God.
And bad shit has crept in to replace it. Climatism is one example. Islamism is another.
Christian ‘morality’ is mixed – read about the Crusades for example, and of violent urgings in the Christian Bible.
OTOH, objective persons defend against initiation of force.
John David Lewis’ book ‘Nothing Less Than Victory’ chronicles several wars in history, from Italy-North Africa through the US Civil War to WWII.
Note in the US Civil War the victorious army did not pillage except for slaver plantations, it pressed on to its goal. In that and Italy-North Africa honest people kept the peace after dishonest people were defeated.
Radical fundamentalist Islam is not compatible with western ethics and values and seems to be spreading. I just look at Turkey which used to be governed in a secular fashion. Not sure what can be done about it but it won’t end well.
The EU insisted democracy was better for Turkey and the military power had to be removed as undemocratic.
We get the result.
You say:”Tit-for-tat crimes do not make the world a better place.”
Your assumption that both sides are committing “crimes” in all tit-for-tat actions is wrong.
Should the US not have acted against the Barbary Pirates? Even if you claim the US committed a crime by acting against the pirates the world was a better place after.
Pray tell why is contemplating something large enough to end the genocidal criminals a crime?
I’ve been listening to that crap for my entire life.
Palestinians attack Israel, deliberately targeting civilians.
Followed by the “civilized” world immeadiately calling on Israel to not respond and increase the level of violence.
The problem is that a very large percentage of the people on the left simply do not care if Jews are killed. They have decided that the Palestinians are the victims, and by their world view, victims are entitled to do anything they want.
Because the only crime large enough to end this is genocide.
Otherwise you are just killing for the fun if it with no practical, political end in mind. Just rage.
It can only end in a negotiated peace or a worse crime than most Israelis or Palestinians would desire,
Who elected Hamas?
Palestinians in Gaza.
A very sensible, well rounded educated position, Leo. I agree with the general position you advance.
The events over the last weekend will have sickened all sound thinkers and all who consider themselves part of the human race. The evil that was carried out in the name of territorial rights, was not that. What the world witnessed was pure human evil whipped into action by unforgiving religious demand. Any one who supports the actions of paragliding terrorists machine gunning dancers at a music festival, or the beheading of babies, or raping and killing women, or burning to death children before their parents eyes then killing the parents, anyone or any state that rejoices at those barbaric crimes of pure evil, need dealing with.
Those who refuse to call this crime out for what it was, are themselves promoting evil. That mealy mouthed group of terrorist apologists sadly includes the BBC. The BBC is steadfastly refusing to call the Hamas attack on Israel terrorism, an act carried out by armed terrorists of a proscribed terrorist organisation defined as such here in the UK.
Anyone who advances open borders after this latest atrocity of pure evil/hate hold idiotic views that are beneath contempt.
Qayar is also a very vocal supporter of Hamas; I wonder how many footballers or football pundits who were promoting Qatar around their world cup are speaking out? Or are they now keeping quiet in the hope nobody notices.
Qatar not Qayar, obviously!
We are all missing the edit function. 🙁
President Sarkozy made France a tax heaven for Qatar.
Qatar owns Paris football (= soccer) club.
French so called moderate “conservative”/”right” traditionally all take position for part of the Muslim world:
So we have the silly debate the centrality of knowing your Sunnis from your Shias, and President Bush (43) was a moron for not knowing which is which, as if it was in any way shape or form essential for the reading of the ME.
In the end, we get improvisations of French journalists on “that group is Sunni hence enemy of that other group which is Shia”; which almost of the time, is a factual error.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t know which is which like I’m not saying you shouldn’t know which chemical is acidic and which is basic. I’m saying that the consumer should read the notice and not try chemical reasoning and which chemical can be used on which material and what can be safely mixed with what. And that trying to understand the nuances of the Islamic world shouldn’t be a presidential duty anymore than knowing the methods of synthesis of chemicals.
Not thinking in hierarchical importance and significance of facts is a sign a weak and shallow mind. There is no evidence that some group being Sunni/Shia is a useful factoid.
French politicians and Tucker are stupid for playing such games.
Fact-check?
And the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation directed its writers to avoid the word ‘terrorism’.
But the purpose of terrorism is to scare someone away or into submission – that’s the purpose of Hamas and its puppet-master Iran, and worse.
The ‘foreign power’ in this case is Iran, which supplied weapons and instructions and parts to Hamas. (Some weapons were from Communist China via Iran.)
Both Hamas and Iran have publicly stated their goal is to annihilate Israel, promising to do so once it has nuclear weapons.
Another that would have stood by and watched the holocaust saying “it’s not my people”.
Human beings, whatever their tribe or affiliation, are still “my people”. Those who are quick to resort to violence are not and never will be included in that.
So what do _you_ propose to stop the inhuman Hamas, Iran, and Putin?
“One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment. Nothing can corrupt and disintegrate a culture or a man’s character as thoroughly as does the precept of moral agnosticism, the idea that one must never pass moral judgment on others, that one must be morally tolerant of anything, that the good consists of never distinguishing good from evil. It is obvious who profits and who loses by such a precept. It is not justice or equal treatment that you grant to men when you abstain equally from praising men’s virtues and from condemning men’s vices. When your impartial attitude declares, in effect, that neither the good nor the evil may expect anything from you—whom do you betray and whom do you encourage?” —Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand based morality in the requirements of life, which requires action.
Essential is what action is moral, which she explained.
Tara Smith covers initiation of force in her book Moral Rights and Political Freedom (an academic walk through of various theories of morality).
Not pick a side???
The deaths of Israeli civilians (men, women, children, grandarents to infants) was about 20 times that of 9-11 on a per capita basis. Imagine 40,000 deaths on 9-11, that’s about 6 months of military deaths in WW2.
5000 rockets fired at civilian targets then death squads (in German ‘einzatsgruppen’) sent on to deliberatly murder civilians and tale hostages (with a bit of torture and rape on the side, you know Hamas boys will be Hamas boys) and you can’t pick a side?
Your ‘sad’ and that’s it. No mate, you are soul dead.
350.org might object to burning babies however, because CO2. Beheading is more Green friendly!
They only care about CO2 when it’s for propaganda purposes.
Wars generate a lot of CO2.
Notice no “green” organization is advocating against war because of the emissions they produce?
Depends. Emissions produced by bombing Gaza are bad. Emissions over Ukraine are carbon neutral, including those from burning funeral mourners, including kids.
So long as Hamas say they supported 350.org and the anti-CO2 crusade…
… 350.org will continue to support Hamas.
ps.. no matter what else Hamas do…
Intersecionality justifies everything for them without having to think that hard about it.
Hamas doesn’t do intersectionality as imagined by American academe. Transexuals wouldn’t dare apply for membership in the Qassam Brigades, or even let any member know about their existence, on pain of unnatural and painful death.
Reality in general doesn’t do “intersecionality”. Very few of these vocal Hamas sympathizers I’ve seen pontificating from the save environs of American academia (where the greatest threat to well-being is seen as being “microaggressions”) would survive 5 minutes on any street in Gaza.
I love this website, but Anthony I do not understand your comment. What is distasteful about his article and what are the religions, plural, that drive the forever war?
The religions involved in the forever war could only refer to Judaism and Islam. And the latter appears to be increasingly more intolerant of all non-Islam religions
Increasingly more intolerant of other Islamic sects (Sunni/Shia) as well as other minority religions in the middle east.
Certainly Totalitarian Islam kills Christians, milder Islam such as the Kurds rescue them from ISIS. Muslims in Egypt hound Coptic Christians, few left there now.
I think this is just a case of socialists recognizing that fascism is just another variety of socialism. The Muslim Brotherhood grew out of The Young Turks, who were responsible for the Armenian genocide. They were close contemporaries of Mussolini’s Fascists, using rather heretical Islam rather than a revisionist history of Rome as a theme.
Let’s not forget massacred Assyrian Christians and Sunni Muslim Kurds.
The Committee of Union and Progress rather than the Young Turks. These movements always have idealists to get the ball rolling and are done away with when power is within reach.
The issue is that no one has heard of the CUP, and for some weird reason, the name is always translated. I have read several books on that era, and still have no idea of what the Turkish name for the party is.
CUP – Committee of Union and Progress
Wikipeida tells me that it was: İttihad ve Terakki Fırkası
Abbreviated to İ-T or İTC or İTF
Their book says what it says, and throwing out only the parts of the book that don’t fit the times is saying that the times define right and wrong. Is there right and wrong? If so then It’s an all or nothing for who created the content.
Religious books tend to be mixed, indeed internally self-contradictory – as are Karl Marx’ writings. He who escaped Germany after advocating violent revolution.
And Hamas is a Palestinian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood; from what little I’ve read the Hamas leadership seems to enjoy a luxury lifestyle in Turkiye with mansions and country clubs, far removed from the Palestinian people they claim to represent. Those same Palestinian people that overwhelmingly support (over 70%) a peaceful 2-party solution with an Israeli and a Palestinian state, something that Hamas is violently opposed to.
Yet the ELECTED Hamas.
Think again.
Right, ScumPutin and the lying killing hypocrite Fidel Castro are other examples of power elite living in luxury.
The green groups might not have understood whose worldview they were buying. Maybe now.
I doubt it. They’re part and parcel of the “Progressive” block movement (BM) which sees all Western culture, society, politics and economics as irredemiably evil.
I dispute that fundamentalist Islam is a progressive movement.
It’s less progressive than the Roman Catholic Church.
Progressives in the West support radical Palestinians.
I hear what you’re saying. It confuses me how easily high ranking members of organizations throw away specific core principles to “fit in” with other organizations’ vague agendas.
Anthony while I share your wish that we could settle the matter of CAGW with proper science and common sense I am afraid the people we are up against don’t see it that way. If good science and common sense prevailed we would already have won and moved on to other issues. We are dealing with people who follow an ugly agenda. I am not saying that everyone who has drank the CAGW kool-aid supports Hamas or what they have done but some organizations pushing CAGW are in fact sympathetic to the Palestinian cause I.e. Hamas, Hezbollah and others.
The Left knows that ‘traditional’ Marxism holds little appeal to most rational persons, hence they have developed many other weapons under the aegis of the ‘post-modernism’ movement that has captured much of academia.
In addition to climate alarmism, these weapons include critical race theory, queer theory and decolonization theory, the last often applied in a cultural sense, but sometimes literally, as in the Left’s long-term support for the eradication of Israel.
Yup. You have seen the pattern.
It’s part of the dicta sent down from Lenin and amplified by Saul Alinsky… destroy societal norms and morals, along with controlling schools and media.
Ittihad ve Terakki Cemiyetti. Regardless of name, it was guilty of genocide against Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Christians.
Meant to reply to Tom Halla above. My bad.
“I am not saying that everyone who has drank the CAGW kool-aid supports Hamas “
Have you seen any of the usual AGW trolls in this forum, coming out against the disgusting atrocities of Hamas ??
This is not just about the CAGW kool-aid drinkers; the left has had a long-standing fascination or obsession with ‘revolutionaries’, ‘freedom fighters’ or ‘opressed rebels’ – violent extremists to the rest of us. Whether it was a projection of their own dark desires to trigger an armed revolution in their own country whilst maintaining a comfortable, wealthy lifestyle or some other vicarious pleasure in the idealism of revolution, it’s been noticeable for decades. Hanoi Jane, the fetishisation of Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Yasser Arafat and the ‘sympathy with the plight’ of whatever country’s people decided to violently attack their own government this month. It’s part and parcel of left-wing zealotry and idealism that long predates the CAGW ideas.
There’s a saying amongst radicals: No enemies on the left.
It means that leftist groups do not criticize each other, not until they have finished subduing the true enemy. Which would be anyone who isn’t at least a socialist.
Once the far enemy be defeated however, then the near enemy must die, ie Bolsheviks vs. Mensheviks. The irony being that the Bolsheviks were actually the Mensheviks, ir, the minority, but the more vicious.
That’s rubbish.
The left is riven with political in-fighting as they all believe that their vision of the future is the correct one. And any deviation is inferior.
Watch Minty Python and the Life of Brian for a good pastiche. The ‘People’s Front of Judea’ bit.
I interpreted that to be satire of Lebanese and Palestinian factions than of Western Leftist groups, as suggested by the elite suicide squads.
More satire of.
They do have rifts, but they keep it in the family.
When it comes to public criticism, much less condemnation, they are mum.
350.org must be beginning to regret their choice of name. As CO2 rises, with the end of the world refusing to put in an appearance, it becomes an embarrassing anachronism.
As one of my grad school professors once, semi seriously told us as general advice in science: “Never make a provable assumption”
Yes, they need to change their name to 450.org.
The only good thing I can see happening that has resulted from this horror, is that it has brought the indoctrination into Marxism/antisemitism so prevalent in American universities into the limelight.
And the whining and excuse making continues at Harvard. As far as I’m concerned, if you were a member of any of the 34 student organizations that signed on to that letter condemning and blaming Israel for the slaughter, then your guilty as charged.
The very fact that a student would belong to an organization that would even consider signing on and sanctioning such views tells me all I need to know about their values, character, and judgment. No excuse IMO.
Some Harvard students say their organizations signed an anti-Israel letter without them knowing: ‘I didn’t even see the statement’ (msn.com)
“The only good thing I can see happening that has resulted from this horror, is that it has brought the indoctrination into Marxism/antisemitism so prevalent in American universities into the limelight.”
Yes, I think we are going to have that demonstrated for us today, as worldwide protests have been called for.
Our universities and colleges have become indoctrination centers for the radical Left. And it is even worse, as the radical leftwing ideology filters down into the lower grades.
We have a lot of manufactured delusional folks wandering around our streets.
They may be complaining that the organization signed the letter without their knowledge, but how many of them are resigning in protest?
If they don’t do anything, then they share the guilt with their leaders.
Ayup, elect them then don’t pay attention to their underlying beliefs. Suckers.
I’ve alway sympathised with the Palestinians, a wronged and displaced people whose land was stolen, and is being stolen.
But, no more. I’ll never speak another word in their name.
Barbaric deliberate terrorism and the brutal murder and kidnapping of young people reveals a brutal lack of humanity, and it turns us away from their cause.
They made huge missteps in the late 60s and early 70s with their invention of terrorist airliner hijackings, labelling themselves forever as terrorists, but now they have eclipsed that mistake completely.
I couldn’t agree more, markx. This severe miscalculation on the part of Hamas will alienate many who might otherwise have supported them as support is now seen as tacit approval of what they did. Any sympathy I had for the Palestinians’ plight has now evaporated; Hamas has done those it claims to represent a massive dis-service.
The tragedy of this situation is that the ordinary Palestinians are the ones that will suffer. Hamas does not represent the vast majority of the Palestinian people yet they are the ones that will bear the brunt of the retribution that Hamas have brought down on them.
Actually the do, by election, represent the vast majority of the “ordinary “Palestinians””.
Yes, they stupidly elected Hamas (assuming the elections were honest), as did Venezuelans. A problem is Mercantilist politicians who exploit as well. Individual freedom supported by defence and justice is not understood by many voters.
I have sympathy for the Palestinian people. I have no sympathy for the Hamas terrorists.
The Hamas terrorists have put us in this horrible position. Deliberately.
Hamas has focused on terrorism, rather than trying to make the lives of the Palestinians under their control better. Instead, they use their own people as human shields. These terrorists are animals, not humans.
Obviously, Israel can no longer live with this situation. Hamas must be eradicated. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people are going to die.
The reporting this morning is that Israel is dropping leaflets on buildings they intend to bomb, telling the residents to get out, and the Hamas terrorists are not letting the people leave these buildings.
The Hamas terrorists are Rabid Animals. There is nothing left to do for a rabid animal but to put it down.
I have no sympathy for the Palestinian people. There have been plenty of peace proposals offered, they have all been rejected. The Palestinian people allow the terrorists to live among them, but do nothing about it. Even if you aren’t in a position to do anything directly, tell someone. Continued silence means acceptance.
There had to have been thousands of people who knew that something was about to happen. THe plans were too expansive, the supplies gathered too massive, to have not been seen. Yet no one made a call, or sent an e-mail to anyone.
“ Continued silence means acceptance.”
That is why it is important to note that not one of the usual AGW trolls that infect WUWT has come out on this post against the brutal anti-human atrocities of Hamas.
People evade – Angela Merkel identified the nature of Putin a decade before he tried extortion with gas and oil. Her irresponsible game was pandering to Green Party persons to stay in power. Even now, the government avoids restarting Germany’s nuclear power plants.
“There had to have been thousands of people who knew that something was about to happen.”
The preparations seem to have been common knowledge, except to the intelligence services of Israel and the United States.
The conspirators (Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah) were meeting openly and talking about a big attack coming. It was reported in the press at the time. Israeli and U.S. intelligence ought to read a few local papers.
I hear an Egyptian official supposedly warned some Israeli official a week in advance of an attack.
I think it is probable that Hezbollah will enter the war. Israel needs to get ready to make a full-scale invasion of Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah from firing the 130,000 missiles they have, supplied by the Mad Mullahs of Iran.
The Mad Mullahs of Iran are the ones orchestrating all this mayhem. They are the ones who deserve to be punished.
US “Intelligence” agencies are too busy trying to stop TRUMP!
They know there will be a house cleaning if he is reelected.
They have no time for international intelligence gathering.
I think you are correct. They have been concentrating on Catholic worshippers and parents at school board meetings, too. The Biden FBI thinks they are a danger to the country. Actually, they are a danger to the leftwing agenda, which, to the Biden administration, means the same thing.
The terrostis supposedly did Zoom calls over the internet to do their planning. And the U.S., which scoops up all electronic communications from around the world, didn’t know about these conversations, which have been going on for months?
Hamas was visibly practicing on a mockup of the wall.
But the government of Israel was warned by its own officials, present and retired. Shocking.
“The reporting this morning is that Israel is dropping leaflets on buildings they intend to bomb, telling the residents to get out, and the Hamas terrorists are not letting the people leave these buildings.”
Unlike Hamas/Iran, Israel tries to minimize injury to civilians
I wonder if residents will overwhelm the Hamas obstructors.
Israel of course wants to destroy Hamas equipment such as rocket manufacture and communications.
Typical evil forces embed themselves with civilians.
The problem is, that their land is not and never has been stolen.
There have always been Jews in Judea. The Palestinians left in protest when the Jewish state was created. Even today, there are millions of Palestinians who live peacefully within the state of Israel. The ones in the West Bank and Gaza are the ones who don’t want to live in Israel, they want their own state, and for many, if not most of them, that Palestinian state encompasses all of the current state of Israel. I’m sure most of you have seen the flags and banners that proclaim, “from the river to the sea”, that’s what that means. No more Israel, no more Jews.
Actually only a small but vocal minority want that. The vast majority (70% or so) want a peaceful settlement with both an Israeli and a Palestinian state. Unfortunately that minority is concentrated mainly in Gaza and the West Bank, where Hamas have taken control.
Hamas controls Gaza. Fateh, ex PLO, dba the Palestinian Authority, controls the West Bank.
You say that again and again but Hamas was ELECTED.
Your vast majority statements are BS, pure and simple.
Like Kin Jong-un?
Nope, Hamas was elected in a “free and fair” election according to Western observers in 2006. Polling (for what it’s worth) has shown a majority of Palestinians support them: https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
You mean Richard Page was just lying?
I read history saying that many Arabs bet that Arab states would win their war on Israel in 1948, so moved out – creating the refugee camps that Yassar Arafat did not eliminate.
There are more Palestinians living in the USA than in Palestine. They seem to be doing OK!
I agree they would have achieved more with nonviolent protest.
The Scottish Greens:
The MSP for North East Scotland wrote: “What’s happening in Palestine is a consequence of Apartheid, of illegal occupation and of imperial aggression by the Israel state. Palestinian civilians have seen their homes destroyed, their water stolen and their land appropriated illegally.”
Her comment was attached to a tweet which stated: “The OPPRESSED are fighting back for their rights.. Don’t let the western media fool you into thinking it’s terrorism, this is decolonization.”
Ms Chapman, who is deputy convener of the Scottish Parliament’s equalities, human rights and civil justice committee, went on to retweet former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, and said: “We’ll never have peace in Israel or Palestine if we don’t recognise why those who’ve been subjected to blockade, occupation & worse retaliate.
Maggie Chapman’s party colleague Ross Greer MSP also came in for criticism for his statement on X which said: “Palestinians have a clear right under international law to defend themselves, including by attacking their occupiers.
“Hamas has no right to massacre civilians. That is just as much of a war crime as when Israeli forces do the same. War won’t sole this, ending the occupation will.”
Meanwhile the BBC, which refuses to allow any CAGW critical speakers on climate programs or clips in the name of its fabulous impartiality, had decided, also in the name of impartiality and not taking sides, not to refer to Hamas as terrorists. Despite the fact that most Western Governments, and the UK in particular, have classified it as such. It is in fact a proscribed organization in the UK which makes public support or membership of it a criminal offense. It is, legally in the UK, a terrorist organization. But the BBC refuses to call it that. The murderers are not ‘terrorists’ but ‘militants’.
The BBC of course had no problem with describing the 7/11 bombings or the Manchester Arena bombing or the IRA bombings as terrorism. Or Isis, Islamic State, Al Queda… It didn’t feel a need to establish its impartiality by referring always to ‘IRA fighters’ ‘miltants’, ‘the Irish Resistance Movement’ or the ‘Armed Struggle’, or use similarly exculpatory language about Islamic terrorism, a term it has no problem with in general.
And so we see that the BBC’s famous impartiality prescribes banning any voices which are skeptical of windfarms, Net Zero or the supposed climate emergency. And it also forbids describing one and only one particular organization as what it legally is, when other proscribed organizations who do exactly the same things, it has no problem with calling them what they are.
Its the alliance, going back to the 1930s, between Green activism, authoritarianism of the right, and anti-semitism, with at the moment the imported anti-Semitism of the Stalinist left, which in turn has its roots in Eastern European and Russian progroms. In the UK its the Corbynite, Militant and Momentum left whose underlying attitudes have infiltrated the BBC bubble, so they can’t see any reason why any of this should strike anyone as being anything but impartial and objective.
After all, there really is a climate emergency. Net Zero really is right and proper and will help fix it. Hamas really is a movement of national liberation. And if there are a few civilian casualties, well, that’s all part of the resistance movement, and what about… And no, we are not anti-Semitic. We just deeply sympathize with the oppression of the Palestinian people and think they they have a right to try to get self determination. And we do really deeply regret any incidental civilian casualties.
Really. Believe us. We are taxpayer funded, after all. How much longer though?
Incidentally, the Scottish Greens policy is, has been for years, to revoke the UK designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Go figure.
Let’s not forget that this wasn’t just the UK that decided this – a majority UN resolution declared Hamas a terrorist organisation.
In fact, war can solve it. Or at least in this case the primary threat to Israel from the inside.
History indicates that usually in any dispute that comes to war there has to be a clear winner that takes all or the war/conflict will be continued.
Another fact is that the longer a war lasts the higher the cost in treasure, be it human or otherwise.
Bottom line is shorter is better as long as there is a clear winner that takes all.
No matter which side one thinks is righteous does not change these facts.
Another fact. Appeasement does not work and that is exactly what this current administration has been practicing when it comes to Islamic terrorism.
Excellent explanation of what has been going on by Larry Kudlow:
Larry Kudlow: US intelligence is really saying this? | Watch (msn.com)
For decades, the leftists across the world have been demanding that Israel be restrained in its responses to these atrocities. In other words, no rooting out of the terrorists, just destroying the forward bases from which the latest attack was launched.
Yes, the point of John David Lewis’ book ‘Nothing Less Than Victory’.
Hama deliberately targets civilians. Israel targets Hamas. Big difference.
Hamas hides behind civilians, so any civilian deaths are their responsibility.
Fascism is a form of socialism.
Facism and Communism are type of collectivism.
Fascists claim they allow private ownership, but as a key Nazi official said ‘we can shoot the president’ [of the company].
The purpose of terrorism is to frighten someone into doing or not doing something, it is an alternative to war – which Arab states lost every time, and perhaps a softening preamble to war.
In some cases to pressure the victims to lobby someone else to do or not do something – the case of the trucker convoy occupation of Ottawa ON.
Do the BBC and CBC call Hamas ‘protesters’, a common term for persons here who initiate force against others?
You are a barbarian yourself if In the conflict between civilisation and barbarism you do not support the civilised men. To be totally clear: that is not Hamas.
From the article: “In May 2021, when Israel last fought Hamas for an extended period of time, the Sunrise Movement posted a video comparing Palestinians to Black Lives Matter protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
That’s a pretty good comparison when you compare Palestinian terrorists to BLM terrorists. Both want to destroy societies.
From the article: “The group has also called to “free Palestine from the River to the Sea,” a common refrain of Palestinian activists that calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state spanning from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.”
So Fridays for Future is essentially calling for putting all Israelis in the graveyard. How Nazi of them.
Does Greta know she inspires murderous fanatics like these?
Climate groups are communist and fascist groups. Why would they not support Hamas?
I wouldn’t care except that I am forced to subsidize Israel and suffer the consequences of having Israel as an “ally”. All without hearing a single reason why.
By the way, it will be interesting to hear the complaints of those cheering Israel when we end up resettling tens of thousands of Gazans in the US to “make Israel safer and more secure”.
There’s no need to settle the palestinians in the US. Let the Arab countries that love them so much do that.
It’s not a religious war, it’s a war over control of land. Religion has been added as a unifying agent for each side. The jews in the region actually sided with the muslims against the christians during the Islamic conquests and willingly served as advisors to the various caliphates. Relations between jews and muslims were quite good in muslim occupied Spain. That’s a major reason that Spain expelled the jews after they took back Spain from the muslims.
The conflict only began once European jews started migrating to the region in large numbers in the 20th century.
I’m not religious and I wouldn’t care for one side or the other except I am forced to subsidize Israel and also pay for the consequences.
I don’t want to pay to rebuild Gaza and I sure as hell don’t want thousands of pissed off muslims to be resettled in the US to please Israel.
So much bigotry, so few real facts.
In those early times Islamic Arabs were more tolerant of The Children of Israel (or Jacob) since both had Abraham as a common ancestor. Arabs through Ishmael and the “Jews” through Jacob.
(I only put the word Jew in quotes because is a corruption of the word for Judean and has come to represent a belief system rather than the OT nation of Judah and/or the tribe of Judah.)
Wrong IMJ, Hamas and Iran clearly state their objective is to push the Jews into the sea. Islamic Totalitarians kill Christians too.
If I’m not mistaken, the present nation of Israel was set up by the UN after WW2.
Why don’t those who hate Israel hate the UN instead?
A quick history lesson:
1947 UN passes the Paletine Partition Plan calling for Israel to be founded in 1948 and for Palestine to be founded in the West Bank and Gaza the following year.
1948 Egypt seizes Gaza and refuses to give it to the Palestinians. (Jordan seized the West Bank and refused to give it to the Palestinians, the rest of that history I shall set aside for the moment).
1967 Egypt goes to war with Israel, loses terrirtory to Israel including Gaza.
2005 Israel give every square inch of Gaza promised by the UN to the Paletinians. So the Palestinians get Gaza not by the generosity of the UN, nor that of their Egyptian “brothers” but from the hated Jews who paid for it with their own blood.
Hamas takes control of Gaza, begins launching terror attacks into Israel. Israel attempts to contain them through blockades( with the assistance of Egypt). When that doesn’t work, they build a fence. When that doesn’t work, they build the Iron Dome. When that doesn’t work… well now its 2023, and the Israelis now understand that trying to contain Hamas isn’t possible, Hamas must be defeated else future generations of Israelis will suffer the same fate as the current ones.
No land was “stolen” and Gaza hasn’t been occupied for years. These are memes that the terror sympathizers rely on to justify their positions. They are lies, and the world quickly forgets the horrors visited upon the Paletinians by Egypt (and in the West Bank, Jordan) but those horrors are easily forgotten when there are Jews to be blamed instead.
Thank you that.
Some of what you (and others below) said I didn’t know. (I don’t remember ever hearing of the Balfour Declaration.)
Some things I had heard or read before but forgot or didn’t make the connection.
WUWT is a great place to learn new info and/or “connect the dots” to things you do know now or had forgotten.
You forgot to mention the Balfour Declaration of 1917 or Truman in 1946 authorising displaced persons to be allowed to settle in Palestine and the formation of a Jewish state in 1948 when the British mandate in Palestine was due to end. It wasn’t just the UN.
Correct, one can go back to the Balfour Declaration and the aftermath of the Holocaust, both complex topics until themselves. The main point from these is that money was raised to buy land in what is now Israel for the purpose of establishing Israel as a country. So Israel was founded upon land that was bought and paid for, nothing was stolen. Wars happened and borders shifted, but the Arabs who found themselves on the Israelie side of the new borders are now Israeli citizens
Excellent points thankyou.
Instead of creating a state for Palestinians, Arab states attacked Israel in 1948 and lost. Misery for many Palestinians ever since.
At the same time as Israel was being set up, a Palestinian state called Trans-Jordan was also set up.
The Palestinians were kicked out of Trans-Jordan, as well as the other Arab countries.
And, when they were not kicked out, they were “resettled” in refugee camps in Jordan and not allowed to assimilate. They did this to keep them perpetually enraged and blame Israel.
That area was part of what was once the Ottoman Empire, ruled out of what is now Turkey.
The Ottoman’s decided to enter WWI on the side of Germany, after Germany promised them parts of the then British Empire after they won the war.
Germany and the Ottomans lost.
As part of the compensation after the war, Britain was ceded most of the Ottoman Empire outside of Turkey itself.
It was this land, called at the time the British Mandate, that was broken up into pretty much the countries that we know today. Some lines were re-drawn via war during the interim.
During one of the wars between the Arabs and Israel, Isreal captured the Golan Heights and the West Bank from Jordan, and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt.
Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for a peace treaty, and it gave the West Bank to the Palestinians. It kept the Golan Heights.
I don’t remember whether the Gaza strip was originally part of Egypt or Israel.
It was part of the British Mandate, and was to become part of a new country named Palestine in 1949. However Egypt seized Gaza in 1948 and held it until the lost it in a war with Israel in 1967. Please see my more detailed comment upthread.
Ottoman Empire, then British Mandate (1920), then under Egyptian administration (1948), then taken over by Israel (1967) then as one of two Palestinian territories created by the Oslo accords in the 1990’s.
I think the Golan heights are still disputed – if I remember correctly, there’s a UN resolution calling for Israel to return the area?
The Golan Heights are Israeli spoils of war.
Reasonable people do not dispute that Israel captured those lands and rightly kept them to protect their people and territory from aggression from Syria.
Your repeated false statements that 70% of Palestinians bla bla bla show you are not a reasonable person. The only poll that counts is the vote count where Hamas was elected to power in Gaza.
I’m sorry to have to say that, but the unspeakable horrors have a nice SE (side effect), in France the people have seen what the France Insoumise has to say, except for ONE guy, they can’t even say “terrorist” or “atrocious” or similar words, they do word salad and the except for a minority the French are fed up with them.
They are politically walking dead.
The underlying psychology is the same – denial of the effectiveness of the human mind for life.
Its main root today is Marxism, as taught in universities especially.
The Marxist fork off of Plato’s mind-body dichotomy teaches fixed-pie economics and drive-to-the-bottom ethics.
There’s a strong element of being against Jews because they are the financially most successful group (because they were barred from most occupations so focused on finance), and against the US because it is the most successful society. That’s nihilism.
I quote Marxists and their ilk in http://www.moralindividualism.com/newleft.htm.
Plato theorized that there are two worlds – an unreal one we live in, and a real one attainable only through years of devotion. (Think monks, priests, and heaven – Kant and Marx were raised in religious families. Marxists translate that into a power elite which always arises when it is substantially implemented.)
In contrast, Aristotle taught one world that humans can understand, then Ayn Rand put a moral foundation under morality by explaining the requirements of life.
Slippery al Jazeera reports on pro-Hamas students in a US university: Harvard students blame ‘apartheid regime’ for Israel-Gaza war, alumni react (msn.com)
With a friend of violent activist Tracie Park, aka Zoe Blunt, helping get weapons through the blockade of Gaza:
Activist off Gaza | CBC.ca
Screenshot-from-2017-03-02-20-20-52-231×300.png (231×300) (zoeblunt.ca)
Park and other initiators of force wimped in the face of being watched, so switched to fund-raising for violent people.
Slate online magazine is biased against Israel.
It is part of Graham Holdings, which comes out of WaPo newspaper but no longer owns it. Staff backgrounds lean left.
al Jazeera newspaper has articles that sound good but omit key factors.
One purporting to give history of ‘Palestine’ going back to the Balfour Declaration, but for example omits the reason Israel has cut off electricity to Gaza – as a lever to get hostages released.
Doesn’t take al Jazeera, the rot is here: HonestReporting | Exposing anti-Israel media bias.
While a family with a $6 billion fortune rejects Harvard U for anti-Israel statements from students and adminstration waffling about them. (Wexner family, earlier another billionaire family spoke against Harvard administration. Both have Jewish connections. Their money was helping students.)
Information on electricity supply and use in Gaza.
Watch this short video on Gaza’s electricity supply cut. | Elai Rettig posted on the topic | LinkedIn
Elai Rettig on LinkedIn: Following Israel’s decision to cut the electricity supply to Gaza, I’m… | 10 comments
Hamas’s Savagery Reflects Its Nihilistic Goal (aynrand.org)
‘The Squad’ is not surprising: Rashida Tlaib denounces ‘violent reality’ of Israeli ‘apartheid,’ grieves violence (nypost.com)
After Israel’s ‘Pearl Harbor,’ nothing less than victory against Hamas is demanded – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)