Opinion by Kip Hansen — 1 August 2023

Here I ask a simple question. Are we all wasting our time with climate science? Reading about it, writing about it, worrying about it, fighting about it, arguing about it.
To my horror, I discover that I have been involved in this enterprise for far more than a decade, originally writing from the Caribbean where my wife and I were living on our sailing catamaran while doing various humanitarian projects. Not quite as long as Anthony Watts, who started WUWT in 2006, but nearly.
Anthony’s efforts led him to be the owner and host of the world’s most viewed website on climate. Given that WUWT represents the “minority report” on climate, that is a heck of an achievement. Yet the jury is still out on how much of an impact on climate policy and public opinion this site, and the dozen or so other high impact climate skeptic websites, blogs, podcasts, etc., have made and will make.
Much of the “climate science” being done, at least that small portion that reaches the public eye by appearing in the mass media, falls into that category which the honorable Dr. Judith Curry long ago labelled “climate science ‘taxonomy’” – “‘taxonomy’, i.e. research that is neither useful nor contributes to fundamental understanding”. That type of so-called climate science is turned into climate alarm in spades, in diamonds, in hearts and in clubs – the whole deck.
I am speaking of the nonsense one reads and hears from NPR, PBS, BBC, NBC, AP, CNN, Reuters, ABC, the NY Times, the Guardian, the Washington Post – many of whom have openly joined themselves into propaganda cabals ( and this one) dedicated to spreading misleading information about climate and climate change. [A new one has just been announced: GRIST and AP. ] Even when a media organization is not directly associated with one of these collaborative misinformation outlets, their editors and journalists have to face the wrath of those that are – there are few working journalists willing to fight the tide on climate alarmism.
Even the IPCC-boosting Pielke Jr. has been blasting the media for repeating absolutely false narratives on extreme weather — the very same media that repeats endlessly the mindboggling crazy pronouncements of U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres — “the era of global boiling has arrived.”
CLINTEL, has just published an extremely valuable book, “The Frozen Climate Views of the IPCC“, widely available, in softcover and eBook formats. The book examines the IPCC’s AR6 and documents biases and errors in the Working Group 1 (Scientific Basis) and Working Group 2 (Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability) reports. [Disclosure: I contributed one of the chapters – thus have a conflict of interest.]
We see the forked-tongued enemy. A two-pronged approach. First, the underlying science is slightly warped, slightly biased, misleadingly reported in the latest IPCC Assessment Report (AR6) WG1 and WG2. A lot of this is simple confirmation bias and forced-consensus biasing. The truth in is there, but one needs to dodge the rhetoric and look only at the data itself, which is mostly correct. And then, the Summaries for Policy Makers (SPMs) wildly misrepresent what the science sections have said and transmogrify it into something barely recognizable.
From the SPMs, the politicians, media moguls, the Davos Crowd, the Green-New-Dealers, the Great Reset-ers, turn the SPM political opinions into outright lies and give the media propaganda cabals their marching orders.
And then, here we are. Here I am. I have written about 100 essays and opinion pieces here since 2020 alone. I’ve been at it more than a decade. There are a few dozen of others like myself who have researched and written endlessly, both in books and on the ‘Net, to expose the lies, the disinformation, the misinformation, and the slimy political-shenanigans behind the efforts to “decarbonize” the economy of the world in the name of fighting global cooling, global warming, climate change, the climate crisis.
Every few years we see a slight shift towards the climate skeptic way of thinking in the general populace – and recently, a few nudges in our direction from governments. The UK will drill-baby-drill to supply its own energy needs from its own resources. Japan is re-opening nuclear power plants and building new ones. In November last year, General Motors announced that it will stick with internal combustion engines. India, the third-largest greenhouse gas emitter and the world’s most populous country , is planning for an expansion of its oil and gas sectors (even as it aims to hit net zero by 2070). Those living in the real world realize that as Africa grows itself into prosperity, into the world of middle-class nations, it will do so on the back of coal and petroleum produced electricity. Even relatively well-developed South Africa has acknowledged it needs to continue to burn coal for the present and foreseeable future.
I hope that readers see the obvious contrasts between the “reality” presented daily in the world’s mass media and what is actually happening in the world. A large percentage of the material appearing on this website points out those contrasts, every single day. Heartland, the CO2 Coalition, Clintel and other international climate skeptical organizations do so in print and through broadcasts, podcasts, YouTubes and interviews on wide-reaching news outlets. There are many climate skeptic oriented bloggers doing good work. Some of the “good news” is getting out there.
Is what we do worthwhile? Yes — It is always worthwhile to do what is right, to do what is good, to tell the truth, to fight the good fight against falsehoods and lies.
But are we making an impact? I can no longer tell – I am having a little bit of a “I think I’m burnt-out” stage. I see a news article about a topic, and I think, “That’s utter claptrap, I’ll write about that.” Only to discover that I’ve already written about it a half-dozen times and really have nothing further to say than what I have already said. I sometimes fear I just don’t have anything more to say, at all – and when I teach Public Speaking, I tell students, “If you don’t have anything to say — don’t get up to speak or if you are already up, sit back down.”
So, my question for the day, and please do comment, I promise not to get mad at you…..
Should I just sit back down and shut up?
or
Should I keep banging away, just because ‘someone has to’?
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Author’s Comment:
I guess the same question applies to all of us here….
This is, I hope obviously, a piece meant to stimulate discussion. So, please, please, discuss.
On Pielke Jr.: I like Pielke Jr. He does good work. He tells the truth as he sees it. He is one of the most effective of the “climate skeptical voices”, albeit in his own way. He is an IPCC-booster but even he thinks it needs serious reform. He has paid a heavy price for his temerity. Read his substack.
And yes, I do think that there is also some nonsense published here – some even written by me. That’s the price we pay for freedom. But, the way I see it, we err in an honest search for truth.
I don’t expect to take too much of a role in the discussion, I have said what I have to say above. But, if your start a comment with “Kip…”, I’ll try to reply.
Thanks for reading.
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Yes!
And wasting trillions of dollars at the cost of millions of human lives and billions of birds and bats trying futilely to solve a non-existent problem, while degrading environments on land and sea around the globe and supporting slave and child labor to support genocidal, mass-murdering, organ-harvesting, human and lethal drug-trafficking dictatorships.
You’ve made some progress in fighting the energy policies mainly by arguing the impracticalities of these policies. But I think the science is still important to talk about because a lot of people, especially in my generation (you know the same generation that’s entering adulthood and the future of humanity), actually believe the world is in a state of great danger. My friends have told me in a conversation that they would risk the economy even if these energy sources are more impractical because having no economy is better than not having a planet to live on. Their words not mine. Even my friends who I’d consider to be on the smarter side share that alarmist viewpoint.
People who should know better don’t, because of relentless lies by media, government and academics with vested interests.
It’s as relentless as The Church in the Middle Ages.
It has become the Church of the Day.
Not to mention abandoning all common sense
Walter,
on what basis do you and your generation believe the ‘world is in great danger’.
Surely nothing you have read in here for instance.
The world is in great danger from politicians who make ill informed judgements and those politicians in global organisations that seek to over rule national control and run the world, totally unelected or asked for.
Climate is the least of your worries, or should be!
Well I think the environment is doing just fine. Humans have made some great environmental strides in recent decades and increasing CO2 will further green the Earth. The rest of my generation, on the other hand, thinks we’ll have to build spaceships to evacuate humans to Mars. They think that all of the drastic changes to the economy and our energy are necessary to save the world. They’ve been fed lies their whole lives and have a hard time seeing mass delusion propagated by government and media. Because of that, I think arguing only the economics and inefficiencies of renewable energy will win the battle in the short term until my generation takes over
How many have done something really effective to reduce their carbon footprint?
I don’t know why people downvote such a good point. Nobody wants to admit to being a hypocrite. Ask them what they have personally done in furtherance of the goals they claim are necessary to ‘save the planet’ and they are put into cognitive dissonance. Either they have to lie to themselves about the significance of their recycling efforts or they have to adjust their views to their actual behavior.
Cynically I am confident that they can concoct any number of fairy tales, but it would then be our task to debunk each in turn.
Yes, Mars is lovely this time of year.
“Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids”
cimdave ==> +10!
Pretty much equally lovely any time of year, ask Rocket Man
That is irrational. As bad as the pollution in China is, the air is still breathable, unlike Mars. People can wear fewer clothes if it gets much warmer on Earth; on Mars, one would have to wear a space suit to keep from freezing to death. There is no time of day or season on Mars when one can go without their spacesuit; if the physical integrity of the spacesuit is compromised, the person would not survive for long.
Now, there are some people that I would prefer to have restricted to a spacesuit 24/7.
OTOH, there are others that I would positively enjoy seeing in rather fewer clothes.
So, I’m rather conflicted here…
The great danger is that of a higher probability of warfare.
Actions like fooling with national fossil fuels are high on the list of causes of conflict.
Just wait until the man in the street finally realizes how he has been conned.
It is starting to sink in with Covid.
Geoff S
Some of those “man in the street” get sent off to war due to such false reasons. The children of the rich and powerful of course seldom go. At least back in tribal days, the chief led his warriors. We should require that again- it might reduce warfare.
Even when kings led their armies, it didn’t reduce warfare.
Sure, but at least those with the power to start a war have to face the consequences.
Send “climate czar” John Kerry in on his Swift Boat!
Although that might not work well in Ukraine, where a dam across their largest river was recently blown up…
Walter said “But I think the science is still important to talk about because a lot of people, especially in my generation (you know the same generation that’s entering adulthood and the future of humanity), actually believe the world is in a state of great danger.” The implication is clear that he is not one of the “believers”.
Kip – many of his generation has been brainwashed. They have not been taught to look behind the curtain, but to accept the declarations of authorities. They are still young – and still able to start thinking for themselves, unlike many of our generation who have sneered at “deniers” and would feel like fools if the truth was suddenly accepted as fact.
It is our responsibility to try to open the eyes of those who will see, especially the young ones. That responsibility especially lies with those who can write intelligently, logically, factually, and in an interesting manner. You are one of several on this site – Watts, Middleton, CTM, Willis, and many others, as well as some very good commenters. I wish MarkW and others would do more than just comment.
I have followed WUWT almost daily since 2006, yet I still learn from you guys. I’ve been involved (on a verbal – not written level) in the Climate Change discussion since the ’60s, when I was arguing against the coming Ice Age. I expect to be laughing at the coming Ice Age before I die. I remember too well my grandfather and uncles laughing about how they lived through these whiplash scares dating back to the 1920s. As farmers, climate was critical to their careers, yet over all that time they saw little difference. They expected the college boy (moi) to be taken in by every silly trend Popular Science breathlessly reported. Thanks to them, I was not (although they still planted and built fences according to the phase of the moon!)
Life is funny, but it is also a battle with the occasional victory. Those victories slow the victimization of the masses by the ruling class. That alone makes the fight worthwhile.
Ex-KK ==> “although they still planted and built fences according to the phase of the moon!” And I bet their fences kept in their stock and their crops grew better because of it.
An occasional victory certainly helps….
The world is in great dangeris a head worm that drives apocalyptic thoughts in humanity. It nourishes doomsday cults, of which, the current climate hysteria is just one more. That is why science and facts make hard work of sailing into head winds. In time the wind will change. Hopefully before we are on the rocks.A very real problem in the spread of inappropriate decision/opinion making is the pay-off for being on song, knowing the tune and the words, offering less hassle and more options, guaranteeing a place in the group, and, of course, financial security and progress. Lies, bribery and blackmail have always been the tools of persuasion when facts and truth may point the victim in a diametrically opposite direction.
It takes strong personality and self-belief to fight the threats of persecution, isolation and punishment especially when they guarantee erosion of financial security. Politicians have long known this and that is why they have no apparent sense of guilt or responsibility when most individuals would display discomfit at much of what they do.
The UN is an easy target to name for those with proper consciences because it is so corrupt and corrupting and has no beating heart just the pendulum of illusion. On the one hand we have those with hearts and on the other we have the heartless. Is that what OUR money was supposed to buy? It will take a world war or decades to clean this mess up but not cleaning it up will have far, far worse consequences for all of us including those who think they’ll be sitting pretty in the New Age.
And in the past, most people were fearful of Satan. We’ve just replaced one devil with another. Perhaps there is some deep seated need in the human psyche for such a threat, maybe to help us understand all our other fears.
Walter ==> Thank you for joining the conversation as a “younger person” (which I am no longer, young, that is….)
The Mass Media Propaganda cabals are largely responsible for the sad state that your friends find themselves in — they want clean air, clean water, free and wild places, thriving environments — we all do. But they have been fooled by the conflation of those laudable goals with the CO2 madness. More CO2 is the OPPOSITE of dirty air — it is better air.
The energy sector, including coal and oil, have brought great prosperity — prosperity that has allowed our nations to set aside vast tracks of valuable land for national parks and protected bio-zones. Forests are growing back so rapidly that we can no longer maintain them — which leads to massive forest fires.
What I do, I do for you and your compatriots.
Thank you for your contributions. I learn something new from you guys everyday.
Walter ==> ANY day you “learn something new” is a Good Day!
Walter, if you and your friends want to worry about something worry about the $2 trillion/year increase in the national debt ($2000000000), That’s the crisis that needs to be dealt with, not a 2 ppm/year increase in CO2 (0.000002). The inevitable economic collapse and subsequent anarchy is the crisis, not plant food. Paul Krugman, the go-to libera/progressive economist is wrong, a huge national debt is not “just a number”.
You, your smart friends and most of your contemporaries have been totally deceived by the relentless drumbeat of climate change propaganda! It’s up to you to break the mind fog of the propagandist lies that grip your intelligence. Climate change depends precious little on science while propelled unequivocally by a religious fervor deeply rooted in manipulated data thanks to falsely constructed climate models.Don’t be afraid to open your mind and search for the truth!
Kip, set up an KAIP Hansen “wack-a-mo” that is connected to that vast database of knowledge you have created – that needs repeating on a rotating daily basis!
Bit of work to get it going, but then “you” can be an influencer while adjusting your jib!
Dan ==> And that’s what I was doing after loading the above commentary to the server yesterday … adjusting the jib, that is. My wife and I went sailing in a lovely fresh breeze to a local island, then beat our way back against wind and tide. Refreshing.
Ah, a good day. Sailing is one thing where you can honestly say “it was uphill BOTH ways” on some days.
WO ==> In the decades of living on the sea, I have found that the wind is against ya 80% of the time. The trick to to go with the flow (of the air, that is).
Of course. It’s just a proxy for socialism. It’s not actual science.
You and the others working to counter the climate agitprop are doing the work necessary for the following generation(s) to discover information and data that negates the current rush on climate alarmism.
It’s vital work, and I thank God people like yourself and Anthony are in the trenches pushing back.
I’m sorry you’re feeling a bit burnt out by the experience. I don’t believe it’s something we are going to “win”. However, I believe a place where alternative facts and opinions reside is an essential need for those who escape the intense propaganda and hard selling of climate catastrophe that is the CAGW grift.
Any attempt to bring pragmatism to the net-zero renewables agenda is a long lonely road to walk. Most of us feel it with out being the gathers and collators of the counter argument to the climate hysteria. We read and comment and argue and hopefully like yourself, bring into the fold those who’ve awakened amid the chaos of climate hysteria.
So I say, don’t do it for the win. Do it for the record. It’s vital that a counter record exist. Especially given that the alarmist are working so hard to remove any alternative voice from being. Chin up. 🫡
“I believe a place where alternative facts and opinions reside is an essential need for those who escape the intense propaganda and hard selling of climate catastrophe that is the CAGW grift.”
Every time I see an alarmist claim in the press, I know I can come to WUWT and find the issue thoroughly discussed.
There are many climate change alarmist claims in the press, and the claims involve many scientific disciplines, and even knowedgeable people, are not knowledgeable in all subjects, but they can come here to find people who are knowledgeable, and who will explain the situation in plain language.
Your writing is helping a lot of people, Kip. I think your uncovering of the Mass Media conspiring together to push the human-caused climate change narrative is very important. People should be told there is a concerted effort to brainwash them over climate change.
Climate Change Propaganda Organs are dangerous to humanity. They should be exposed. Who are they? Who is paying for all these efforts? Why are these efforts being made? Why has science been turned into politics?
Keep up the good work, Kip. The World needs you. 🙂
“Every time I see an alarmist claim in the press, I know I can come to WUWT and find the issue thoroughly discussed.”
Nailed it! When I first was directed here by a friend 3-4 years ago- I found it overwhelming because the discussions were so good- so unlike the simple propaganda in the MSM. I was actually shocked that there even existed such an alternative view- which is absolutely unknown here in Woke-achusetts. When I finally got the sense of it- I realized that I had also been preaching the climate cult. It’s easy here because in Woke-achusetts, there is by default, a negative view of ff producing states as backward with my state being so elitist with all the higher education. So it was so perfectly reasonable that ff producing regions were going to kill the planet.
So, I can thank WUWT for taking the scales off my eyes.
Tom A ==> What a kind thought, thank you.
I agree that most of the Izaaks and Rusty Nails are brainwashed rather than nefarious. I think the jury’s still out on Nitpick Nick, but I would give even him the benefit of the doubt.
Even the majority of the propagandists are sincere and acting in good faith. They are true believers in a false religion. They are still dangerous even though they intend to do good. It’s quite possible that they arose spontaneously from a mass delusion, independent of conspiracies. A lot of people just believing an error.
There are two other groups out there in the alarmist camp. Hypocrites riding a wave for personal gain, and ideologues consciously using Climate Change ™ as a Trojan Horse to usher in totalitarianism.
It’s not too difficult to suss out who’s a hypocrite—just contrast Say—Do. They obviously didn’t manufacture the hoax, they see opportunities and incentives and act on it for personal gain.
The most dangerous and evil group are in the Trojan Horse. Did they initiate the mass delusion or are they also merely taking advantage of it? Does it really matter? In the end they are equally dangerous either way.
All of this is to deny that I am a conspiracy theorist, which doesn’t mean that there is no coordination of individuals and groups or that their actions are not harmful.
Philip ==> Thanks for the encouragement. haven’t heard anyone say “Chin up!” in ages.
Cartoons illustrate the problem. For example:
The difference between a conspiracy theory & fact is …
about 5 years !
nowdays? closer to 6mths
Obligatory XKCD about a different “problem” …
Your article is confusing media responses in the West with actual policy decisions.
The media is a form of entertainment that wants sensationalism. It’s only news, not anything important. The real decisions are not made by the Guardian.
There have been 26 or so Conferences of the Parties set up by the UN to discuss the global response to this issue. And they have all agreed that the biggest emitters, China
and India, need do nothing yet.
The West can do what it wants. (Of course, the West can do what it wants. The UN has no power over sovereign nations.)
If the West wants to abandon manufacturing while the world’s biggest nations want to take on that role, no-one can stop it.
If the world’s biggest emitters and most technologically dynamic countries ignore AGW
then the policy battle has been won.
Unfortunately, not won by the West. But at least humanity can move on and ignore this folly.
Quite correct, but they do report on the next step to hell, and, more importantly, they spend most of their effort preparing our collective consciousness for the next step.
MCourtney ==> But NY State has just banned natural gas heating and cook in new buildings, based on Climate Madness. California bans ICE engines in trucks and cars….There is a mssive governmental push fo force homes to go “all electric” — while at the same time, the same states are facing brownouts and blackouts, because the grid just can’t support the current loads, and will not be able to support the increased loads, even just those of EVs.
Kip the wise words of Robert Burns
A Man’s a Man for a’ that:
For a’ that, and a’ that,
Their tinsel show, an’ a’ that;
The honest man, tho’ e’er sae poor,
Is king o’ men for a’ that.
Ye see yon birkie ca’d a lord,
Wha struts, an’ stares, an’ a’ that,
Tho’ hundreds worship at his word,
He’s but a coof for a’ that.
For a’ that, an’ a’ that,
His ribband, star, an’ a’ that,
The man o’ independent mind,
He looks an’ laughs at a’ that.
Legend has it that while he was hiding out in a cave, Robert the Bruce took to watching a spider that was struggling to build a web. Whenever the little spider appeared to make progress, it would fall, only to climb back up again and attempt to weave a web once more. Eventually, after trying, and trying, and trying again, the spider managed to weave one single line of silk, and from there, was able to build its web.
Bruce took from this that ‘if at first, you don’t succeed, try, try, try again’, and went on to defeat the English at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, despite the Scottish army being outnumbered around 7,000 to 13,000.
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Watson: “It looks like the attacker fled the scene, leaving behind this evidence before he had time to clean up the scene.”
Holmes: “Precisely Watson, and now the game is afoot.” (Conan Doyle)
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We are winning folks! (Hotscot)
Ben ==> Robert Burns – a true genius of language and of poetry. I usually don’t get poetry, though I write a very tiny bit of it, but once I get over the language difference, I get Burns.
Never surrender! Every little bit helps. It is exhausting to fight the same battles over and over but if we don’t, the world proceeds even more rapidly down the road of energy self-destruction. Truth, science, and all the observational evidence is on our side refuting the apocalyptic fantasy that human CO2 emissions are wreaking havoc on the planet. We have to keep getting the message out and persuade the persuadable that there is no climate catastrophe. Keep up the good work! And take breaks to relax and enjoy the most important things: family and friends.
stinkerp ==> Churchill: “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never–in nothing, great or small, large or petty–never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”
An important reminder for those in the trenches of this unfortunate fight.
And oddly enough people concerned about climate change are convinced that they are losing as well. They look at the fact that CO2 emissions rise every year, that the amount of coal being mined and burnt increases that no country has made any meaningful steps towards reducing their CO2 emissions (other than swapping natural gas for coal) etc.
“ They look at the fact that CO2 emissions rise every year, that the amount of coal being mined and burnt increases that no country has made any meaningful steps towards reducing their CO2 emissions”
GREAT NEWS , isn’t it !!
Pity they have WASTED so much money achieving that. !
But then , it’s not about CO2 is it.
It’s about “restructuring” western society.
On the contrary – it’s great news! More plant food in the atmosphere means global greening, and higher crop yields, and absolutely no effect on climate.
“And oddly enough people concerned about climate change are convinced that they are losing as well.”
They are losing, for the reasons you described.
Perhaps if the greens were to go to China, Russia, India, Africa and Latin America to preach their message- you might convince those nations to cut back on carbon emissions. But don’t plan on such success.
Izaak ==> Quite right, Slim. You have grasped the problem by the tail. No one is winning — it is a losing enterprise?
What’s CO2 got to do with planetary warming?
According to the recently published Energy Institute ‘Statistical Review of World Energy 2023’ the Asia Pacific Region accounts for almost 50% of total CO2 emissions and China was responsible for 72% of the growth of primary energy consumption in 2022.
Why don’t you go and have a word with them?
I would say the past work – even if repetitive- is vital…..
Slowly the grains of sand of truth build up and manage to stop the boulders of AGW propaganda from moving
Recently I have noticed a number of interesting push-backs (in addition to the ones pointed out in the article)
The Uxbridge by-election result – driven by ULEZ (in my opinion a proxy for all the NZ stuff) – this has led to public statements by all parties about some re-thinking
Tony Blair (or all people) publicly stating the costs of NZ must not be born by the public (not sure where he thinks the money comes from But that’s a different debate)
And finally – Chris Packham (of all people!) in the new Earth series on TV. Scientifically based commentary on the positive impact of CO2 on plants. Indeed the last episode was largely about CO2 and he did not utter the words “climate change” once…..
I made a point of not watching Packham to protect my blood pressure and the TV
Packham, as a “naturalist”, should understand the carbon cycle and recognize that man’s contribution to it is background noise. It is by no means certain that the minute increase of the tiny portion of the planet’s carbon that is currently in the atmosphere as CO2 is entirely due to human activity when natural processes are orders of magnitude greater.
Looks like some people will change their tune but will never admit it.
Hysteria ==> Maybe Anthony and Charles-the-moderator might run a request for nominations for a section on Classic Posts….so the best of the best might not be lost in the mist of the past.
Could we all try to avoid abbreviating Nut Zero to NZ? There are many of us even here in New Zealand who would object to that! Not enough of us, of course, but some are at least slowly awakening!
Only to discover that I’ve already written about it a half-dozen times and really have nothing further to say than what I have already said.
Then all that’s required is a paragraph to point out that they are recycling this rubbish again, with links to your previous writings on the topic. Pointing out their rubbish recycling is valuable.
charlie ==> a kind thought — but that sort of thing doesn’t make a readable essay. Maybe I (and others) could take their best stuff on a single topic, like Sea Level Rise or Temperature Fiddling, and write a synopsis post (which could include links to the originals).
Hi Kip,
It all depends on the reason you have to do it. If you expect to contribute to winning a war, then you will likely burn yourself out as this war cannot be won given the disparity of means. If you are just happy with being on the side of the truth and keeping the resistance alive then you will find it very worthwhile.
In the history of science, the figure of the lone researcher fighting against the orthodoxy for many years without getting recognition sometimes until he has long been dead is common. Alfred Wegener was vindicated in the 1960s, and Milutin Milankovich in 1976. Few people believed they were right before.
This I learned after many years in science: Stick to the evidence and you’ll never be wrong. Stick to your hypotheses and you’ll be wrong more often than not.
Some people notice the lack of evidence in the CO2 hypothesis and it makes them skeptical. That is why they can never convince all the people. As the saying goes:
They can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but they can not fool all of the people all of the time.
I am happy with being on the right side based on the evidence and contributing to better knowledge that should raise doubts in the few people that are open to arguments. I assume I’ll long be dead before the science on this issue is really settled so it doesn’t bother me that progress is slow.
The other side has it worse. Their proposed solution, abandoning fossil fuels, is impossible and it is not happening. People will only go along as long as their quality of life is not impacted. No matter how much they fudge with the data the climate cannot be affected. Sooner or later nature will show how powerful natural climate change truly is, so their cause has its days counted.
Long term our position is much stronger. The secret is that happiness is a journey, not a destination. We should all enjoy the trip.
The negative results are now, today, becoming more and more pronounced, restricting the quality of life and constantly threatening to become harsher. “They” are very good are introducing requirements a little at a time so that the majority can’t piece them together to understand why there are fewer, then still fewer choices.
It seems to me that “they” see the propaganda failing in various ways as their pronouncements fail to materialize, so are speeding up the roundup before the cattle have a chance to become too aware. Their end game may be getting closer.
Meanwhile, here in Woke-achusetts, there is a new state law that says you can have on any official documents, that your gender is “X”. This state gets crazier every day.
Javier ==> And you do good work, sir. Thank you.
Like you I see no new science, not even many new arguments, but there is an endless supply of new humans starting out and trying to understand more about the climate and what effect humans have on it. Yours and all the other contributions here and elsewhere won’t change minds among the already settled minds but they can and do have a profound effect on those seeking knowledge.
It’s a good thing you and all the others do. You don’t have to fight every battle Kip, just keep contributing to the much needed understanding. The tide feels to be turning and this insane destruction of wealth will stop. That means the war will be won.
I disagree with that statement. Climate science has never advanced so fast. It is the result of throwing a huge pile of money at it. There are a lot of means, satellites, proxy records, and measurements producing a lot of evidence continuously.
I published my book in September 2022, not even a year ago, and there is now a lot of new evidence supporting what I said in it, and adding new aspects to it.
Being in such an active science field is such a joy for a nerd like me that I can’t even describe it. I’ll try to share it in more books though. We live in a time of wonders. Don’t be fooled by the wrong paradigm being the consensus, that is usually the case in science. Ask Galileo. We are witnessing tremendous advances in our climate understanding. They are just hidden from the public view because the media highlights the rubbish.
Keitho ==> You are right — you don’t SEE any new science. But their are hundreds and hundreds of CliSci related articles/papers published every year. You don’t see them because they are not CliSci Alarm click bait for the media — who receive their marching orders from an ever widening array of propaganda moguls.
There is good science being done out there…but it is not very “exciting” and if it can’t be turned into something that supports the Climate Crisis, it will never be mentioned out loud.
“Keitho ==> You are right — you don’t SEE any new science. But their are hundreds and hundreds of CliSci related articles/papers published every year.”
Yes, I bet 25 percent of the articles I saw yesterday on the newsfeed I use was about climate change, either a “doom and gloom” story, or a story about windmills, EV;s or solar.
And it is like that about every day. There are a tremendous amount of “doom and gloom” stories written about human-caused climate change. The propaganda must be overwhelming to people who don’t know anything about the subject.
I hear one in four youngsters say they don’t want to have kids. We can thank the Climate Change Alarmists for that.
I’ve been at it since 2007.
There are now many more people who simply don’t believe it. Recent hyperbole has ‘jumped the shark’ .
Our work now lies on the record to show that we are the good guys.
All we need to do is persist.
There has been no sign of the predicted ‘hockey stick ‘ temperature rise but there are signs that warming is fizzling out. The general public is noticing that the predictions and projections are simply failing to occur.
If the alarmist fears had any merit there would be no doubt about it any more but doubt is increasing.
No coastal areas show any problems with sea level changes and the effect of urban heat islands is becoming ever more apparent.
Yes, the expansion of urban agglomerations and the huge increase in demand for fresh water, these are real problems.
Ireneusz Palmowski ==> Fresh water is a problem for megalopolises. They require more water than is immediately available to them.
Worse yet are the growing cities plunked down in the middle of the deserts of the American southwest — which barely had enough fresh water for small towns. Some of these are beginning to come to their senses, and demanding guaranteed water supplies before development permits are issued.
Much of this problem goes away for coastal cities if we get Small Nuclear Reactors installed to run de-salinization plants to recover fresh water that has been allowed to flow into the oceans.
Roy Spencer just published the UAH July update. It was the warmest July and the warmest absolute month in their record. Fizzling out?
FinalNail,
Firstly, I do not want the warmth to fizzle out. Where I am in Southern Ontario we are having an extremely pleasant summer and the harvest is likely to by a bumper crop. The satellite record only goes back to 1979, starting in acknowledged cold years. The 1930’s had both extreme heat and cold along with extensive forest fires. So a record in UAH may have been set but you or I can’t sense the difference compared to any other hot July.
1930s weren’t hot globally.
He goes on to say:
“These results suggest something peculiar is going on. It’s too early for the developing El Nino in the Pacific to have much effect on the tropospheric temperature record. The Hunga Tonga sub-surface ocean volcano eruption and its “unprecedented” production of extra stratospheric water vapor could be to blame.”
But leave it to a climate alarmist to misleadingly, and deliberately quote without context.
He can say what he likes, it’s still the warmest month on his record. It’s not like other underwater volcanoes haven’t erupted since 1979.
Panic, panic !! The sky is falling the sky is falling !!
As has already been explained to you elsewhere, the warmest month is weather.
According to you lot ‘climate’ manifests itself over 30 years.
No one knows where the 30 year definition emerged from, but you lot made the rules, we’re just sticking to them.
So sit back down and STFU.
TheFinalNail ==> There are always records…in our short historical record. “Hottest July” on record. Yes, OK. But you seem to think that has some real significance to the wider issue. If so, what?
The arrival of El Nino foretold this result — July IS the hottest month, globally, and it just showed that it still is the hottest month.
One data point is one data point. Up is Up, Higher is Higher. Highest is Highest.
But no more than that.
That’s funny, I’m not having to watch for dust storms on the horizon, which might have been the case 90 years ago. In my geographical area, the 30s were definitely hotter. The funny thing is that if it re-occurs it will be cited as irrefutable proof despite the fact that it has happened before, no doubt happened before that, and it will happen again.
Let’s see . . . checking, checking . . . yeah, there it is: both NOAA and NASA define climate as weather over a specified geographical region when averaged over a continuous interval of 30 or more years.
And you are focusing on the UAH-publicized temperature for July 2023???
Sorry, you are commenting on a weather report when most WUWT readers and commenters are more concerned with climate.
‘The Climate’ doesn’t bother me in the least.
Well, speaking for myself, changing climate IS a concern of mine (such should be obvious from me reading articles on the WUWT website and posting comments here), but in this regard I’m quite happy to note:
(a) Earth has “greened” significantly (5-15%, calculations vary) over the last 35 years due to atmospheric CO2 increasing from around 355 ppm to 420 ppm, just in time to accommodate feeding the surge in the world’s human population, and
(b) a warming Earth is highly beneficial to humans since empirical data shows cold-related excess deaths are around ten times higher than heat-related excess deaths, and
(c) today, humans are so very fortunate to live in an interglacial period (which started 12,000–14,000 years ago, and should last for at least another 12,000 years based on statistics for the last eight glacial/interglacial cycles), despite Earth currently being in the Quaternary Ice Age (aka Quaternary Glaciation). This is not to say that Earth won’t experience momentary dips in global temperature, such as occurred during the Little Ice Age, during the current interglacial . . . such being able to cause significant disruptions to food and energy supply-demand balances.
So, yeah, I pay attention to Earth’s climate and its variations.
This is purely my own experience, but it seems to me as I drive around my area (central Maryland, USA) and everywhere I go, the trees and foliage look super-lush. Hardly a brown leaf to be seen, even though we’re in a bit of a drought.
I have an old weeping cherry treein my front yard that always starting dropping leaves by July, but the last few years, he has been holding on closer to fall. Trees along Interstate 70, that I drive every day, used to get a lot of brown spot on the leaves by now, but THEY are still all-green, and dark green. My lawn used to brown out by August, but even it is holding on to its color, though it’s not growing right now.
I’d say my area has “greened” by a good 10% or so as well.
Define ‘Climate’ please.
What . . . you think I can define climate better than NOAA or NASA did, as I noted in my OP of August 2, 2023 8:44 am upthread?
Speaking of long term trends, the one in UAH just went up a notch, showing that this monthly temperature is just part of the long term warming trend in that particular record.
Speaking of “long term trends” . . . if you go back to Holocene Optimum (roughly 9,500 to 5,500 years ago), you might just notice that Earth has been in a cooling trend since then.
Warming, cooling are both relative terms . . . or perhaps you didn’t fully appreciate that.
A single month can’t be anything to do with CO2 , now can it. !
Awaiting proof that CO2 caused this lovely warmth.
… or that it is anything but a natural spike caused by weather patterns.
TheFinalNail ==> We know the Earth’s climate is in a warming period — The Modern Warm Period. It is a very good thing.
I happily acknowledge that here at WUWT (see here and here)
GAST watchers expected and were not disappointed to see higher temps now that El Nino is back.
What we do not know is what the cause is. The physicists are pretty sure it is not CO2 in the atmosphere….though that has some, small, effect.
Oh dear, poor little boy is having another apoplectic panic attack !
Perspective.. Still cooler than the MWP when trees grew under glaciers 😉
Been an absolutely GLORIOUS winter down here. 🙂
Get out of your padded basement, and enjoy. !
Me too. Summer of 2007 we were in a travel group, and a guest lecturer was telling us how the polar bears were going to be extinct by 2020. I knew that was simply not true, but I didn’t have the data at hand to counter what we were being told. I resolved to not let that happen again. I now travel with a folder full of various topics that we here at WUWT are familiar with.
Why not just say “No it’s not,”? Your unsupported assertion is just as valid as his unsupported assertion.
Sorry but you’re still needed.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” – John Stuart Mill (paraphrased)
Or “Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever”.
Thanks to the many great articles here from Kip et al I’ve been able to open a minds to the scam. The truth will come out. How long will it take is the question.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”
― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
Mike J ==> Thanks for this: “Sorry but you’re still needed.”
Cudos to Anthony and everybody else who has built this into the greatest climate forum on earth. None of you ever stop!
For those not directly involved with the subject, the laymen and merely interested, but without the platform or knowledge, there is one very important thing you can do:
We all stand in queues, around kiosks, doorways… the human is a herd animal. While standing there, should you eye catch some form of devilry, a headline perhaps, advertising climastrology, or a rainbow arranged with six colours on childrens’ clothing, masks for toddlers, you know the thing I’m talking about. Well, don’t just stand there, feeling ill at ease, say something, like: “Shame, the store manager seems to support child sexualisation, you think his own kids are a bit off?” or “Oh my goodness, look, we’re going to die again of yesterday’s heatwave (cue dramatic eye roll). One would swear not one journalist has ever been cold enough to know THAT kills way more people.”
Conversationally, of course. With a smile and a wink.
Remember: Faith is the opposite of doubt, as They attack our faith, so we can sow doubt amongst Their disciples, too. No arguments or fiery rhetoric, just a bit of humorous doubt.
Kip,
First of all, I think it’s great that you’ve put so much time and thought into this issue.
As you say it’s always important to tell the truth and set the record straight. If someone has printed something full of bad conclusions, the wrong ideas, climate alarmism, etc, it means a reply is warranted yet again.
They may be trying to wear us out or beat a dead horse, but we can’t give up. And even if you’ve already addressed the matter, a fresh answer always works best.
Decaf ==> “a fresh answer always works best.” I do think that you’re right about that — the ever-present problem is staying “fresh”.
I have suggested this before. We are as a culture in the English speaking countries in the grip of climate hysteria. This has two aspects, one it consists of lots of doomsday predictions about the future accompanied by misrepresentations of the underlying science regarding climate.
Two, it consists of a great many idiotic policy prescriptions which are unaffordable, impossible to implement, and even if implemented, would have no effect on the global emissions which are supposed to be the problem.
Yes, its a waste of time getting into disputes over climate change itself. The thing to focus on is the policy prescriptions. Because with these an evidence based discussion is possible. The belief in a climate emergency, global heating or whatever is primarily religious in nature, its not susceptible to rational argument. Its turned into something that people testify to without much thinking about the rationale. It has to do with being and being seen to be a right thinking good person with politically correct attitudes. You cannot change this by argument.
In the same way you will not make any impression on committed Muslims by offering them arguments drawn from Patricia Crone. And they will probably be right – its pretty much irrelevant to their concerns, which are to do with how society should function today.
Focus then on the current policy idiocies. And this is happening bit by bit. The real costs and the inefficacy of wind generation are getting reported on. The futility of having the West reduce CO2 emissions while China, India etc increase them as fast as economic growth requires, that also is getting publicity. See Tony Blair’s recent comments. A man who knows something about how to assess popular concerns and opinions.
This is where its going to fall to bits. The Guardian, WP and NYT will probably continue talking about global heating, and picking on some spot with very high temperatures to headline. Various UN officials will continue to talk about global boiling and the last chance to reduce emissions before the coming disaster happens. Handwaving and testifying will continue.
But in the background, as the real costs of moving to wind and solar become clear, the impossibility of actually doing it in the face of intermittency, the impossibility of moving everyone to heat pumps and EVs even with the current grid, and certain not while moving the grids to wind and solar…. as all that becomes ever clearer, the basis of the movement will fall to bits. And you will get things like the recent UK decision to exploit North Sea oil and gas. And the striking statement by UK Labour that they will not reverse the new licenses if they are elected.
Focus on policy. There you can make some progress, and where there is already a wave building. Its much more possible to point out that there is no plan to deal with intermittency in wind generation than it is to argue about the MWP and what it does or does not show. The mania will die of itself, very slowly, and with many convulsions. But it will die as the connection to policy withers.
Focus on policy. That’s where the leverage is. And that is where the real costs are being incurred.
People will wake up very sharply once they have to pay from their own pockets and find their personal freedoms curtailed by the Green diktats. Perhaps it is already happening – the recent anti-ULEZ protests in London have been remarkably fierce.
If this summer in the UK is anything to judge by, it’s going to be a bleak winter here. At best, wet, cold and miserable. That will change many minds.
The policies are so obviously useless in regard to what they are claimed to be about that, it seems, any thinking person would come to believe they are about something else entirely. This is, I believe, very uncomfortable for a great many people, too uncomfortable to pursue.
ULEZ in London has nothing to do with climate or air quality. It’s Khan’s desperate effort to raise money to prop his disaster that is TFL.
I suppose TFL means something to people in London. Here in the southwest USA, not so much.
Transport For London
thanks
Collateral damage from covid lockdowns and the trend for working from home rather than commuting. It’s also hitting office property: plenty of vacant floors in Canary Wharf these days. Faster internet is the enabler.
When they figure it’s to their advantage, they will move onto something else.
michel ==> I have tried to focus on pragmatic realities –the real world. I have generally left “policy” to others more knowledgeable in that field.
In the policy arena, the implementation of bad policy will have bad-to-catastrophic results — and then the leaders and policies will be replaced.
Addressing the science-side maybe helps people to avoid voting for stupid destructive policy advocates.
For those of us drowning in this sea of global warming nonsensical propaganda it is immeasurably important for our mental health that you write your articles. Without them we would be isolated and doubting our own sanity, which is where the new world order freaks want us. We are gradually winning the war for truth in science but losing the battle against something much bigger. Anti global warming continues to be the excuse for actively destroying the Canadian economy and our rights and way of life, but it is clear that the warmunists neither understand nor actually care about climate science. The battle isn’t to win the minds of the Schwabian zealots over to the truth but rather to awaken the sheeple to what they are really losing. When we see the enormous backlashes against the green justification for social reconstruction that are taking place in Germany and the Netherlands, there is hope that the tide is turning. Please harness your fortitude and keep writing.
“For those of us drowning in this sea of global warming nonsensical propaganda it is immeasurably important for our mental health that you write your articles.”
Yes!
BCBill ==> “Please harness your fortitude and keep writing.” I will try … it gets tougher every year.
Maybe we need an AI-powered climate nonsense refuter?
Luke B ==> The current versions of “AI” [ scare quotes because “AI” is not intelligent, and “artificial” in this context is an oxymoron ] mostly return “consensus truth” [ another oxymoron ] and sometimes even “makes things up” [ AI hallucinations ]. It is the fact that “AI” (just a computer program) can make things up that really fascinates me.
You (all of you) have made huge contributions. Though they will likely never be repeated or even acknowledged by any legacy media. But that doesn’t matter. The age of legacy media is over, alternative media punches well above its weight and provides a critical drag against the relentless propaganda. All it takes is a glimmer of truth for people to cling to. What you do is not pointless, it’s vital.
That is why we are seeing seemingly coordinated efforts to stymie free speech in the Western world recently. The propagandists are losing and are going to try for full authoritarian control. They must not succeed. But if they do, we must continue to speak the truth, and more importantly to not speak what we know to be lies. To continue to keep the pursuit of truth alive in the darkness.
“Are we all wasting our time with climate science?”
Unfortunately, What’s Up With That is spending time, effort and money preaching to the converted. Small potatoes compared with what is being wasted fighting “global warming” but potatoes just the same.
In other news, Bill Gates was just on CBS Sunday Morning …
Bill Gates on next-generation nuclear power technologyhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-gates-terrapower-nuclear-power-technology/
Roving ==> Despite it being Gates (a dedicated Davo-ist), the real solution for the world’s electrical supply is next-generation nuclear power technology.
I was a climate convert thanks to WUWT many years ago.
There is another one posting further down the comments here.
Who knows how many more read but don’t contribute?
roving ==> I used to think that, but every time I google something like “Kip Hansen sea level” I get links to all sorts of other, more diverse blogs, that have re-posted my essays.
I recently discovered something similar. Surely you aren’t suggesting that WUWT is being shadow banned? 🙂
Clyde ==> WUWT is being re-propagated by unsolicited re-posts by lots of well-meaning folks spreading the word.
How Dare You …
…even think that the fight is over and does not need to be continued.
The MSM has been on a full-court press attack over the last few months.
Massive hype and ridiculous scare after ridiculous scare.
It is up to all of us to continue to fight back in any way that we can.
People are just starting to wake up to reality…
We must continue. !
benice ==> Well, that was nice, thank you.
Kip,
I don’t know what more you might find to say but, for my level up understanding, you have made a number of very insightful reports, providing details, in clear terms, that I have not seen anywhere else. I really appreciate your essays.
There is something I would like to see. Some people undoubtedly know it. Maybe there are (unknown to me) web sites that fully document the process but everything I’ve found so far expects the user to already know a great deal about it. I’ve made requests to a few people who seem to know how to do this thing but got no useable replies.
Supposedly the daily raw data from a large number of weather stations is available on-line. I would like to be able to
locate the appropriate station(s) for a city or region I choose,
download the data,
import it into a spreadsheet,
make a graph of the data,
and calculate the trend.
I want to do this separately for maximum, minimum, temperature.
I would like to also be able to use the maximum and minimum data to calculate the average, if that involves anything other than the obvious way simple averages are calculated.
I would be most interested in 30 year samples of the daily values but would like to be able to choose longer or shorter periods as I require.
Then I would also like to be able to do the same operations for the “official” adjusted data for the same station(s).
The last two spreadsheet steps, after the spreadsheet contains the data, are probably dependent on the spreadsheet and probably reasonably documented for the spreadsheet itself but I’m not sure as the few attempts (completely different data) I’ve made attempting to follow the documentation for the spreadsheet I use seems to have missing instructions. I know how to import a few formats into a spreadsheet but I have not found temperature data files that I can understand.
What is needed, at least for someone on my level, is step by step instructions, assuming nothing, that find the proper web site, find the data files, download the data files in a useable format (or download into some other, unknown to me program, that translates them into a spreadsheet useable format). At least one real example of every step would be needed, with no little (obvious?) parts missing so that one could do exactly what the example shows and come up with exactly the same result.
I don’t know if this is something you do or if it interests you to bother, but I think it would be a good thing.
Kip,
The value I see in this is that, as reported many times, the raw data is often far different than the final official result. I know some people who have finally come to believe that they are experiencing more and more unbearable heat and that many people are dying of high temperatures. Maybe showing them the measurements and the trends, often near zero or even negative, for the places they think they know, will spark a little independent thinking.
I find that Tony Heller’s work has come closest to what you are describing if what you are interested in is a way to view the directly reported daily data. Try https://realclimatetools.com/
For my own research, I learned R and wrote R scripts to assimilate and process the published daily and monthly data, especially Tmax and Tmin by station for the U.S., into usable form for analysis and plotting. It takes a lot of work, but it is possible. This cannot be done with spreadsheets. The source files must be parsed/examined programmatically to extract the data of interest for further analysis. Examples of what can be done can be seen here. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dKdcrDb1619vJM9U2xWRAKZoxoD8hg42?usp=sharing
Thanks for the download contents. I will have to see if I what I can make of them.
I looked at the posting when Tony Heller introduced his attractive graphs a while back. I probably didn’t read closely enough to get everything but I though he was just talking about what he developed and what he could do with it. I didn’t get the idea that he was providing the method for anyone to use for their own interests. Did I miss that part?
Sometimes the data and graphs that people present in articles are interesting but what I want is a method to look at the specifics that interest me at any given moment, regardless of its relevance to anyone else. Observing or collecting the graphs and finished results that articles and websites present is very unlikely to fulfill very many of my goals.
I can’t gainsay what you said about using spreadsheets but I would prefer not to try to reinvent the wheel, as the saying goes, if it isn’t really necessary. Spreadsheets are capable of creating various graphs and plots from spreadsheet data and include a large number of statistical tools. They might not be the best for my interests but then they might be adequate.
As to whether or not the on-line data can be imported into spreadsheets in order to work with it, various articles, while not providing directions, certainly have given me the idea that their presentations data came that way. Jim Steele, in particular, presented an article for comment that he intended to try to make a chapter of material he was trying to prepare for school instruction, I believe somewhere around junior high school.
It was about exactly one of the things I want to do. Its instructions to the student were to pick the weather stations of interest to them, download the data into an excel spreadsheet, produce the graphs and trend lines. He presented a number of examples of finished results by choosing a number of stations in a smallish region and producing the raw data graphs and trends for each, all of which showed long term cooling or no trend at all, then compared that with the NOAA final results for the same stations, all showing distinct warming trends. The ‘lesson’ certainly gave the impression that his examples were created in exactly the way he specified the student should do so.
My comment to the article was that he need to have one or two step by step examples, leaving out no details, of how to download the data and produce a graph and trend as I was unable to get even the first step from what he wrote. Some high school students might be much better at figuring it out, but I think not many.
I don’t recall if he replied in any way at all but certainly not as an agreement with the idea. Recently I looked at his site to see if he had appropriately updated or supplemented the article. Perhaps I didn’t know how to find even the right article, but what I did find was an simplified version of the original. It instructed the teacher to download the data in spreadsheet form for the students to copy and work with. Again there was no how to part. I had a few good school science and math teachers but I also had some who were generally unable to address anything that wasn’t in their syllabus.
“…but what I want is a method to look at the specifics that interest me at any given moment, regardless of its relevance to anyone else.”
This NOAA web function allows custom data queries, with an option for .csv output, which can be imported to a spreadsheet. I just tried it for Chenango County NY for daily summary data for the stations within the county for 2023 through July. A link to the .csv file was sent to me via e-mail. It appears that the queries can be for any country in the GHCN. Try it and see how you make out.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/cdo-web/search
About the realclimatetools link I provided – Yes, Tony Heller intends this for anyone to use. I have found it slow to respond, but maybe I am doing something wrong.
About the link to the google drive site, this is just an illustration of what sort of outputs can be generated efficiently using R.
AndyHce ==> Jim Steele is out there and very active these days producing YouTubes on all sorts of interesting topics. He is a member of the CO2 Coalition (as am I).
His blogger profile here gives an email contact for him.
Try NOAA’s Climate at a Glance Save your data and see how historical data changes over time. For Example:
AndyHce ==> Look at Dibbell’s stuff and Climate at a Glance. There are those that have been doing this for a long time, more on the maths and programming side, that have made a lot of progress. Also look for the reports from Anthony Watts on station data.
in my opinion, some of the historical data is being purposefully obfuscated — hidden — just to thwart such efforts. The Australian’s are hot on this effort for their national records.
There are many crimes being committed in the Data Retention arena for all kinds of science — inexcusable now that digital data can so easily backup to disc, thumb drives, the cloud, etc.
Original data should never never never ever be destroyed.
(I even keep my own copies of all my published stuff, in two places and on the cloud…..and still manage to lose things on occasion. )
Kip
Thanks for replying. I’m probably too lazy to do everything I should have done by now, particularly as it is for satisfying curiosity more than providing any necessity. I have checked a few websites where one can make selections and produce graphs but none of those were able (as least as far as I could tell) to satisfy my particular desires. They provided only a limited selection of possible data for use (they had to get it from somewhere else). I don’t expect anyone to do the work for me but if someone has already done the work for their own use, it would be nice if they would share.
I have written quite a few detailed user documentations for office workers and factory floor supervisors, so know how to meet the requirements. However, I already knew how to do the tasks before writing the documentation. Mostly I had programed them myself so was in no doubt about what was necessary to successfully use them without error or confusion. Since there are many similar graphs and trends presented in articles, the possibility exist that step by step instructions exist somewhere. Maybe even useable without a large budget for design and implementation tools.
If conservatives ever regain power in Canada or the States, I really hope that there will be financial penalties (less funding) for any government entity that “loses” such records or doesn’t allow access to them. (I can dream, right?)
Incidentally, it’s kind of funny how much it annoyed certain people when I told them that results based on data that I’m not allowed to access might as well not be based on a single thing (and sometimes, in fact, are not).
Kip
I have been at this for at least as long as you, I think, I can’t remember now.
I have written one article for this site and it was very well received, I’m happy to report, and I consider it a badge of honour that I have contributed at least something to the debate.
However, I came here with one single question:
Is there credible, empirical, scientific evidence that atmospheric CO2 causes the planet to warm catastrophically?
I’m still searching.
No one would blame you for ‘retiring’ from the debate. You are not only incredibly well informed, you are also the most responsive contributor on this site and have humoured even my daft questions with good grace.
Thank you, whatever you decide to do.
Hotscot ==> Question: “Is there credible, empirical, scientific evidence that atmospheric CO2 causes the planet to warm catastrophically?”
Answer: No — not even if you break the question into component parts.
Kip
Thank you. I’m still searching.
I’ll let you know though…….
Kip
Thank you. I’m still searching.
I’ll let you know though; by Satphone, when you’re sunning yourself on ‘your’ yacht that ought to be ‘mine’, were we living in a socialist commune* where wealth redistribution is the norm, and I’m broke.
I’ll reverse the charges and, I’m afraid, you’ll have no choice but to pay them as well…….
Because I’m broke and you’re not.
Long live zee revolution!
*Which we’re skating around in the west, just not quite there – yet.
PS I love sailing. We had a number of yachts when my family lived in Hong Kong, and my brother in law was an Olympic and World competitor in the 80’s in Bermuda.
We were invited onto his sailing partners yachts in Bermuda for an exclusive days sailing (no tourist’s – other than us), one of which was used to smuggle dissident Jews from the USSR in the 60’s/70’s. Now called Rock Steady.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7510244@N03/435359007/in/pool-rocksteadycharters/
And the other, The Spirit of Bermuda which is a training yacht for the less well privileged on the island, and sails to Europe.
http://bernews.com/2012/04/spirit-of-bermuda-to-join-newport-bermuda-race/
There is nothing quite like sailing.
(Sorry, got cut off, tried to edit my last post but was too late).